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#the type of person who is literally queer but they remind me of the girls who were like YOUR FRIEND IS A LESBIAN EW WHAT IF SHE HAS A CRUSH
mbat · 6 months
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you ever meet someone and you just know they were a school bully
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sageistrii · 2 months
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Can you please help me with understanding some points?
Today I saw a viminer that was clearly a Jimin anti and I’m so pissed that people claim to stan him just for a clout or because they believe in certain narrative that they have made up by themselves.
Their behaviour is truly hypocritical - she said Jimin has always been careful about lgbt community and v has been always loud about it - “Taehyung gifted Jimin “woman” clothes, so he started accepting himself”. But she never mentions that Jimin called out V for saying that man shouldn’t check selfies, called out members saying that he didnt get why they are so upset about wearing dresses.
But when in one ask someone said that V was being controversial about lgbt - “he called out Jimin for liking man, laughing at his attitude to Jungkook” that girl defended him🤡 like V has always been supportive more than Jimin
Tell me am I right or wrong? Do we have a masterpost about Jimin supporting lgbt or should we make one?
Ok I get this, and it's not like we can ever expect these people to paint him in a good light. The funny thing about how stans use idols or celebs in general talking about or engaging with queer media as proof that they're queer is funny because when you look at someone who's obsessed with queer media or at least wants us to think that they are, it's the straightest person ever. Enjoying a certain type of media doesn't mean you're part of that community, most times queer people engage with and consume straight media more, it doesn't make them less queer.
And I don't understand why we have to prove that Jimin supports LGBTQ.. is he getting an award for his support or does his support cause any significant change in the community?
Also if you ask the average kpop Stan who isn't an army that can't stand the idea of Tae with a woman so they try to convince themselves he's gay because he posted about a wong Kai war movie, to list 10 idols they think could be queer or idols who have helped to break gender stereotypes, Jimin will be the only BTS member on that list.
It reminds me of how armys diagnosed jk as autistic and call him "babygirl" when he would never be the first Idol anyone would think of when they hear the term "babygirl", also how years ago armys and Taehyung stans swore Tae was "unique" because he acted "weird". Everyone wants their fave to be "not like the others", stans and their neverending quest to prove that idols are queer or autistic because they think it makes them unique or because they want to see themselves so bad in the idol even if that idol is anything but.
I think we are past the era when we think someone is gay because they post about gay media. Most BL fans are literally straight women. I'm attracted to women and I consume more straight and mlm media than wlw, it doesn't change my sexuality.
A lot of people think Jimin is queer for reasons that are deeper than these.
Until a few years ago when certain BTS members discovered what the fans wanted to see and what was accepted by their international fanbase, they would literally say the most insensitive things to Jimin about his masculinity, Tae included. That man discovered that fans eat these things up and he's not looked back ever since.
Like I'm not accusing anyone of anything but I just don't think Tae is as close as he is with those wooga squad men and then he's actually queer, or that he could even push anyone to self acceptance. That's like the ultimate "bro club", they are misogynistic and I've heard homophobic too (although I don't know how true that is, I think people just say they are because they give that vibe and I get it). If he's actually queer and oh so forward thinking then being friends with people like that isn't a sign of self acceptance at all in my opinion or maybe wooga squad members are good people in private lol.
I don't think anyone should be making a post to prove that Jimin supports the queer community because he's the last idol that needs that defense.
Jimin has been subjected to homophobi* and transphobi* for years because he's always been himself but of course Tae is more progressive simply because he watched a gay Netflix movie and posted about it on Instagram 😭
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moodywyrm · 11 months
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modern au hcs i have about the salt lake crew cuz why not i felt like sharing:
abby's secretly into cosplay but she won't admit it; manny's celebrity crush is sza; nora's a "no shoes in the house person" (she almost stabbed owen when he came over for a group get-together); mel's lowkey a disney adult and its adorable (her fav film is frozen); owen and jordan are both filmbros but in different ways - owen's the annoying kind (yk the kind 🙄) while jordan is genuinely passionate about films and film history and gives fun facts during movie nights; nick makes tiktok stitches like this one https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT88SYgkG/ ; leah's one of those drunk girls who hypes up other girls in bathrooms, like she'll see a pretty black girl with gold charms in her hair and start crying cuz she's so beautiful (abby & nora had to drag her out)
this is one of the cutest asks I've ever gotten oh my god? lemme expand on your beautiful thoughts. while I have beef with the salt lake crew, I also appreciate them and I think, had we started with them, we would have all loved or tolerated them.
abby + cosplay is so full of possibility omg. I imagine it started as an appreciation for cosplayers because she thought it was super cool! and then slowly. she started doing outfits inspired by her favorite characters. and then recreations. and then next thing she knows, she's dragging Manny to comic con to be her lil protector/buddy while she dresses up as Spiderman, or Junker Queen, or Samus. she has literally had craft nights where the crew helps her work on her cosplays. mel is the best at it, helping her form foam armor pieces. owen is passable only because he has experience building and fixing shit (the boat). Jordan is laughably bad any it but he tries <3
manny's celebrity crush is Sza AND Kali Uchis. He genuinely thinks he could pull them and, honestly, maybe he could. but abby loves telling him they're out of his league (they kinda are). he has like, Pete Davidson rizz. if that makes sense.
Nora is 100% a no shoes in the house girl. it's how she was raised! her house is fucking Pristine, man, which is honestly such feat because girly is a busy ass nursing student. and you're right about Owen! shit head wears shoes inside houses WITH CARPET. I will say rn, it's pretty much impossible to not wear shoes inside the house in my place bc we have two dogs, but we have tile so it's not as bad. however with carpet? evil. vile. Owen and his nasty ass nike sneakers tried to step onto Nora's pristine cream carpet and she nearly smacked him with a pair of tongs that had just came out of hot oil. as she should. he learned, and has never tried it again (mostly because Mel reminds him every time)
Disney adult Mel!! I know Disney adults get a lot of hate, but I feel like she'd be really sweet about it. like whenever she wants to go, she offers to pay for the others food and stuff, if they can't, she always brings them little gifts. like pins and stuff, shirts, ears, plushies!! she has a special pair of mickey ears that a frozen themed, Owen got them for her on her birthday <3 (this is me taking my powers as a writer to turn Owen into an actually good partner for Mel and not a piece of shit <3). one time, Mel got Abby to disneybound Gaston and it was so cute!! she has disneybounded as Anna and she looks so cute in it <3
the filmbros. oh god. Owen is 100% the type of guy to love Quentin Tarantino films and think they're the peak of cinema, all the while hating Jennifers Body. Jordan however, king, he loves Jennifer's Body and 100% listened to Leah and Nora spend like three hours talking about the nuances of girlhood and queerness in the movie. Definitely watched and appreciated Barbie with them, even dressed up in all pink! borrowed some of Leah's clothes to do it <3 he loves channels like Dead Meat, because I feel like he especially likes horror movies? will defend the slasher genre with his life, hates torture porn movies. big fan of sleepaway camp!
I don't know much about nick but I can say this is accurate, I feel like he also does those videos reacting to weird white people recipes? like how long does it take for them to add a block of cream cheese to the crock pot, or the weird obviously fetish content ones? and he just makes this really stoic disappointed face like. fr.
drunk girl Leah!! I imagine the salt lake crew occasionally goes clubbing, and you're so fucking right about Leah. they all get kinda tipsy, but Leah takes two shots of vodka and starts falling in love with every fem presenting person in the building. gives the good compliments too. how beautiful they look in the party lights, the shine of their hair, the twinkle of their eyes, the highlighter! the outfit! is literally fawning over every fem person she sees and Jordan is just like yeah go ahead. mostly because he knows she loyal and also, she's literally just so cute. disclaimer that it's never in the like, fetishizing wlw for men, Leah literally just compliments every girl she sees ever. especially in the bathrooms! if she sees you crying, she is the first one at your side, offering to beat up whoever made you sad, holding your hand, helping you fix your makeup, the works. drunk girl Leah is a gem to humanity and there are leagues of girls out there whose nights have been saved by this drunken sweetheart. there have been. too many times where abby has had to physically throw Leah over her shoulder to get her out of the bathroom because they need to Leave and she's starting conversations with everyone who walks through the door.
this is so cute!! thank you for this ask nonnie!! and I got your ask about it being duets and not stitches <3
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wilder-and-lighter · 10 months
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crazy thought but i just saw a bunch of anti-taylor swift stuff on my dash and kinda realized people are using the excuse of her being rich and white to be misogynistic and kinda homophobic? idk like it's worth criticizing exactly how rich she is and also how a lot of her takes are kinda white feminist ones, but i think saying things like "the patron saint for bland white tasteless girls" while posting very pro-barbie stuff on your dash is really hypocritical.
even if you don't think she's excellent, barbie (2023) literally said something like "you don't have to be extraordinary to earn respect" or something.
i'm seeing this kinda gross return to misogynistic tumblr circa 2012/2013 and it's not cute. this is not to say that white women can't be criticized, or that white women have it harder than some, but it is to remind people that just because there is an aspect (or many) of privilege about a person, that doesn't give you the go-ahead to say misogynistic shit too.
also side note: the number of white people i see saying "black people don't listen to her music" is actually absurd. you should not be saying that. that is not a conversation we should be a part of, imo. whether that's true or not is not up for white people to debate jfc.
same with literally anyone saying "taylor swift is not gay people music." hate to break it to you, but an artist does not have to be gay to make gay people music. even if she is (which is not the point of this post), there are gay people who listen to her music, including queer people of color. it just means she's not YOUR type of gay people music. and that's fine! that is so totally okay!! you do you, i'll do me. but please don't be homophobic about it, even if ur queer, just because you don't like her music good GOD
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jayke0 · 8 months
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Hi ! If you’re still taking requests I would have a platonic angst with a happy ending one ? It’s okay if you don’t write this type of fic no worries 😎
For context I have daddy issues and some kind of religious trauma because : queer . SO the moon knight system as some kind of father/older brother figure to a teenage girl with she/her pronouns who they basically took under their wing ? And hear me out , reader is the perfect exemple of younger generation being raised by screens so much that she’s a pretty good hacker , maybe helps them as the guy in the chair , with an attitude as frustrating as Marc’s . Reader wants to come out to the boys first to be herself ? and to avoid Marc or Steven casually mentioning male love interest , the closet sapphic pain . But being raised in a Christian household reader kinda puts every religious person in the same bag and is terribly afraid of rejection . Maybe at some point reader is forced to get out of the closet , big angst but it ends up good . Jake just has the biggest straight guy gaydar ever .
Thank you so much and have a nice day , I love your writing !
Oh my goodness!
First of all, thankyou for reading and liking my stuff, i really really appreciate it!
Unfortunately, I'm not looking to write any long fics atm, but i still wanted to give you some platonic angst to comfort, even if it isn't the big spectacular fic you were expecting 😅. Thankyou for the request 💕.
Warnings/content: angst/venting, mentions of homophobia, mentions of religious trauma, comfort at the end 💕, platonic relationship with the boys.
You'd been sitting on the fence about coming out to your friends for months now. They'd never said anything homophobic, or even remotely horrible that would indicate any sort of hateful beliefs, but after years of mental battering and exhaustion from fighting your father, you'd come to the conclusion that you were safer in the closet.
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As you're sitting on Steven's couch, your leg bounces vigorously, making the floorboards noticeably creak and Marc eventually glance over at you. 
He does his usual 'what's up with you?' Glare as he eyes you up and down, before finally bringing over the water you'd asked for and sitting next to you.
"So, what did you wanna talk about?"
God his voice sounds so loud in your ears, echoing around your head like some kind of alarm warning you not to go through with this.
And why'd it have to be Marc fronting anyway? Literally the scariest alter of the three of them.
You audibly gulp, before slowly bringing your eyes up to meet the man's. 
"I need to- can you just-" you struggle to get your words out, "I need you to listen to everything before you say anything, please?"
Marc's expression is now oozing with worry, but he simply nods, gesturing for you to start.
A deep breath is drawn into your lungs before you just let everything go, every problem you've ever had in your past all falling from your lips like the tears that eventually start rolling down your cheeks, and once you're done, the flat goes silent, all that can be heard is Marc's slow breathing as he processes the personal information you'd just dumped on him.
In that moment, you're sure he's going to yell at you to get out, or call you the same spiteful names you'd been called before; but the silence is almost worse, it's like he's disappointed, it's completely deafening.
You can't bear the silence for a second longer, so you pull your head from your hands to try and at least get some indicator of sympathy or hate from his face.
Instead what you see is a blank expression. 
Your brows furrow for a moment, before you're reminded of when this has happened before; they're switching.
Admittedly, you feel relieved; maybe if he'd started dissociating before you'd started venting they wouldn't have heard you and you could escape the encounter? But a softer voice pulls you away from that safety.
"Oh god, sorry about that." Steven chuckles nervously and seemingly brushes himself off, as if to adjust to the body. "Didn't mean to interrupt your uhm.. moment, but I'm here now, you can continue what you were saying."
His smile is reassuring, and certainly a lot warmer than Marc's, but you still fear what he might say.
"Is Marc mad at me?" You ask, barely audible.
"What? Oh bloody hell no, of course not." Steven waves his hands frantically. "You know what he's like, "Mr Cranky can't deal with emotions so then I gotta come out and do my duty", as it were." He chuckles lightly.
You don't find it as funny.
Steven frowns and chews the inside of his cheek, reaching his hand out and tentatively taking yours. "He's a knobhead, yeah? But he isn't that much of a knobhead.." His eyes scan your face. "Thankyou for telling us, honestly I'm honoured you wanted to tell us of all people," his eyes scrunch into that sweet squint that he does, "you're safe with us, and I'm like… super bloody proud of you. Like, more proud than I was when Gus won that race against Gus Junior." 
That actually makes you laugh a little and you sniff, wiping your eyes on your jumper. You squeeze Steven's hand for a second before crashing into his body for a tight hug, which is reciprocated by the man; he's always the best hugger.
You stay curled up in his hold for a few minutes, just listening to the man's breathing to focus on anything else other than the anxiety still thrashing in your stomach.
"Jake said he's proud of you too, by the way." He smiles down at you as you look up at the man.
A smile spreads across your face and you wipe your eyes again, "thankyou, both of you… or three of you." You shrug, unsure if Marc is still there.
"Jake also said that 'he knew all along', apparently."
"Oh shut up Jake." You laugh.
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problemsleuth · 2 years
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Please it's pride month u legally have to tell us ur midnight crew and problem sleuth gay headcanons
ALKFDSJF MAN WHAT tbh i havent been thinking about them that much this much but i will do it for you buddy
edit: ok now that i'm done im actually all jazzed about ps/intermission again so thank you for this ask anon LOL i had a lot of fun getting to ramble on about stuff and have an excuse to neglect work HAHAHA
guess we'll stay topical and go with like gay awakening headcanons or related. just as a general reminder this is assuming theyre all humans since carapacians probably dont have sexualities defined
Problem Sleuth - I like the whole deal where sleuth assumed he was milquetoast straight for most of his life until he met slick and was like uh oh im bisexual arent i! i think he had other close call moments but sort of mental-gymnastics'ed himself into believing it was just admiration for their hardboiledness or like Friendly Comradery fit with all the intricate rituals to touch another man. fighting and arm over each others shoulders while drinking away at the bar sort of thing. falling in love with slick sort of hit him like a truck, injuries and all. he still sometimes grapples with old habits dying hard though. no i will not elaborate :( sorry.
Hysterical Dame - think she knew for forever she was bi, like i think she had a lot of anime ass moments back when she was in school where a lot of girls would fall for her Roguish Charms and outgoing personality and it was relatively easy for her to explore from there. very much the girl knight in shining armor sort of effect from her willingness to get into fights as well.
Pickle Inspector - wow i think he was well aware he was queer from the get-go. he always knew he was weird or whatever because of his grab bag of issues and quirks, so i think him realizing he was attracted to whoever was not really that big of a deal to him. less of a gay awakening more of a gay "oh i accidentally put an extra box of cereal in my shopping cart. ok". i think if he wasn't literally crawling out of his skin with psychosis and anxiety he would enjoy old drag culture a lot. but as it stands now its way too elbow-to-elbow social and young for him to really get into it. and he's much too busy... (excuse)
Nervous Broad - similar to Sleuth surprisingly i think she had a very late sort of deal where she had the classic "wait, you dont act this way when you see cute girl?" moment with her gal pals from uni. HD being very easy to get along with and very direct made it easy for NB to realize she was developing feelings for another woman. i think NB is very much like bi/pan (she doesnt really get or feel strongly about labels) but she has a really strong preference for femmes.
Ace Dick - apologies to ace dick likers who disagree but AD to me is like the Staple Early 1900s Man from the Adverts. he has a lovely wife who he loves so much and a rambunctious boy he plays catch with on the weekends and they sit around the radio to catch the regular mystery hour. he's aware that there's been a few men about town that he'd probably be willing to get to know more personally in another life, but he's fully satisfied with his little city-suburbia Classic Heterosexual Middle Aged Couple dynamic. so basically no salient gay awakening type moments, just in tune with himself to be aware hes probably not classically as straight as people assume him to be. i also like to joke internally that he considered sleuth one of those aforementioned "men about town" before the guy went and opened his mouth, demolishing the thought before it had even finished forming HAHAHA
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now for the midnight crew...
Spades Slick - very much has lived by the code of living dangerously, down to his partners. usually tends to be drawn to the kind of people who give the impression of someone who would not have many qualms about slitting your throat in the middle of a hookup. scarysexual. think thats why in my head he's had a few on and off moments with droog (even though truthfully, droog is a lazy stringbean of a guy, despite the outward reputation that precedes him). its for sure why he's so drawn to Snowman, even though their dynamic from start to finish has never been anything close to a healthy relationship. but they both feel it works for them, so they keep going. (i think this is why him shacking up with sleuth was such a surprise to everyone that knew him well - sleuth's soft, and worse, he's got a working moral compass. that's not slick's typical mark. but he gives as good as he gets all the same, in both fighting and fucking, so slick doesnt think twice about how he's breaking status quo. and thats how he ends up catching feelings along the way). i got off topic. tldr; slicks never really thought about his sexuality so no real gay awakening moment either. more of a whoops caught feelings moment, since that was rarer and later in life.
Diamonds Droog - WORST case of hetero posturing you'll ever encounter ever in your life. kept a lot of Tasteful Female Nudes on and around him to """""accidentally"""" let slip to ascertain YES he is SO HETEROSEXUAL. there is NO DOUBT that he LOVES WOMEN. in reality he's been painfully aware that he's into men since he was practically a teen and has worked to cover that fact as thoroughly as possible since. i like to think that contributed to how he got so good at lying. and also why he's repressed as all get out fuck and extremely extremely private about his sex life. normal relationships whomst? anyways id like to direct everyone to helen's (@jawbonejoe) catholic guilt portion of the droog headcanon corner because that basically sums up a similar idea LOL
Hearts Boxcars - he's like droog where he had his gay awakening in his teen years but he was normal about it. he's just not as obvious to clock because one of his biggest hobbies is indulging in corny romance novels which are (for the most part) hetero, is passively religious, and happens to be very courteous to women as well which paints him a little as a stereotypical southern gentleman. but no hes very much a big gay man who hopes to settle down someday right proper.
Clubs Deuce - kind of a natural airhead sort of charmer, so has naturally had a lot of people of various gender identities approach him for a date or two early on. he also doesn't see the point of saying no as long as he likes them somewhat, and boy he sure does love people! later he finds out there's nifty names for the kind of people you like to date, and they come with fun colored flags - well ain't that just swell? when he gets later into his crew involvement in his early 30's, he gets less people approaching him right off the bat for intimate socializing, and since he's not really the type to reach out himself, he kind of stagnates for a while dating-wise until he hits his middle years. then he becomes Kind Of A Dilf and gets back into the dating scene. so not so much a gay awakening either.
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im zooted atm so apologies if anything is confusing or run-on, but that's basically the 411 on my sexuality headcanons for the team and crew respectively. hope u enjoyed anon!! sorry it's long. i didnt get too much into gender stuff because to be honest, my headcanons on their gender journeys are a lot less solidified in my head. i like to go with whatever headcanons the people around me lean into, since i dont feel strongly about them. this is probably because i dont feel a strong attachment to my own gender. like if gender is a spectrum i am a mote of dust that is floating nearby. generally my defaults tend to be that PI and NB are very much genderfluid and nonbinary, slick is trans (if human - i assume that due to the nature of carapacian production, gender doesnt have the same meaning or impact as it does with humans, and therefore gender identity isnt really something that's needed for them. unless specifically they're formed and prototyped into a universe that is heavily impacted by gender, in which case they can understand it conceptually. otherwise theyre out here presenting however they want down to like re-prototyping their bodies to comfort), DMSG is intersex and identifies as a woman (whoops shes not technically team sleuth but i think about here a lot), and sonhearst likes to identify as transmasc (i like to imagine AD and WH sort of being boomers about the lingo but very much being fully supportive and loving parents about it. heart in the right place sort of comedy vibes).
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My thoughts on Endeavour ep. 3
I really love how Bright is just short and uptight and constantly a little pissed off. Like a big (hah) mood
Why do i feel like Morse is gonna royally fuck something up just bcuz of that monologue
Why is Jakes so pissy all the time are u jealous or sth????
Love how much sass Morse has up his sleeve it’s probably all the self hate and trauma or sth it’s not like i do the same…
Oh god there’s a missile
This family business seems like a dumpster fire and i feel it in my soul
Love how Bright is bragging about meeting the queen and the thing going off without a hitch and then morse sorta smugly just drops ”there’s been a murder🙃”
Bright is way too pissed about it like yeah someone died but take a breath man ik you like solid plans but chiiiillll
Damn Morse really just likes to rub his brains under Bright’s nose
Ok w h y is that worker meeting with the arab prince?? Some important person i forget but why
Morse should just stop talking to women it’s so awkward
Love how Jakes being like get u a girl *hint hint* and Morse is just so confused like that shit never occured to him love that little queer disaster
I feel like Jakes has potential to be a character i like but for now he’s just a bitch for no reason
This annoyed German scientist is a wholeass mood tho
Strange is such a good friend i love him actually
Ugh i hate this beaurocratic arms factory i genuinely couldn’t care less about your business or your disfunctional ass family
Fuck anyone who touched Brenda fuck you
I don’t even know Brenda but SA at work is not ok my brosky
SA anywhere isn’t ok for that matter
Love how nosey Morse is and the fact that it actually helps his investigations
”The union is always threatening action” good, fuck capitalism, unionize
Bright deserves a break too, he’s so responsible and works hard even if he can be a bit of a stickler
But still i want everything for him to be good
I never noticed Morse’s adorable sideburns before but i am now in love with them 🥰
He also looks like a weird mix of David Tennant and Colin Morgan
Also love the subtle ramping up of Morse’s alcoholism, you can just see him having drinks more often than the previous episodes
This post is getting way too long already
You know i really hate that mother, her energy is just so foul… but maybe it’s just my mommy issues speaking.. she reminds me of my mother waaayyy too much
God Morse is just way too awkward around people from his past
Love how Morse’s type is just someone with questionable character and a tragic backstory
That horse is so pretty i’m genuinely so jealous
Ooo damn she’s got some claws i think she’s the only one of the family i don’t despise
Poor Bright, he’s under way too much pressure
Also can i just point out i love how this show frames Morse always slightly to the side and separated to really emphasise how he doesn’t fit in or at least feels he doesn’t
Love the responsible work force manager that stopped the production immediately when there was an accident, still hate the board tho fuck em.
”You deserve more”
”Doubt that”
WHAT’S THAT MORSE?? I CAN’T HEAR YOUR DEPRESSION OVER YOUR SELF-HATE
Damn Thursday’s German is flawless
Also His history shining through the writing so effortlessly like give me that yummy yummy tragic background
Bright please lower your voice my ears can’t take it this late at night 😭
Morse please i beg of you, sort your shit out. This isn’t about anything specific just a general statement about him
God damn these powerful people and covering up the shit they create
There is criminally little interactions between Morse and Strange this episode
Morse literally just got told to sort his shit out before getting in a relationship like that’s what i said too
And he went to the pictures on his own which is just a tiny bit sad but why waste a ticket eh?
Oooo the plot thickens
Awww is Bright warming up to Morse
Then he can have two dads who constantly worry about him
He probably would need at least 3 tho
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icharchivist · 2 years
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Your reblog reminded me of the time years ago (2018? 2019?) when I saw someone on twitter say that lancelot/vane was queerbait and I just stared at my screen like that tails meme because I couldn't believe what I was reading
Oh my goddddd
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i'm so tired i swear i'm so tired of those things oh my god. oh my gooooood.
I've seen legit Queerbaitings, like, the ones that are from Markettings to the audience fooling us into watching straight shit. It's its own very nasty thing that is different from ship tease and i wish people would understand that.
I especially hate when this framing is attributed to mobage of the type of granblue because it's usually down to the DNA of the game that they're doing that. They usually can't exactly confirm stuff (unless they have to make a big story around it) because they use it also to "tease" self insert shipping with those characters.
They're trying to appeal to demographic that cares about shipping other characters together AND those who ship themselves with the characters in question.
As such i find it especially to be a bad faith critic to call it queerbaiting. Whenever you find this approach tasteful or not, it's mostly a brand of fanservice, but you're expected to know it when you interreact with it.
Queerbaiting is the cast and crew and marketting looking at you directly telling you "don't worry we'll totally give you rep those two chara especially are totally going to be rep for you" and then it never happens. like i'm thinking about the trailer for Riverdale that showed a lesbian kiss without context, so you would be intrigued, and then you watch the episode and you learn they only kissed to try to shock the audience in a staged show, and the person they did it in front of literally calls them out about how "girls kissing isn't as shocking anymore you know". and then the two girls involved in the kiss move on to flirt with guys they end up dating the rest of the show instead. Like. That's textbook Queerbaiting. It doesn't matter that this show has rep, it doesn't matter if ship are teased left and right, it doesn't even matter that they kissed for shock in the episode itself, what matters is that the promo was saying "hey, there's rep for you <3" and then you watch and you realize it's a lie.
There's a subtle line sometimes with just, implied romantic connection toward the show that is then never resolved, which imo, can count or can not count, depends really on context, but even there it gets more blurry (and it also is good to take into account that queerbaiting =/= queercoding from a place where they're not allowed by the studios to go this direction).
but for Mobage i'm really uninterested with any discussion of queerbaiting since imo it feels like people are genuinely refusing to engage with the fact the game is requesting you to interreact differently with its characters than you would watching a TV show. Not all media consumtions come to the same effort.
But also i should mention that the context of the post i reblogged is that people are now using "queerbaiting" to refer to real life people and that's genuinely horrifying, above any fandom petty discussion on it.
This post refers to the fact that the lead actor of Heartstopper, a TV show focusing a gay couple between two teens, was forcefully outed on twitter after people harrassed him for "queerbaiting" everyone by "pretending to be gay on TV while he's likely straight irl" and therefore he's.... baiting people by acting??? somehow???
Even if he was straight this attitude would be unacceptable, but what resulted was that this 19yo was so exhausted by the harassments and bullying he had to come out on twitter.
No real people owe you a coming out. No real people are queerbaiting you. Queerbaiting is a specific media framework you cannot use on people. Real life people don't gain anything by pretending to be queer. People involved in this harassments campaign better be ashamed of their behavior because this is vile.
And in general i'm really annoyed with how specific media analysis/critic framework are being used as means to specifically interreact with real life people while removed from the media analysis context. People are doing the same with Death of the Author which is annoying me to no end but that's another can of worm.
But the Queerbaiting thing is genuinely hurting people and i'm genuinely so angry at those people.
so, yeah, i say it again: i am begging people to learn what words mean. You're just diluting what useful expression mean and make them lose their impact and it is becoming exhausting.
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venting lolololol. it's a small thing but i wanna get my feelings out somewhere
someone made a playful comment about how the character arc of one of their characters is "finding a trans girl to date and being in a lesbian relationship" and it kinda just made me feel,, hurt
the character in question is someone who my character interacts with a lot, so i couldn't help but feel like "but what about my character? what about all the ways that my character, who is queer and trans, has impacted your character??? has my character not also created an important character arc to your character???"
in a way, it felt like they were unintentionally treating my character as someone whose queer identity is not impactful or meaningful because they are nonbinary/multigender/genderfuck/flux/fluid/etc.. and it also felt dismissive because like.. my character is also a trans girl. but because my character is multigender, ig this person didn't see my character as a "real" trans girl
and it also felt like they were dismissing the impact that the characters had with each other because they are not "romantic" with each other despite having an intimate relationship. im p sure it's amatonormativity that they didn't realise they were perpetuating. like.. they were treating "dating" or "romantic relationships" as a defining moment in someone's life (or in this case, it's a "character arc")
also, there's literally no reason why these two characters can't be considered to be in a "lesbian relationship" ????
which.. idk. it's literally just fictional characters. but i think all of this hurt me because it reminded me of myself and the experiences i've had with my queerness and relationships
a lot of people look at me and will categorise me as something that is "other" than a trans girl or trans boy. and they're not wrong for doing that, because i AM an "other" but i am ALSO a trans girl and a trans boy. im a lot of things at the same time, and it hurts when pieces of me are ignored
and similarly, it hurts when people dont view my relationship with them as something that is "impactful" or "important." like, why is it that "dating" is the only type of relationship that so many people consider to be worthy of keeping track of and counting? or to be considered a milestone in life? are the other relationships not important? why do i have to date you in order for you to consider me someone who has played an important role in your life? why does your character have to date someone in order to have a "character arc"?
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kaypeace21 · 3 years
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So I don't take most leaks that seriously...but let's just say IF the roller skating thing is real (it'd be an interesting because it’s a 'rebel robin' st book ref). Before I explain let me explain 1 thing first.
The movie theatre: Robin at the movie theatre talks about the lack of queer rep in film &television. And even disses films where the boy dances with a girl at a dance lol. And than states how "the Hawkins theatre is the site of the most obvious dating rituals". In the rebel robin podcast : gay Mr hauser goes on a secret date with his boyfriend who they call in code his "special friend '. Cough- Mike and Will going on a double date with lumax in s3 ( and it's often -according to Robin's coworker, steve). But jonathan mentions byler went to the movie theatre just the 2 of them in s2,as well. Suspish.
So... in the ST ‘rebel robin’ novel. THE ROLLING SKATING RINK scene is also SOOOOO GAY.
Gay robin is with her friends at a rollerblading rink. She is blindsided on a surprise date with her male friend (who she obviously only sees platonically). As she skates/holds hands with him. She sees 2 girls skating/dancing together and her chest hurts with longing to be wanting that... and thinks there must be some thing wrong with her to want to skate with pretty girls (rather than her male friend milton). Upset over her friends setting her up with her platonic male friend and her ‘confusing’ feelings. She storms off the rink to the food area- and talks to another queer coded girl , who she later dances with at a dance . When the 2 gals start talking, milton comes over and interrupts. And robin snaps at him ( she feels bad)- and she runs away as she literally thinks of Will byers . And she was so upset- she just takes the Rink’s skates with her - and uses them to rush/skate all the way home...
So... yeah roller rinks are gaaaaaay. XD Like movie theatres and byler. So I personally don't think it'd be that m*leven heavy... unless someone tries setting them up again (much to Mike's annoyance) and he gets upset -like Robin did. And than feels bad after-and storms off while thinking of Will. So even if we see m*leven bts of them at the rolling rink- lol i WOULD NOT WORRY! XD
Also let's get real... Mike rollerblading would probably be a disaster. He'd want to get out of the rink as soon as possible anyways. He does not strike me as the coordinated type XD
pages from the  ‘Rebel Robin’book- of the skating rink scene...in case ya’ll don’t believe me... XD
(Read left to right/or up to down -pages labeled 1-7 , so you don’t get confused on order of how it should be read.
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Before Robin dances with sheena- she even saw 2 boys hidden in a classroom swaying to the music. Robin dancing with Sheena at the end of the novel- symbolized her getting over her fear of being perceived as "weird" . sheena was considered strange, and  similar to Will... she  had bullies stuff mean notes in her locker. Also, robin before admitting she was gay even says "I don't get crushes". Gee who does that remind ... Will "i’m not going to fall in love " byers.
Also she finally got to dance with a girl (like she longed to at the skating rink)- which was just sooooo cute in the novel .... like so adorable and cute. Not even joking. It was such a great book to flesh out Robin, and as a queer gal (I can say Robin’s arc was relatable and handled realistically).
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some trans Jeff thoughts:
he realized he was trans in elementary school and just went fuck it I'll just start introducing myself as Jeffery and see if anyone decides to stop me (as we know, jeff winger can get away with almost anything)
he got top surgery the second he could afford it (around the same time he started at his law firm), and probably bribed someone to keep it a secret
"I'm jeff winger and i would rather look at myself naked than the women I sleep with" are the words of a man proud of his transition
he's really insecure about his fashion sense, which is why he mostly dresses like the douchey guys at his firm in the start of the show, he thought you can't go wrong with the sleazy lawyer look
he will never admit it but he feels super good about the dean hitting on him, because the dean is a (cis) guy, acknowledging that Jeff is more manly than him
i think he starts out stealth and comes out to everyone one by one, probably starting with abed because he knows abed won't judge him and will probably just see it as an interesting backstory.
abed just says it's cool and maybe worth a prequel exploring Jeff's transition, and jeff asks him to predict how all of the members of the group will react to him coming out.
abed's predictions:
britta will be over-the-top supportive and do a ton of research about trans history, probably put together a slideshow just to prove how progressive she is, and jeff will be a little bit weirded out, but also touched that she did all that for him, though he would never let her know that
shirley will be confused, because she doesn't know how someone she trusts and knows so well could be part of a group she was raised to hate, but ultimately realizes that there's nothing actually against the lgbtq people in the bible, and, as a cool character development arch, starts to advocate against use of the bible to justify bigotry
troy will just think it over and decide that Jeff's physique and coolness are even awesomer knowing how much work he'd had to put in to be like that, and respects Jeff's manliness even more
annie will give him a hug, say something sweet about how she'll always love him, and worry about his health, because even she read somewhere that taking testosterone makes you more likely to have a heart attack, jeff will explain that the risk is still only as high a cis guy, and she'll be the one to always remind him to take his shots
peirce will say at best say "jeff winger used to be a chick?" and at worst call him a slur, either way there's sure to be a lot of misgendering from him, and pestering to know Jeff's deadname (needless to say, Jeff just doesn't tell peirce)
the whole group goes out of their way to keep their beach trips a secret from pierce (the girls don't want him there anyways, he's too liable to be creepy) even though jeff knows that even if pierce saw his scars, all he would have to do is make up a story about some childhood accident and pierce would never question it
sorry this ended up being super long. can I hear some of your headcanons for him?
YES ALL THIS!!! yes yes i’m fully accepting this as canon oh my god
i’m about to type a whole ass ESSAY at midnight because i have been DYING to talk about this for months ajfdksljk,,, this is going to be obscenely long and i might end up adding even more to it as i continue to rewatch the show because there is truly no shortage of trans jeff content (especially when you’re trans and see transness in every little thing ajdkslfkjs)
spoiler warning for literally everything about this show under the cut <3
i 100% agree, i feel like he realized he was trans super young, especially since in the show we see him as a little kid a couple of times. 
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like look at little jeff with the oversized sweatshirt and little ponytail!! that’s childhood trans fashion. not to be dramatic but part of me thinks that jeff’s dad left before he fully came out to his family (which gives him even more angst about it, because until that one Thanksgiving episode, he’s never able to prove to his dad that he’s a better man), but part of me thinks that his dad left after he came out (which adds that spicy i-should-have-stayed-in-the-closet guilt that he has to work through). 
either way, because his dad wasn’t there, he had to base his concept of masculinity on something else, which was becoming a lawyer!! there’s some line that’s like “after the dust and divorce papers were settled the only man i looked up to was [the lawyer guy]”. like, replacing your father figure in your mind with the concept of “a job where you can talk your way in and out of anything and distort other people’s concept of reality”? that’s trans.
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 and the fucking THANKSGIVING EPISODE... i struggle to watch it without crying hehe <3 yeowch! the dichotomy of willy jr. being the “wrong” kind of man because he’s “too soft” but jeff also not being enough despite adhering to all the social standards of masculinity... fuck!! this whole scene of him telling his dad “i am Not well adjusted” and talking about how he gave himself an “appendix surgery scar” when he was a kid and he still keeps the get-well-soon letters from his classmates under his bed? oh my god. the implication of people loving him not despite his scars but because of them?? trans. i can’t think about this episode for too long or i’ll start yelling.
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OH and this scene? where he talks about how his mom got him a girl costume for halloween?? and everyone said “what a cute little girl” and after a few houses he stopped correcting them?? and “once the shame and the fear wore off, i was just glad they thought i was pretty”?? THAT’S TRANS... the man needs validation oh my god... and then in all the halloween episodes we see he has these ultra-masculine costumes (a cowboy, David Beckham, one of the fast and furious guys even though he never watched the movies, a boxer with his DAD’S boxing gloves... god) costumes are about becoming something else and he always chooses to be hypermasculine and that is trans.
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THE PHYSICAL EDUCATION EPISODE!!!!!!! being uncomfortable during P.E. is a queer experience. period. but him being specifically uncomfortable in the clothes someone else is assigning to him? trans. “are we gonna talk about clothes like a girl? or use tapered sticks to hit balls around a cushioned mat like a man?” TRANS. and him eventually stripping in public? celebration of transness. and the fact that he eventually becomes comfortable in both the uniform and his own style!! trans!! god i love this episode. 
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AND AND AND!!! the gay dean coming out episode!!! where it’s the three of them discussing the best way for the dean to come out as gay despite not entirely identifying with that label!! so we have both frankie and the dean who are sort of ambiguously queer, and jeff who’s a stealth trans man who’s probably only out to only the study group at this point. this scene where the dean and jeff have this like eyebrow communication while frankie is talking is just so cute. queer-to-queer communication. “I am so curious” “oh?” “intellectually.” “oh...” ajfdksljfk this scene just screams high school GSA to me and i love it so much.
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and SPEAKING of the dean!! i totally see you on that. i feel like jeff has some internalized homophobia/biphobia (like he’d throw punches over someone else, but when it comes to himself he has a lot of shame). and also seeing the dean so confident in all his different outfits/costumes has a weird affect on him bc it’s like “okay, the dean, a cis guy, can do that, but i as a trans guy could Not because that’s Breaking the Rules”. which, like, throwback to the halloween thing. of course there’s no right way to be masculine, but mr. winger does not know that.
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another thing!! the episode where their emails get leaked? that includes his emails with his therapist. fuck!! he was outed to the whole world in that episode!! no wonder he was so fucking angry!! this whole episode (and really any time he mentions his therapist) is so interesting when you think about them as a person he talks to about his transition. OH which adds to the thing with the dean!! “and you told your therapist you wanted to be alone this weekend” and “not you jeff, i know you’ll be visiting your dad” ”I told you to stop reading my emails”. luckily his study group has his back and just makes fun of him for emailing astronauts lmao
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and WHO can forget “they’re giving out an award for most handsome young man!!!!” what else is there to say about this line besides: he’s trans. you know he didn’t get awarded enough for being a handsome young man when he was a kid, and no amount of compliments when he’s fully-grown can really make up for that. some people crash a kid’s bar mitzvah to cope with the fact that they struggled to be seen as themselves when they were a teenager <3
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also his weird relationship with pierce? where he kind of hates him (understandably lmao) but at times has this almost-friends-almost-father-son relationship with him? especially in this episode where he’s forced to bond with him and ends up having a good time by accident (at a barber shop no less, the perfect place to Be A Man with your Man Friend). idk what to say about him besides the fact that pierce says his mom wanted a girl when he was born and made him dress like a girl (and his middle name is anastasia!) so if they’re gonna do any bonding over transness it’s gonna be that. 
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okay one last thing and then i’ll shut up for the night. this episode kills me (and almost kills jeff hahahahelpi’mcrying). it’s a very Trans thing to not be able to visualize your future self, it just is. growing up trans at the time he did? i don’t know what kind of future he saw for himself, but i’m so happy that he ended up with a group of friends who became his family and love him the way they all do. i’m so emotional over this asshole it’s ridiculous. 
in conclusion:
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they’re trans, your honor <3
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they-callme-ami · 3 years
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Gender and Sexuality headcannons for Infinity Train passangers and Hazel. 
(I’ll make a seperate posts for just the photos but if you want to read about the why behind them, click down below for more)
Tulip Olsen:
Gender wise, I think Tulip is a demigirl. The definition (according to google) is "A gender identity term for someone who was assigned female at birth but does not fully identify with being a woman, socially or mentally." For some reason, while I was doing this--it just felt like Tulip. She identifies as a girl, uses the pronouns and seems happy as one--but she seems like the kind of person to not really fit with other women in a certain way, if that makes sense.
Sexuality wise, I'll be honest. I think Tulip is an aromantic. And I don't just mean because she never had a potential love interest or human friend on the train. Her little road trip song? "No romance, no romance, no romance for me mamma." Plus, check the colors match, I rest my case.
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Lake:
Okay this one is easy and I don't even think there will be any arguments or debate about this one. The evidence is all there. Cutting off hair, wearing more masculine/androgynous clothing, wanting to be your own person, changing their name to a NOUN to signify their new life, not wanting to be put into boxes? Lake is a she/her and they/them (mostly the later after escaping the train) non-binary and pansexual. It's just the facts.
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Jesse Casay:
For Jesse, I believe that he is trans. Why? Most of book 2 was about Lake's journey to discover who they are and get off the train, but Jesse was still their because of his own lessons he had to learn. He was a people pleaser and never stood up for himself and did what he thought would make people like him more. He also makes his little brother partake in his 'friends' ritual of a 'manhood test' where they shove him down a hill and he breaks his arm--it feels like he was in a way, overcompensating. It seems like he's such a people pleaser and conformist because he doesn't want to give others a chance to dismiss him for who he is.
I also think he is pansexual. No deep meaning--I just honest to god think he truly does like EVERYONE.
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Grace Monroe:
Her parents didn't seem like the type to pay attention to their daughter already, and give off 'rich black republican' energy which clues me in on 2 things.
Her parents would not care enough to use Grace's pronouns if she were trans, so I do believe she is cisgender.
Her parents wouldn't even notice that she's a lesbian, and if they did she definitely wasn't allowed to act on those feelings. Probably why she has a hard time interacting with other girls her age and why she sees Simon as just a friend, despite all the tools there for them to have been together.
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Simon Laurent:
Look this isn't even me doing the whole 'haha, the bad guy is the cishet, cis-het white men are icky' thing. Literally, name one thing about Simon that could be queer-coded. You could argue he was deep DEEP in the closet I guess--but I just got straight and cisgender vibes from him.
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Hazel:
Now stay with me on this one. Stay with me here. This is not because Hazel is a denizen. But I believe Hazel is an intersex child that uses she/her pronouns is aromantic. Hazel is only 6 (or so she says) and it's a bit hard to argue sexuality for someone who's both very young and probably hasn't even had their first crush yet. But gender wise--I think intersex works. Not only does Hazel remind me of Stevonnie (a cannon intersex character) but her whole character is her trying to figure out 'what' she is and how she doesn't completley belong anywhere. She was most comfortable with Tuba, another denizen like her, but even Hazel was 'different' from her and was caught between 2 worlds--and she didn't want to choose. She's just Hazel.
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Amelia Hughes:
Super easy here. Amelia gives off bi-wife energy and distinguished bi energy where ever she goes. She just--I can't explain it but she isn't straight for sure. You could argue she leans closer to men because of marrying Alrick but proposing to a man during that time period?? Not the traditional cis-het womanly thing to do. Also--come on. Y'all know. Y'all KNOW.
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Min-Gi Park:
Book 4 was just "this is for the mlm" personified. Book 2 was for the trans/enby folk, but book 4 was for the gays. Min-Gi is the personification of 'in the closet but in love with my best friend' to the 9's. The reason he gets off the train is because he finally accepts that he doesn't want to fit the status quo, he wants to be with Ryan and outright says he won't LEAVE the train without Ryan--who was currently still at 202-- while he was at 0. That is the GAYEST shit I ever saw. He's def not out to anyone yet, but he checks off those boxes alright.
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Ryan Akagi:
Do I need to explain?? Do I REALLY need to explain? I will. Ryan is a neurodivergent, rocker teen who drives a van across the country in the 80's and wants his childhood best friend to come back and reform their band. He uses the t-shirt said best friend made for him as a headband and keeps it for years after they spilt apart. He has a rockin fashion sense, definitely loves the ladies (he unironically flirted with a cat and had multiple girlfriends) but also is in love with his best friend. Hell--he FITS the red-blue soulmate trope--he is literally a rebel without a cause and doesn't seem to fit anywhere but with his best friend and band partner--
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Ladies and Gentleman, Ryan Akagi is a disaster bisexual enby that uses he/him and they/them pronouns, thanks for coming to my fuckin' Ted Talk.
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HIII, I would like to request a matchup, IM REALLY EXCITED TO SEE WHAT YOULL CHOSE!
Ok so I’m queer and genderfluid and my pronouns are he/she, I’m an April aries and INTP, 5’6 and a Hufflepuff :)
My personality is loud and a bit annoying but I can also be very quiet and blunt, I’m not very logical and Im very oblivious as I have been told, I can be mean to my friends but I often overthink that I’ve gone to far and then I ask them if I’ve made them uncomfortable lol, some of my top kins would be hinata, Kenna, and oikawa. I don’t really say that I don’t like people and I’m a relatively easy person to get along with. I love to encourage my friends and be there when they need me. I am happy almost all the time and i always can’t stop smiling even at stupid things. I laugh really easily too.
I really just wear anything I look good in. I’m a confident person and if I look good I’ll say it. I have lightish brown curly hair like 3b and fair/oliveish skin, dark brown eyes and freckles.
I really like cats, I have 2 boy twins and an adorable but mean kitten. I like music, anime and movies. I love drawing and art. I also am athletic, I’ve made varsity track and cross country in Highschool freshman year and softball in sophomore year.
I don’t really like children and sweating even tho I do sports, I don’t like getting told what to do and not do and people who are disgusting or have no understanding of wanting to be alone.
I guess for my ideal type would be someone who won’t depend on me to hang out with them everyday and not too clingy, I like being the taller one in the relationship but tall people are ok too, I would prefer someone will a decent fashion sense and will tell me when I’m being too much or too rude or blunt. Also someone who will give me a challenge and won’t push over all time.
a/n: hey anon! ty so much for being patient, i hope you’re still around my love!! enjoy!!
DIAMOND NO ACE
narumiya mei
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the first narumiya matchup! let me explain! although narumiya is a bit egotistical, pessimistic, and hard on himself since he centres his life around baseball, your positive and happy demeanour constantly reminds him that everything will be okay, as long as you’re by his side. he loves making stupid jokes because he knows you’ll laugh at the, and it makes him fall in love with you even more. your confidence turns him on, like he’s always thinking “mhm, yup, that’s my girl.” will literally boast about you to itsuki while they’re practicing. he loves that you’re so athletic as well, so he often begs you to jog with him early in the morning. if you’re too tired, he’ll stop by to pick you up and walk you to school. unfortunately narumiya is clingy, like a baby. his love language is physical touch, so he always wants to be near you. despite his himbo-like nature, he knows that’s not possible, so realistically you guys don’t hang out everyday because of his duties and yours. but when you guys are together, expect a baby instead of a man. narumiya knows he’s pretty, so his fashion sense follows along with that. he won’t ever push you around as long as you voice out your boundaries. overall, this relationship is hectic and chaotic, but also full of love. 
KUROKO NO BASKET
kise ryouta
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next up we have kise! kise’s personality reflects yours; cheerful, happy, outgoing, literally the sun in human form. kise’s the type of person to confront you when you go too far with your teasing. nothing too mean, just a little “that hurt a little,” and honestly it helps you both set your boundaries. he loves how he can count on you and rely on you; it’s hard being a GOM member and a popular model, and he’s glad that you’re there even when he isn’t for you. but don’t be too sad! he makes it up to you every single time. he sends you flowers every week to remind you he’s always thinking of you and that he’ll hold you soon. he loves your confidence, and honestly he’s grateful because that means you can take care of yourself. often, he wants to plan out your fits, and then you’ll plan his. sometimes it’s matching (let’s be real, it’s most of the time) and your couple outfits end up front-cover of fashion magazines. you both are literally fashion icons. this leads to the fact that kise cannot hang out with you everyday, but still makes your relationship worthwhile.
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disclaimer: i am not accepting any more matchups— i am merely clearing out my inbox for those who have sent their matchup requests before the due date.
**✿❀reblogs and likes are appreciated❀✿**
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Hi friend. Thank you so much for your offer!!!! I am torn because I would honestly love a rundown of the vlamburn live, but I again don’t want you to put yourself out too much. Knowing you even spent an hour on the Vlamis one makes me feel bad!!! Maybe if you get bored haha, I would love it but please please don’t put yourself out and please also take as much time as you want, no hurry at all IF you decide to do it. Thank you again for everything 💗💗
Okay, nonnie, this took a tad longer to transcribe, but it’s done, now.
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Putting the transcript behind a READMORE bc it got quite long. Hope this will help you (and maybe others, too). Sending much love your way, and I hope you get to watch the live. Happy Sunday! ❤️
Vlamis: *goes live* *opens can of Mountain Dew* “I’m gonna thirst my quench. Because I am thirsty for Malex. That’s what I’m thirsty for.”
“Where you at Tyler” (waiting for Tyler to request him)
Vlamis notices a few of his friends have joined the live (a girl who gave him his first hug in 6th grade, and Parker Seaman, famously responsible for pranking with SunBum)
“What’s up, Vlambase?” Makes sure to differentiate between *the* Vlambase (that’s us) and Vlambase (the merch company).
*spots Jeanine in the chat* “Jeanine’s the Real Vlam. We had fun shooting together today. They said they needed to get better focus on Vlam, and nobody knew which one they were talking about because Jeanine and I had a scene together.”
“Tyler? Guys, does anyone see him? Get in here, Tyler.” *looks straight into the camera*
“Oh, he requested, there he is.” *keeps walking around his house until Tyler pops up on screen eventually*
V “Ohhhhh, there he is!”
T “I was listening to you saying ‘where is he?’ And I was like ‘I’m here, I’ve requested you already’.”
V “A lot of people requesting. You’re very popular.”
T “Yeah, that’s why.”
Both zoom in on the merch they’re wearing. Vlamis the black MALEX hoodie, Tyler the black COSMIC hoodie. Tyler’s also wearing a MALEX hat tho.
V “Whose handwriting do you like better?”
T “Honestly, yours reminds me of the writing from FRIENDS, the show, FRIENDS.”
V “That’s right, you told me that before. I love that.”
T “I don’t really have a favorite. I think we’re unique in our own way.”
V “I like yours.”
T “You do?”
V “Yeah, like it’s prettier, dude.” *drinks more Mountain Dew
T “No, yours is nice.” *nods to show the MALEX hat* “That’s yours, right?”
V “Yeah, that’s me.”
Vlamis explains, that they both tried different versions of MALEX and COSMIC in their respective handwriting and ultimately settled on what’s been released (with the help of Jesa).
V “3 minutes in, do we have enough people? Oh, lots of friends here.”
T “Jeanine!”
V “We love you, Jeanine!”
V “Oh, Tanner’s up in here. What up, Tanner? Big brother Greg!”
T “Big brother Greg?”
V “Yeah, Tanner’s in there.”
T “All the hearts. Oh yeah, Tanner, my buddy! I thought that was one of your friends from Chi-town”
V “[girl who hugged Vlamis in 6th grade] she says ‘love me some Tyler’ She’s getting in there.”
Vlamis says they have a list of questions, and they want to answer some of them before they talk about anything else.
V “Sounds good?”
T “Hell yeah .”
“Each of you, describe S3 Malex in one word”
T “You go first.”
V “I’m scared to go first.” *another sip of Mountain Dew*
T *perks up* “You’re literally drinking Mountain Dew right now?”
V *cracks up*
T “You remember what I said about your health? And I was like ‘you don’t really drink that shit.’ And you were like *impersonates Vlamis* ’no, no, no’”
V *cracks up some more* “You thought I just got it for the photoshoot.”
T “Yeah.”
V *drinks more Mountain Dew*
T “That’s disgusting!”
V “I know, dude.” *laughs* “You’re like a health freak. But man, it’s diet. It’s diet.”
T *mock relieved* “Oh, good.”
Back to answering questions.
T “So, S3 Malex.”
V “The reason it’s hard is because we only know up to episode 3x06 as of right now. So we don’t even know fully S3 Malex.”
T “Exactly, yeah. I mean, thus far, I would sayyyyy— tension.”
V “Woooow. Okay. I agree. You know what I’m gonna say?”
T “What?”
V “With the tension, I think there’s a hopefulness. So I would say hopeful.”
T *ponders* “Okay. Okay. Now is that you talking about your feelings about Malex?”
V *laughs*
T “Like you’re hopeful?”
V “Yeah, dude. Sometimes I feel bad like just being so about Malex. But— give me Malex or give me death, man. I love Malex.”
T “Hell yeah. I think we’ve gotten some great scenes and then people really respond to them whether they are themselves queer or not and it’s like. If you can speak to people universally like that? That’s incredible.”
V “Yeah, dude. Speaking of that. I think it’s important that we tell everyone… Usually we don’t— I don’t know, guys, if you’ve been paying attention to it in previous drops but we always donated a percentage of our proceeds to a charity. We don’t really announce that because we do that not to tell you guys what we’re doing but because we like to do it. But this drop specifically, it’s important because we’re donating to one of our favorite ones. And I know you’ve worked with them in the past before. So yes, it’s going to be the Trevor Project.”
T “Yeah.”
V “—for this specific drop. They have no idea, it’s not an official partnership or anything but that’s—“
T “That’s our plan.”
V “Yeah, that’s what we’re gonna do.”
They’re moving on to the next question.”
V “What has been our favorite part about putting this merch drop together and whose idea was it?”
T “It was yours.”
V “I think it was Jesa Joy’s idea.”
T “It was Jesa Joy, but between the two of us, it was you coming to me.You and Jesa. Because you’ve been like killing it with all the Vlambase merch and stuff. So it was kind of like the next best thing.”
V “Duuuuude, you— you’re an inspiration for a lot of things, man. A lot of things that I do and Roswell, and like clearly even before this drop with Boys Will Be Boys or just any of these other designs. So this is something we’ve been wanting to do for a long time. Jesa Joy has been wanting to work with you since… I think you commented on a vintage t-shirt she was wearing at a premiere of yours like six years ago. She was like wearing a Nirvana vintage tee and you complimented her on it.”
T “Wait, why is it that this is the first time I’m hearing this story?”
V “I think… I don’t know.”
T “You never told me this.”
V “She probably asked me not to because she’s probably very embarrassed.”
T “No, I love that story! So I commented on a vintage Nirvana shirt.”
V “One of her shirts from her company Blank Clo.”
T “And she was wearing it?”
V “And now you’re making merch with her which is just so sick.”
T “Honestly, she’s truly just the best.”
V “She is a beast. I don’t know how. She doesn’t sleep. I bought her a Nespresso machine for Christmas to keep her—.”
T “You’re enabling her!”
V “I have to, man, someone’s gonna get the work done!”
Both laughing.
V “But yeah, I think my favorite part’s just been working with you, collaborating with an outsider. It’s always me and Jesa so working with you, doing feedback and then probably because we’ve spent so little time with each other - or anyone - during this pandemic, I would say the photoshoot was… We don’t do that anymore, you know.”
T “I know. No, I know. That really was fun. And I just feel like it’s actually kinda— my favorite part is like more general. You and I have been working together as actors but it was fun to work on like a different kind of creative endeavor together, you know what I mean.”
V “Yeah, definitely.”
T “Going back and forth about like colors and like what kind of writing should be on this merch and what about this photo, and you hearing a lot of like ‘no, I have three chins in that photo, so you’re not gonna use that one, buddy.’”
V *cracks up*
V “Nah, dude, you look beautiful, man.You always look good.”
V *pretends to getting hot, fans himself*
V “Jesus, man, every time I talk to you I just get a little worked up. I gotta—“
V *takes off black MALEX hoodie, reveals pink MANESQUEEZE hoodie underneath*
T *laughs and shakes head* “I hate you.”
V “It’s true, I get so hot and— oh, I didn’t realize I have more merch on. I get so hot and bothered every time I’m talking to you.”
T *laughs* “It’s not that cold here. It’s only like 40F(4C) degrees here and you have layers and layer and layers.”
V “Well, the heat’s out, man, the heat’s out, you know.”
T “Oh, in your house? Nice.”
V “No, no, no, it’s not out, dude. You’re just that hot.”
T “Aurora!”
V “Oh, Aurora’s here!”
T *reads from chat* “Malex forever. Tyler’s handwriting!”
T “She likes it better? Is that what she’s saying?”
V “Yeah, she’s a fan.”
T “She’s gem.”
V “She watches Roswell for you to be honest.”
T *laughs*
V “Which is a little weird but that’s fine.”
Next question is also about the merch making process, and they decide they’ve answered that.
V “The collaboration of it all.”
T “Yeah.”
V “What did you say?”
T “I said yeah.”
V “You blowing me a kiss?”
T *cracks up* “No!” *giggles*
V “Man, I’m seeing things that I wanna see. 
Next question “What is your favorite thing about each other?” from a fan from Argentina. 
“I went to Argentina last year. Well, 2019. Big fan.”
T “I’ve never been, I really wanna go.”
V “Oh, you’d love it, dude. Good steak, good wine.”
T “Hell yeah.”
V “It’s all you need. It’s all you need.”
V “Okay, favorite thing about each other? Do you wanna go first or should I?”
T “Ooooooh, that’s a tough one. There’s not a lot to like.” *cracks up* “No, I’m just kidding.”
V “Yeah, right, dude.”
T “No, honestly, I feel like I’ve said this before, actually, in like actual interviews and stuff. But I think like you’re very multi-dimensional. I feel like you can get along with any type of person but it all comes from a very genuine place, and I think that— it’s very familiar and comforting, I think you’re like a really well-rounded guy who’s in touch with every emotion in a very healthy way. In a good way, you know.”
V “I really appreciate that, man. That means a lot to me. I definitely pride myself on being able to connect with people and I enjoy meeting all sorts of different people. Sometimes to the point where I’m like… I feel like we’re so quickly to judge people nowadays. And don’t get me wrong, I judge, too, it’s hard not to. You look at something and you have preconceived ideas, but staying open through the process to meeting them and getting to know them, that’s something else. And the more as I get older, I realize that, dude, like we all have a ton of faults. So we got to be open with that person even though they may believe something that we don’t like. There’s like fifty other things you might like about them, you know?”
T “Totally.”
V “So that’s—“
T “Absolutely. I mean, you don’t have to like everything a person to *like* them, do you know what I mean?”
V “Yeah.”
T “And I feel like, the things that we don’t like in other people, are usually things that remind us of the things we don’t like about ourselves. So, in a way it’s like a mirror, you have to kind of look at that.”
V “Dude, yes. So, I will say two things I love most about you. I would say number one: your openness. And that goes with: you always say what you’re thinking - at least to me, right?”
T *nods*
V “Like, you always say what you think, you always say what you feel. And I think that goes along with how much of an empath you are. I mean, dude, I’ve said that before but that’s why some of our scenes are my most favorite is because one of the most easiest people I’ve ever worked with. Dude, I look inside you, I know you’re *genuine*, man. And that comes with you being open and available. And, I don’t know if a lot of people know it, they must, but—“
T “I’m nervous.”
V “You have a sick, twisted sense of humor, just like me!”
They’re both cracking up.
V “A lot of people might not know that.”
T “I accept that, I accept that. I do feel though that you bring it out in me. I feel like we can just “bro down” a little bit. As lame as that is to say. You bring it out in me. It’s obviously there, not everybody sees it, but you can bring it out in me.”
V “There’s nothing wrong with a little bro-ing down, dude, we’re not that pretentious where you can’t be a little bit of a bro.”
T “Nah.” *changes topic* “Ashley Benson just did these hands [in the chat].”
V “Wow, is she trying to come for our love right now?”
T “Probably. But dude, our love was first. Haleb was first before Malex. So step down.”
V “You can never beat a first love. So—“ *raises Mountain Dew can* “Ashley, this Mountain Dew’s to you. *guzzles down fluid toxic waste* “Thanks for joining!”
T *smiles* “Yeah. I love you, Ashley. Miss you.”
V “Okay, so one more question. Oh, this is a good one. From aimz_623, what up, aimz... Oh, I know who this is! Because I did a meet & greet last year with her, and she was hammered at like 11 in the morning in Australia.”
T *cracks up*
V “Drinking like a blue slurpy drink. It was awesome! Okay, she said ‘Are the meet & greets joint or individual?’”
Neither says anything for a moment, waiting for the other to talk. Vlamis breaks first.
“Well, joint!”
*both cracking up*
T “I was like ‘am I gonna answer that?’ Yes, they are joint. We’re gonna be together.”
V *nods* “We’re gonna be together.”
T “Not even like this [in two separate places like during the IG live]. We’re gonna be in person together in the same room.”
V “You’re gonna be next to me in bed. Oh, well, next to me.”
T “Yeah, yeah. In the bathtub.”
V *cracks up* “In the bathtub. No mask?”
T “With mask, but that’s it.”
V “You like it with the mask?”
T “We’re gonna do mask and nothing else.”
V *cracks up*
T 😏
V “See, dude, you are sick!”
T “Maybe a few rubber duckies to hide some things.”
V “Dude, all this talking, man.I’m just so hot.” *takes off pink MANESQUEEZE sweater, he’s wearing the MALEX FOREVER t-shirt underneath* “Sorry about that.”
T “I just want everybody to know that he told me he was going to do this shtick.”
V *doubles over laughing*
T “I just want everybody to know that this is pre-planned. He’s a great actor but he just wants to show off as much merch in one live as possible.”
V “Sorry, dude. You know how it goes.” *pretends to take off t-shirt* No, no more!”
T “Nooo!”
V “I can’t put anything else under here. Oh guys, I’ve been messing around with one of our MALEX LOVE INTENTION candles. I’ve been messing with people and how it smells on Twitter, saying that it smells like vanilla bean and just basically you, and your body, you know.”
T “Me?”
V “Yeah, and your armpits. But what it really smells like is crème brûlée with a hint of jasmine.”
T “So, my body. 😏”
V “Basically your body. After a good wash, dude. Not my body. My body’s disgusting.”
T “You have a good smell, actually, I’ve told you this before. You have a good smell, and I don’t know if it’s like the shampoo you use, it’s *something*. But there’s like a natural— like, I’ve never smelled that on anybody else, and I don’t know what it is. But you do have a good smell.”
V while Tyler’s talking: 😊
V “You mean it’s good?”
T “Yeah! Yes, absolutely.”
V “My guy, dude.”
T “You never even had bad breath during kissing scenes in the past, I don’t understand. You look homeless a lot, but you like you don’t smell it.”
V “My character is homeless, basically.”
T “Yeah, he is. He’s literally always dirty. Physically dirty.”
V “One time I ate like a chicken salad before one of those scenes and then we had to do a quick scrub but most of the time we’re pretty good.”
T “Oh yeah, but we put a mint or some shit like that in the mouth.”
V “Remember when I was doing keto, though, and I was eating all the bagged tuna?”
T “First of all, never talk about that again. That was disgusting.”
V *cracks up*
T “That was disgusting. You ate *bagged* tuna.”
V “Yeah, that was messed up, man.”
T “My doctor told me that tuna has the highest level of mercury in it and we shouldn’t eat it.”
V “Well, that’s what— I mean. Jeremy Piven, I heard he got mercury poison one time, from eating too much sushi.”
T “Probably.”
V “Too much tuna, man. If you wanna be like Jeremy Piven, eat a lot of tuna, guys.”
T “Hell yeah.”
V “No, nobody wants to be like… Anyway. So, another question. Do the sweatpants have pockets? Believe it or not, this is very hard.”
T “Hi, Carly! My cousin Carly just came on. Remember, you met her on set that one time. ”
V “Oh, she came and visited.”
T “Yeah, she just said hi.”
V “When your mom was in town, too.”
T “Yeah, yeah, yeah.”
V *waves at camera* “Hi, Carly!”
T “Was that last year? Yeah, that was last year. Anyway, sorry. Sweatpants!”
V “No, no, it’s good. We have to say hi to the people that support us. I appreciate that. But no, sweatpants, do they have pockets.”
*explains why it’s hard (and expensive) to offer sweatpants with pockets, so sweatpants from this drop don’t have pockets, but they’re working on offering that in the future*
T “But like a lot of these sweatshirts have pockets. Like this has—” *shows his COSMIC hoodie’s front pocket*
V “Oh yeah, we got those. One hundred percent. And there’s a big mix and everything. Uhm, also because it’s a pandemic, it’s a lot of the colors, the sizes, they’re so hard to find. And normally, we don’t really buy—in the past, we hadn’t bought a lot of merch upfront, we waited to see what kind of things you guys ordered and liked and then we made our orders. Now, I’ve been putting money upfront to purchase merch, that’s why stuff’s selling out so quickly. So a lot of it is really “limited edition”. So tomorrow at 10.30am PST when it launches, if you want something, grab it, because it might go quickly, and I’ll feel bad, if you don’t get it. Okay, and the last thing, this isn’t even a question, I just have a note for it because I’m excited about it. Everyone who’s ordered before knows that the first hundred who order, always get a little surprise in their package. And this time, it’s a picture, a Polaroid of us, and we will both be signing it. Isn’t that right?” 
T “We will.”
V “I’ll have a lot of them and put them up in my trailer, around the candle.”
T *cracks up*
V “It’s gonna be real nice.😏” 
T “Yeah.”
V “Okay, what do you think. Should we tell everyone how they can win a meet & greet?”
T “Yeah.”
V “I don’t think we missed anything, right? I think we did it all.” *guzzles last sip of Mountain Dew*
T *ponders* “Yeah, I think we did. I think we’re good.”
V “Okay, meet & greet time, guys.” 
Vlamis explains how people can win a meet & greet. Find a pic on the Vlambase account and a comment that says “Meet & Greet” and the first person to reply to that comment with the name of the band and the song that was playing during Malex’s first kiss at the UFO Emporium in 1x06 wins.
V “[The song] It’s a favorite one of mine.”
T “Oh, it’s so good!”
V “So good!”
T “So nostalgic for me, too.”
V “A hundred percent, man. I actually just watched that scene right before we jumped on here. Is that strange that I watch scenes of us all the time?”
T “I got to go.”
*both cracking up*
V “Ashley, you still here?”
T “Yeah, I gotta hit up Ashley. No, it’s not, I think it’s cute. It’s cute and that’s sweet.”
V “My guy, dude.”
T “So, that was kind of a lengthy scavenger hunt [for the meet & greet].” *explains once more how to win a m&g* 
T “We’ve been on this for a while now, and we still have over a thousand people here.”
V “I know, it’s really cool. That’s definitely the most people I’ve ever spoken to live.”
T *laughs*
V “I think so.”
T “Maybe.”
V “Find the photo, find the Vlambase comment. You’ll know the comment when you see it, you have to search through. Comment, name the band, and then name the song that played during Malex’s first museum kiss. We were so nervous, dude.”
T “🤨”
V “We were so young.”
T “Oh, you mean in real life or in the show?”
V “In the show.”
T “Oh yeah. That was fun, though. That was fun bringing up those emotions, though.”
V “Sometimes I can’t tell the difference between real life and the show.”
T “I know. We’re just *that* method.”
V *cracks up*
V “Dude, so, yeah, 10.30am PST tomorrow. michaelvlamis.com, everything’s going to be live. If you guys have any other questions, I don’t know.”
T “I’m also gonna have the link in my bio of my instagram.”
V “Oh yes, I will do that, too. I always have it in there, though. I’m a narcissist.”
T *laughs*
V “So, anyway, people are saying “I’m confused”. No, they’re not. I think people understood.”
T “Someone else says “what does the comment say”?”
V “The comment says “Meet & Greet”.”
T “And that’s all that it says? Just “Meet & Greet”?”
V “And it says “Be the first to reply”.”
T “Oh, okay.”
V “So, you have to reply directly to that comment, and you got to say the name of the band, name of the song playing during Malex’s first kiss in the museum. Find the comment on one of the random pictures of clothing that was posted today on the vlambase instagram.”
T “We couldn’t let you guys get off easy, you know.”
V “Oh my god, the other vlambase account just said it’s already answered.”
T “😮”
V “So, it’s over guys, sorry. Aww, littlecupcake just said “I lost already.” Sorry, littlecupcake.”
T “Is that someone you know?”
V “No, but I know littlecupcake because I did a live once, and she tried to request to come in and talk to me, and it said that for everyone else who’s seen her screen it said that she was waiting for me to accept but on my screen it wasn’t showing up, so I feel bad about littlecupcake.”
T “Well, we shouted her out big time. Are we sure it’s a she? Maybe it’s a he?”
V “I think it’s a she.”
T “Okay, well, either way.”
V “Dude, you’re working tomorrow, aren’t you?”
T “Yeah.”
V “Then I’ll see you next week.”
T “Yeah, you will.”
V “We’ll be on set together.”
T “Yeah, we will.”
V “Gonna be nice.”
T “Next Tuesday.”
V “I gotta do extra Covid testing because it’s a close contact.”
T “*inhales* I know. I did mine today.”
V “Ooof, we’re gonna be so close.”
T “So close, yet so far.”
V “Alright, dude, get some rest. I’m excited for tomorrow. I love you, man, talk to you later. Thanks everybody for joining!”
T “Thanks so much for coming on, guys!”
V “Alright, see ya.”
T “Bye!”
V “Bye, guys.”
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evelhak · 4 years
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“Ancient” wlw ships
This is such a self-indulgent post but I need to get my thoughts out. Lately I’ve been thinking a lot about all the girls I shipped in fiction when I was a kid and didn’t realize I was shipping them.
I mean, they pretty much all had boyfriends or ended up marrying a man, and I was pretty much on board, in my eyes it was just some part of the story that needed to happen, because it always did. I think the common thing with these characters was that the female best friend was, at least more often than not, narratively more important than the guy, or just seemed to have a much greater emotional impact in the story.
Thinking about this has been so fun and eye-opening that I just feel like sharing a list of my biggest ancient wlw pairs that I only now, years later, realize were totally in love in my mind, I just didn’t have a concept for it yet. I’m sure that’s relatable for some people, but maybe there’s someone out there who was shipping these same characters??
This will include mild spoilers. And it’ll be long.
1. Cornelia & Elyon from W.i.t.c.h.
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I COMPLETELY lived in these comics when I was 8-12 years old, and nothing in it was as compelling to me as Cornelia and Elyon. Guess I was already a sucker for best-friends-to-enemies-to-friends-again, even though I didn’t realize I also wanted them to become lovers. Best friends was all there was to me back then, that was the name I assigned to the highest form of love in my head. Which I still don’t see as invalid? I just didn’t realize I would’ve related to the romance aspect between best friends a hell of a lot more than I did to any of the relationships the W.i.t.c.h. girls had with their boyfriends. Cornelia and Caled was almost as bad as Buffy and Angel! Cornelia and Peter was just boring af. All the other W.i.t.c.h. girls’ boyfriends were all equally boring to me except for Will and Matt, but that was because their struggle to admit their feelings for each other was written in a funny way, not because their relationship had any actual depth.
But Elyon and Cornelia would’ve been perfect! I mean if your best friend has the ability to understand you so well, that with her magical intuition, she can draw you a picture of a guy you’re going to fall for, a guy she has never met... why would you even want to be with that guy anymore? Why wouldn’t you just be with her instead?? What Cornelia and Caleb had was limerence (I actually applaud the comics for eventually treating it as such and showing how it was harmful to both of the characters!) but what Cornelia and Elyon had was true love that transcends dimensions. Cornelia never gave up on Elyon, not even for a moment, after she became the W.i.t.c.h. girls’ enemy, and when she was in trouble, Cornelia had a hunch from another dimension, and she didn’t hesitate to come to her rescue. (The fact that during the same mission she also manages to fall for the dude Elyon drew for her in the past seems more like an accident, to be honest. The real deal was patching things up with Elyon, it was both more emotionally impactful AND more plot-relevant!)
It was also really sad to read the comics sometimes, because Elyon was absolutely my favourite character, and she wasn’t around much after the first arc, being a queen in another dimension. But every time there was a flashback to when Elyon was still living on Earth and being cute with Cornelia I was like MOOOOORE.
2. Sora and Layla from Kaleido Star
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If you haven’t watched this anime you’ve missed. SO. MUCH. This is probably my favourite anime ever. And it features another type of ship I LOVE. Which is partners in some sort of activity, usually sports. When it’s written well it’s just so impactful and intense. These girls are routinely risking their lives in their passion for acrobatics, so they need to have absolute trust in each other. And oh boy is the relationship between them written well. I love it when two characters initially don’t get the way the other thinks or sees the world, but as they grow closer, it’s the other’s way of thinking that really unlocks something huge for them.
Also what’s so compelling about Sora and Layla is that there really isn’t anything like them in any other anime, that I’ve come across, at least. These partnerships are always between two guys in a sports anime, the partnership is at the heart of the story and the emotional stakes are so high it’s no wonder most people don’t want to ship these guys with their intended female love interests. Kaleido Star takes this even further because the guy who is in love with Sora is literally a joke, or the fact that he’s in love with Sora is a running gag, and nothing more. All the focus is on Sora and Layla as partners, and how they change each other's lives for the better.
Also the way Sora pines for Layla when she’s away or not paying enough attention to her is SO... I mean you don’t even have to think it’s romantic for it to absolutely melt you. Although it feels pretty heavily romantically coded, and it doesn’t even feel like queer baiting, because it’s just SO real and honest. And how Layla can’t stop thinking about how Sora is changing her as a person. There’s no question about the fact that the relationship between these women is the true meat of the show.
3. Anne and Diana from Anne of Green Gables
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I read these books over and over again as a kid, and the Netflix show renewed my love for these two. They are kind of ridiculous, but SO cute. Looking back, it seems obvious that they had a crush on each other, they were just SO giddy all the time they were alone. Sure, you can excuse all their romantic gestures (like changing locks of hair, and vowing to never leave each other with joined hands and grand words) with saying Anne just romanticizes everything, but it never really felt like just that to me.
I’ll never forget how devastated Anne was about Diana getting married, and I don’t remember the wording but initially she wished she could keep Diana to herself for their whole lives. And every time they talked about marriage it was something they were both gonna do not as individuals, but rather the emphasis seemed to be on the shared experience, and how their children would be best friends and all that. It was all about them together. Like their romantic fantasies were nothing without the other somehow in the picture.
I don’t hate Anne and Gilbert but I don’t love them either. Gilbert has always been just sort of “meh”. He’s okay, but also the kind of love interest that can never compel me much.
4. Chocolat and Vanilla from Sugar Sugar Rune
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Seriously, this would have been SO GOOD if it was canon.
Think about it, best friends, chosen to compete against each other for the throne. These witches go to the human world to attract male attention and collect feelings from the men, turning the feelings into heart shaped crystals and whoever collects more will be the queen. I mean... the story was good as it is but if they had ended up together and been queens TOGETHER?? That would have been the best story. It could have had SUCH a compelling best-friends-to-competitors-to-enemies-to-friends-to-lovers storyline! There would have been room for so much character development.
And if my memory doesn’t betray me the story would not change much at all if they didn’t end up with the guys they do end up with! Especially Vanilla’s guy is like an afterthought and Chocolat’s guy is... well, a sum of my least favourite tropes, including the one that will remind everyone about Mortal Instruments a LITTLE too much, so he can get lost for all I care.
I cried many times while reading this, and it always had something to do with these two girls.
5. Yoko and Liao from Yoko Tsuno
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Okay, these two might have a problematic age gap, I’m not sure, but I didn’t know of that possibility as a kid, they just looked the same age to me. I was a huge Yoko Tsuno fan as a pre-teen, and there were so many interesting female adventurers in this series but for some reason the dynamic between Yoko and Liao was my favourite, even though Liao only appeared in one album. I just really felt like I needed to see more of these characters interacting and where their relationship would develop.
There was something about them that seemed rather original to me then, and a nice change. The reader had already gotten used to Yoko as the hero, she was always saving the day everywhere, she was like The Doctor in a way and not only because she time-travelled. She is simply badass. In Liao’s story there’s a prophecy about a girl who speaks to a dragon and saves everyone, and Yoko thinks that girl is her because she’s from the future and knows the dragon is a machine, but it turns out to be Liao, and that was somehow really satisfying. Yoko treats Liao obnoxiously in the beginning, doesn’t give her much credit, but is deeply humbled after Liao needs to save her ass multiple times because she’s just too sure of herself. It was cool to see how Yoko really needed to grow in this story and realize her limitations, and how wrong she was to treat Liao the way she did and look down on her just because Liao was physically weak, had a temper, and came from a much earlier time period than Yoko.
By the end they are clearly very attached to each other (Liao weeping in Yoko’s arms and Yoko confessing how full of herself she was when they met) and respect each other, and I just really would’ve liked to see where they would go from there. I thought about them meeting again A LOT when I was a kid.
That’s my big five! :D I could go on but this is already long, I need to sleep, and these are the characters that I’ve been thinking about the most lately. If you read this far for some reason it would be cool to hear if you have any similar (or different) experiences.
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violetwolfraven · 4 years
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I'm sorry for sending so many requests, but you did specifically ask for this one: 46 for Sprace would be amazing!
I have to tell Jack about my relationship but he’s basically everyone’s big brother and—
I also already did this one with this ship but I can try another spin on it wherein Jack reacts differently! Let’s see how this goes!
Tw: referenced period-typical homophobia and the word ‘queer’ but not used as a slur.
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Race took a deep breath. He had to believe that this would go alright.
Jack wasn’t even that much older. It was only 2 years difference. Race had roughly the same amount of experience on the streets and in not doing stupid things that would get him hurt.
And yet Cowboy was still stupid overprotective, because he was Jack Kelly, and Jack Kelly was Race’s older brother, blood be damned.
He just needed to breathe. Albert’s pep talk before this was probably right. Jack was happiest when all the other Manhattan kids were happy. He was like a sheepdog that way.
He would be fine with this. This would be fine. It would be a mildly uncomfortable conversation, but it would be fine.
Race should just man the hell up and go up to the roof already.
“Hey, Cowboy, how’s it goin’?”
“What’s wrong?” Jack asked immediately.
“What? Why does somethin’ have to be wrong?”
“Cause I’s known ya since I was 7 and you was 5, Racer. What’s wrong?”
“Nothin’s wrong!” Race said quickly, “Nothin’s wrong. It’s somethin’ that’s right, in fact. Uh...”
“Spit it out,” Jack said, seeming a bit amused at Race’s nervousness.
“I kinda got a... a sweetheart.”
“Oh,” Jack looked a little uncomfortable, “Okay. Uh... thanks for tellin’ me. If I ask, are ya gonna tell me who it is?”
Race cringed. This was the part he was dreading.
Still, he took a deep breath, “Yeah.”
“Okay, then who is it?”
“It’s uh... it’s a boy.”
Race was stalling. Why was he stalling? He’d faced cops and gangsters and not flinched and he was worried about a talk with his big brother?
Jack snorted, “Ya think I care? I’m queer, too, Racer. And I knew you were even before ya told me, so... do I know this boy of yours?”
“Um... yeah,” Race admitted, “He ain’t Manhattan, though.”
“Huh...” Jack looked like he was thinking about it, “Ain’t many queer kids I know ‘bout outside of here.”
“It ain’t exactly common knowledge,” Race admitted, “Even among other queers. It’d be dangerous for him if anyone knew—ever more’n for the rest of us.”
“Okay,” Jack now looked slightly worried, “You’s bein’ safe, right? Bein’ careful to stay hidden?”
“Of course. I’m not an idiot.”
“Just had to make sure. And uh... this boy. He treats ya right?”
Race nodded, “Yeah. Ya wouldn’t know it by lookin’ at him, but he can be soft when he wants to.”
“He don’t raise a hand to ya? Stops if ya tell him to?”
“Of course—I said he treats me right.”
“And he makes ya happy?”
Race smiled softly, “More than I’ve been in a long time.”
It was true. He loved his brothers and sisters in Manhattan, but they didn’t make him feel the way Spot always did. It was weird, how one person could always make his day.
Jack smiled, too, shrugging, “If all that’s true, I don’t see what you’s so worked up about, Racer. Sure, I don’t like the idea of anyone bein’ in a position to hurt you, but if this boy is good to ya and makes ya happy, I don’t think there’s any way I’d disapprove.”
Race took a deep breath. Here was the moment that would really define if Jack would be okay with this.
And despite the fact that he would keep doing whatever he damn well pleased whether Jack approved or not, he really did want Jack to approve. It was stupid, but he wanted his big brother to be okay with this.
“I’m courtin’ Spot Conlon.”
Jack was completely silent for a full ten seconds.
Then, “You’re what now?”
“I’m courtin’ Spot Conlon,” Race repeated, “He’s my—“
“God, Race,” Jack interrupted, “I can’t believe... shit. Oh my God.”
He stood up, walking over to lean against the edge of the roof, glaring down at the street.
This was definitely not how Race had been hoping this would go.
“I don’t care if you don’t like him,” he blurted.
Jack scoffed, “Oh, of course not. ‘Cause you’re a fuckin’ dumbass who’d literally get in bed with Spot Conlon! Y’know that he’s killed people, right, Racer?”
“Yeah,” Race admitted.
“Yeah, at least 3,” he muttered, “And that’s the low count in the rumors. Race... God, if it was practically anyone else, I’d say I don’t understand your taste in men and call it a day, but this is the one exception! The King of Brooklyn? Seriously?”
“Ya don’t know him like I do.”
“I know he’s dangerous and there’s a decent chance he gets ya arrested or worse!”
“Jack!” Race quieted down, realizing he’d shouted loud enough that the whole damn borough probably heard him.
He took a deep breath, trying to control his annoyance.
“I know Spot’s dangerous,” he admitted, “I know better than you, actually, since he’s told me every kill he made so’s I’d know what I was gettin’ into. So, I know he don’t kill unless he has to, and need I remind you that not all Brooklyn kings are so kind? Some of the previous ones just killed ‘cause they thought it was fun!”
“So that makes it better that your boy has killed 3 people?”
It didn’t, but Race knew Spot’s reasons for killing, and they were always good. Death was always a last resort.
The previous king had been tyrannical and cruel and no one else was brave enough to stand up to him. That gangster had nearly hurt a young Brooklyn girl and wouldn’t stop coming after her until he was stopped permanently. That one boy’s father damn near killed his son and had him scared enough that he couldn’t get himself out.
The point was that those men had deserved it, and Spot still was haunted by what he’d had to do. There were nights when he woke Race up with a nightmare, giving away what it had been about by checking his own hands for blood.
And he couldn’t tell Jack any of that because they weren’t his secrets to tell.
“Look, I ain’t lookin’ for your permission,” he said firmly, “I’m gonna keep seein’ whoever I wanna see whether you approve or not, Jack—it’s my life. But you’s already said long as he treats me right and makes me happy, you don’t care. Did that change just ‘cause it’s Spot?”
Jack still looked like a scared type of angry, but when he saw that Race wasn’t going to back down, he sighed.
“I just don’t want ya to get hurt.”
“I know. But I ain’t a kid anymore, Cowboy.”
Jack snorted, “No, you’re 16. And 16-year-olds never make decisions they’s gonna regret later.”
Race shrugged, “Davey was 16 when he got together with your delinquent ass.”
“Okay, that’s not fair.”
“I never said it was!”
They were in awkward silence for a couple seconds, then Jack tossed an arm around Race’s shoulders, squeezing gently.
“Look, I don’t trust Spot,” he admitted, “But I’s noticed how ya fake less of your smiles lately... he’s really good to ya?”
“He is.”
“Well then, I’m happy for ya, Racer.”
Race smiled, “Thanks.”
“I’m still gonna give him a shovel talk.”
“I saw that comin’.”
Whatever. Spot could handle a shovel talk. And he knew Race was telling Jack, so he was probably expecting one.
Jack bumped him with his hip, “I think I forget sometimes how ya gotta grow up sometime.”
Race bumped him back, “What? Like you did?”
He half wished he could deny how they both were growing up. Things were simpler when they were kids.
But when they were kids, they didn’t have Davey or Spot, or even most of their friends.
Maybe getting older wasn’t so bad.
“So, when can I scare the livin’ shit out of your boy?”
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