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#this is purely headcanon based upon my personal interpretation of the canon and any other hcs for phineas and any other character are valid
another-lost-mc · 4 months
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Do you think the brothers have had partners before mc?? 🤔
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a/n: well, I have thoughts™️ about this! I think there's a lot of wiggle room to explore whether they've had purely physical/sexual relationships prior to mc, or whether they had romantic/loving relationships as well. these are my personal interpretations of the characters and how I prefer to write them, but there's lots of flexibility here too.
relationships before mc | the canon cast + demon oc's
1.5k words | headcanons | nsfw | minors dni
cw: past sexual and/or romantic situations mentioned but not explicitly described. mentions of potentially having heirs/children in diavolo and mephisto's portions.
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Personal headcanons/assumptions:
Sex is not required to form a pact between a demon and human.
Angels are not strictly forbidden from having sex or physical intimacy, but it's not usually appealing without some sort of emotional connection. Most angels don't seek out relationships intentionally.
Angels that pursue romantic relationships tend to be monogamous unless other arrangements are agreed upon.
The demon brothers/fallen angels struggled at first - it was unusual to them how freely demons in the Devildom engaged in sex for pleasure's sake. It wasn't common when they were angels so it was a bit of a culture shock.
LUCIFER
He's not a virgin. He doesn't have much experience with romantic relationships either - most of his past encounters were purely physical in nature. Due to his power and popularity in the Devildom, he has to deal with demons (or witches/wizards) that try to pursue him. Most of the time, they're nuisances he'd rather not deal with at all. I think he gets lonely and wishes he had someone to share his desires and burdens with, but that's a source of vulnerability for him too.
MAMMON
He's had casual sex but not much beyond that. Some of his past partners include witches or warlocks who've had pacts with him as well. If he's in the mood, he can find a willing partner easily enough when he goes clubbing or to one of the casinos.
LEVIATHAN
The only demon brother I sometimes write as not having any sexual experience before meeting MC. His experiences, if any, would've happened after the fall. I think he has lots of willing admirers who offer themselves to him, but he would be nervous or reluctant to take advantage. Even if he makes out/fools around a little bit with someone, it's very difficult for him to be comfortable enough for any kind of penetrative sex. Oral sex (giving) is outside his comfort zone when it comes to strangers or distant acquaintances too.
SATAN
Casual sex is something he enjoys. It's a pleasurable way to relieve stress. It's not difficult for him to find a willing partner or two - he's popular and handsome and draws plenty of attention when he decides to go to one of the Devildom's clubs for a bit of fun. He assumes the demons that throw themselves at him only want him on a purely physical level and he reluctantly accepts that. Part of him doesn't believe that he's relationship material, even though he longs for the type of romantic fantasy he reads about in his books.
ASMODEUS
I feel like his past doesn't need much explanation. Casual sex? Absolutely. Experimentation? Of course. Relationships? Yes, sort of. I think most of his past relationships were based on physical attraction/desire without much emotional bonding taking place (at least on Asmo's side). He likes being fawned over but it's very one-sided in his favour. He's known as a heartbreaker but for most demons, that's not much of a deterrent - they know what they're getting into when they seek him out. Prior to meeting MC, I think he's a very self-absorbed and selfish lover so he chases after whatever demon or witch or wizard catches his eye. He discards them just as easily whenever he gets bored. He rarely feels guilty or suffers any consequences when he does this.
BEELZEBUB
He's popular and handsome and I think he would've had no shortage of willing fans to fool around with if he was in the mood. He doesn't indulge often but he does enjoy sex as an alternative way of satisfying his sin's cravings. He's a bit pickier with who he spends time with though - he wants it to be fun and pleasurable. Even if they're only a one-time fling, he's honest and respectful towards his partners.
BELPHEGOR
He has to be in a very specific mood and it takes a special sort of demon or human to catch his eye. Sex is also a handy tool for manipulating someone, but it's more of a last resort option for him. I don't think he likes being too vulnerable with strangers.
DIAVOLO
He's too busy and has far too many responsibilities to seek out romantic relationships. He has to be cautious not to be manipulated by someone looking to exploit his power. As future king, he is also aware that any prospective partners have to be willing to accept that sort of life with him. He dreams of having a love like his mother and father had, and he wants to give any future heirs a better childhood than his own. He hasn't found anyone he wants as his consort yet, so he sticks to sporadic, discreet casual encounters that are physical in nature only.
BARBATOS
Prior to devoting himself to Diavolo, one-night-stands and short-term relationships of a physical nature were part of his past. In modern times, he doesn't really seek out companionship that way. He doesn't want to be distracted from his responsibilities. He also has a much higher standard now for the type of person he would be willing to be with. Relationships are tricky and complicated and he knows the types of chaos that love can bring. He doesn't necessarily welcome or encourage that sort of interest in him, but if he somehow develops feelings too, he might make an exception.
SOLOMON
No doubt about it. A king who was said to have hundreds of wives and concubines must've had a colourful past. (Although I believe most of those were marriages of convenience in order to gain wealth and power through treaties and dowries.) I also believe he had at least one great love in his life, and their relationship ending in bitter betrayal broke part of him - at least temporarily. I think he would've had a jaded view of love and relationships after that. Later, he would choose to indulge in purely physical relationships that satisfied his human desire to claim and be claimed without the risk of heartbreak. Physical relationships with some of his pact demons were preferable alternatives to the vulnerability that came with pursuing human partners. In modern times, he's been less likely to pursue physical intimacy at all and focuses on his magical experimentation and being the human world's guardian.
SIMEON
Physical intimacy is far and fleeting for him, but he's not likely to pursue that in modern times without having genuine feelings for someone first. He can be very flirty and affectionate when he's interested in someone, although he might play coy and pretend he's not if someone calls him out on his behaviour. He can be very teasing.
MEPHISTOPHELES
He engages in casual flings but he's not going to let himself be vulnerable with strangers or acquaintances. He cares deeply about his family (especially his younger brother) and I think he has some desire to have a family of his own one day. He might be a closet romantic at heart, but he hasn't found anyone that stirs that craving in him yet.
RAPHAEL
Similar to Simeon, he doesn't indulge often. He might flirt teasingly with someone he's attracted to, but he has to know them and be comfortable for him to show that playful side. It might catch someone off-guard if they don't know that about him. He doesn't always pick up on subtle cues so he might not realize someone is flirting with him too.
THIRTEEN
Casual sex and intimacy between reapers is common, but some are too busy/dedicated to their work to bother. Thirteen fits into that second group (although she uses it as an excuse to avoid being vulnerable or taken advantage of). Bouncing off my previous reaper headcanons, reapers aren't necessarily of human origins and don't hesitate to have relationships or arrangements with reapers or beings that belong to more monstrous races.
MICHAEL
He isn't a virgin but hasn't indulged in anything sexual or romantic since the brothers fell. He struggles with regret and doubt and has a lot of personal insecurities. Above all else, he's terrified of having more loved ones taken away from him or risk being betrayed by them. He wears a cold mask to hide his vulnerability and to push away anyone that might get too close. He might secretly wish he had someone by his side that could accept him for who he is despite his faults.
KARASU
He's not a virgin but only has sex/physical intimacy with those he's in a relationship with and has feelings for. There are very long gaps in his dating history so he's very inexperienced/insecure about his attractiveness and his ability to please his partner.
AZRA
Lust demons gonna lust. He regularly has quickies with patrons or fans at his club but won't take anyone home with him. He's very awkward in relationships because he doesn't date that often. When he has feelings for someone, he can be a bit overwhelming.
ZEKHAN
Casual sex is a way for him to relieve stress; he's not looking for a long-term partner and hasn't dated in a very long time. The act itself is very impersonal and he removes as little clothing as possible to maintain that barrier and keep some sense of control. These encounters usually take place at or near the club when he's working.
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erbferbatinlerb · 4 years
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sorry for the long post, i'm on mobile and cant put a read more but.... drumroll please.... due to popular demand here it is! Phineas Has ADHD: The Essay.
Hyperfixation on building/inventing things: Even more specifically amusement park rides ("Rollercoaster", "Rollercoaster The Musical", "One Good Scare", "Leave The Busting To Us", "Don't Even Blink", "Cheer Up Candace", "Delivery Of Destiny", etc.) Now, you can argue that he's a kid, and rides are fun, so of course he likes them, but if you look at it from a building standpoint, from an engineering standpoint? Phineas' interest lies in fun, of course, but he also must have an extreme interest in the engineering aspect of a ride in order to be skilled and knowledgeable enough to build them, and to be able to focus on the task so wholly.
He also gets incredibly attached to very specific things that some people often find strange, which seems like evidence of hyperfixation to me. (E.g.: aglets in "Tip of the Day", dental hygiene in "Bully Bust", Bulgarian folk dancing in "The Beak", detective movies in "Finding Mary McGuffin") hot tubs in "Bully Bromance Breakup", "Lotsa Latkes", "Swiss Family Phineas")
HYPERFOCUS: He and Ferb will dedicate their whole day to just one idea that they have. Phineas is able to weaponize his hyperfocusing talent incredibly well and stick to one task, but only if it is something he is extremely interested in — for example: In "Bully Bromance Breakup", he becomes almost unable to function without the stimulation of inventing, to the point where climbing a mountain with his friends—something he, by all accounts, should enjoy—becomes a difficult task for him.
He displays forgetfulness: In "Mom's Birthday", Phineas forgets it is his mom's birthday until he hears Candace mention it, and then he feels extremely guilty. We then see a montage of him, during various situations from the previous episodes (on the rollercoaster, etc.) telling Ferb: "We can't forget mom's birthday." Even though this was of course, a bit, if you take this as being canon (which there's no real reason not to), it means Phineas was constantly talking about their mom's birthday for weeks leading up to the event because he really didn't want to forget it and he was worried that he would (and in the end, he did), implying he may have a consistent tendency to be forgetful.
Phineas has an intense love of summer, and is implied to have a dislike for school—  which is natural for any kid his age, but it's not hard to imagine that he might feel cooped up and creatively stifled during school. Especially if we put his attitude towards school next to that of Baljeet, with whom he shares a love of learning and knowledge, it's hard to ignore the difference. Being as we've seen Phineas get agitated when he's not able to build and invent freely and on his own terms ("Bully Bromance Breakup", "Summer Belongs To You"), it's easy to imagine he may struggle in a public school environment.
He has impulsive and thrill-seeking tendencies, which are evident in many of the big ideas. ("Escape From Phineas Tower", "Rollercoaster", "Ain't No Kiddie Ride", "The Beak", "One Good Scare", "Phineas and Ferb-Busters", "Leave The Busting To Us", ETC.) Adrenaline-seeking behaviour is common in individuals with ADHD and goes hand-in-hand with a low tolerance for boredom which Phineas explicitly states himself to possess in the very first episode of the show. ("Rollercoaster")
However, on the flip side to his aversion to boredom, he can also spend literally hours just standing in the backyard, not even talking, if that's just what he feels like doing that day. ("Best Lazy Day Ever")
He is highly energetic and is the most talkative one of his friends. He has also suggested having an awareness and perhaps an insecurity that he talks too much in some situations. ("Misperceived Monotreme")
He sometimes has trouble with listening, and interrupts people, especially when he's excited: in "Ready For The Bettys", when they stumble upon Perry's lair, Phineas assumes Ferb built everything and doesn't listen, constantly interrupting when Ferb tries to protest; in "Hail Doofania", he assumes that he knows what Isabella is talking about (not having seen a rainbow before) and makes it his mission for the day to do what he thinks she means, and doesn't take the time to hear her out when she tries to explain otherwise because he's too invested in/excited about the project he has in mind.
Obliviousness / missing of social cues: The most obvious example is Isabella's crush on him, which he consistently fails to notice. ("Chronicles of Meap", "Meapless in Seattle", "That Sinking Feeling", "Happy New Year", "Summer Belongs To You", "Happy Birthday Isabella", "Doofapus", "It's No Picnic") He also seems not to understand that Candace wants to get them in trouble, nor that he actually probably would get in trouble if his mom knew what he and Ferb were doing. In fact, he gets excited about sharing their endeavors with Linda, clearly oblivious to the potential repercussions. ("Traffic Cam Caper", "What'd I Miss", "Suddenly Suzy")
Highlighted Episodic Evidence
Chronicles of Meap/Meapless in Seattle
Phineas's dismissal of Isabella's "cuteness" comments shows again his difficulty picking up on social cues, especially when distracted by a mission. He does not seem to understand, or at least does not acknowledge, Isabella's clear frustration with him. He does not understand that he is dismissing Isabella's feelings, because to him it feels obvious that she is cute and he doesn't think he needs to say it. Followed up in "Meapless in Seattle" with the "You think I'm cute?" "It's a scientific fact!" interaction—Phineas is not understanding that this isn't really how to give a compliment; he does not seem to realize that by not acknowledging Isabella's cuteness he could be hurting her feelings/nurturing her insecurities.
That Sinking Feeling
Once again, he misses cues from Isabella about her feelings for him, or if he understands them, he does not outwardly acknowledge them. He also tries to create romance for Mishti and Baljeet by taking "scientifically" romantic things, based upon his research (mostly the movie Titanic): candles, live music, the situation of a sinking ship... He over-does these things in a calculated way to try and curate the most scientifically romantic situation possible. This also mirrors Candace's opinion about his cold, calculated methods in "Perry Lays an Egg".
Cheer Up Candace
Phineas cares about Candace and when he sees her upset, he wants to help her, and he makes it his goal to do so. He hears the first step from Isabella's magazine is a makeover and he immediately thinks of a clown. He sets off to execute his plan without consulting anyone (except Ferb) and after it goes, as you can expect, not well, he realizes in hindsight that his impulsive idea was built on flawed logic. However, rather than dwell on this, he decides to dive right into the next step and he continues to do wildly over the top, fantastical versions of the magazine suggestions. I think this demonstrates a lack of understanding for social cues as well as impulsivity and impatience. Furthermore, he doesn't even wait to hear step two before setting out to achieve step one, and he doesn't ask Isabella her opinion or even listen to her suggestions once he has entered his own Idea Zone. Also, the Mix 'n' Mingle Machine is a great example of his unconventional and greatly efficiency-focused thought processes—  
he thinks of it as the most efficient way to meet as many people as possible in a short time, demonstrating a clear misunderstanding of what the actual intent of "meeting someone" was in the magazine. He is also basing this idea on his personal notions of what he finds fun, not what Candace would necessarily want.
Summer Belongs To You
When stranded on the island, Phineas shows an intense frustration when he's unable to put an optimistic spin on things. He also has a clear discomfort when he is without any tools to build with. Again, we see his hyperfocus on inventing (in this case: fixing the plane) get in the way of Isabella trying to have a romantic moment with him, and in the way of relaxing in general. She sees the sights of Paris, alone time with him, and chances to enjoy themselves, whereas Phineas sees things he could use as airplane parts, single-mindedly focused on his mission. And again he misses or does not acknowledge Isabella's frustration with him in the "It seemed like romance was a foregone conclusion" scene. This is strong evidence for Phineas' hyperfixation because he gets so caught up in his own world when it comes to inventing/building/working that he doesn't even notice what's going on around him, then he fails to see the irony of him identifying Candace&Jeremy and Ferb&Vanessa as romantic interests while entirely missing the fact that Isabella & him are also "a boy and a girl, alone in the city of love."
Also of note is his complete focus on completing the Summer Solstice goal. Because, despite the fact that they made it back to Danville safely after being in a pretty perilous situation—which should have become their main concern being as they were just stranded on an island with no food or way to call for help—he cannot be satisfied with that. Needing to get home before the sun sets for the sake of winning his bet and symbolically representing his worldview, he yells at candace when she doesn't want to get on the trike, because he's determined to still get there on time, intensely focused on both proving a point and upholding his personal values.
Happy Birthday Isabella
Isabella does not want an over-the-top surprise party, all she wants is to spend time alone with Phineas, but Phineas is so focused on his idea of her perfect birthday party that he does not seem to realize what her wishes are. He sends her away from him so that she won't know about the surprise, and does not even do so very gently (getting Buford to carry her away in a sack) instead of even asking her what she wants.
Bully Bromance Breakup
In this episode, Phineas is shown to get extremely distressed when he has to go even a short period of time without building/inventing anything. This is representative of a need for constant stimulation (which would explain why he is so adamant that he cannot put up with boredom). This also evidences his hyperfixation on building/inventing. The whole time that they're climbing the mountain with Baljeet, Phineas is completely preoccupied by his ideas for inventions, and after Baljeet rejects his ideas a few times, he gets increasingly agitated, eventually gets to a point where he is unable to climb anymore and has to get pulled up by the others, and he is shown rambling to himself about all of the invention ideas he has.
This is by no means a definitive list, and I'm sure there are many more moments in the show that provide evidence of these ideas, but this is the ones that stood out to me. Anyway, in conclusion, Phineas has ADHD. If you're still reading this incredibly long post by this point: uhh, thank you, I guess! Have a nice day. 💖
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toujourspur13 · 3 years
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The Black family / Walburga Black / canon.
As I said before I do not care that much about canon/fanon/headcanon because transformative works by definition include a wide variety of different interpretations. However, I am forever perplexed when I see uncompromising opinions on the Black family - particularly the unwavering certainty that Sirius Black’s parents were psychotic abusers. All personal opinions aside - why is this so popular?
I mean - it’s absolutely ok to headcanon this version and to play with it - but saying 'don’t you dare say they did not physically and emotionally abuse Sirius' is a little strong, isn’t it?
This is a mystery to me. So…let’s discuss my favourite subject…Again.
Let’s stick to the facts. The frequently cited things proving the abuse in the Black family are as follows:
Sirius said his parents were awful maniacs (pureblood ideology)
he ran away from home
he was severely depressed in OoTP
Kreacher
Portrait
So…when you say that Sirius’s parents were abusive…you mean exactly what? These people got cold feet when they saw the real nature of Voldemort - I guess it somehow implies that they did not share his methods…that they were against violence as a tool to get purebloods in charge.
But then it usually goes this way: ‘well at least he was verbally and emotionally abused by his family’ - but is it so? Is this based on the portrait of Sirius's mother? She insulted strangers who took over her house and her runaway son - how does this prove anything about how Sirius and Regulus were raised and treated when they were kids? I agree it’s rather impolite - jkr did a good job showing how purebloods perceived others ( those below them) -but in all honesty, this has very little to do with Sirius and his childhood.
Why to make Sirius a victim at all? - c’mon he was tougher than this, he spent 12 years in Azkaban; are you actually saying that a portrait throwing insults at everyone is worse? I doubt that. And is it such a surprise that a mother who lost her son (that said son actually ran away and abandoned his duty) would be that furious at him when seeing him again...even if it’s only a portrait...I believe it to be a rather unpleasant experience for a parent when a child runs away.
We already talked about the portrait a lot - I don’t even want to mention it here- - I feel we should rather pay more attention to the fact that Sirius himself was not an angel.
I am not saying the colourful vocabulary of Walburga Black should be used…but Sirius himself upon seeing Snape  immediately  recognised his weakness and went for it without any hesitation …we are talking about Sirius who in fact was quite a renowned bully ( I mean - we know for a fact that from time to time Sirius and James got carried away)…
And it was Sirius who sent Snape to meet and chat with a real werewolf (yes, I agree - he was not thinking this through - he probably was just vexed and fed up with Snape and thought he wouldn’t go there, would get cold feet or idk run away…But it actually changes nothing. If a drunken driver hits someone it will be 100% his fault whether he means it or not. Whether he is in a fragile mental state or not - such situations are definite. It’s the same with Sirius - even if he did not mean anything bad he should have understood the cost of his mistake - all teenagers make silly things but not all of them send their classmate to meet a werewolf - James thought it not a very good idea as I recall… -
So we see that Sirius was not an angel from the start and I can hardly believe he was a victim by nature. His behaviour loudly manifested that he used to get what he wanted with no thought of the consequences.
And all those pictures of bikini-clad girls on the walls in his room prove that he was quite a spoiled boy who had nothing to fear from mum and dad. Harry himself noticed «Sirius seemed to have gone out of his way to annoy his parents». All this shows that Sirius was not afraid of his parents at all. What kind of masochist would suffer for motorbike posters? That would be ridiculous.
Let’s move to Kreacher: If Sirius’s mother had been a monster why even mention her heart?  JKR wrote this for a purpose and this heavily implies that Sirius's situation was never meant to be ‘the abusive heartless parents vs the poor helpless victim’.  
The fact that Sirius ran away and hence broke his mother’s heart says against the popular idea that he was not loved by his family, that he was always the second one, that they abused him. I’m 100% certain that Kreacher told the truth in that scene. Why would he say something like this if it were not the truth - something like…that his beloved mistress having been so upset over Sirius running away that it broke her heart. Just tell me one reason that would have justified such a lie - why to say this at all?
Then this: “Leave?” Sirius smiled bitterly and ran a hand through his long, unkempt hair. “Because I hated the whole lot of them: my parents, with their pure-blood mania, convinced that to be a Black made you practically royal … my idiot brother, soft enough to believe them … that’s him.”…. “He was younger than me,” said Sirius, “and a much better son, as I was constantly reminded.”
I’ve already said it before - this ‘better son than me’ is exactly what insecure 14-year old kids like to say. Well...he’s a bit older but it’s not as if he had a life and a chance to mature. Moreover, I don’t know if it comes as a great shock but a lot of teenagers like to badmouth their parents…usually, it involves something like ‘those bloody uptight retrogrades know nothing of the real world’ (it fades away when they get closer to thirty).
To be serious, I find that it’s just another example of similarities between Sirius and his mother. They clearly did not know what it means to be composed, polite, and respectful. Yeah…I think that, on the whole, parents are owed their children’s respect (unless they are completely inadequate - somehow I don’t believe this was the case). Someone should teach both of them what mutual respect means. Anyway, there is nothing in this quote that says that Sirius was subjected to any forms of abuse - it’s about how Sirius justified his running away,  how he saw the situation.
There’s also the fact that Sirius was incredibly unhappy because he was back at his childhood home and having to spend time around anything that reminded him of his family: “Hasn’t anyone told you? This was my parents’ house,” said Sirius. “But I’m the last Black left, so it’s mine now. I offered it to Dumbledore for headquarters — about the only useful thing I’ve been able to do.” Harry, who had expected a better welcome, noted how hard and bitter Sirius’s voice sounded”.
Here it comes…the severe depression that makes people question the severity of his abuse… I have thought a lot about this because it is the reason why some consider ‘the abusive blacks' canon while others believe it was more of a tragedy of the family rather than the banal brutality.
Of course, Sirius was upset in that house - but I don’t think he suffered the memories of his unhappy childhood - I think he suffered from the strong feeling of guilt. Being in that house meant an everyday reminder that he was a failure. And it’s not even a lie. If you look at his whole life you’ll see that he literally failed everyone in his life: he failed James and Lily - they were dead and he unwillingly became the reason. It was his plan that turned everything into a tragedy.
And, to some extent, he failed Harry- he was not around him like James and Lily would have wanted. Sirius did not give him the real family - he only promised they'd be the one «when it’s all over».
And finally - he failed his parents, his brother, his own family.
Is it possible to live with so much guilt in your heart?
I don't think that Sirius completely forgot who he was born to be. If the family keeps traditions and can trace its existence back in centuries you can't shake it off even if you want. I doubt Sirius switched it off just because he had griffindor friends. He was the last Black - it is tragically poetic that he was once the hope of his family and then this family died with him. If Sirius had heart (and I truly believe he had a heart) he knew exactly what it meant to be trapped in the house that represented the death of his family. A constant reminder  that he was the last one.  
“The others’ hushed voices were giving Harry an odd feeling of foreboding; it was as though they had just entered the house of a dying person”. 
I think that the scene when he threw his father's ring away - he threw it away because it was all over for his family. It was the end of the dynasty - and for him it was all over long before he met Bellatrix for the last time.
Well, I admit Sirius' situation is open for wide interpretation but I don’t think the abusive black household is a canon thing - of course, it’s fanon. It makes Sirius a hero who broke the chains when in fact he ended up being a victim of his own life.
You know, it always seems strange to me that fandom when discussing Walburga usually overlooks the simple truth of life - that even if you are clever enough and mean good for your loved ones it is still possible to end up on the losing side, on the dark side.  However, mistakes don't automatically turn humans into monsters.
To some extent Sirius’s story represents the consequences of war.  No-one is protected; the whole families could be wiped off the face of the earth. It’s a simple yet profound idea. It correlates with the main idea of hp books far better than the ‘abusive psychopaths’ (there are already Voldemort and Bellatrix - there is no-one who can beat them in this department).
All I say - it’s okay to imagine them bad if you want- your right - but don’t write everywhere that it’s canon because it is not.There is no need for such inflexibility especially when it comes to the fandom - a place where everyone should be welcomed and their views on the books be respected.
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bigscaryblueberry · 3 years
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(OK, I think I feel ready to elaborate now... Major Chapter 2 spoilers, as well as some spoilers for what I’m planning on my blog, under the cut. Please do not read it if you haven’t played through Chapter 2 yet. And if you have played through Chapter 2, I will ask you to proceed with caution if you liked the antagonist of the chapter, as I have some... Criticisms.)
(OK, so first of all, it was great to see Spade King again! His personality felt very close to how I interpreted him, too! Like, it wasn’t just Spade King... It felt like it was MY Spade King. It made me so happy... But that aside of course, with it being revealed that Card Castle physically became the classroom and therefore “disappeared” upon closing the fountain, not just teleporting you back to the Light World, that puts a huge wrench in everything I’ve done on this blog so far, purely because my blog took place in Card Castle’s basement after the fountain was sealed. So, my solution... Unfortunately, it might just have to be the old “it was all a dream” cop-out. I know, I know, it sucks... No one likes this trope, and I don’t like having to do it. But it’s the only way I think I can progress logically without having to reset the whole blog and start over from scratch, which I never ever want to be forced to do. And if it’s any consolation, Spade King’s character development will remain intact from the memories of his dream, and his previous answers will not be retconned either (although answers involving other things that happened after his imprisonment, such as Lancer giving him salsa and being allowed to brush his teeth while caged, will also just be part of his dream). He will lose all gifts given to him, sadly, but that can’t be helped.)
(That being said, I am still confused by this revelation, since some dialogue in Chapter 1, particularly from Seam, implies that Card Castle and its inhabitants existed and lived their lives before the Knight came and created the Dark Fountain. So I don’t know what this implies, or how it will affect my headcanons for Spade King’s past... I will have to think about this for a while.)
(Now, the... More unfortunate thing. I was naive in assuming that “the Kanotynes card queen designs are unused” meant that card queens wouldn’t be appearing at all. Because lo and behold, the elephant in the room... Queen. She’s... Weird, really. Not really a true spade. She has a human nose, no belly mouth, and her eye isn’t even spade-shaped! And she’s a robot. So I guess she’s not truly a Spade Queen, but she’s still clearly meant to be similar to them, somewhat... This... Really made me upset, actually. She’s basically the embodiment of everything I was certain Toby Fox WOULDN’T do for the Queen that Jevil spoke of, and yet here we are... And adding insult to injury, Lancer calls her Mom at one point. I don’t understand how she could be his mother, considering everything I just mentioned about her... And she doesn’t even live in the same Dark World location, and would apparently turn to stone if she was in Card Castle instead since that is not her native area. So how the hell...? Man. This has got me really stressed. I had a whole divorce backstory for Spade King, involving my own Kanotynes-based Spade Queen design with a vastly different personality, and now that’s potentially all going down the drain, unless Queen is intended to be separate from the playing cards and not Lancer’s real mother. Or, if Spade King and this canon Queen are also exes, then maybe I could salvage some of my original idea, but... It’s so unclear right now... Ugh, I really just hate this character so much. I actually feel somewhat betrayed by Toby, I trusted him. I thought his worldbuilding and characters would be so much better than this. And I don’t want to make an AU over this, not when I was so adamant on staying true to canon. But I thought I was going to like the canon, so what am I supposed to do? I’m really confused, and honestly heartbroken too. Apologies to anyone who enjoyed this character. Maybe if things turn out ok, then she could grow on me. But as of right now, I just didn’t like it... I’m sorry if my criticisms seem harsh, but I want to be honest about my opinions.)
(Overall, I’m still trying to sort everything out right now, so it may take some time. It might also take a while for me to get back to answering asks, even before I put my timeskip into action, and I might not answer quite as many of the asks in my backlog as I originally planned before the timeskip, as now I think I’d rather save most of them for after the timeskip instead, depending on the context of the question. Apologies for the inconvenience, I hope you understand.)
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Your picture of Navani and Raboniel is nice, but seems to be drawn as if Raboniel desires Navani, which does not make sense. The books clearly state that only Singers in mateform and dullform feel lust. Fused do not. Your art should reflect that.
Oh anon, first off for some reason your wording was HILARIOUS to me last night, thank u for the laugh and also the chance to talk about Fused sexuality headcanons that my followers would have been free from otherwise!
On a serious note, I get where you’re coming from! And I have some thoughts on that which are purely my headcanon and have no definitive textual basis (especially because Brandon Sanderson, of all people, is not going to come out and say one of his Fused characters felt horny. Could you imagine? Lmaooooo), but which might show in my art.
I could be wrong, as it has been a while for me, but Fused forms are granted by Odium, yes? And we know what Odium is essentially ‘god’ of, and desire is among those. Remember when he reveals himself to Dalinar in OB and all feelings of rage, passion, sorrow, and lust within are dialled up so high he nearly passes the hell out?
It was the scream of a thousand warriors on the battlefield.
It was the moment of most sensual touch and ecstasy.
It was the sorrow of loss, the joy of victory.
And it was hatred. Deep, pulsing hatred with a pressure to turn all things molten. It was the heat of a thousand suns, it was the bliss of every kiss, it was the lives of all men wrapped up in one, defined by everything they felt.
— Oathbringer, chapter 57 (which is very originally named Passion)
Based upon that, I believe that Odium has equipped the Fused to feel lust within the forms he has granted them, allowing them to feel the full range of everything he feels he has dominion over. HOWEVER, it is not foremost, and easily exceeded by the overwhelmingly intense feelings of rage and grief that have gripped the Fused for something like a whopping 10000 years. Most Fused probably ignore it entirely, some may even outright resent that Odium would equip them with something that will not help them achieve their goals, and it would be a mild-at-worst distraction to few, in the wake of what drives them. But Raboniel had the chance to get to know Navani. Together they accomplished so much. Navani surprised her.
(My memory is bad, but I also only recall us reading from the direct perspective of one Fused: Lezian, mid-tantrum. His POV isn’t really the best indication of how all Fused feel all of the time imo.)
Also, even barring [raboniel voice] lust, I recall no mention of singers being any less capable of falling in love than humans. From my understanding of psychology, though I am no expert, a person capable of love cannot suddenly lose that, no matter what they have gone through. When I read RoW, it felt to me like Raboniel came to love Navani, and vice versa, though they may not have understood that beyond accepting that they are to each other what no one else can or will be to them.
That being said! I am not trying to say you are wrong! This is how I have interpreted the text, and will continue to until we have something more concrete. If I have missed a WoB, or forgotten a relevant point in the books, I am happy to be wrong and do respect canon. If it makes you uncomfortable, that’s understandable, and you are welcome to unfollow/block/blacklist. Tumblr should be fun for you. But these are my thoughts on this, at this point in time.
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radiosandrecordings · 4 years
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There’s the person in me who loved psychology before I dropped out of that class and the one who currently studies moving image who really wants to run some kind of study on how fandom interprets things.
I’m gona take The Magnus Archives as a point of study for this. Say we have four test group:
Group 1 has watched every episode of TMA as it came out, episode one to two hundred as it airs, the full four year+ timeline. They have never interacted with the fandom and do not know anyone in real life who has listened to it.
Group 2 has also listened in real time, but interacts with fandom and talks about it regularly, consuming fan content like art and fics
Group 3 did what so many did and have binged all four seasons available to them before catching up and listening to season five in real time. They do not engage with fandom.
Group 4 does the same as group 3, but engages with fandom in the same way as group 2.
Readmore in case you don’t want to read 1000 words of me talking about media. 
I really want to see how this shifts their interpretations of canon. My theory being, group 1 would probably have the clearest view of canon by itself, while group 4 would have the most warped. I’m not saying any of these have better interpretations the source, just that group one would view it more clearly as it was presented in its original format
The thing that prompted this was the treatment of the character of Martin Blackwood specifically. He’s one of if not the most popular character, and is often simplified in fan spaces as the soft, caretaking love interest, or in some interpretations popular in fandom during the airing of the fourth season, the ‘sassy gay’. I’d really want to test how much of that interpretation comes from canon itself, or how people warp canon to fit how they want to view the text. 
I think it’s kind of similar of english class. Your teacher hands you a copy of Mice and Men and you read the book. As you go through, you discuss only what is in the text. You read and re-read the book until you have a good enough view of it that you can recall facts from memory and write an essay on it. What you don’t do, is read half the book, spend two months talking with your friends about it and reading and writing fanfiction about Lenny, George and Curly living on their ranch, just to be horrified and call it ‘OOC’ when somebody dies. 
Back to the study of TMA, Martin specifically is a character who has grown and developed a lot over the four and a bit seasons the show has been running. At a certain point halfway through the series, it becomes clear that he has a romantic interest in the protagonist, and this is later reciprocated. I started listening to the show during it’s season break, with S3 being finished and S4 about to release. At the time it was implied that Martin had feelings, but it was unclear if this would be further expanded upon in canon. I want to know how far fan opinion of him differs from before and after this event, and further when his feelings are returned and the relationship becomes canon. Did the establishment of him as a romantic lead create a softer view of him in the listeners mind?
This is prompted by the fact that, after the relationship became official, his actions have been under much more of a microscope from fans than previously. Things that would be brushed off before, especially if said to another side character, are now scrutinised when he says them to his partner. Would this view be shared by someone who listened to the show in isolation, or is it purely a construct of a fan base who are more used to their own fan comics and fic of him where he’s the soft, doting boyfriend who would never offend his partner? 
Because he has said things previously that are similar to how he is acting now, as episodes are released. He has been impulsive and inconsiderate with his words and missed cues in conversations, such as impulsively trying to touch some plastic explosives, or not getting a piece of self deprecating sarcasm and pointing out that the protagonist had just referred to himself as an idiot. This is where I would want to examine group 4 specifically. As people often listen to the whole four years of backlog in as short as a week, they often miss details such as this. They power through the source text, and then spend a longer amount of time immersed in fan interpretations, and my theory being that this long exposure overrides their memory of what his actions are in canon, and instead give a fan’s mental picture of him more of a fan created personality. They are more likely to remember something when it’s included in ten different fanfictions they read, all bouncing off each other, than an episode they listened sandwiched between two other episodes. 
Fan headcanons are also a slippery slope, because often you can end up with things being perceived as canon which have little or no basis. This is usually all in good fun, but chasing rabbit hole after rabbit hole from au to headcanon to interpretation can often create something entirely indistinguishable from the source (Hell, remember the Onceler thing?). Plus, the creation of one interpretation of a character that inspires another will spread if it gains enough popularity, possibly even seeping down into the bare bones of the fan base until it’s somehow everywhere. An example of this is the almost always used design for the protagonist as a south asian man with long, dark hair, glasses and a largely green colour scheme. Someone with no fandom knowledge like groups 1 or 3 would have no idea this popular design for the man exists, but it is likely whenever listening to the show, groups 2 and 4 would picture a variant on this base design. 
An added aspect of groups 1 & 2 that 3 & 4 don’t have is the fact that they get time to sit and theorise between episodes, whether alone or with a group respectively. When listening to a backlog like 3 & 4 you don’t need to sit and go ‘I wonder why he said that?’ because you can move on to the next episode and see why. 
Basically, TL;DR: It’s here’s my hypothetical proposition for a psychology/anthropology study on how people’s perspectives on a media are shaped by the nature of how they consume it, focusing on the timeframe in which they consume it and their exposure to outside influence. 
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I'll be honest about Annilis, I love him and his sympathetic background AS well as his awful approach to keeping Hec-tor safe, because he's probably in some legitimate danger but he took it too far. I love HP, but I also wanna beat his ass too. Just grab him by the ears and yell, "What are you doing you idiot sandwich?!" I just wanna ask him "Are you even happy? And no getting pegged by a Shade isn't happiness." Don't want him to die though, only because it's a cop-out for actual punishment.1/2
2/2 That's what kinda bummed me on HP in-show, he did so much horrible shit, was an arrogant living "God", and he was just killed? That easy? HP's hubris was grotesque and he deserved a worse punishment than just a lightshow to the face. HP was also a non character in the end and whatever characterization he did have was lost quickly, gonna admit. But, an arrogant jerk dying that quickly is too easy a punishment, he has to suffer the consequences of his actions and experience his loss in detail.
sorry I'm sending you so many asks about HP. But dear God did the show drop the ball on Horde "supposedly endgame villain who was woefully underutilized until the last minute and even then was handed the villain ball to make sure what credibility he did have was lost" Prime. Could have been great, his story was there, but Crew-ra wasted time on frivolous characters(star siblings might have been cool but s5 needed to work on its existing characters, not introduce new ones)and wasted plot points.
I actually have done a ton of analysis on why prime just doesn’t work as a villain for pretty much six months now. Like I started doing this pretty much the day that the finale dropped cause I never liked S5 at all. There’s just much wrong with it, strictly from a narrative prospective than I cannot get over it, which I why I’ve kind of retreated into doing Fuck Canon aus. And I don’t think the major problems plaguing prime is that he’s a bad person or a cult leader or whatever, that would be fine. This is a matter of set up and pay off. This is a matter of narrative structure. Those are my major problems with everything about this.
Anyway, I guess we’ll try a flaccid attempt at positivity, just to make it clear that I am not coming strictly from a point of view of hate… the one thing I remember liking about prime is that creepy dinner scene. Loved that scene, I was so giddy when they dropped it as a teaser clip, and I got to enjoy it in peace for like a day and a half before my love for the show went crumbling. Prime is absolutely on his game in that scene, I can very clearly see his mind working, because my interpretation of the scene is that he’s trying to bait glimmer into giving him information. Did he actually intend to harm adora? Who knows! Does it matter? Not really, considering he got the information he wanted, which was what was needed to work the heart. I can feel the tension in that scene, that is how he should have been for the rest of the season.
So what the fuck happened? *cracks knuckles* well let’s see shall we.
Foreshadowing It’s Fun Cause It’s A Thing I’ve Heard Of
So I think we all remember just how shocking it was when prime actually showed up, and he wasn’t anything like we’d all come to assume he’d be based on what had been said about him up until that point. What we had been fed was essentially that he was cold, calculating, and didn’t look upon “defects” well. He saw the clones as disposable. And they set up that aspect of his character just fine, and I don’t have a problem with how that was set up.
What they utterly failed to properly set up (and even contradicted themselves on) was the cult thing, and how prime is essentially this messiah figure to the clones. I highly suspect this occurred because they were writing the show as they went along, and hadn’t fully fleshed out prime’s whole deal until he actually appeared at the end of S4, but that’s just my own speculation given some of the things that had been said in interviews regarding other aspects of the writing (namely that micah was apparently not supposed to be alive in the first place and that happened because of a miscommunication between noelle and one of the other writers).
Regardless, there are a number of things that should probably have been done differently in order to properly foreshadow prime’s cult leader status, that actually would have heightened hordak’s characterization as well. For one thing, there’s a reason we all assumed that the galactic horde was merely a military program and it’s because of how hordak acts throughout the first four seasons. We can talk in circles about headcanons until we’re blue in the face (i.e., he might have memory problems), but the fact of the matter is that those are headcanons and that hordak’s entire narrative changes from one of an ableist family to one of a religious trauma seemingly on a dime come the very end of S4 when prime shows up.
imagine how satisfying the foreshadowing would have been if hordak had actually been spouting dogma the entire show (i.e., “cast out the shadows” and “all beings must suffer to become pure”) only for it peter off once he’s befriended entrapta, if he had been calling those who he respected brother/sister instead of force captains (which is a far more militarized word to use, and judging by the galactic horde isn’t even a term they use), if he had still been dressed in his uniform and only actually started dressing differently after entrapta had helped him? Hell, he never even so much as implies that entrapta is leading him astray before he’s back with prime, he doesn’t even seem particularly distressed about being around her most of the time, and the only reason he even gets persnickety with her is because of his medical condition.
One point I’m going to expand on for a moment is the whole “brother” thing, because that is actually a very good way of explaining what I mean. Now, hordak doesn’t actually mention any other clones at all from what I remember. This is contrary to all of the clones in S5 referring to each other as “brother” pretty openly and it being seen as a term of respect. However, the only person that hordak actually calls “brother” up until S5 is prime, and this inadvertently ended up making the word seem far more neutral than it should have been considering the context of S5. The word “brother” is actually a control tool, and if they had wanted to establish that sooner, hordak should have been calling anybody he respected that.
So, either the writers hadn’t actually thought of that part of the narrative yet, or they’re just that bad at foreshadowing.
There are also three instances of the narrative contradicting itself with regards to prime, one in S3, one in S4, and one in S5. The first is that hordak wanted to make a new body for himself. While one could argue that this was meant to be foreshadowing that prime takes new bodies whenever his old one failed (which is fine, that works as foreshadowing), the act of hordak admitting that he was intending to do that is what actually creates the snag. With the context of S5, we learn that becoming a vessel is meant to be a place of honor, but this comes with the caveat that it seems like only prime is allowed to take new bodies. So why the ever living fuck would someone as “pious” and “unworthy” as hordak think that was something he could ever be allowed to do, much less that prime would welcome him back with open arms if he did it. But there’s zero hesitation on hordak’s part, he doesn’t even mention that this is something usually only reserved for prime.
The second is that prime literally looked at the heart of etheria and said it was “unlike anything [he had] ever seen” despite canonically fighting the first ones, so he’d presumably have recognized the energy signature that first one’s tech gives off and be like Oh Shit. This one in particular drives me absolutely nuts because if I was writing a villain who had lived long enough to fight the people this mystical weapon was created by I would never write them saying that what the actual fuck. My gripe here is not that prime is ancient, that’s fine, I could’ve vibed with that. But the fact that he not only fought the first ones but also recognized mara is really egregious in a way that borders on parody for me. Like what a flimsy excuse for him to be connected to adora (and we’ll get to that!)
The third and final one is that hordak was allegedly thrown out for his defects. That’s what we were told, that’s what a major facet of hordak’s trauma is centered around. However, at the same times, prime seems like… oddly fixated on hordak in a way that usually implies something deeper is going on here. That was why I was so convinced that hordak wasn’t remembering something clearly, because why would prime spare him instead of killing him immediately after returning if he was defective enough to warrant being thrown out? Come S5, prime seems to have forgotten about the pesky little plot detail that is hordak’s defects, since they never come up again! Nope! Hordak is not only completely healed of his ailments (which Can I Get A Yikes?) but he’s also been welcomed back to his original position as prime’s right hand by the mid-point of the season, and he stays there until the finale unless the plot demands he be elsewhere to interact with entrapta cause hordak was added in post. You can’t even argue that he was keeping hordak alive because eThErIaN kNoWlEdGe because he has those fucking mind chips. Literally every single person he’s chipped is connected to the hivemind because of that. He’d have every single bit of knowledge that he could possibly want right there at his fingertips. He doesn’t need hordak alive at all.
Which brings us to…
It’s Almost Like He Wasn’t A Villain To The Proper People
The thing about villains is that, in order for them to not feel out of place, in order for their defeat to actually give a true feeling of satisfaction, you kind of have to put them up against the right people. The reason that prime ultimately fails in this respect is that he is not adora and catra’s villain, despite the narrative pushing him as that…
I actually once joked on twitter that if the rise of skywalker had come out when S5 was being written, then prime would have likely ended up being revealed as adora’s long lost grandfather in some attempt to make his fixation on her seem warranted. That’s the level we’re at in terms of how connected the two of them appear to be for the villain and hero thing. They just are not connected, and prime has absolutely no reason to be this fixated on her. They tried to explain it with she ra and prime being old enemies, but that’s equally as confusing because a) mara hadn’t mentioned him up until that point, b) this inclusion actually makes the first ones creating a superweapon look justified since prime is such a huge threat, and c) she ra is explicitly stated to have been on etheria long before the first ones even colonized it, so why the fuck is she just gallivanting around the cosmos fighting cult leaders?
And to be clear, if this whole prime versus she ra had actually been hinted at, I would not be taking so much issue with this. But as there was absolutely zero mention of him, it just comes off as egregious and very, very sloppy on their parts.
Prime also should not be as fixated on catra as he is, that doesn’t make sense at all. I know why this happened in particular, though, and it’s because the writing team was so in love with her that they just had to give her this arc. That just makes its inclusion all the worse to be honest. Why does he go to such great lengths to use catra to torture adora, why does he go into a total breakdown after catra escapes? He isn’t connected to either of them…
… because he is hordak and entrapta’s villain.
that prime didn’t immediately want entrapta dead continues to confuse me to this day, nearly seven months after the fact. Like you mean to tell me that this cult leader, who is presumably used to complete obedience from his followers, finds one of the wayward members of his proverbial flock lost on some backwater, who didn’t want to be found, and he knows exactly who is responsible for sewing those seeds of discord in this poor lamb’s head. And he doesn’t immediately want entrapta dead?
Not only does prime never mention her, despite it being very easy to push a plotline about how it’s necessary because she’s perceived as a danger to the rest, and especially to the poor lost soul who was ultimately returned to him. Instead, prime just doesn’t seem to realize entrapta exists. He doesn’t know who she is despite literally reading hordak’s mind. He doesn’t even seem to interpret her as threat considering he wasn’t worried about putting her and hordak right next to each other in the finale. He should have been using hordak to torture entrapta, and he should have had his break because hordak escaped him. That whole scene where catra is under mind control and adora was trying to snap her out of it was textbook entrapdak. Hordak should have been the one to delve into the hivemind to help adora. It was his story and it was taken from him when he was sacrificed on catra’s narrative arc altar.
And this is ultimately completely fixable. Because they had a villain they could have been using for adora and catra the whole time. Shadow Weaver. Y’know, their mutual abuser who was the main cause of strife between the two of them, and the person who kind of set the plot in motion since she’s the reason catra is the way that she is?
He Blew It. Super Hard. Complete Buffoonery.
Ultimately one of the biggest writing fumbles with prime is that he is just really fucking dumb as the plot demands, and it doesn’t make any kind of narrative sense for him to be that way, it is literally just him being at the mercy of the writers who need him to do something stupid so they can push the plot forward since they made him too overpowered for it to happen any other way.
There’s numerous instances of this across the season, including him bringing entrapta aboard the velvet glove when the very person he would have had very good reason to not let her near is standing right there, and him deciding to give catra pretty much free reign of the velvet glove and seeming to decide to trust her despite him knowing damn well that she’s likely to betray him the second he does something she doesn’t like, and the time he literally left adora to be beaten by catra instead of just killing her outright when she couldn’t even activate she ra. And in all these cases he had the fucking nerve to seem surprised when it happened?
However, there is one plot point that I feel illustrates how goddamn stupid he is to move the plot forward, and it’s the mind chips.
I mean one of the reasons I dislike it is going back to how little foreshadowing the writers actually seem capable of committing to. There is nothing to indicate in the narrative that prime actually employs mind control on anybody besides the clones, and this becomes especially egregious when we later meet the star siblings, and we find out that there are large swathes of the universe that are seemingly not chipped? It just screams like they needed some type of angst plot point for catra, so they had to find a way to make it work.
But the very inclusion of the mind chips as a plot point makes prime look so ridiculously dumb, because we are told those chips connect people to the hivemind, we are explicitly shown this for catra angst. So a) why does he need hordak around at all, because the excuse he needs to know about etheria doesn’t work since he literally chips like half of the etherian population later on anyway, b) if he needed information on the heart of etheria, why didn’t he just chip glimmer outright, it would have saved him a lot of time and hassle, and c) if he knew damn well that catra had betrayed hordak numerous times and was likely to do the same to him, why didn’t he just immediately chip her so he could mitigate two problems. If he had chipped catra immediately, he wouldn’t have lost glimmer, and it would have been next to impossible for adora and bow to storm the velvet glove through the means that they did.
When your main villain is that fucking stupid, the tension is completely sapped out of your narrative, and prime doesn’t have enough character unto himself to continue holding up his own arc. He is a sexy lamp cardboard cutout that just happens to be brought onto the scene when they were in need of someone to throw the idiot ball at. Prime is supposed to be this thousand year old body hopper who has the wisdom of the ages, and yet he was defeat by a group of teenagers driving a clown card held together by nothing but duct tape and prayers.
Anyway!
Guess Who Just Got Murdered!
Anon, I completely agree that the way prime got taken out was just… hm. Well, it was a choice, given how they had written the rest of the season.
I’ve said this before, but I really wish I could actually enjoy hordak yeeting him, but I just don’t feel anything. That scene is a culmination of an arc that never happened because hordak was barely on screen for S5. It feels like we’re missing this whole season-long arc about how hordak managed to break free of prime and was actively working against him, and that scene is the lowest point, right before the greater scope villain is ultimately defeated by the protagonist. Which just furthers my point that prime is really hordak’s villain, because hordak reads more like a protagonist than I think the writers actually intended for him to.
Since you mentioned anillis, I feel the need to comment on him as well, because I do know exactly what happens to him at the end of my au, because I actually planned for his ending from the beginning and built his arc towards that point. The very bare bones spoilers is that he isn’t going to die, because a) he needs to live with the consequences of his actions and b) him dying would affect hec-tor horribly, especially since if anybody had to deal the killing blow it would be hec-tor. And hec-tor doesn’t deserve to be forced to do that. He wants freedom, he doesn’t want his brother dead by his own hand.
So, I completely agree that just killing prime off feels a little… like a cop out? I’m not going to get into a discussion of how he was defeated by the power of (romantic) love because my issue there is not with the trope itself, but ultimately how it was handled, and that also has to do more with my grievances with how catradora was ultimately handled than my grievances with prime. However, him being like… exorcised…
Well it sure does clean up some loose ends that we don’t want to discuss huh?
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which characters are trans this is a scientific inquiry
all of them except vilgefortz and leo bonhart
ok ok jokes, ill go more in depth... some of this is taken from things ive written before but not posted. also for anyone reading this im non bee nary so know that im not trying to describe the experiences of different identities in first-person, i’m basing this off of both my own and my friends’ experiences... none of this is “OMG YES CHARACTER ANGST >:))” but rather depicting personal struggles in fictional characters, so just know that  the more difficult subjects that may be covered are not there just to see the character in pain, but rather to think about their eventual resilience against it and development afterwards
for geralt and yennefer i have more specific reasons why i think being transgender actually fits with their canonical characters & related story arcs, and then for the rest i have headcanons and maybe some reasoning but not a lot.
geralt: geralt already represents how a struggle with toxic masculinity and expectations of masculinity can influence one who wants to be seen as masculine to deny and bury their emotions. him being trans develops upon the aspect of his struggle with emotions, ive seen my friends who are transmasculine / myself when i used to ID as transmasculine struggle with showing emotions bc of feeling like you’re going to be misgendered if you shed a single tear. in canon, we already learn that kaer morhen has a bit of a macho culture (just fyi eskel and lambert and coen are trans too now, don’t go getting any idea that those guys are cis) and i believe that the “witchers have no emotions” thing is like 5% actual biology and 95% being raised to fight and not to feel. vesemir is a good father but he just wasn’t very emotionally nurturing, it’s the caste’s way of raising kids that geralt breaks out of.
i think geralt’s self-image also speaks a lot to the feelings of harsh internal transphobia. he constantly others himself from others and feels like people view him as different, which is metaphorical for any marginalized group under the sun, but also is very common for lgbt ppl. again this is smth ive really struggled with within the past few years so im just projecting/know what it feels like and feel that how geralt sees himself in canon is similar to a view suffering from internalized transphobia.
geralt's character already redefines manhood because he has to learn what it means to be a good father. and i think him being trans would be representative of his constant learning and growth as a person, yet also somewhat involved with his self loathing and feeling like just Him Existing is an affront ... but of course he unlearns this with time and love from others and all of his character development
yennefer: yennefer’s whole backstory revolves around defining who she is and defying the people who mistreated her and told her she was nothing. canonically yennefer of vengerberg is the story of the successful self-made woman... her life as janka she would rather forget, no one calls her by that name, and no one ever would because its not who she is nor who i think she ever was. 
shes incredibly strong-willed and knows what she wanted from life but some things are terrifying to reach out for, like love and acceptance. yennefer has a conflict with love and being loved because that was never a safe topic for her ... (also sapkowski handled this specifically poorly imo, but:) yennefer canonically struggles with being loved for who she is. i think she deals so much with her previous abuse and again, expectations from parents, and coming to terms with the fact that she survived it all. also this isnt even touching upon her arc regarding motherhood. wanting to give a child your everything and everything that you never had... the love and kindness that no one gave you...
ciri: ciri hesitated to ever identify with “girl” or “boy,” she’s also i think the representation of childhood in general, she’s naturally curious about gender presentation as she ages and just never really cares to commit to gender. i think she’d say she was a girl but only reluctantly bc she just doesn’t care much.
dandelion: [from his TV Tropes page:]
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he’s an artist and a musician, he’s not gonna be cishet...
ok in a more serious context i think he’s a nonbinary guy, i think him being trans might explain why he has way more friendships than relationships with family members. dandelion, like yennefer, is also someone that had to define who he was for himself, i mean for one his stage persona of dandelion is entirely an artist’s creation/hyperbole of himself, i think he also had to think abt his inner identity too
his gender is also just “your friend that comes to your house and eats all ur chips and drinks all ur beer and passes out on top of you on the couch”
milva: ok unfortunately i currently think milva is the token non-trans friend (she’s nonbinary just doesnt think of herself as trans) but it’s only because her major arc in baptism of fire revolves around her pregnancy and miscarriage and just bc she is not trans doesn’t mean she doesn’t go through her own difficult struggling process surrounding her womanhood. she struggles enormously throughout the series and in her backstory with defining herself between two rigid identities: the feminine maria and the cutthroat milva. in her talk with geralt, she reveals how she feels trapped between these two identities and feels like they cannot coexist. i feel like she’s a nonbinary/gender non-conforming butch* lesbian whose struggles with sexuality intersect her struggles with gender and what it means to her to be a gnc woman. also you have to consider that milva was raised in a small village in lower sodden so she understood gender in the very strict roles ascribed to men and women, so she felt like she couldn’t be a woman unless she was this very traditional idea of what a woman is “supposed to be like,” which she’s both been trying to shape herself to be and also running away from simultaneously. she learns to accept herself within the hansa bc they love and support her for who she is, and she doesn’t need to be strictly feminine or masculine to be understood by them
* i know the terms nonbinary and gnc and butch didn’t exist in the 1260s tyvm, i’m just saying this as how i interpret her in a modern context
regis: gender is a human sociological construct so basically don’t ask him unless you’re prepared to listen for 20 minutes. vampires can exist noncorporeally so they can exist without gender, also i hc the telepathic vampiric language is nongendered as it’s a transmission of pure thought, will, and force, so it doesn’t even use any grammar. i also hc that vampires just appear the way they feel in terms of appearance and age (e.g., regis at around 300 when he died still looked 25 bc he was as stupid as a 25 year old, now he’s calmer and understands more, so he looks middle-aged). when chilling out with humans regis will be referred to as a man bc that’s just how he appears but it’s an identity he had to learn about and adopt, not something he was assigned. most vampires look androgynous anyways bc they just feel androgynous, how are you gonna feel a gender when you don’t know what a gender is... if you HAD to understand him with human labels / put it in a modern context (like if i was making an modern real life AU) i’d say he’s a nonbinary trans man. 
cahir: much like geralt i think cahir’s story is one of living up to expectations, but cahir’s actually takes it a step further because his major motivation in his backstory is trying to prove to his mother that he can be a good son that will make her proud and gain honor for the family... he seeks validation from external sources but faces ruin when he learns that war is not the way to prove one’s prowess and skill
angouleme: shes trans and i simply say so bc shes very cool and funny and i dont think a cis person could be this cool and funny. also i think the story of a runaway teen who was abandoned by her biological family and found solace in a new family is both very good and featured in a lot of trans ppl’s narratives. she kind of exudes this “im finally at a point in my life where i’m safe and cared for, i can start HRT now, let’s gooOOoooOOooo” energy. 
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i dont care if this gets posted, but it’s very hurtful to see a blog dedicated to a Hetero version of a lesbian couple. I assume you yourself aren’t a lesbian and don’t understand how much this is upsetting to see. I just stumbled upon your blog at random. I know a random user isnt going to change your mind and you’ll probably delete this immediately, but please try to understand. Lesbian erasure is very real. This contributes to it. Bonny and marcy are in love. Appreciate it for what it is.
I want to explain this calmly and carefully because I don’t want my words misinterpreted here, because i’m unfortunately incredibly used to people such as yourself getting incredibly angry and insulting towards me without actually being allowed an opinion myself on the matter.
People take one look at my blog and think “Oh, i must be homophobic, i must not accept marcy and bonnie together, i must not accept lesbians”. and it’s frustrating for me because none of that is true but it’s always anyone’s first assumption to think the worst of me instead of actually hearing me out or anything I have to say.
for one, i do perfectly accept them, i just don’t personally ship them myself, i’m not mad they’re together and i’m not angry people ship them, they’re simply not a couple i’m personally all that into. I ship a lot of stuff in AT (Gay and straight alike), but I was never that invested in them, and unfortunately that part of the fandom turned me off entirely from them because i was HEAVILY attacked from that side of the fanbase for having other ships with those characters and having a few issues with the relationship at the time  (The show was still airing).
I had friends ditch me, i had harrassers, i got death threats, the ship became entirely tainted for me and harder to enjoy because it became associated with a lot of negativity for me.
It is not a simple matter of me not accepting them, or not liking gay ships, because i’m fine with them and i got noting wrong with them being together, but i don’t think I have to ship or enjoy a ship that is unfortunately connected with so much negativity and was the reason i was highly attacked and tormented in the fandom for years.
 Plus that doesn’t mean no one else is allowed to ship anything else either, i don’t entirely think it’s fair to say people who don’t ship them are all homophobic unaccepting people, some people just prefer other ships, i mean, you don’t have to like them but I also don’t think people should be witch hunting people who have no ill intent.
Cause here’s the thing, i kinda personally treat the F&C characters as their own respective characters, I don’t really treat them as pure GB and nothing else, i’ve always kinda seen them as characters within their own right.
They got different hobbies, different ways they handle situations, and even entirely different backstories to some degree. I mean, these guys were made by the ice king, they’re his creations and come from his imagination, and i feel treating them as carbon copies is a little unfair when so much behind them is not an actual representation of the F&J characters.
They’re fanfiction characters, they’re like making ocs based on your friends, except they’re coming from the ice king who has a very warped mind at times when it comes to making his stories so they’re almost like representations of how he sees these characters more then anything
And unfortunately i just might be the only one who sees them this way, if they were pure GB characters who were exactly like the others you’d have a point, but how the show handles them and the changes they make make me feel like they should be judged as their own characters rather then just being GBS and nothing else to the fans.
And personally, I have my own sexuality headcanons for the characters too, personally i hc marcy as bi since she’s the one you’re mostly bringing up, i mean you can totally hc her as lesbian if you want, my hc is personally that I see her as bi.
Since her sexuality as a lesbian is a headcanon, your headcanon, you could see this as erasure, but because it’s not my headcanon, I don’t see it that way.
I could claim your statement is bi erasure, because there are people out there that do treat bi and pan people as lesser in the lgbt group if they’re in relationships with the opposite sex, as if that somehow makes them less bi/pan if they aren’t dating someone of the same sex.
But that would be stupid, because you’re allowed to have your headcanons and so am I, i’ve seen people headcanon her as bi and lesbian, so it’s pretty common to see both ends. 
And both ends are valid, but neither should be saying the other is “Wrong” for the other’s interpretation.
i def think she’s into girls, but I see her being into multiple genders as well, but that’s just me, that’s my personal interpretation for her.
Trust me, i easily could’ve deleted this, but luckily you’ve been the nicest person whose been into my inbox on this matter in while and I think I’d be better off explaining where I stand rather then you and other people getting the wrong idea about me.
It’s so easy in this situation for people to assume the worst of you, but i genuinely have no ill intent, i just headcanon the sexualities of the characters differently, see the GB characters differently, and I’m not into marcy and pb because the fandom bullied any interest i may of had out of me.
marcy and pb are exs on this blog, like, canonically, they were dating, I didn’t remove their romantic relationship from this blog, it has been acknowledged and brought up several times.
I can tell you have good intent, and don’t get me wrong, if i was doing exactly what you were saying I was doing and had nothing but bad intent i’d get it entirely.
But the situation is not what it appears to be, and I wish more people asked instead of assumed.
 If you enjoy them a lot, then good for you, more power to ya, they just aren’t my thing and I wish i could be allowed to say that without being branded as something i’m not.
I just don’t think i’m ever gonna get passed how that fandom treated me, it’s just how it is.
And maybe you’ll say this is a big ole lie and i’m exactly what you’re claiming I am, but this is how i feel about these topics and I just would like to be allowed to have these opinions without being forced into a box.
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Was Fumus always like this when only a few years old? Or did something happen during Fumus's early years to make Fumus change?
Oh man this is a deeper query than it seems.  So…it’s a literal can of worms.  I’ll talk about canon Fumus and myinterpretation separately, because I don’t want people to get confused who readthis.  
When it comes to canon Fumus, it could literally beeither.  It depends on yourinterpretation and what you think he signifies. If you go into what he represents (smoke) and take it into biblicalaccount (something some of DSP’s deities are based on, and I am inclined tothink Satanick and Fumus may be as well if you take into account Satan (moreprecisely Sataniel) is another word for Lucifer and they are regarded as thesame being in some religions but that is another rant for another time) smoke inthe bible is associated with wrath, something Fumus seems to be synonymouswith.  He uses his abusive ways as meansof corporal punishment for his angels.  
If you take into account Satanick clearly represents lust,then you could safely say Fumus is wrath. Upon doing further research there is a little known smoke youkai calledEnenra that he may also be based off of but there is little about it other thanit can take the form of a human and appears to people who are pure ofheart.  This is only a minor theory andit has little basis other than Fumus is quite…odd for a god, has a devil as abrother and is associated with smoke.
Taking these things into consideration, he might have justbeen born this way and has always been cruel and wrathful.  I doubt we’ll get any clarification on thisat all.  If we do it will be very, veryfar away from being revealed unless DSP decides to shock me.  
Now, if you take this into a psychological aspect (as I havein my other posts/theories about this because I believe people aren’t just bornevil, or what is marked a such), then I think he twisted into something cruel,cold and apathetic towards most things.
Fumus and Satanick are, at their core the same archetype –sadistic rapists who like abusing people. I know there was once the question of – which Pitch Brother is worse?  Most people would immediately jump to Fumus,and I know exactly why.
Fumus is stone cold, he hasn’t shown anything else besidesbeing a ruthless, domineering man, whereas Satanick has a charismatic attitudeand underlying depression that makes him seem more dimensional andrelatable.  By nature, most people haveempathy and when a character shows empathy or has empathetic aspects peoplefind themselves throwing sympathy at that character.
But, to be honest it makes Satanick just as bad because hehas a seemingly friendly and relatable exterior that can lure people in.  Remember, Satanick ensnares people with hischarm, its part of his seductive nature. It makes him predatory, and that is just as bad as someone who is stonecold.  It doesn’t matter what someone’snature is if they both fundamentally do the same thing. They are both equallydangerous in different ways.
As I have stated in my The Distortion of Fumus post, thereis a chain of abuse in Pitch World that is very noticeable.  Fumus abuses Satanick, then Satanick abusesIvlis.  Also, Fumus abuses Chlomaki, thenChlomaki goes on to do the same thing to Lobco but in a lighter sense.  It’s a theory and one I will stick by untildisproven on, but I think that more than likely Fumus has had this kind oftreatment as well.  The only stonewall Icome upon in this theory is whom?
I don’t know.  That’swhy this is a theory, but Fumus has several attributes of an abuse victimturned abuser himself, but that is in my other post so I won’t explain ithere.  That post was a whopping 1,000+words and this one so far is going on 700 so I don’t want to make it a monster.
Fumus is canonically a sadist, meaning he has sadisticpersonality disorder.
This disorder is characterized by cruel,aggressive, manipulative, and demeaning behavior directed towards others.Abusiveness and violence are common in the sadist's social relationships, because the sadist lacksconcern for people and derives pleasure from harming or humiliating others.
Excerpt from psyche-net.uk.com.
More specifically, Fumus is this type of sadist (yes theyhave subtypes I’m going #deep )
Tyrannical Sadist
This type of sadisticpersonality is counted among the more cruel and frightening of all subtypes asthey seem to really relish their acts of brutalizing and menacing others. Itappears that forcing their unwilling victims to submit and cower provides themwith some special feeling of satisfaction. This type of SPD is similar to someextent to the explosive sadist. However, the tyrannical sadists are even moremethodical and precise in their actions. They are not trying to release theirpent-up frustration like the explosive sadists, but they aim to use violence asa means to inspire fear and intimidation. Another important difference betweenthe explosive sadists and the tyrannical ones is that the tyrannical sadistschoose their victims quite carefully to make sure that they are not going tostand up and fight back when they are attacked. The tyrannical sadists normallyhave a low self-esteem and several inner insecurities that they try to concealfrom the world. In order to do this and feel superior, they often overwhelmothers by their behavior.
I feel this makes most sense with Fumus’ broody, introvertedpersonality and the fact that he doesn’t care about anything outside of PitchWorld and Satanick.
There are no clear causes for someone to be sadistic, but it’shighly speculated childhood abuse will make you that way (and this has beenproven with Satanick, as he mimics Fumus’ behavior).
This is basically the core essence of his character, thepoint dsp tries to drive into your head with his art and description, but alsoI think he is more than likely a sociopath as well, because he has no empathyat all from what I have seen.  He canhurt people so freely without a thought in the world and is stone cold aboutit, things that are very well grounded in sociopathy.
No one knows what causes someone to be a sociopath either,and it’s also speculated it can happen from abuse.  I’ve also talked about this in my other postas well.  This is getting long it’sliterally at a thousand words.
But tl;dr has canon Fumus always been this way?  Man, we just do not know.  Lack of information or even hints prohibitsme from being definitive.
The way I headcanon my muse is that something happened tomake him that way as I am going off of my theories for the most part via rps.
I hope this long ass answer got my point across, although itprobably seems muddled as hell.  I triedanyhow.
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