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gffa · 7 months
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What are your thoughts regarding the “Lost Twenty” of the Jedi Order?
I think it's significant that the Jedi not only create busts to remember them, but display them in the library where anyone can walk right by them--a reminder to everyone, adults and children alike, that it's possible to leave the Jedi life and that path is perfectly valid, the Jedi won't stop you, they'll remember you fondly. When Jocasta is talking with Obi-Wan about Dooku in the deleted scene, she literally strokes the bust of him and speaks with such a fond smile about how his politics took him on a path away from the Jedi:
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Or there's a scene in Dooku: Jedi Lost (Disney supplemental canon, so take it as you will) where Yoda and another Jedi Master are walking a bunch of children through the Archives and they ask about the busts. Yoda takes the time to point out that asking about the Lost Twenty is a good thing for the kids and speaks highly of them, that many of them went on to become leaders of some kind, some chose to teach, but most simply vanished, and the whole scene is speaking well of all of those choices.
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The Jedi aren't ashamed that some Masters chose to leave, they're not afraid of teaching their children about that even, which says a lot about how they're not forcing this life on others, how they're not trying to hide that other paths are available for Jedi, they're supporting that. And I like that it's specifically the Lost Twenty Masters over the course of their history, because it makes sense to me that there would probably have been far more Jedi who left as younglings or even Knights, when they were still figuring themselves out, because being a Jedi takes a huge commitment, that's one of the things Star Wars as a whole emphasizes, that the Force and the Jedi way is a very serious thing, it takes a lot of dedication, it's not just a whim. And being able to touch and use something as powerful as the Force should require a huge commitment, especially because of how it works based on your thoughts and feelings, you have to be mentally stable to use it, that's literally just how it works. But by the time you're a Master, you've had time to really consider your life, you've had time to question whether you really want this, you've had time to commit yourself truly to this path--and you can still leave! They'll still give you a bust in the library! It just doesn't happen very often because, by that point, a Master would have been asked to undergo several Trials to make sure this is what they want, to make sure this life is right for them, and given a lot of time to consider it. So, that we know the Lost Twenty were a thing in the Jedi Order, that it was significant enough to include in the worldbuilding and specifically how it was included (in a positive way), says a lot about who the Jedi are and how they treat those who leave. I mean, look at Dooku in AOTC, Mace and Ki-Adi-Mundi spoke positively about him right up until he was revealed to be a Sith Lord, because they trust Jedi who decide this path isn't for them. And if you go by Padawan (and possibly Tales of the Jedi), Dooku was STILL VISITING after he chose to leave:
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Not only that, but he was there to talk with the Council because they still valued him:
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Or in Tales of the Jedi, he was there during the events of The Phantom Menace because he asked Qui-Gon about the Sith he ran into, showing that he was still welcome:
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He was also there after Qui-Gon's death, by which time he was already under Sidious' tutoring, so he would have had to have left the Jedi by the time of Qui-Gon's funeral:
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Take Disney era canon as you will, of course, but even without it, the Lost Twenty speak well of the Jedi and how they treat those who decide to leave, even the ones that have spent decades committing themselves to this path. The Jedi are open about how you can always walk away, you can always change your mind. They ask that you be serious about it, but they make sure even the younglings know that it's always an option!
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marvelstars · 4 months
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Anakin and the Force Lore
There´s a strong belief in fandom which takes for granted that Anakin was some violence inclined jock who only cared for lightsaber training without caring or getting deep into the lore of Jedi beliefs but I belive this take is wrong because canon doesn´t support this.
EP I Anakin asks Qui-Gon what a midiclorian is, how the force works, he asks Yoda what it means to be afraid and it´s interested in knowing what a chosen one is supposed to be.
In the Obi-Wan and Anakin comics he explains to Obi-Wan he sees the Jedi and the Sith as two parts or clans of the force because of their mutual origin and that they have the same problem of comunication as the people the were trying to help get along, "the open and the close" who had been fighting the same war for so many centuries that they didn´t remember why they were fighting in the first place but there was a lot of hurt for them to stop.
This may sound naive but makes sense for the jedi the sith are dead people walking with no hope of getting back to life but what the story shows us in the end is that there´s a possibility even for sith to get back if they chose to do so. The Sith are shown in some cases like Maul or Vader and even Sidious as the result of generational trauma and grooming that do evil but even them can come back.
We see Anakin talking with Padme about Jedi philosophy on EP II and actually give his own take about compassion being unconditional love which is his way of mixing his Mother guidance with Jedi beliefs.
He teaches Ahsoka the meaning of Yoda sayings and how to complement their Jedi formation with the natural worry for their men and fellow Jedi in a war. Searching to help the most people they could.
When he married Padme he knew he had to leave the Jedi Order after the war was done because they didn´t allow marriage and he wasn´t going to ask them to change this rule for his marriage and he truly wanted a life with Padme, be her husband and built a family with her.
In ROTS he wasn´t interested in the master and council post, he told Palpatine the Jedi were tired of his reforms but Palpatine imposed it on him and the Council.
What he didn´t like was the way the Council rejected him once again, showing that no matter what he did in the war for the Order or the Republic, they didn´t trust him. He tells Padmé "The Jedi Council doesn´t trust me" which is a call back to the time he was 9 and was rejected, not "The Jedi Council didnt make me a Master" his only interest in becoming a Master was getting access to the Jedi library to see if there was something there to help save Padmé.
Imo fandom listens too much to Obi-Wan´s expressions about Anakin only "thinking with his lightsaber" Obi-Wan loves Anakin but he also teased him a lot and sometimes he was also a jerk to him, Anakin was a person who honestly got into the lore of Jedi knownledge to learn their ways and understand their pov´s and even as Vader he didn´t believe the Jedi Order beliefs were wrong, he believes they betrayed their own beliefs but this doesn´t mean he doesn´t accept at least to himself, that he betrayed them.
As Vader he went so deep into the lore of the Sith he could travel in time and learned to use elemental forces as well as the link between life and death. He learned the relationship between master and apprentice and actually told Palpatine he didn´t see the need to keep the rule of Bane if that meant he had to kill him. He also developed a closer relationship with the force because he needed it to live and breathe.
No matter the side of the pendulum, Anakin simply wasn´t some brute who cared about knowing how to fight and nothing more, that´s a bad read on his character, he was very intellectually involved in matters that excited him or he felt he had a responsibility to learn.
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antianakin · 16 days
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So this post has been floating around my brain for a bit https://www.tumblr.com/coupleofdays/746467882552180736/in-the-republic-commando-books-author-karen?source=share
where op mentions force induced HRT. What are your thoughts on the idea? Do you think the jedi even considered bio sex as important considering their luminous beings who don't really value crude matter as much? Granted, Star Wars doesn't really handle gender issues that well, but the core of jedi beliefs seems to be firmly based on ideas that are very pro-lgbtq and anti-discrimination. Sorry if this is out of your usual area of expertise, but I figured you know a lot more jedi lore to confirm if it's accurate
I wouldn't consider myself a massive expert in Jedi lore or lore about the Force, but Karen Traviss's books are pretty non-canon at this point, so we have to start from there.
Force healing is something of a controversial topic as some people feel like it makes a lot of sense for them to be able to do it given what ELSE they can do and other people feel like it makes the narrative a little nonsensical to introduce the concept of healing with the Force when we never see Jedi in Lucas's canon being able to utilize that skill even when it would be pretty helpful to do so. Obviously the Sequels chose to bring it in, but they were able to sort-of give the caveat that these two people were the ONLY ONES who could do it because they had a dyad which gave them access to additional power for healing or something like that. The Mandalorian then also tossed it in where it was used in a more GENERAL sense, so at this point you can argue that it's canon in Disney's canon, and more specifically it's canon to the Mandoverse canon. But it was not and has never been a part of Lucas's canon.
As for what the Jedi would've actually thought about things like being transgender, I firmly believe the Jedi were very open-minded about all of those kinds of things. The Jedi are the most diverse organization in the entirety of Star Wars, bar none, and like you mentioned, they have a focus on who a person is beyond "that crude matter" of the physical body. Yoda says something similar to the clones in episode 1 of TCW where he tells them your eyes can deceive you and that, regardless of what they look like, they are each different in the Force. We see the Jedi consistently respect the clones as individuals throughout TCW, too, indicating a respect for the clones' personhood that goes beyond just what their body looks like. We also know from TCW that the Jedi encouraged the clones' "independence" and expressing their individuality, which we see includes things like different hair cuts and hair colors, different painted designs on their armor, tattoos, etc. Among their own members, we see plenty of differences in personal expression among the Jedi, too, from hair styles to clothes to tattoos. The Jedi are demonstrated within higher canon to be very accepting of how people choose to identify themselves and don't see the physical body as the primary defining trait for a person's identity.
I also honestly find the concept of transphobia and homophobia in the GFFA a little ridiculous given how normal it is to be interacting with multiple different alien species, some of which aren't even really humanoid at all. So while I imagine the Jedi themselves would be quite open-minded about all of this, I tend to headcanon the GFFA as sort-of free of transphobia and homophobia just in general. There's never any indication that it exists in higher canon, which is primarily due to a lack of any representation in higher canon and straight being the default, but there's no indication that Vel and Cinta are treated differently or have to hide their relationship specifically due to homophobia.
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high-fantasy-sw · 1 month
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Heroforge: Jedi (Part One)
I'm back- with JEDI! Well, actually, only about half of them. I still need to make a few (like Kit Fisto, Quinlan, Barris, Jocasta Nu, etc; they're going to be in another post). But I think you'll enjoy who I have so far!
Also. I forgot to do honorifics for the Clones, because this is a fantasy world, and everyone has honorifics. Mea culpa, I'll edit that post as soon as I'm done with this one, so you can go check that out if you want.
Tagging: @whyoneartheven @anime-obsessed @majorproblems77
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Sir Anakin Skywalker, the Valiant. His lightsaber is a dark-blue greatsword, with the Kyber Crystal embedded in the pommel. I chose it to represent the facts that his attacks are very aggressive but leave room for little defense- as it's a two-handed weapon, he has to defend by using offensive measures. (Also, it's a double-edged blade. *coughs in foreshadowing*.) In addition- his prosthetic arm is an enchanted golden gauntlet, to reference Clone Wars (2003), because I am a sucker for Clone Wars (2003) as much as I am a sucker for The Clone Wars (2008).
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Sir Obi-Wan Kenobi, the Noble (alternatively: the Silver-Tongued). Okay, shut up for a second and let me nerd about his lightsaber. You may notice that he fights with a sword-and-shield combo. This is to reference his mastery of Soresu, a defense-heavy form of lightsaber combat. His crossguard- in which is embedded his light-blue kyber crystal- and his shield shape also reference the Jedi Crest. (And his hair is dark red because I said so, that's why.)
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Squire Ahsoka Tano (later to be granted the honorary title of Lady Ahsoka the Perseverant). SHE'S FINALLY DONE! As you can see, she's differed slightly from her original concept (which I will link here)- her headscarf is now blue, and she has a different skirt (which I realize you can't see in the original picture, but I assure you, it was different), which I changed to match the simpler tastes of the Jedi (sidenote: as you will see, Jedi do have a loose habit, or the uniform dress of a monastic order, but padawans are allowed to be a bit more liberal with their clothing because they are not fully professed members of the order yet). For lightsabers, she wields two Togrutan daggers with the kyber crystals embedded in the pommels, just like Anakin :) Since she dual-wields, I thought it would be more practical for them to be shortblades, so she doesn't accidentally slice herself; her fighting style is still highly acrobatic, just like in canon. ALSO! Her facial markings! I mentioned in the original sneak peek that I'd be writing lore on the different races, because most of them are just different human cultures in this AU, so I'll expand on those now! Togruta have a rich tradition of facial painting (and later tattooing, when a child comes of age) and each Togruta wears a unique pattern that blends elements of the markings of their family. Since Ahsoka is a Temple Youngling and thus doesn't remember her family's markings, she made her own based on the family she found in the Jedi Order. Her markings on Heroforge don't exactly match up to her canon markings but this explanation would work in either universe: her cheek markings represent Plo Koon and resemble the horns on his helmet; her forehead markings resemble Anakin's lightsaber, because he taught her to stand up and fight for herself and others; and her eyeliner markings represent Obi-Wan and how he taught her to be observant to the Force and to always look with empathy towards others.
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Archprior Yoda, the Wise. Sci-Fi creatures are actually quite easy to adapt into fantasy creatures- I just gave him hooves, horns, and a tail. The most intersting thing I want to point out is that he wields a fencing rapier as his lightsaber (you can't see it in these pictures, but his kyber crystal is in the pommel)- and, as you'll see when I post his pictures, so does his apprentice Dooku. Yoda's habit also has some additional accents, to denote his status as Archprior.
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Sir Mace Windu, the Eternally Stressed Just. Mace might just be my favorite redesign, because LOOK AT HIS ARMOR! It's all tinged purple, and his pauldrons and gauntlets are lionesque, referencing his creation and mastery of Vaapad. Additionally, and I know you can't really see it from these angles but trust me on this one, he wields an executioner's sword. These have a blunted end as they were not supposed to be used in combat, and Mace wields one to represent his statues as an arbiter of justice >:) This means he has to be extremely skilled with it to make it work effectively. His kyber crystal seems to be embedded in the pommel, but in actuality it runs all the way up the blade. This was for no particular reason, I just thought it looked cool.
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Sir Plo Koon, the Compassionate. His helmet is meant to reference his canon counterpart's head silhouette, and these helmets are a mark of pride for the Kel Dor- they're passed down through the paternal line and can be thousands of generations old. So, not exactly like Children of the Watch Mandos- they're not forbidden to remove their helmets, but they rarely do, to show pride in their lineage. Also, Plo wears a Wolfpack pauldron and a wolf fur cape, because he is a proud father :) His lightsaber has its kyber crystals embedded in its hand-guard and the base of the blade.
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Sir Ki-Adi-Mundi, the Insightful. Much like the Kel Dor, the Cereans have familial helmets, but they aren't necessarily heirlooms, and they're matrilineal- each Cerean will make his or her own unique helmet against the pattern of his or her mother. (Kel Dor, Cereans, and Togruta are all fiercely tribal- it's speculated they share a common ancestor culture.) He wields a dark blue cutlass, that burns light blue, with its kyber crystal in the pommel.
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Lady Shaak Ti, the Merciful. Like all fully-fledged adult Togruta, her facial markings are tattooed, and she wears a horned headdress over her headscarf. In addition, she wears a cape (to mimic her much longer, adult lekku). Her skirt features the same braided detailing as the braid on her headscarf, and she wields an aquamarine-colored scimitar, with the kyber crystal in the crossguard.
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Lady Aayla Secura, the Forthright. She wields a violet-blue shortsword, with the kyber crystal making up the pommel. She also wears the traditional Twi'lek kerchief. (I'm sorry there's not much to say about her, I haven't deeply explored the Twi'lek culture in this AU yet. I'll have more probably when I do my Rebels set.)
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Lady Luminara Unduli, the Honorable. She wields a seafoam-green blade with the kyber crystal in the crossguard. Unlike Togruta markings, Mirialan markings are completely personal and need not bear any resemblance to one's family's markings. They are, however, still tattooed. The front panel of her skirt also boasts a traditional Mirialan pattern, in the same metallic colors as the metal of her Mirialan gauntlets. (I think now is a good time to mention that, as you may have seen, while there is a habit enforced for the order, individual Jedi are allowed- and in fact, encouraged- to also import features of their traditional dress into the habit. So while they all wear similar clothes, the colors, skirts, shoes, and armor/jewelry/facial markings are unique from Jedi to Jedi.)
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Bonus: The Disaster Duos (I would have made a singular one with all three of them, but Heroforge is stupid and won't let me do that >:( )
I hope you enjoyed! Questions and comments are always welcome, and I'd love to hear them! They really help with characterization and worldbuilding, but more importantly, it makes me so happy to know you enjoyed! Next week, I'll probably have the Villains to post. I'm looking forward to it!
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cosmic-herbal-tea · 2 years
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As in most jobs, you're not there to be well rounded and happy, you're there to function. It reminds me of guinea pigs. When they get sick, they pretend everything is fine, so they don't get excluded by their group. I don't think it's just simply Anakin not wanting to talk about it, he's also in an environment that specifically told him: If you're not functioning the way we need you to, you can no longer be with us. Pairs well with abandonment issues. While I think you raise a point with the Jedi having more resources than we think, etc. I still want to add: The Jedi don't take on children just because they want them to have the best life they could get (like maybe a parent would want for a child). They want these children to become the best Jedi they could be. Of course this involves mental health as well, but the goal is different. -- @corbygoesart
Okay much of what you said is unequivacolly false.
Being a Jedi isn't just a job; it's an entire way of life and is considered a religion in-universe. Tarkin literally has called it such since A New Hope.
For all this talk of Anakin being excluded, It's really weird how in Star Wars: The Clone Wars animated series, they do the exact opposite. Anakin has gotten praise, support, and the respect of fellow Jedi such as Adi Gallia, Luminara Unduli, Plo Koon, Yoda, etc on screen. Even with his hestitance in fully trusting Anakin, Mace actually respects Anakin's skills as a combatant and general. And they sure get along just fine in the series without actually hating each other contrary to fandom's belief.
And finally, you're intentionally framing the Jedi taking in and raising children in any manner to be inheretly negative. Are you gonna say the same thing for Mandalorians when they take in foundlings? Are we gonna question how people in real life religions do the same thing? Conversely, is Mandalorians teaching their own biological children to be Mandarloians okay? Why is that accepted or not? How about people who teach their children their culture/religion/way of life in general, biological or otherwise? What Im saying here is that being taught a certain way of life at a young age is not a form of manipulation by anyone inheretly.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with Jedi taking in children and making them Jedi. They can trained them to be the BEST Jedi they can be AND want the best out of them. The two are not mutually exclusive. I chose Mandalorians because that's the easiest, next best known example but what you describe is literally done within any culuture revealed in Star Wars and in general.
Point here is that Anakin didn't want to talk about his issues and it wasn't beacuse he was trying to meet any sort of expectation. I'm really tired of people inserting a whole new non-canon. Anakin didn't like talking about his problems in general and that's understandable. Anakin also did have something to hide that would get him kicked out: massacaring Tusken Raiders and marriage with Padme.
Out of the reasons Anakin did not seek help, it had little to do with some made-up expectations of the Jedi nor does it relate to being in a certain kind of enviroment. I feel arguments like this just want to scapegoat the Jedi when you have a far better scapegoat who intentionally made him think he didn't need anyone's help but their own (Palpatine).
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dinluke-ao3feed · 2 months
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Recruitment
Read it on https://archiveofourown.org/works/53911594 by WCTsummer Luke is forably recruited to the new Jedi Order. His first mission is to save a young Force sensative child before boundy hunters can get them. Din Dajarin, reluctant Mand'alor to a the growing Mandalorian Empire, gets to the child first. When Luke hears that the Jedi Hunting Mandalorian's have the child, he fears the worst. Words: 1228, Chapters: 1/?, Language: English Fandoms: Star Wars - All Media Types Rating: Mature Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings Categories: M/M Characters: Luke Skywalker, Din Djarin, Kelleran Beq, Ahsoka Tano, Cere Junda, Cal Kestis, Merrin (Star Wars), Jocasta Nu, Gungi (Star Wars), Quinlan Vos, Grogu | Baby Yoda Relationships: Din Djarin/Luke Skywalker Additional Tags: Luke Skywalker Needs A Hug, Soft Din Djarin, Good Parent Din Djarin, New Jedi Order (Star Wars), Trauma, Whump, Slow Burn, That's Not How The Force Works (Star Wars), Not Canon Compliant, Nightsister Magic | Dathomir Magic (Star Wars), Action/Adventure, Tenderness, Bureaucracy, Mand'alor Din Djarin
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thecoffeelorian · 6 months
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Firstly, my thanks to everyone who showed interest in this spooky tale. Back when it was nothing but a plot idea, I wasn't really sure if I would ever get farther than that...but however! I got the burst of inspiration I needed, and so, here is the first of two installments. Have a happy (and early) Halloween!
Title: Come Little Children Chapter: 1 of 2 Characters: Omega (The Bad Batch), Mother Talzin (The Clone Wars) Premise: If every Force-sensitive has an equal chance of becoming Jedi or Sith...then, perhaps, could every dead Force-sensitive have an equal chance of influencing the living...? Special Notes: I am taking faint hints from the first two seasons and rolling with them faster than an eighteen-wheeler during rush hour traffic. In other words, there's a rather important reason that Omega chose to use a pink energy bow and ride a Rancor...;)
P.S.: This is, indeed, the sequel to Overwatch. Tags: @ur-pal-ari @swarovski-yoda @skellymom @talesfrommedinastation @ilovemedia @flyiingsly @random-chaotic-bitch @groguandthebadbatch @wastingstarsss @themightychipmunk42 @c-ch-v-r @lee-lee-la
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That night, when you've settled down enough to get some sleep and your dreams no longer cry out for Tech's return...you're no longer in Mount Tantiss. The hard, cold walls and your even harder bed have vanished, and for the first time in about a week, you can move in any direction without feeling several sets of Imperial eyes upon you.
The trouble is, you're not back home on the Marauder, either, for nothing manages to enclose you just enough to give you any sense of security or safety.
In fact, you might almost think that you're not anywhere in the Galaxy now, because this strange red haze and even stranger landscape is nothing like any of the other planets you've already visited.
Except...this has to be some kind of planet, because the ground beneath your feet, however desolate, remains solid as you begin walking forward. The air may barely be breathable to you, yet you feel its natural heat just the same. And in spite of there being no water in sight, you can still feel the humidity seeping slowly through your clothes.
And finally, you're not alone down here.
It's a faint sort of light waiting for you in the distance, a somewhat eerie green glow that just barely lights your path--and yet, though this is the very first time you've seen it, seen this entire planet, even--you find yourself moving toward it just the same. You can't exactly explain why, let alone try to put into words what it is you're feeling, but there's just--something about that flame, something just the slightest bit familiar, that very nearly feels like home to you. A home that you've never seen until this moment, of course, but still a home nevertheless.
This feeling grows a little bit more as you stare through the haze and see someone waiting by that flame, someone which at this distance looks to have some kind of tattoo upon their face.
No.
No, wait!
It's not just any old tattoo, or face paint, or makeup. It's the one that you love, love, LOVE the best because it belongs to your Buir!
And wouldn't you know it, he's come ALL this way to this whatever planet to bring you home!
Oh, but of course you're running to him now. Any other girl would, especially if she had been in trouble before, but realized that help had finally come. Hera could have done it before, and maybe also Lyana, though hopefully they were on solid ground just like you, because here is your chance. Your chance to let him know you're back, that you're okay--no, not just okay, but totally unhurt--and that he doesn't have to worry about you any more.
Not like he must have done before on Pantora, or Bracca, or even on Ord Mantell after some mean old lady just had to run her mouth, because that's all over now. He won't have to worry about Cid, or that nasty Hemlock, or even Crosshair this time, because you've somehow convinced him to run away from this place with you and he's already promised to deliver.
This means, obviously, that all Hunter will really have to do is help the two of you slip out. Maybe you'll just have to sneak back in through whatever door brought you here, push Crosshair out of it, and then the three of you can finally--
You stop.
You stop because there's something different about Hunter--no, because there's something wrong about him, or something wrong not about him after all, because now you realize that your Buir was never here to begin with.
Not at all.
That's not him sitting there, waiting for you.
That's someone who's way too thin and yeah, way too tall and--and he's, no, she's, the feeling of her presence hits you long before you can think to turn around and run because now she sees you, she knows you're here, she's uncoiling herself like those hooded snakes you've seen around that ipsium mine and her cold green eyes are upon you.
CHILD…
They're staring right into you and through you, two glowing orbs of bright green, the very antithesis of Tech's warmer yellow goggles that shielded the brown eyes beneath. She's slowly rising to her full height and she is monstrous, curious, unspeakable, both human and beast simultaneously.
A thousand words you learned from Tech flash through your mind at the sight of her, at the very thought of her, because she's all spikes and silk, she's alive and dead, she's solid and liquid at the exact same time, and she must have you frozen in place where you stand.
Frozen, trapped before a great house of dark wood, or temple, or altar, or even a mix of all three and none of these at all, because your mind is blank.
You can no longer speak, no longer think, and strangely want to do both at once, because--because even though the words just won't come out and you're shivering in place, sweating in place, no idea what to do--you're also sure that you've had enough, that all you want to do is just scream yourself awake and leave her and everything else about this planet behind--but she's not done with you.
...NOT. YET.
Instead, she must only be getting started, because...because that's when she brings a gray, skeletal finger to her lips, her eyes narrowing with some wordless sense of knowledge, recognition, or some other faint sense of memory...and you feel the very air you breathe get knocked out of you.
HUSH.
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ladystoneboobs · 7 months
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got prequels on the brain lately, and i think i can explain padme in rots, even if it might not be exactly what lucas was thinking of. see, it's not just that she loves her husband and wants to believe there must be still be some good in him, it's also that she is now not just anakin's wife, but the mother of his child(ren) too. like, literally about to pop right as obi-wan/yoda have decided anakin needs to be killed. she doesn't feel she can stay on coruscant anymore as a senator under the emperor's reign, she was already doubting doing that job as a working mom. then she learns the jedi have all been deemed traitors and their order outlawed, while she's carrying offspring very likely to be highly force sensitive since the force itself is pretty much the paternal grandfather there. so, she herself is a potential political target as someone who opposed palpatine's war efforts from the beginning in a more public way than bail organa or mon mothma, and her child(ren) would also be targeted just for existing as potential jedi before ever really using the force against the empire. being a single mom to outlawed and untrained but very powerful l'il jedi while the both of you are being targeted and hunted down on the run/in exile without the skills really needed to protect any jedi child, that's just a no-go. her only anti-palps and anti-anakin alternatives would have to include never being a mother after giving birth, whether going into exile alone somewhere or wearing a mask and playing the long game like bail organa. (even if he still adopted leia as in otl, how much time could she really spend with her without drawing more suspicion from palps? how painful would it be to watch someone else raise your child while possibly never even knowing if your other child is ok?) in that sense, knowing how wanted that unplanned pregnancy was, is it any wonder that she chose to make a last attempt to save their family instead? to run away with her husband, who happened to be the only man strong and powerful enough to protect them all from the empire, the only man she could trust and wanted to trust, with the safety of their whole unsplit secret little family. so it is only after he refuses to run away with her, when he insists that he's only interested in using his new dark powers to protect her, and when he reveals that his only idea of defying palpatine is to replace him, making padme into a new dark empress, a dictator rather than the public servant she once thought she could be, only then that she starts feeling he may just be lost to her after all. but when you've gone so far together already, brushing off his first massacre, marrying him mere days later, and then truly tying yourself to him permanently through pregnancy, it's really too late to ever go back to your ol' "normal" life either.
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buckybarnesss · 5 months
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This is probably the most inflammatory thing I've said in a while, but
Something really bothers me about the insistence that Deaton is a benevolent force of good, when the proof is that he is helpful to Scott.
And he is helpful to Scott. Just like Peter can be helpful to Derek. The problem with both of those is that, generally, they are ONLY helpful to Scott and Derek, and always have plans and schemes of their own.
Scott had no choice in who his emissary was. He didn't know WHAT an emissary was. Deaton positioned himself nicely there. He showed Stiles how to use mountain ash and then was like "actually, nevermind."
Does this mean Deaton is an evil sleaze? No. But that doesn't mean he's aboveboard. He lies and manipulates, he just happens to favour Scott.
As I write this out, I think it's the insinuation that Derek is just an untrusting asshole and not someone who is more attuned to recognising an adult man who is pushing a teenage boy to do things that maybe he wouldn't do normally. IE, the mountain ash thing at the end of Season 2. It didn't help in the fight against the kanima. It didn't even kill Gerard! It just... was a shitty thing that happened.
I know people say that it's fanon that Deaton had any involvement in that, but uh. Scott didn't pull mountain ash out of his ass and distill it into pill form.
Sadly, I think that moment + the true alpha thing happening in quick succession kind of made us divide into different camps, and now we're fighting the same war forever, but I think there's wiggle room here.
Deaton isn't evil but he isn't a paragon of virtue. Scott is lionhearted but self-righteous. Derek is slow to trust, but once he does trust, he's loyal. No one on this show is perfect.
I will, however, always support Derek Hale's wrongs.
you are so right.
fandom tends to divide it self into these all or nothing dichotomies that does such a disservice to the story and characters.
the whole scott versus derek debate should've been left behind in season 2. season 3 spent so much goddamn time on them moving past it. the entire episode of frayed was dedicated to the scott and derek relationship, you know.
derek wasn't even like mad about scott becoming an alpha either. scott merely wasn't his alpha just like he was never scott's but they had accepted that by that point. if anything derek was proud of scott.
besides scott becoming a true alpha and derek giving up his alpha status to save his sister was them both being at different places in their character arcs but also when you look at the hows and whys of it all they both were manipulated into it. for different reasons.
peter and deaton mirror and foil each other in interesting ways.
deaton is such a fascinating character and a prime example of doyalist versus watsonian perspectives.
he is so enigmatic in-verse because he was used mostly for exposition and lore drops by the writers but in turn this made the character very reserved, careful and calculating. he keeps his own counsel.
early in season 1 stiles is jealous of derek acting like scott's "yoda" but all the while deaton slips into the position of being scott's mentor. he becomes the obi-wan without either derek or stiles noticing. deaton definitely shares old ben's "from a certain point of view" philosophy.
i know people have been weird about deaton over the years in unpleasant and let's be real here racist ways which is unfortunate and dumb. he isn't evil. he just has his own motivations and agenda which is a good thing because characters are flat and boring otherwise. like yeah it's frustrating that deaton didn't tell derek he was talia's emissary but wow look at that character conflict, look at the added depth to deaton and to the lore in one decision.
i really am looking forward to my rewatch so i can dissect his character and pay more attention to him because i have thoughts about him and his sister marin.
i think one of my favorite things about deaton is that he chose scott to be the chosen one in a way. look at currents when deaton tells scott what a true alpha is.
deaton: it's rare-- it's something that doesn't happen within a hundred years. but, every once in a while, a beta can become an alpha without having to steal or take that power. they call it a true alpha. it's one that rises purely on the strength of character, by virtue, by sheer force of will. scott: ...you knew this would happen. deaton: i believed. from the moment I knew you were bitten, i believed.
and i love the contrast to marin saying in alpha pack:
"and I sent her to do what I've always done-- maintain the balance"
to deaton's regression of the mean:
deaton: gave you ever heard the term "regression to the mean?" scott: no... deaton: it's a bit of a technical way of saying things will always even out. scott: like, things will always get better? deaton: more like... things can't always be bad. scott: so, no matter how bad things get-- deaton: --or how good-- scott: they always come back to the middle.
they both want balance but don't seem to agree what balance looks like or how to achieve it.
i cannot wait to pick his character apart.
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This week’s Ahsoka episode unfortunately reignited those tiresome “Jedi child soldiers” accusations in the fandom and of course demonizes the Jedi. What are your thoughts?
Honestly, I thought it was fine. I get why a lot of us have had our nerves scraped raw by fandom constantly harassing us and trying to scream us into bad faith arguments on stuff like this, so I'm hardly going to wag my finger at anyone feeling further scraped raw by this, but genuinely didn't bother me because the show never blamed the Jedi for the position they were put in, hell, Anakin even basically defended it. I get it, it's Felony, we're used to often assuming the worst about him and who knows maybe it was meant as an indictment, but it genuinely didn't come across that way to me and, further, Filoni has proven himself to have drifted far enough from Lucas' core narratives on enough subjects that he now has to prove himself every time to me before I take his word of god commentary into consideration, so if he tries to say otherwise, no he didn't goodbye felony. And, yeah, fandom has been demonizing the Jedi with this, but there's nothing some people in the fandom won't use to demonize the Jedi with, so I'm not going to live my life anymore by what bad faith actors have to say, and instead focus on what's in the show. Where, in the show itself, Ahsoka is a child put into a war that the Jedi never wanted for her, but it was literally fight or die. Lucas even says that that's the quandary the Jedi are put into, that it goes against their morals to get into a war, but it was either compromise on that or everyone dies. When Ahsoka asks, "What if I wanna stop fighting?" the answer is, "Then you'll die." I saw that as a straight line from what Lucas said was the point of putting the Jedi into the war, that it's a shitty position for them to be in, it's against their principles, it's what led to their deaths, but it was that or everyone dies. What kind of choice is that? So, that's the context of Ahsoka being 14 here (as well as we have to remember that Star Wars is a story for children and having younger protagonists is to give their audience a character to latch onto, not everything is a "child soldier" just because a young kid is fighting, GENRE TROPES EXISTS OUTSIDE OF THE NARRATIVE), it's not "the Jedi didn't care about their children", it was "the Jedi were desperately trying to save lives and they weren't perfect about it because NOBODY CAN BE PERFECT and we shouldn't try to make people be perfect because that only leads to disaster, but it still hurt to watch". Ultimately, the point of the episode was that Ahsoka chose to keep fighting, chose to keep fighting to live, chose to accept Anakin's words about how death and destruction were part of her, but she was more than that, too. The show specifically says she's more than that through Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Qui-Gon. The show says that she's more than just a soldier through having everything of all those Jedi in her. For me, that's pretty Jedi-positive, to have Ahsoka come to her choice to live by having her Master say, yeah, Vader's part of us, but so are the rest of the Jedi, and that's what allows her to rise above everything she's been struggling with. Ahsoka was a soldier as a child, but her entire culture is part of her, and her entire culture was more than just soldiers, she was a Jedi, she had thousands of years of Jedi putting all of themselves into her, she has their philosophies, their art, their rites, their customs, their words, their history, their compassion, she literally has their thousand-year-old Padawan training droid with her. The whole point is that the Jedi were forced to be soldiers and that hurt like hell, it created a terrible scar that they'll always carry with them and their legacy, but that ultimately the Jedi Order is more than that one war. Anakin and Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon and Dooku and Yoda are more than that. And Ahsoka is more than that, too, because she is all of them and more, just as any Padawan she may take will be all of them and more, too.
And that's so Jedi, that's why teaching is so foundational to who they are (and I love that that's why Ahsoka gets so hurt by Anakin's joke about how teaching isn't all it's cracked up to be, it feels like a dig at her specifically, but it's also part of the theme of how over and over and over we see how much Jedi LOVE teaching as a fundamental of their entire culture), that you pass on what you've learned, that every Jedi who comes after you is everything you can give them and then more.
I love that so much!! And fandom acting in bad faith about it isn't going to take it away from me!! 😂
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Rebels Season 1 Rewatch
Let's start off with Rebels being an awesome show. It was a major part of my life ever since I was 14 (which was when Season 3 came out), and I remember actively checking the library website daily when Season 4 came out, desperate to reserve it or get on the waitlist for it as early as possible. It was the first show I was immensely invested in, and as such it holds a special place in my heart. So, I decided to (FINALLY) rewatch it after all these years, and wow am I not disappointed
I've always defended Season 1, saying it's not as bad as people say. Sure, it's got a lot of issues, and it's definitely not the best Rebels has to offer, but it's at least good. I think I underappreciated it last time I watched it though. The show is clumsy, but only because it fails to balance being a kids show with being a deep show with complex themes like the Clone Wars did. Each individual episode was good, everything built up to a satisfying finale, and characters were fleshed out really well. I can't really complain too much about it because quite frankly, it's only fault is experimenting and trying to be something amazing
But, there are two changes I would make to Season 1 if I got to redo it. And it's worth noting that neither would change the overarching plotline, and most episodes would remain as-is, they're more minor changes that would've had a much stronger impact
Ezra Isn't Kanan's First Padawan
This is the biggest change I would make. Kanan has renewed hope by the start of Season 1, and he's fighting hard, so it would've been cool if we had the show hinting at a former padawan prior to Ezra. In Episode 10 "Path of the Jedi" when Yoda and Kanan talk, have Kanan admit he's scared of failing Ezra like he failed his other padawan. Leave the other padawan's fate ambiguous of course, so you could potentially bring them back. Likely as an Inquisitor for the Ahsoka show so that you don't have to use an animated suit of Inquisitor armor. This would add so much depth to Kanan's pain and trauma, and it would add a lot of gravity to Ezra's training for older audiences, but for kids it would just be a cool fun fact about Kanan's past
2. Kanan Taps Into The Dark Side
In Episode 15, we get the finale, "Fire Across the Galaxy". Ezra saves Kanan, and the two end up facing off against the Grand Inquisitor. This is an epic Star Wars battle, and it shows off the Grand Inquisitor's power, as he defends against opponents on either side of him. He gives Ezra his iconic cheek scars and knocks him off the platform. Ezra's fine, of course, but Kanan (and maybe a couple of audience members? But that's a stretch lol) believes Ezra was killed.
K: "That was a mistake." GI: "Why? Because you have no one else to die for you?" K: "No, because I have nothing left to fear."
EPIC leadup to Kanan tapping into the Dark Side, but instead the show squanders their opportunity. Kanan is stronger than ever in the Light Side, and instead of the Grand Inquisitor being killed in a fair fight at his full power, he's killed by his own failure to recognize the flaw in his lightsaber design. It feels unsatisfying when rewatching it. I wish Kanan tapped into the Dark Side, calling upon it for power, and using it to destroy the Grand Inquisitor. I wish Ezra witnessed that, and saw the darkness within Kanan, yet still chose to learn from him. It could be a cautionary tale for Ezra, who now understands what the Dark Side is, and in early Season 3 when Ezra taps into the Dark Side himself, and when he talks to Kanan about it, have him say something like "I understand why you used it. It makes sense now" or something
Conclusion
Rebels Season 1 is amazing and heavily underrated, but it fails to balance it's themes efficiently, which pushes more mature audiences away and damages the show way more than it should
If you have yet to watch Rebels Season 1, please give it a chance, and continue on to the end of Season 4
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Number 7 for the chose violence ask game?
7. what character did you begin to hate not because of canon but because how how the fandom acts about them?
This is an immediate and unhesitating Star Wars answer: Ahsoka.
so these days a lot of my annoyance is about the canon, but go back in time to 2015 when the Rebels S1 finale came out. at this point Ahsoka had not appeared in (real time) Star Wars canon since the first TCW series finale (this show has had three for various reasons), which aired in March 2013, which is actually not that long. (She showed up briefly in Yoda's vision when Lost Missions aired in 2014, the second TCW series finale.) From a 2023 perspective, two years is not that long, but it was 2015, okay. TFA had not yet come out. Rebels S1 had just aired. The decanonization of Legends wasn't even a year old yet; the amount of new (Disney) canon Star Wars was in the single digits. This was years before Disney+ or TCW S7 (the third TCW series finale) and live action Star Wars television was an oft-shotdown rumor (Star Wars Underworld, we remember you kindly).
Back in 2014 when they first announced Rebels, there was a lot of bitterness about it -- did they cancel TCW for this, why aren't any of these characters Ahsoka, could Sabine maybe be Ahsoka? (They first introduced her helmeted.) You can probably find some of this on my Tumblr if you go back far enough because I was also very wary at the time. All through when Rebels S1 was airing there was a lot of conversation about when or if Ahsoka was going to show up in a way you really wouldn't get today, because these days we're used to cameos and crossovers. When Fulcrum made their debut with the masked voice in Out of Darkness, people reverse-engineered that voice and did digital...stuff...to try and figure out if it was Ashley Eckstein voicing the character, because back then people immediately did assume that Fulcrum was Ahsoka. And then Fire Across the Galaxy came out, and Ahsoka actually did appear, and then the animated side of Star Wars fandom lost its fucking mind.
so you have to understand that a lot of TCW fans did not go over to Rebels when it first aired. many did, I was one of them, but a lot didn't because they were very angry about TCW being cancelled, about Ahsoka not being a main character, about Rebels' art style -- gods, that one had (and still has!) people furious. and then Ahsoka appeared in Rebels with her new design and people just LOST IT.
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people were FURIOUS she didn't like her TCW vision version -- like, you think the reaction to her live action appearance was bad? please, we were all dead inside by that point and inured to Star Wars' nonsense. I have seen some shit in the Star Wars fandom and the reaction to Ahsoka's Rebels redesign is way up at the top of the list. The shape of her lekku and montrals. The tiger striping on her lekku. The shape of her face. The way her facial markings changed. Her skin color. The one that always sticks in my head are the people who argued that because she was wearing a different headband Filoni and Co. had stripped her of her cultural identity as a Togruta. The list goes on. I swear to gods however bad you think it was from what I'm saying it was worse. No, worse than that.
That's just the aesthetic elements. What also happened as soon as she had appeared was people going "well, Ahsoka's here, so Kanan is obviously going to die," and this went on for ALL of the hiatus summer between S1 and S2, and ALL of S2. As many SW fen who follow me know, Kanan is my favorite, so I was logging on every day to find people discussing how Kanan was extraneous and marked for death because why would you have Kanan when you could have AHSOKA. I got very bitter about it. (Not helped by canon completely fumbling Kanan every time Ahsoka was onscreen, I am still EXTREMELY angry about the hot mess that was The Future of the Force.)
Two years later canon quite literally did swap Kanan out for Ahsoka, and I've never really gotten over it, but when World Between Worlds aired that was the first thing that I thought of. It was just...extremely bad.
And then in general people get extremely weird about Ahsoka in the way that people always get about their faves (depth? flaws? we've never heard of them), in a way that's just been getting much worse over the years since Rebels S4 (which I hate) and TCW S7 (which I hate) and the live action appearance (which I hate) and the upcoming show (which I refuse to acknowledge). Even as a fic writer, it got to the point where I'd really hesitate to put Ahsoka into a story or a chapter because I knew that if I did, I'd get a large number of comments (large being relative here) that ONLY talked about Ahsoka and not about anything else going on in that chapter. And then when I didn't put her into a chapter (you can see this in the last few chapters of Crown that I posted earlier this year), I'd get people going BUT WHERE'S AHSOKA? As a cast of thousands writer it was a combination guaranteed to drive me crazy, even if I hadn't been, at that point, pretty neutral about the character. And I started as a fan, you know? I didn't come into TCW until S4 was airing, so the show had to sell me on her, but it worked, and I was a fan. It just...went wrong in every possible way.
(The Marvel equivalent for me is Peggy Carter, and I am doing a lot of work on my end to not end up as bitter about Peggy as I am about Ahsoka, because I know it's a danger for related but not identical reasons, and I'd really rather not have that response to two characters. And mostly I have been successful, because I'm pretty careful about where I go in the fandom and I'm not picking up rabid Peggy fans the way my Rebels fic picked up rabid Ahsoka fans, since it's a much larger fandom and people who are very aggressive about Peggy are not reading a clearly labeled SteveNat fic. It's helped by the fact that these are very different canons and very different fandoms, and that I came in well after Endgame, because I know if I'd come in before I'd be way less clear-headed about it; there's a reason I avoid all the Captain Carter stuff, which makes me rabid for various reasons.) (That said I know I'm blocked by at least one Peggy fan.)
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for there are no mistakes by ProwlingThunder
Rating: General Audiences Archive Warning: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings Category: Gen Fandoms: Star Wars - All Media Types, Star Wars: The Clone Wars (2008) - All Media Types Relationship: Fox & Sifo-dyas Characters: CC-1010 | Fox, Sifo-Dyas (Star Wars), Master Yoda (Star Wars), Mace Windu Additional Tags: Force Visions, Seer!Fox, Seer!Sifo-Dyas, Jedi Council Doesn't Trust Seers, Jedi Culture & Customs (Star Wars), Force Seer, Jedi!Fox, Master/Padawan Bond, Alternate Universe: Different Clone Template, Mando'jetii, Mandalorian Jedi, Padawan Vhox Vhett, Offscreen Character Death (mentioned), Offscreen Character Torture (mentioned), JEDI AU Language:English Series: The Most Beautiful Ship, Bet The Vhett Collections: Bet The Vhett, Mando Jetii Bingo, Star Wars Rare Pair Bingo!
Summary: When his Master is killed on an away mission, the leaders of the Jedi temple act about as he expected them to… and also, not at all like he had hoped.
"As you choose, masters."
Notes: For the Star Wars Rarepair bingo square, "Sacrifice" For the Mando'jetii bingo square, "Power Imbalance"
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devondeal · 8 months
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Hello there wifey 💚💙 Here’s some Jedi ask questions about our favorite Jedi women, enjoy 😘
Ahsoka
1,9,21,50
Barriss
2,38,42,43
Luminara
10, 16, 46, 49
Leia
5, 14, 39, 48
Oooo I love me my Jedi women! I had a blast answering these, thanks wifey! 💙💚
Ahsoka
1.) How did she find her Kyber crystal(s)?
So the first time she had to have had gone with her creche led by Yoda I imagine. I think the Illum cave would only show her the Kyber after she learned to slow down and not let her anxieties rush her. I say this because this is a consistent issue for early seasons Ahsoka where she is very impulsive.
For her second Kyber crystal, she had to have gone to Illum with Anakin. I think Ahsoka did not expect to need another crystal because I feel like it was Anakin's observation as a teacher that she was best suited to Jar Kai (dual wielding). It is possible Ahsoka became insecure at her Master deciding she needed a second blade like maybe she wasn't doing good enough with one even though that's not at all what he meant. So I feel like the crystal would present itself to her when she learns to accept that it's ok to use a different style than is the most common and traditional. That she isn't any less a skilled Jedi because she is better with two lightsabers (which would mean a lot to me personally as someone who always needed extra help in school).
9.) Their favorite memory with their Master
I feel like her favorite memory with Anakin would be anytime he teaches her about mechanics given she's mentioned it a few times in Clone Wars namely when she fixes her comm on Geonosis.
I chose this because given what we learned in Tales of the Jedi of how Anakin trained her, these memories of combat training may be confusing and stressful. She probably would turn to a different activity they did together for good memories.
I feel like she also gets nostalgic just remembering when Anakin and Obi Wan bickered like siblings while she just rolled her eyes.
21.) Their greatest challenge
Ahsoka in my opinion really really desperately needs to work on letting go of her guilt and insecurities. She has a tendency to feel responsible for things beyond her control which really gets out of control with Darth Vader.
She just never feels good enough and questions every decision she makes and that only gets worse when she realizes the man who taught her turned to the dark side.
50.) Something in canon about them you reject
The Ahsoka show so far. I'm sorry but I just don't like story or the interpretation of her character at that point in time. She just doesn't feel the same to me anymore. She feels so watered down and just not how the Ahsoka from Clone Wars and even Rebels would act.
Barriss
2.) Why did she build her lightsaber hilt the way she did?
Barriss's hilt is pretty simple so I feel like she built it for practicality. Plus as a healer, she isnt one for fighting so she wouldnt put as much thought into a weapon. There are some similiarities to Luminara's lightsaber so that's definitely a tribute. I also notice that the metal of saber isnt as shiny as most lightsabers. Maybe it's for stealth, or maybe it's a lighter metal to carry, possibly native to her planet if we wanna get sentimental.
Her blade would be blue because Barriss's number one priority is to protect above all. I just love how her lightsaber hilt looks because it's so symmetrical and seems pleasant and easy to hold. The bit of gold at the top is just enough to make it stand out and a lovely tribute to her Master.
These pics are from the lightsaber books which helped inform my opinion given when I google it, her saber looks different depending on what comes up. I also like how it describes her hilt in the end of the paragraph:
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38.) Their favorite place in the Jedi Temple
The archives cuz she's a nerd 🤣 seriously though, I think reading and learning stimulates her in a way she needs and is a comfort for her when she's anxious.
42.) What's something she'll never forget?
Sorry for the angst but the Geonosis Arena. That changed everything for her. She saw so many fellow Jedi killed and that was so traumatizing for her, she just couldn't be on the battle field again for a long while according to the canon short story.
The happier answer is Luminara just being the bestest Master and also the moment she realized she has feelings for Ahsoka.
43.) If she could talk to any deceased Jedi, who would it be and why?
I'm gonna give the obvious answer with Luminara and I feel like she would need to say everything she wish she could have told her when she was alive. Especially to free Luminara from any sense of guilt she may have regarding how the war affected Barriss.
Luminara
10.) Her favorite memory with her Padawan
I think it would be watching Barriss build her lightsaber like in the 2003 series. She would be so proud of Barriss I know it.
I also think there are many moments in The Approaching Storm of watching Barriss just having fun. I think she and Anakin basically have a splash fight in a river. Also Luminara would definitely be so proud of Barriss's lightsaber dance. I can see her looking back on these memories after the Clone Wars began wishing it were like that again.
16.) Who are her best friends and how did she meet them?
Obi Wan and Quinlan since I think they're close in age. They'd meet as young Padawans maybe sparring. She probably bested Obi Wan and he was just all blushy which Quinlan def teased him for. They probably got in trouble together all the time. Or maybe as 8 year olds, Quinlan dared Lumi to kiss Obi Wan leaving the poor boy all blushy and tripping over himself 🤣
46.) Your favorite headcanon about her
That she hates Ventress with unreasonable fury 🤣 also that she and Obi Wan are in love and she was a naughtier Padawan.
The reason for that last bit is I headcanon Katri to be her first Master but she sadly was killed as we saw in Tales of the Jedi while Luminara would still be pretty young so she'd probably struggle with that grief. It's also why I feel like Dooku might have a soft spot for Luminara because he respected her Master and avenged her. But I feel like Luminara had to have struggled with the dark side as a teenager as a result of all this.
49.) Her greatest moment
That one bit in a comic where she kicks a pebble at a giant and it knocks him the fuck out looking like she just doesn't have time for this nonsense 🤣
Onscreen, I'd say in Cloak of Darkness, when she was willing to admit she made a mistake about Ventress to Ahsoka. It's so rare to see authority figures be so humble and admit a mistake. It really shows how wonderful and kind and soft she is. It shows why she is to me one of the greatest Jedi.
Leia
5.) Her favorite thing about being a Jedi
Being a Jedi would feel like coming home for Leia. Because she has always felt the Force though she didn't know it. Being a Jedi would feel like reuniting with an old childhood friend. It would remind her of how Bail and Breha raised her to be kind and never let cruelty prevail.
14.) How does she like to meditate?
I feel like she'd prefer isolation. I think she'd levitate because we see Rey doing that so I imagined she learned it from her. I think Leia would also meditate while holding onto a trinket from Alderaan because she'd need something to fidget with. And as a woman of action, meditating would be hard for her so she'd need an object to take out any energy with.
39.) If she were to enter an ancient temple, what would she see?
Since ancient temples love to fuck with Force sensitives, Leia would probably see Darth Vader morphing between that form and Anakin since I feel like he's her worst nightmare. She's afraid if she has any bit of him in her because of genetics so he'd taunt her abt that.
48.) A crack headcanon about her
Leia has the biggest potty mouth and it's a fucking problem. She has def slipped some cuss words in places she REALLY should not. Yes she has all the royal and political training but piss her off enough and the entire senate will hear exactly how she feels. Tarkin has def been at the recieving end of it and she has been suspended as a result.
The only reason Leia keep C3PO around is that she needs him to do her hair. All those fancy updoes? Yeah she never had to do them a day in her life but she does want to look her best so she keeps his annoying metal ass around. Eventually though, it's Han who does her hair for her and 3PO is just there for... tradition? Maybe translation abilities 🤣
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merrysithmas · 2 years
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Hello! So, two things.
Firstly, I’m a big fan of your blog and I really love how you write about Anakin as an agent of fate and his predetermined destiny. I’ve had similar thoughts but you put them into words and a depth of detail far better than I ever could. The way you flush those concepts out and the ideas/details you include are fantastic! Far better than anything I could dream up. I felt I just had to tell you how wonderful they are and that I’ve read them multiple times.
Secondly, there is something I’ve wondered in conjunction to Anakin’s density as “The Chosen One”. A lot of fans and even some of the creators at LucasFilm say that had Qui-Gon Jin trained Anakin he never would have fallen. Have you seen that quote from Dave Filoni about the Duel of Fates? Especially with your idea of Anakin being a test for the Galaxy and it failing. How would Qui-Gon change that? I just curious what your thoughts are on the matter and how he’d still fulfill the prophecy.
You have such interesting thoughts on Anakin and his destiny that I felt you’d be an absolutely wonderful person to ask about this. Of course this only if you don’t mind. I don’t mean to impose upon you at all. ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you!! This ask literally made my day the other day when I received it! You are really so kind... I'm so happy to have made so many new Star Wars friends here to gleefully obsess about SW as all this amazing new media comes out!
My view on your question:
Anakin was destined to fulfill the Prophecy. But destiny always acts in conjunction with the will of many people. It is not the product of one person or a set-in-stone over-arcing narrative. So, for example, we know Anakin was destined to "balance the Force" and "end the Sith" at the very least. He was created by the Force to do this.
BUT we never know HOW he is going to do this, or WHAT "balance the Force" even means exactly! That is up to interpretation of the characters and purposefully nebulous. Many times Yoda comments "clouded this boy's future is" because the arc of Anakin's life was intentionally UNPREDICTABLE as per the Force -- but his DESTINY, the end point, was certain. The endpoint was predicted, not the means to the end point.
Anakin was to bring balance... but how? The folly was in those who thought they knew.
This was the Force "testing the Galaxy" giving them a chance to prove themselves -- everyone, the Jedi, the Sith, the Senate, the Republic, Obi-wan, Padme, Yoda, everyone.
If Qui-gon had lived, perhaps he would have advised Anakin not to pursue Padme. Perhaps he would have noticed Anakin's distress about his mother, and being the rebel against the Council that he was, forced them to allow him to bring Shmi to Coruscant. Or maybe he would have simply trained Anakin on Tatooine.
And so with the guidance & faith of his mother (and not the skewed substitute of Padme through which Anakin tried to sublimate his need for Shmi), maybe he never would have turned! He could have helped Qui-gon revamp the Order (balance), alongside Obi-wan, and they could have ended the Sith together. Perhaps he would have killed Sidious for the love his mother - knowing Sidious engineers all suffering and slavery in the Galaxy. The more peaceful end to the Prophecy of Balance.
That's just one possibility! Like perhaps if Padme rejected Anakin (and not needed him so desperately to escape the responsibilities of her life) he would never have had children, or a chance to sublimate his grief for Shmi into her, and Sidious could not have used Padme's life against him. But Padme chose Anakin. Her choice.
Or if Obi-wan had not lost Qui-gon, had not suffered so deeply from that loss of guidance, (loss of not only Qui-gon but Dooku too), he may have been more open, accepting of himself, and more of the friend Anakin needed, more of who he truly wanted to be himself. but Obi-wan chose to train Anakin anyway, knowing he was grapping and grieving. His choice.
I really believe Vader, the alter ego, ALWAYS, lives inside Anakin. It is his nature as a demi god (an ego and alter ego). But in his mortal life, until he fulfills the Prophecy and is free to integrate his prime ego and ego, how Anakin behaves is an issue of "which wolf do you feed".
That is why it's important that yes, he DID choose to bow to Sidious, to go to the Dark. That was one of many, many paths open to him. And it took many years thereafter for him to fulfill the Prophecy perhaps because of his fall. He felt sorrow and guilt for the way it happened, even if he was destined for it and could not escape it.
Because although he is at fault for his choices (and admits that), he is not the sole agent of Fate. He does not make his choices in a vacuum. He definitely had his hand forced as well as the odds stacked against him, as well as making his own bad decisions given his circumstances.
It was an intentionally complicated combination. He never truly experiences free will as we think of it.
In Star Wars: Fate, the test of the Force, rests on everyone's shoulders, and the whole Galaxy had a part to play in the fall of "Anakin Skywalker " (who is a representation of "Good People").
I hope this makes sense! When Anakin burned on Mustafar it was also the burning of Yoda, of Obi-wan, of Padme, of the Senate, of the Republic, of the Order.
Evil won over of them all.
The team lost the game because they were never truly played together.
But despite a loss, they regrouped, in perhaps the truest test of the Force. They stood up even though Evil won. They did not give up.
They all stood up once more through the Rebellion, through Ben Kenobi, through Luke Skywalker (ghost of Shmi), Leia Organa (ghost of Padme) and through Anakin Skywalker himself.
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Day 4: Family meeting
Will entered the front door of his house to the sound of many people talking all at once. He left his stuff by the entrance and walked to their home office, where all the noise was coming from. The door was wide open and arguing was evident.
“Will, you’re late.” Reyna exclaimed mid-argument with Rachel who was sitting next to her. Hazel was sitting on a chair next to Nico who looked like he needed someone to back him up.
“Hello to you, too, Reyna. What am I late for?” He asked as after his 12 hour shift at the hospital, he just wanted to shower and sleep and not put up with riddles and puzzles.
“Didn’t you tell him?” Rachel questioned his husband this time. In the meantime, Will sat down as he found the whole situation very amusing although tiring.
“I kind of have forgotten you would all show up here.” Nico said. Then, he turned to Hazel. “I knew you were coming; I never forget you.”
Rachel and Reyna both glared at him before they continued talking. “We’re here to decide what to get Bee, Ryder and Jasmine for Christmas.” Rachel explained.
Will immediately felt touched that their friends were so close to their kids, but at the same time he was sure they had to come all this way for gifts. “You shouldn’t have. You don’t have to get them anything or stress too much about it.”
“That’s what I’ve been telling you for the past thirty minutes.” Nico came to his side. He liked the fact that they were always on the same side when it came to raising their children.
“We didn’t come to ask for you permission. I know you have three letters addressed to Santa and I am going to make sure that they get every single on them.” Hazel said nonchalantly. Will smiled as Hazel seemed the most harmless out of the three, but still she was the one who could get her way.
“Don’t smile like that.” Nico whispered to him as he was sure he was going to agree with their friends.
“I give up. I’ll bring the letters.” He said.
“They are right here.” Rachel raised them from the desk. Of course they had already brought the letters. “Should we start?”
“Sure.” Nico said, giving up himself.
“Bianca wants-“
“Dibs on the Princess Castle.” Reyna said before Rachel finished he phrase.
“You don’t what it says.”
“Oh, please. I know my goddaughter.” She replied. “I’m buying it.”
“I think we should write everything down. Like who gets what and everything.” Hazel said and got up to get some paper.
“Hazel-“ Nico tried to talk but Rachel gave him the letters.
“We’re here to help you out. Tell us what you’re planning on buying them.”
“We bought the dolls Bianca wanted and the doll she chose for Jasmine, the dollhouse and the build-a-bear. My mum is getting her the guitar and Ryder’s car. Cecil is getting Ryder, the basketball hoop he wants, but we haven’t decided anything else.”
“Why did Cecil get to pick before us?” Rachel asked.
“Because he was with Ryder when he saw it.” Nico explained. “Let’s continue, Bianca’s painting kit.”
“That’s obvious.” Rachel said. “I can get the books I saw there too.”
“Ryder asked for Star Wars lego sets and I quote “Bianca’s Yoda.”
“Write me down.” Hazel proposed.
“There’s nothing else. That’s it. Again, you really don’t have to, but thank you.” Nico said.
“It’s not a big deal. I get a big pay check and I have nowhere to spend it. You’re doing me a favour. And obviously I’m buying more for them.” Reyna said smiling, but before anyone could insist she got up, “I’m going to pick up Bianca from her ballet lesson. Rachel are you joining me?”
“For sure. See you later.”
“You’re staying for dinner.” Nico stated as his sister got up as well. “Where are you going?”
“I’ll go find Frank at Percy and Annabeth’s. Reyna is not the only one meeting her godchildren while in New York.” Hazel said and smiled as she closed the door behind her.
“We’re so lucky to have them.” Will exclaimed.
“Couldn’t have done it without them.”
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