#Sylki negativity

[alyceinwonderland777]

Good afternoon 💚

#Loki #Loki Laufeyson #Sylvie #Sylvie Laufeydottir #anti sylki #sylki negativity #loki series memes #Loki series #loki season 2 #marvel #mcu

[artist-issues]

Reminder that making Loki and Sylvie romantic was not a huge mistake. It was very smart and very in-character.

Not because they love themselves. That’s just a very clever writer’s play on the Loki-Trope-words.

Because she’s the most not-him person that there is. He wants to be the center of attention. She wants to live a quiet life left alone. He wants to take thrones and rule. She wants to topple thrones and rulers. He wants to tyrannize and enslave. She wants to set whole realities free. He sets traps to defeat his most hated foes. She just runs up and stabs them. He never shuts up. She’s stoic and quiet.

To people who believe it’s weird or gross because “they share DNA” or “they’re siblings…” Yeah. They share the same DNA, clearly—just like the Alligator Loki! 🙄 And they share parents, clearly—oh, except they don’t, because Loki’s parents were the kind of people to hide his true origins from him, and Sylvie’s parents were as different from that as you can get. They don’t share DNA, they aren’t the same gender, they don’t share memories or a similar history, and they don’t even share a name. They’re not like the same person, and they’re not like siblings.

The places where they’re similar? Like Sylvie’s chip on her shoulder against those who’ve wronged her? They’re all the places Loki has grown out of, or is in the process of growing out of when he meets Sylvie—and she’s been hellbent on avenging herself against those who’ve wronged her for her whole life.

He’s in love with her because of the—say it with me—“Idea of Potential” that she represents.

It’s just like how Ariel is in love with Eric, even before she gets to know him, because all she needs to know is that his character traits match up with everything she’s always hoped humans could be like. All Loki needs to know about Sylvie is that her character traits match up with everything he’s always wished he could be:

Confident instead of pretending to be confident; heroic instead of pretending to be heroic; secure in who he is regardless of what people think of him; able to focus on something bigger than himself; etc. Loki’s never been able to be those things and even convinced himself he’s proud of pretending—but Sylvie genuinely is all those things.

And Sylvie? Since she was stolen from her home and family she has made no connections, had nobody care about her, and focused only on her mission. If she ever had dreams outside of that, it probably revolved around the idea of freedom. Then in comes this guy who not only expresses care for her, but is the type of guy who doesn’t let anybody tell him what he is or what to do—he can relate to her feelings of hurt, and eventually, tries to help her grow beyond them, too.

They both represent something that the other person has always wanted to do or be, and they both challenge each other, and they both have this big existential hole in their hearts of “nobody wants me or likes me” to relate to each other with.

How is this a mistake? It’s literally the smartest way they’ve ever had Loki make a connection with someone outside his adopted family. (Mobius is cool and all but he’s a Thor-stand-in for this Loki, who’s been ripped out of Thor’s timeline.)

I’m going to stop beating the dead horse, but basically, if you think Loki and Sylvie as a romantic couple is weird, try and look at it the way it actually is, instead of superimposing “female love interest bad” or catchy Internet memes like “Loki Show Approves Incest” over everything 🙄

#Honestly #Loki #Loki season 2 #Loki spoilers #sylvie #sylvie laufeydottir #loki laufeyson #loki x sylvie #Mobius #Owen Wilson #Tom Huddleston #sylki #anti sylki #loki series negativity #Loki series positivity

[gloriousburden]

when will the loki series hype finally die down so i can look through all the main loki tags and find actual loki stuff again and not just lokius shippers crying over and obsessing over the series like DAMN!!!

#would’ve mentioned sylvie/sylki fans here too but do they even exist anymore? #i mourn the loki fandom i knew prior to the series #wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy #loki series negativity #anti loki series #anti lokius #anti mobius #anti sylvie #anti sylki #loki #loki 💭

[magpie-murder]

i know i've talked so much about it today, but i seriously cannot get loki season 2 out of my head. everything i have learned about it has been against my will

it's genuinely messed up that so much of the dialogue in the loki series is spent talking about how loki is a bad person and a murderer and etc. when the loki show itself is the one that cut his redemption arc short.

a redemption arc, btw, which was for things he was likely either forced or manipulated into doing— and don't come to me saying the thanos torture is a headcanon. rewatch Avengers 1. he is harmed and threatened on screen. thanos canonically tortures his own daughters. and him harming LOKI is a stretch? come on, now.

"itS nOt CAnOn" shut up. curse of allspeak:

#loki #váli.txt #loki show criticism #loki show critical #loki show negativity #anti loki show #anti lokius #anti loki series #anti sylki #loki series hate #loki series negativity #loki series critical #mcu critical #loki series criticism

[pinktwingirl]

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS

#loki #loki series #loki series negativity #anti sylvie #anti sylki #anti loki x sylvie #antisylki #she hulk #she hulk negativity #she hulk deserved better #marvel #mcu #mcu criticism #disney+ #mcu phase 4

[smolvenger]

Loki TV Show Writers from episode 1.3 onwards: isn’t Sylvie the BEST!?!? Isn’t she a GIRLBOSS??!?!? Isn’t she PERFECT??!?!? Don’t you just love her??? You WILL love her! Love her!!!!

Me:

#anti sylvie #anti sylki #I know it’s negative #but I am venting my feelings before season 2 #just venting #I don’t wike her #Loki #Loki tv show #Loki TV #loki season one #Loki season two #Loki season 1 #Loki season 2

[musclesandhammering]

Me, dragging myself across the floor toward the Marvel writers, crying and gasping for breath, having completely run out of hope for Loki season 2 being any good: p-please. Black nails. P-please, just j-just… let me have that. Just that o-one thing, please-

#that’s not gonna happen either #but if it did honestly it would redeem the entire show by like 25% in my eyes #it wouldn’t fix the bad writing thing or the s*lvie thing #but it might fix the ugly wardrobe thing 🤷‍♀️ #loki show negativity #loki series negativity #anti loki show #loki #antisylki #anti sylki #anti sylvie

[celerieth]

The only way the Loki series can redeem itself at this point is if season 2 ends with Sylvie dead and a threesome between Loki, Sigyn and Theo Bell, along with accurate rep for all three of them.

Of course, I know it isn't going to happen because a) the second series has already been filmed;

b) Disney would never go for any actual queer rep;

c) Disney is also too focused on their self-insert/OC who makes for a nice cishet-looking relationship to kill her off;

d) Theo's supposedly gay (I mean, that's his generally accepted sexuality in the fandom, but it's a bit ambiguous in the book itself; Mrs Sharpe alludes to the possibility of him being bisexual, but then says she hasn't talked to him about it, and Theo's feelings didn't seem to change when Loki told him about their genderfluidity, though admittedly that might be because Loki was male-presenting throughout the book.);

e) it's too late;

f) Where Mischief Lies is somewhere in the grey area between actual canon and legal fanfiction;

g) I don't trust Marvel Studios with Sigyn after what the comics did to her;

and finally h) Marvel/Disney hates Loki too much to give them that kind of happy ending.

Thank you for listening to this.

Update: I've found the passage I was talking about where Mrs Sharpe alludes to Theo possibly being bisexual. It's just below, found in the last paragraph of page 218 ⬇️

#loki #theo bell #sigyn #ot3 #anti sylki #anti loki series #loki series negativity #i want this so badly #where mischief lies #biseuxal #possibly #loki season 2 #loki meta #please #polyamory

[scintillatingshortgirl19]

blehhh not them making a queer character say the no homo line :/

#loki #loki spoilers #loki series negativity #this is the smallest deal tbh. it's just. hmm. #it's just making me think about the overarching issue #that a loki show should by rights be incredibly queer #and that isn't what we're getting #largely just bc of the company who owns it #and idk it's not like i expected anything different but it's just getting to me more and more #esp with the way the creators referenced his genderfluidity in s1 and then it literally didn't exist (i'm still baffled by that whole thing #and esp with shows like s2 of good omens being released #which in ways completely unrelated to the main couple #was just drenched in queerness #and the loki show SHOULD be like that! #there should be more than just one line about lokis being bisexual #as great as that was...i want more than just a brief reference to queerness #that never comes up again in any way #and btw - in case this needs to be clarified - this is not about shipping #even though sylki isn't my thing they are bi4bi and that is a queer relationship #i'm just like. talking about the vibe of the show as a whole i guess #and all the missed opportunities for side queer rep i'm seeing #and there's also. like. something about how #combined with the straight up lie about loki's genderfluidity #tv series!loki arguably has the most traditionally masculine presentation we've ever seen of him #when previous iterations of him included somewhat androgynous costumes #but idk i haven't fully gotten my thoughts together on that #loki tv series #loki series criticism #loki series critical #op

[alyceinwonderland777]

Here's how Waldron & Co. could solve the Sylki problem in Season 2

Sylvie: As for the kiss...

Loki: *He cuts her off* It was a mistake. I care a lot about you and feel a strong empathy towards you for what happened to you, but evidently I had mistaken all this for love.

Sylvie: The same goes for me. I care a lot about you, but I was confused. And I wanted to tell you that I'm sorry if I acted arrogant towards you.

Loki: Past is past *Loki says with a smile*

Sylvie: Friends? *she holds out her hand*

Loki: Sure *He says squeezing her hand*

#anti sylki #Sylki negativity #Wouldn't it be better if there was only a platonic relationship between them since they are LITERALLY the same person? #like come on #Tom Hiddleston #Sophia Di Martino #marvel #mcu #Loki series #loki series criticism #Michael Waldron #loki season 2 #Loki #Sylvie #Loki Laufeyson #Sylvie Laufeydottir

[zylice]

Abuse in the Loki Show

* Physical and sexual abuse: The main male character was stripped without his consent after being violently subdued, kidnapped and imprisoned. He got bent over a table by a physically stronger female character (B-15) making it look like he was about to be sexually assaulted. He was repeatedly kicked whilst already down, thrown around into things, knocked around and strangled by a much larger and stronger male. There was also a scene where a female character stood over his unconscious body looking like she was going to take advantage of him (Sylvie) who also bit, kneed and elbowed him causing him to clutch himself in pain. He was repeatedly hit, punched and kicked in the balls by another female character (Sif) and lastly he was kissed without giving consent (Sylvie). Another male character (Mobius) was pushed violently onto the ground by his female ‘superior’ (Ravonna.) There was also blatant violence against women such as B-15 punching Sylvie into the ground making her clutch herself and gasp in extreme pain. In the second season, Sylvie blasts the main male character into the ground quite brutally in the third episode. She also brutally hits another female character (Ravonna) in the stomach and kicks her through a time door in the same episode. Sylvie physically assaults the main male character in the final episode of season 2, two of the main male characters exploit a female character Sylvie in the final episode of season 2.

* Bullying, mental and psychological abuse: The main male character (Loki) is shown traumatising footage of events that happened in his life while his captor (Mobius) tells him how bad he is and brings up MORE abusive events and tells him how unimportant he is.

* He was put into a ‘torture time loop’ by his captor (Mobius) where he repeatedly got physically and verbally abused (kicking in the balls, hitting, punching and bullying about ‘deserving to be alone’) by not ‘staying in line’ by the organisation. A female character (Sylvie) leads on the main male character and manipulates him, sexually abuses him, blames and bullies him for all the issues that SHE created and stops him from trying to do the right thing!

* Nazi Symbolism:

- Stripped prisoners without consent.

- Force them to work for you or kill and torture them. Some of the torture methods include being ‘subdued’ and ‘gassed’ inside of a cube.

- Subdue, abuse, restrain, strip and beat them into submission in order to brainwash them, erase their memories and give them ‘Stockholm syndrome’ and ‘befriend’ their abusers (Mobius, B-15)

*Part Two: https://www.tumblr.com/zylice/733670791922778112/abuse-in-the-loki-show-pt-2

#anti loki show #loki show criticism #loki show critical #loki series negativity #loki #loki series #loki tv show #loki tv series #TVA #time variance authority #anti michael waldron #anti eric martin #fuck disney #fuck marvel #tom hiddleston deserves better #justice for loki #justice for Tom Hiddleston #the TVA is a facist Nazi organisation #fuck the loki show #the TVA is a facist organisation #it’s concerning how Disney and marvel can get away with this #save tom hiddleston #protect tom hiddleston #tom Hiddleston was exploited and abused #anti mobius #anti Sylvie #anti lokius #anti Sylki #anti b15 #Loki has Stockholm syndrome

[gloriousburden]

Ok not to talk about that series, but i just gotta say that i can’t help but be… i don’t know, i guess grateful? that marvel decided to let this mischaracterization happen to the variant™️ instead of to our loki. (since we all know that it would happen eventually because they don’t care about his character or anything he’s been through. hence his characterization in ragnarok too.) but i do mourn what our loki could’ve been everyday. and how much he deserved a solo project or even just another thor movie that would’ve dived into LITERALLY ANYTHING about him. there was so much potential, but instead they killed him off because they needed someone to open up the doors to the multiverse or literally whatever tf.

the series could’ve been about literally anyone. that’s just how non loki centered it is despite it literally being called LOKI. i hate that they’re trying to push this variant as the “new loki”, and that our loki is “irrelevant” and “flawed” now when he literally was perfect before he was killed off (and before ragnarok.) if this was what new “loki” content would consist of, they should’ve just let him go since clearly no one at marvel understands anything about him anymore.

(oh and not to mention that they originally wanted to kill loki off in the dark world, which actually explains a lot.)

also this is sort of unrelated to the original rant but i just gotta say that i really and truly wish that lokius/mobius fans would stop acting as if they’re so much more morally superior than sylki/sylvie fans. neither of them actually understand loki or care about him, and they both need to stop claiming that they are loki fans. because in reality, they’re just fans of the variant and who they can ship him with. if they actually understood loki, they would dislike the series as much as the rest of us do. it’s written by people who don’t get anything about loki besides…

“haha he’s thor’s younger brother who’s jealous and so evil… he commits evil acts JUST for the fun of it and without any true reasoning. oh and he’s such a narcissist guys… it’s not like he’s been trying to prove himself (mind you this is something an actual narcissist wouldn’t feel they have to do btw. but since the writers couldn’t see through the Very Obvious facade that loki puts up in response to the way he’s been ignored, belittled, neglected, etc… they think he’s a narcissist.) to not only odin, but to everyone else around him in the first two movies he was in. and since he’s privileged, it must mean he can’t have any kind of struggles and is overreacting. yass put him in a time loop where he continuously gets physically assaulted 😍 that’ll show him for sure.”

and then sylki/sylvie fans, and lokius/mobius fans will ignore how bad this writing is, just because loki was dumbed down enough to be shipped with their mediocre ass characters. if you can ignore the VERY OBVIOUS mischaracterization of loki’s character, then you are not a loki fan. you’re just a fan of the series and the characters in it. both lokius and sylki shippers are Um… not that great to put it kindly, but lokius shippers specifically have this weird superiority complex over sylki shippers/sylvie fans in general even though they ALSO don’t really know one thing about loki’s character outside of the mischaracterization from the series, and from fanon.

anyway putting this gif here because it’s cute and one of my faves ^_^

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[incantation-sigyn]

I miss those times back when he really defended Loki.

#antilokiseries #anti loki show #anti loki series #loki series negativity #antilokishow #i'm vibing with og loki #anti sylki #loki series critical #loki series criticism #loki deserved better #lokiseriesnegativity #lokiseriescriticism #anti sylvie #antisylki #anti mobius #anti lokius

[magpie-murder]

so you read Avengers Omega? Because CLEARLY you're not. so stfu and stop spreading hate! Dear god, haters are so fucking selfish and stupid. and just to be clear: you know nothing about Loki. AT ALL. STFU!

do you guys wanna bet this is because i said i don't like lokius, or because i said i don't like sylki?

i've got $10 on lokius

#váli.txt #ask and ye shall be answered #loki show critical #loki series critical #anti loki series #loki show criticism #loki show negativity #anti loki show #anti lokius #anti sylki

[pinktwingirl]

I'm so tired of constantly seeing Disney/Marvel pushing pro-S*lki bullshit it's fucking despicable.

Like seriously, can you imagine if the genders were reversed and S*lki was instead about a female character fawning over a male character who is constantly insulting her and telling her to shut up? Everyone would be up in arms about how abusive it was and how it was setting a bad example for young girls (and rightfully so). But because it's a female character doing this to a man, suddenly that's ok??? Sylvie is literally never held accountable for anything she does. It doesn't matter how selfish she acts or how badly she treats other people; the narrative always frames her as this pinnacle of perfection who can do no wrong purely because she's a woman. Nothing is ever her fault because she "had a rough past" so apparently that gives her a free pass to be as despicable as humanly possible and everyone will still love her no matter what. Meanwhile Loki treats her and Mobius with respect and kindness even though they have been nothing but awful to him and yet HE'S the one constantly framed as the "evil narcissist." Fucking disgusting.

#i'm so done with this #loki #loki series #loki series negativity #sylvie laufeydottir #anti sylvie #anti sylki #anti loki x sylvie #antisylki #marvel #mcu #disney plus #mcu criticism

[bearslices]

I need y'all to understand, if th0rki shippers are calling sylk! weird and harmful. There is something deeply and fundamentally WRONG with the loki series as a whole

#loki series negativity #loki series #anti sylki #anti sylvie #at least thorki shippers understand that the ship is an insult to the character #and its insulting to genderfluid people #if loki wasn't genderfluid #i dont think i would be as angry with the ship or series #loki deserves better