#and those worked on thor

[musclesandhammering]

There’s zero chance Loki and Hela having so many similarities is just a coincidence. And even though we’re most definitely never getting a full explanation for it, I’m so curious as to what you guys believe the reason is. Do you think:

a.) Loki’s a shapeshifter who can see people’s memories when he touches them. So when Odin picked him up as a baby, he saw Hela in Odin’s mind and shifted himself to resemble her.

b.) Loki and Hela have the same biological mother.

c.) Hela is Loki’s biological mother.

d.) Odin changed Loki to look like Hela when he first held him, because he missed her.

e.) Hela’s biological mother is jotun, and she and Loki both have black hair/pale skin/green aesthetic/etc because that’s just what frost giants look like when they take an asgardian form.

f.) Hela and Loki are both adopted, both children of Laufey. Odin took Hela centuries earlier, then when he realised Laufey’d had another child, he took Loki too.

**I’ve listed these in order from the ones I find most likely to least likely, if you’re curious. Tell me which headcanon you prefer, I wanna see.

#e & f are just sorta crack theories to me I don’t think they would ever actually be canon #and c is a cool theory that’s been circulating around fandom that I love #but I don’t think the mechanics actually work #like hela seemed to be gone before loki was born so I don’t think those timelines would match up #if I had to pick one of these to be true I would confidently say b #I’m like 85% sure loki and hela are half siblings with the same bio mom #and the fact that Odin and Laufey had kids by the same woman would also add to their feud probably idk #hela #loki #Odin #thor ragnarok #loki meta #hela meta #hela odinsdottir #what if season 2 #loki laufeyson #loki odinson #mcu #thor movies

[worstloki]

not a fan of people saying Odin and Loki are similar in a moral or decisive sense, particularly when it comes to Thor. that makes it sound like Loki doesn't know Thor or care about him beyond what he symbolises (regarding Asgard/the throne/family/worthiness), when that's a defining part of their relationship

#like i get WHY people go 'oh Thor is like Frigga (they care™/bring Emotions in) and Loki is like Odin (calculating™ /For The Greater Good)' #but if you make such a clearcut comparison you neglect a lot of stuff that Odin and Loki do drastically different #like there are literal contrasts that are pretty evident around Thor particularly #like Odin does expect Thor to be some ideal version of himself that obeys Odin implicitly and doesn't have his own volatile emotions? #while Loki more sees that Thor isn't who he tries to pretend to be and generally encourages Thor to realize that #the most obvious parallel would be how they in TDW try telling Thor that Jane won't work out #and Odin goes for the whole 'well they're insignificant' angle despite Thor caring about the humans and Jane particularly #Odin tries to go 'here's Sif and since you shouldn't have your own preferences (they're wrong and bad) consider my choice' #he largely disregards Thor's emotions #most people do on Asgard???? #like it's literally wild how everyone saw Thor being major depressed and they basically told him to pretend to cheer up #like im sorry Thor's grief means nothing to y;all. he fell in love with someone very mortal and his brother is changed forever #Loki tries putting Thor off by first off. Thor KNOWS Jane isn't going to live long he's not never thought about it #he doesn't even make the decision for Thor he tells him to consider his choice well bc it WILL hurt him when she's gone #Loki is like treats Thor like a person and Odin is like nah I own him #I feel like in converting the brother/father relationship difference over people lose the differences in those aspect #they skip to similarities of heartlessness and Machiavellian ends meeting the means when Loki overall is #a far more moral character than Thor (at the start of Thor's arc) and Odin. and a lot of culturally Asgardian ideas #that's literally part of Loki's original characterization that he DIDN'T match up with their views #he didn't do stuff like take killing lightly like it's for fun and that's one of a long list of obvious aspects that make the setup cool #don't tell me Odin and Loki are the same #like there's some blanket understanding that Loki doesn't show or care about the people he loves #while Thor and Frigga have always been softhearted and refused to sacrifice themselves for what is deemed better for everyone #don't mistake selfishness for apathy and don't say Loki didn't cry himself through the first movie because duty to the throne comes first #that's literally Thor's bit #idk

[valkyrieandstrangeridingaragorn]

Thank God a lot of Redditors aren't thrilled by the idea of Born Again fridging Foggy and writing Karen out completely. 😐

Those are great comments, thank you for sharing. To be honest with you I don't understand Marvel's logic here. They get the rights to the best Netflix series and they can write all these incredible characters, but instead of doing that they get rid of two of the main characters so they can introduce their own new people we don't know, have no attachment to, and we're gonna have to get to know during the season? Is it hubris or is it something else?

Killing Foggy in the first episode is done for shock value, nothing else. But acting like Karen never even existed is even worse, what that tells me is that they see Karen as Matt's love interest and nothing more... which is so insulting I can't even begin to explain how annoying it is. The Karen who confronted Fisk alone and told him she had killed Wesley herself? The same woman who risked her life to provoke Fisk? This Karen? 👇

I love her.

I agree with the comment that says Marvel seem allergic to having series where the characters have strong relationships with one another. Unless it's a romantic partner, how many of the characters in the D+ series have a strong support system? It's so limiting. Matt is a wonderful character but he's made better by having Karen and Foggy with him. If you take that just so that he can show some male tears and for shock value, the only message you're sending is that you want the social media clout but you don't care about the story. And the audience is not stupid - as shown in those comments above.

#daredevil #matt murdock #foggy nelson #karen page #daredevil born again #it's like they think we want to see the title character and we don't care about those around them #there's a reason people like to see Peter with May and MJ and his best friend #there's a reason the Cap movies work with Bucky and Sam and Nat #and the Thor movies needed his family and his friends there with him too #but the MCU takes these title characters... they remove them from their support system... and then wonder why the new stuff doesn't work

[elu-is-reading]

Okay, I've been working on this embarrassingly long but it's finally done or at least I can't find any immediate problems with it. This is my piece for Bruceweek 2023 day 1 Seasons/Friendship. At this pace this will become Brucemonth for me but who's counting anyway.

For friends I chose Peter Parker, Tony Stark, Thor and Jennifer Walters. There were more options but these were the ones I landed on. Seasons are hopefully obvious.

My concentration is still taking a vacation so every piece after this will be equally as late but I have all rough sketches done so I at least have vague ideas ready to be worked on. This might be the most complicated one too so the others don't take as long individually (hopefully). Enjoy!

#bruce banner #marvel #peter parker #tony stark #thor #jennifer walters #bruceweek #bruceweek2023 #feels a bit bad to tag as those because I'm so late #but the prompts are for it so this is how it works #my art

[gennianydots]

I only caught like 43% of this scene because I was so distracted by this hunka hunka burnin’ love

Can someone catch me up real fast? Did Gun ever get his coffee??

#sir excuse me #can you stop please #was that shirt working him or was he working the shirt #someone in costumes knew what they were doing #look at those arms #those shoulders #good lord 🥵 #thor thinnaphan #someone put a blanket over his face so I can focus #a boss and a babe #a boss and a babe ep 8

[manly-appreciation]

#chris hemsworth #working out #sweaty #hot #those arms #biceps #Thor #handsome #beard

[nostalgia-tblr]

re: my seemingly fringe "I don't think we're meant to think Odin was a dreadful cunt" take, when was Thor 1 actually made? Like... 2010/2011? Because I think Odin is (presumably based on comics canon) meant to be "a bit distant but overall good as a parent" but 2010ish is well after the recent (historically recent, by which I mean since maybe the 1980s) shift in our culture's ideas about fatherhood and what make "a good dad" as well as similarly radical shifts in how we approach disciplining children. MCU!Odin is therefore odd because he's a couple of generations out if he's meant to convince the audience that he's A Good Dad or even an acceptable one. Even the people making the film can't have (all) thought he was any good so with this in mind I'm more open to the idea that Odin is meant to be fairly shit. (But not entirely, and certainly not to the point of him being evil - he's doing his best and arguably the issue isn't him but the culture they've all been born into.)

IDK how old the writer was but there could be an intentional generation-gap thing going on there? An "everyone thinks this is acceptable and even good parenting, but it isn't and everyone involved is getting messed up by it." You don't have to go that far back historically before failing to show regular affection to your kids wouldn't be seen as a significant flaw in a father (whereas it absolutely would be in a mother - v interesting that as the status of women in our society has increased our idea of a good dad has shifted significantly towards an ideal that would previously have been considered "maternal" and thus "unmanly." Oh hey, looks like patriarchy is bad for men too!)

I still think a lot of fanon and fanfic overstates it (which is fine until we're at the point of inventing obviously abusive behaviour and then seemingly forgetting that we made that up), and that Odin is at least meant to be 'doing his best' but yeah Them Thor Films must surely be aware that his best is nowhere near Actually Good, yeah? I mean unless they were written by a man who lives in the 1950s, which they probably weren't. (There is absolutely some generational variation in how far the social change has taken hold but you'd have to look for a long time before you'd find a man of any age who'd say "I really wish my father had been more reserved and had spent less quality time with me" rather than wistfully expressing the opposite of that.)

#mcu tag i guess #that said as recently discussed frigga's characterisation (such as it is) is also quite out-of-date and thus a bit weird #every single thing we know about her comes back to her being a mother to More Important Characters #and nobody seems to have considered this a flaw in the content that they made #anyway i got to this point by realising that there's a now conspicuous lack of childcare professionals in 90s Star Trek so well done me #(most childcare falls to Wife and if Wife is not available then Man may do some in an emergency. but if neither Wife nor Man is available #the alternative is “a friend who isn't working that day” rather than the excellent daycare facilities that don't exist on Deep Space Nine) #generation gap stuff can be fascinating - like how many Boomers will insist that their own parents weren't fucked up by WW2 in any way #“oh but my dad wasn't at all affected by his experiences during the war - i know this because he never talked about any of it” #whereas to my generation that silence on what exactly happened in those years is conspicuous and an obvious sign of trauma #and that sort of thing #thor movies

[powerbottom-thor]

Suggest me some top Loki and bottom Thor fic ideas. I’m in a writer’s block rn😭

#top loki #bottom Thor #I’m already working on 2 fics but I need more ideas #those two fics have chapters #I need ideas for one shots

[uniiiquehecrt]

#&&. | marvel. | #&&. thor. #&&. music box #help i adore this track guys!!! #patrick doyle my beloved how your work on the thor film is just so marvelous you master composer you #i adore that he made the thor theme feel like a celtic lullaby — his interview about his compositions for this film are SO COOL TO LISTEN T #and then the way the piano kicks in at the end and goooshh #and this particular track shifts into 6/8 time when that piano kicks in #for those who don't know that's the time of a waltz same as 3/4 time... at least roughly speaking it's the same feeling #and it's just so beautiful when you think about that because it's so fitting of a royal prince but then it's so fitting of fosterson too #the dance with destiny / dance of love / star crossed lovers #can you see jane? #and the answer being 'yes she looks for you' #lord help me i fall in love with this series and this movie in particular a little more every day #Spotify

[starrypawz]

Ok so I don't necessarily care about films based on mythologies being totally accurate because retellings are a thing and like whatever go nuts but also this film I found is just

THERE ARE SOOOO MANY THINGS WRONG HERE

#like for one that's not how yggdrasil works bro #fenrir isn't a god #THERE'S NINE REALMS #also for those who know this is a film by aslyum so nuff said #like they're obviously trying to knock off mcu loki and thor and tbh even mcu loki and thor is more 'canon' accurate to the norse mythos lo

[benevolentgodloki]

korg kept your brother alive when nobody even checked on him

"Much as I enjoy insulting the Avengers, it seems to be a common theme to presume actions on the basis of the constraints of narrative. Tell me, after five years of being pushed away by a being with phenomenal power, when every attempt to reach out has been exhausted, after your friends and families and world have been obliterated and you can barely keep yourself together to make it day after day to survive, when said being is one of the most stubborn people you will ever meet, do you really think that you would have the slightest hope of pulling him out of it?

"Honestly, I thought you might have had more faith in your heroes, and yet here Loki is defending them."

#Loki answers anons #tbh this is a thing that bugs me #I have known quite a few people who have suffered depression #myself included #and none have been worse than the one or two once-friends who suffered it but behaved too abominably to assist #I adore Thor #I just think because of the kind of man he is and the culture he came from #that he unfortunately falls into the category #of those people who will not be helped by anyone no matter what you do #it's on them to work on themselves #I genuinely see the Avengers as having tried for years #and that is why they seem 'mean' #they are EXHAUSTED with being unable to help #and he won't budge an inch #depression is a twisted awful disease #and some people handle it far worse than others #and it is NOT always the fault of those around you if you look to be alone #Pirate went off apparently lmao #I've had experience I'm an old lady XD #depression tw

[daydreamerdrew]

The Avengers (1963) #16

#ok it is soo funny to me that the rest of the team is just going ahead with these major changes #approving their own time off and holding a press conference to announce a new member #and are actually searching for other people to replace them on the team #all the while they don’t know what’s going on with Steve or Thor #so those two don’t know what they’re doing and Tony Janet and Hank don’t have their agreement on any of this #it kind of reads like they’re just like quick while Steve and Thor aren’t here we’ll publicly announce these changes #so they can’t take them back #I said before that it seemed to me that Steve and Thor were the ones who were taking the team the most seriously #that’s because Steve doesn’t seem to have much of anything else going on in his life to my knowledge #and Thor has often been the voice of staying firm to their rules #and characterization-wise they both seem like they would be the most dedicated to the concepts of justice and what else the team works for #marvel #tony stark #hank pym #janet van dyne #clint barton #my posts #comic panels

[worstloki]

Why don't we talk about the fact that Thor lets Loki hit him so often. If we don't take Thor 1 into consideration, In tdw too that deceiving Malekeith plan they made had so much of Loki hitting Thor on the face and what not. Would like to know your thots

Thor's into that

#those are my thots #but honestly I feel like both the brothers Get that when the other is angry he WILL lash out and they kinda #consider it their responsibility to Manage it #so like if Loki's out of it and Thor thinks it'll help to get beat up i think Thor would let it happen #and vice versa too if Thor was ever out to do anything outlandish Loki would rather take blame or get yelled at etc. #I feel like neither brother wants to hurt the other but Loki puts more effort into making it seem like he wants to kill Thor #because he wants Thor to react the same way and do it #he wants to coax Thor into an actual fight which he does not think he could win #neither of themselves value their wellbeing enough to think it's not worth it to take out frustration on the other #and Thor's vast misunderstanding that Something Minor And Fixable With A Few Words Is Wrong with Loki in Thor 1 and Avengers 1 #does not help #in TDW I feel like the plan Thor came up with was to convince Malekith that Loki was against them #and Thor expected a light beating and illusionwork to make it look that way #while Loki was there like oh no we're going to be CONVINCING #and then proceeded to kick Thor in the face #Thor of course was not able to object to that turn of events and Loki was happy the ploy worked #and he got to throw Thor around a little #consensually

[valkyrieandstrangeridingaragorn]

Hi, I know it's not about Stephen, Loki or Steve, but-

Thor's character has also been mishandled throughout his appearances, which doesn't make it easy to know what to keep and what not to keep when writing fanfiction. Like, what are we supposed to do with the Warrior Three and Sif? His grief about Frigga (and Odin, potentially)? His relationship with Loki? Does he use a bit of humor to cope or is it the Taika influence?

I was wondering what you thought about it and if there's a way to make his different character interpretations fit together semi-coherently ':)

Hi dear! 😊

I think Thor's best characterization is TDW, pretty much every scene in that movie is perfect for him, especially his argument with Odin after Frigga's death (he's so brave there, I love it!). I'd also include his unwillingness to listen to Loki or question his past, that's a rather big flaw that I think would be super interesting to handle in a fic - but from Thor's perspective, not Loki's.

I do believe Thor uses humour but more as a way to deflect than to make jokes or be sarcastic. Knowing his upbringing as a golden child, he would have spent all his life longing to please Odin, so he's very high on external validation and probably longs for approval, but vulnerability is not one of Odin's biggest traits so Thor kind of mimicked that - whenever things get a little too close, he shuts down.

Like that scene with Sif in TDW during the feast, or the deleted scene with Loki in the first movie ("when have you known me to be nervous?" - vulnerability? what is that? I'm strong all the time!).

Also he was super lonely for most of his life, that's probably why his relationship with Loki isn't all that healthy: it wasn't just the triangulation, it's the fact that I never quite saw the Asgardians being capable of looking at him as anything other than "prince of Asgard" and "Odin's son". And the Warriors 3 and Sif only make things worse: they're basically 'yes men' but other than party and battle buddies, I don't see them as true friends. All this comes with its own identity issues for him.

Thor is only ever a little open with Heimdall, which is why it didn't surprise me in IW when he called him a friend but said nothing of the others.

And I think from his perspective, his relationship with Loki is twisted mostly out of fear. I don't think his upbringing was easy at all (this is an unpopular opinion though) but he was afraid to lose his position so he did everything to protect the dynamic - and Loki's nature is to be the necessary change. Like a mirror, if you will, looking at Loki means Thor has to face the truth of his own situation in the family and so he finds it a lot easier to destroy that mirror than really look at himself in it.

So... oops this one is getting long, isn't it? 😂 Okay, I'll point out now a few scenes I think are important to Thor's characterization but I'll do so after the cut.

As I said, I think all of TDW is perfect.

From the first Thor movie, I think one of the best scenes is when Loki visits to tell him he's now on the throne. I love it because Thor doesn't question it, he never doubts Loki's legitimate ascend to King of Asgard, quite the opposite: he accepts it fully and asks for permission to return. He doesn't act like it's his right at all, he asks Loki if he will allow him to go back and when Loki says no he accepts it.

Another great scene is when Jane is thinking of quitting but Thor sees that and takes the time to encourage her. I point this one out because I always read fans who claim he has no emotional intelligence, that's not true at all!

In fact, in Ragnarok when he's all mad at Bruce because he's not being a good friend to him, once he realizes he has hurt his feelings he apologizes immediately. He has every right to be mad and grieving, but he takes the time to comfort Hulk who, quite frankly, doesn't deserve the compassion by the way he's acting towards Thor.

Oh and another scene in the first movie, when he tells Sif to live so that she can tell the stories of her battles herself. This one is great as it shows that while he values Asgard and its battle culture, he also feels the lives of those around him are valuable, more than the legends.

He does show off every now and then though. I love his entire scene with Stephen in Ragnarok, it always reminds me of his cocky moments in battle ("anyone else?" in TDW after he kills the Kronan, for instance) or the times he tries to show off for Jane, Darcy, etc. He's a bit of a dork too ("I thought you liked tricks!" to Loki in TDW or the entire escape from Asgard scene.)

And of course the blind rage in IW, probably the biggest scene for me is when he enjoys stabbing Thanos, that's something we had never seen before: he's prone to violence yeah, he's battle-happy, but he doesn't "enjoy" inflicting pain. That's one dark trait that we had never seen in him before.

He has his negative qualities though, aside from what I have already said, he's too blinded by Asgard's propaganda (the Valkyries weren't heroes, he needed Hela to tell him what should have been obvious to him), he's a little too trigger-happy and impulsive, he keeps everyone at arm's length...

So yeah, I don't know if this is what you were hoping for, but I hope it was helpful somewhat 🤷‍♀️😂

#is the read more option working? I'm not sure it is. Apologies if it isn't! #Thor #Loki #I love how anon knows who my 3 main guys are #is it that obvious that those 3 are my favourites? 😂

[tyrannuspitch]

we know enough about odin to conclude that he is the worst father in the universe but. hmm. due to the fragmented nature of the story we actually get to see. i am still Somewhat Fascinated to know what odin is actually like to live with. because we only see him in major crises, and major crises are clearly not the only situations where his sons are supposed to fear him.

like idk... something about the way loki says the phrase "defying father"... especially given that he and thor are both firmly adults at that point... hmm. haunting.

#space viking tag #of course it's not Normal Or Okay for kids to be afraid of their parents #but it's often *normalised* #running a household where your *adult* sons talk about you in those terms is going above and beyond what's normalised #also just. hmm. the fact that they are officially adults but they don't seem to actually have more independence than kids #just more responsibilities #or. okay 'independence' might be the wrong word. but they don't have any SPACE #odin is inescapable. they live in his house. they effectively work for him. and they're the closest people to him apart from frigga #hmmm. #meta #ch: odin #ch: loki #ch: thor #r: loki + odin #r: odin + thor #th: abuse + empire #th: childhood + immortality #th: servant prince

[biggest-dickest]

Every little thing reminds me of Latil & Sonnaught. I watched Thor Love and Thunder and when I see Thor & Valkyrie, I thought of LatilxSonnaught. Why? Because the main character (Latil,Thor) has something going on with this side potential LI character (Sonnaught,Valkyrie) but got putting aside in order to the main character being together with the other love interest

#turns out that #i have a type #sonnaught situation was not as bad as valkyrie though. he still got strong fans. with not few amount. #but valkyrie's was awfully erased. by the production themselves. the fans feeding themselves by hard work. #my villain origin story #all those must die *draw the necrosword* #latil x sonnaught #men of the harem #thor x valkyrie #thorkyrie #thor #rj commentaries #rj post