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sigeel · 9 months

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aaand volume 2 starts!!! patreon.com/sigeel

#punderworldvol2 #punderworld #hadesandpersephonegettingitonduringfall #sigeel #linda sejic #greek gods #greek mythology

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persephone411 · 8 months

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Any kind of Hades x Persephone content: Exists

#hades x persephone #greek mythology #a touch of darkness #lore olympus #punderworld #hell sweet hell #neon gods #a court of mist and fury

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the-skull-breaker · 3 months

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just did the DTIYS of @sigeel 's Punderworld BUT in Hero Forge, so here you go !

#sigeel #linda sejik #punderworld #hades #persephone #greek gods #greek mythology

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queer-cartoons-quotes · 8 months

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amphitriteswife · 3 months

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💐Persephone in different universes💐

Tag list: @miss-seanymph-pani @tinyy-tea-cup @viostar2095 @nicasdreamer @vilereign @monstertreden @snowmantita @bimmismalice

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cosmic-metanoia · 3 months

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Hades as the "Villain"

~not my typical content but.....~

Hear me out.

WHAT IF....the reason why some Greek mythology retellings *incorrectly* write Hades as villainous is because he minimizes engagement with his toxic Olympian family and ACTUALLY sets boundaries with them?!

(tags are for exposure - some of them did a great job of Hades's portrayal!)

#percy jackson #lore olympus #a touch of darkness #greek mythology #punderworld #hadestown #hades game #hades #greek myth retellings #greek gods #ancient greek mythology #greek myths #classical mythology #disney hercules

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lo-shouldve-been-an-email · 19 days

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Okay so remember the post where i ranked Thanatos and Hermes across media?well it’s Persephone time.

SPOILERS DOWN BELLOW!

Percy Jackson:

7/10

We don’t see her much,mostly because most of the books are in summer.

I did like her turning Nico into a sunflower tho.

(I’m sorry Nico you’ve been through so much but you gotta bully(affectionate) your faves every once in a while take one for the team)

I also saw that she was described as a brat by Percy in the Greek gods book of which I think is an interesting description that certainly fits the next character well…

Lore Olympus:

2.125/10

The only character I wholeheartedly know is going to score lower is LO hades because fuck him.

Ill save a rant but basically here’s some of the worst she’s done:

Committed genocide against an entire city.

Turn a lady into a plant.

Act as if she would still have her job in the underworld as if it wasn’t for hades.

Neglect her purple baby.

Corner a guy at his job.

And finally trash a girl(who is very explicitly a lower class race in this world)’s house for flirting with her husband.when he VERY CLEARLY SHUT HER DOWN.

That’s all I can remember off the top of my head but yeah.what did you expect.

(Also if you like Persephone,that’s valid.but I personally dislike Hera lot)

Hades:

9/10

Lowest hades score so far and vast improvement on the last character!

This lady jumpstarts the entire plot of the game in a genuinely believable way.

The story of Persephone leaving the underworld is a very well written one and it makes sense as to why who did what.

Also once she dies find out zag is alive she instantly made an effort to reconnect(even if it took her a while to make it back).

Also?she gives you the Pom blossom.

As for her design,I love both a lot but I like her queen of the underworld drip more so that’s the one I’m using.

Overly sarcastic productions:

7/10

I love her design and she perfectly captures the “sweet until you piss her off” vibe.

Also she loves her dog what did you expect.

Punderworld:

8/10

The better we took romance Persephone.

Okay,but other than her being the cooler Daniel she’s pretty cool.

I like how she’s shown as actually having sexual agency and how she interacts with hades is pretty fun.

Also I like her design quite a bit.

Gods school:

7/10

Okay,I know I didn’t mention gods school in the Hermes post but I hadn’t watched it at the time.

Now,I find her dynamic really interesting as it seems like minthe is blackmailing her but we don’t really know much about that.

Also,her design is pretty good.

#lore olympus #anti lore olympus #percy jackson #Percy Jackson Persephone #hades #hades supergiant #hades game #overly sarcastic productions #punderworld #gods school

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beanswrites · 4 months

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anyone interested in Greek mythology (or Punderworld or Lore Olympus), do you have any ideas of what kind of music modern day Hades would listen to??

besides Hozier tbh

please drop your song, album or artist recommandations!

#greek gods #greek mythology #hades #hades and persephone #lore olympus #punderworld #pls help

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ladygreek · 1 month

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I'm all caught up on Lore Olympus so now it's time to start Punderworld!

#Lore Olympus #Punderworld #Hades and Persephone #Greek Gods #Greek Mythology

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incorrect-lore-olympus-au · 5 months

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What does Hades and Persephone think about how they're portrayed in Hades, Hadestown, God Of War, Underworld Love Story, Punderworld, Clash Of The Titans, Percy Jackson books, Marvel, DC and so on since I have always loved that kind of meta

Hades:

On one half: offended. On the other half: flattered.

Seriously, i don't know why would anyone think of me as an enemy for Olympus OR my brother. Sure, he's not exactly easy to deal with, but in the end trying not to involve with him too much is always the better option...

It's not that i don't ACTUALLY like being portrayed as a villain of some short, that's a role i'm used to be seen as and kinda enjoy for a laught. But as much as death is seen as an unpleasant thing, does it really need to be portrayed as evil?

I enjoy the depictions of me as a loving husband tho. I'm glad i can still get credit for that.

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Persephone:

Most of the time i'm only seen just as either Hades' wife or Demether's daughter, which... it's a part of who i am yes... but i kinda like it more when they explore a bit more of my personality aswell...

I mean, I like to think i have plenty of sides, and when they get to show them it's when i can actually enjoy how i'm getting depicted.

Specially when they make me look villainous. Most people forget about that and i WANT them to know ;)

#lore olympus #incorrect lore olympus quotes #lore olympus au #ask me anything #hades #persephone #incorrect greek myths #god of war #punderworld #hadestown #clash of the titans #percy jackson

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raphael-angele · 25 days

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If Hades raised Nico and Bianca Part 23

I just read Punderworld on Webtoon and I couldn't love it more.

Bianca and Nico: Nonna!

Demeter: Oh, hello, little sprouts. *hugs them close* Oh, how are you?

Bianca: Good.

Nico: Great!

Demeter: I can see that. *sees Persephone* Hello, my dear. *hugs her*

Persephone: Hi, mom.

Demeter: *sees Hades* Hades

Hades: Good day to you, too, Demeter.

Demeter: Mhm. So! Have you eaten yet?

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After telling Demeter how they went to Camp:

Demeter: I see. And how has camp been treating you?

Nico: It's amazing! There's all kinds of things we get to do. We get to shoot an arrow, fight with swords, build all kinds of things-

Bianca: In short, it's been a thrill and Mr. Chiron has certainly been very accommodating.

Demeter: Well, that's good to hear.

Bianca: Not particularly fond of some campers, though.

Demeter: Hm? Well, you have to be vigilant. Always look out for yourselves and each other.

Persephone: Mom, please don't tell them to trust no one. They won't be able to make friends that way

Demeter: I'm just saying that they shouldn't trust just anyone. You'll never know, they might sweep them away to a place where you wont be able to find them and they won't come back until 4 months later *eyes Hades*

Persephone: Mom

Hades:

Demeter: I'm just saying. Bianca is a very beautiful young maiden. It's only a matter of time before someone asks for her hand.

Bianca: I personally don't think that will be a worry, nonna. I'm not really interested in settling down with a man anytime soon

Demeter: Why is that? Do you choose to focus more on your work?

Bianca: Oh, it's not really a-

Nico: Bianca's a Hunter of Artemis!

Demeter: Is that so?

Nico: Mhm. She goes on missions with Ms. Artemis and the other hunters.

Demeter: Well, isn't that lovely. A hunter of Artemis. How did you come to that decision?

Bianca: Uhm...I just...felt that I wanted more than to stay in a camp and do the Gods' bidding. I didn't want to be labeled simply as a child of Hades. I wanted more for myself; to make something of myself besides that.

Demeter: *hums* Well, you are a very wise girl. And I do not doubt that both Hades and my daughter are proud of your choice.

Hades: And we are. Very.

Demeter: *chuckles softly* Now, then. How about you, Niccoló? How has camp been treating you?

Nico: Uhm, well, it's not as impressive as Bianca's but I got a boyfriend.

Demeter: Well that's certainly something. But you should know better than to fall in love with whoever you meet, little one. You'll never know they might-

Persephone: Mom, seriously!

Demeter: Anyway, why don't you tell us a little bit about him?

Nico: Well, he's a child of Apollo

Demeter: Oh, a child of the sun! How nice. He must be a very good archer then

Nico: Oh, yes, but he's more of a healer. He works in the infirmary and tends to the campers who get injured there.

Demeter: Not as impressive as Bianca, you say? You got yourself a doctor! That's very impressive. You're already doing better at relationships than my daughter

Persephone: Mom, seriously! Stop!

Demeter: Persephone, the boy got a doctor as a boyfriend at 13. Don't try and tell me that that is not impressive.

#pjo #percy jackson #percy jackson and the olympians #nico di angelo #bianca di angelo #hades #persephone #demeter #punderworld #solangelo #will solace

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sigeel · 10 months

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it's Punderworld time again!!! here are some wips and such! ;D

#punderworld #linda sejic #sigeel #greek gods #hades and persephone

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persephone411 · 2 years

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If Hades in the pj series isn’t a Dilf I‘ll riot

(aka. I red to many spicy Hades/Persephone retellings)

#percy jackson and the olympians #pj series #greek mythology #Hades #persephone #a touch of darkness #neon gods #punderworld

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genericpuff · 4 months

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What are your thoughts on LO Krokos and LO Ampelus (Psyche) ?

These two male mythological figures, who had a gay relationship with gods, turned into female characters ! If they weren't included (especially since Dionysus is still a baby here), I wouldn't mind. But just using those names like that TWICE is strange, right ?

It's also weird how LO turns two virgin goddesses into lesbians, but don't even implement the canon gay relationships.

Can you find an explanation?

I mean I can't really offer an explanation because obviously I have no way of really seeing into Rachel's head, but it's definitely a choice that she's taken so many gods and characters from Greek myth and turned them into something else entirely, it feels very random and, in the case of the gods who were canonically gay/queer/etc. ... it's hard to ignore and give benefit of the doubt.

Another example is Persephone's therapist, Chiron, who's not just gender bent, but also put into the role of being a therapist ?? Which is like, okay, fine, but like... what is this accomplishing besides vaguely referencing Chiron's affiliation with medicine LOL

(this wound up turning into a bit of an essay so I'm including a jump to make it easier for scrollers lol)

To me, it just feels like it really cements Rachel as not being as well-read in Greek myth as she claims to be, because so much of the actual Greek myth in this comic is either taken directly from first results on Google (see: Zeus' definition of xenia which is taken straight from a Princeton study guide from 2004) and slapped haphazardly into the comic where it's convenient, OR it's just vaguely referenced at even if it's not being properly utilized (like she saw 'Chiron, wise centaur' and went "yeah cool she can be the therapist character!"). I have zero explanation or even assumption as to why she'd turn Crocus, a male lover of Hermes, into Krokos the flower nymph, or why she'd choose to use Ampelus as the name Psyche adopts after being turned into a nymph (which also didn't happen in the original myth). These are "creative choices" that come across as less creative and more just random attempts to make her seem smart.

Like, to a surface level reader or someone who's new to the series, it might seem neat and subversive (it definitely did to me back when I started reading and fell in love with it), but then you actually get further in and peel back the layers and go, "wait, she's just grabbing Greek names that are affiliated with real Greek heroes and gods and characters at random-" and it gets especially ick when it commits queer erasure in the process.

Don't get me wrong, I think having fun with character designs and swapping them or changing them up is perfectly fine, that's the fun of re-interpreting old stories, it's not that on its own that's the issue. It's just that these re-interpreted characters have literally NOTHING to do with the characters that she's basing them on. At least in Punderworld where Charon is a woman, she's still a psychopomp who ferries souls to the Underworld, her being gender-bent doesn't change much because her character and role in the story is still largely the same. Or like in Hadestown how the Underworld is more of a coalmine with Hades running it as a business, instead of the River Styx being a literal river it's a brick wall that protects the Underworld from outsiders ("and they call it freedom"). In both of these examples, they're taking the source material and making it fun and new, while still respecting the source material they're taking it from and keeping it on theme with that source material.

By comparison, Rachel just creates these character references and that's where it ends, they're just references and they don't do anything new or interesting with them, they're not even adjacent to what they're referencing. So we wind up with Chiron being a therapist, Ampelus being the nymph version of Psyche, the Fates looking and acting the exact same as each other even though they had different roles to play between Past, Present, and Future, and Aphrodite's children who... are literally made up from scratch, instead of pulling from the actual real children that Aphrodite had loads of in the original myths.

So many of Rachel's writing choices feel like attempts to be "subversive" when they're not, they're just random. Nothing about the things she changes from the original source material does anything to further explore that source material, it's just yoinking things at random to try and seem more Greek while also further separating her work from legitimate Greek culture. Even when you THINK something is about to be retold in an interesting way, it's very promptly either swept under the rug or veered off in a whole other direction that makes zero sense for what it set up (ex. Echo, what the fuck happened to Echo-)

It's very "ideas first, structure never" writing, she comes up with standalone ideas that sound good in isolation, until she actually tries to execute them and connect them and you realize they have no through line or reason to exist the way they do. It's giving real hard "first draft" vibes, so much of what Rachel chose to do should have been left on the cutting room floor (meanwhile the things that supposedly did get left on the cutting room floor SHOULD HAVE BEEN KEPT IN THE COMIC, ex. Hera's coat prophecy, Hades and Persephone having a date in the Underworld where she decides she might want to go into law, etc.)

Ugh. This got longer than I intended it to. It's just frustrating. I have inspiration to write that essay about queer erasure in LO now, at least. So yeah, hold on tight for that one LMAO

#ama #ask me anything #anon ama #anon ask me anything #lore olympus critical #lo critical #anti lore olympus

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my-name-is-apollo · 29 days

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Hello, i just want to talk with another Apollo and Artemis fan... I'm tired about how Apollo is portrayd in modern media... I can't found so much webtoons or books in wich he is portrayed as he deserves

Only can found Punderworld and Mythos Redone. Do you know other i could read in wich he is not a villain or a "asshole"?

Also i can't with the comments section, it's horrible for a person who love those greek gods read that people said "Oh, just like in the myths, Apollo is awful" or "It' always Apollo" 😭😭

Sorry if i bother you and for my english, i speak spanish...

I completely understand your frustrations. Modern media adaptations have been letting me down often with their portrayal of not just Apollo but also a lot of other greek gods. That being said, I'm not very up to date with webtoons and webcomics altogether. Apart from Punderworld and Mythos Redone, I remember reading about Trials of Psyche, which was a retelling of Psyche's tale of course, but it also shows Apollo's relationship with Eros. I remember I'd like it quite a bit back then, but I have no idea if it's still updating.

Also, I really recommend watching the Korean animated series Olympus Guardian if you're looking for something light-hearted and fun.

#asks #anon

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incorrect-riordanverse · 11 months

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Hi. Sorry, if this is anyoing. I find Rick Riordan's portray of some of the gods, and goddess interesting, and like le, not all but some. For exemple I really like Hestia, Horus, Seth, Artemis, Nephthys, Thoth, Bess, Tawaret, Anubis, Apollo, and Hermes (I can't really have an openion about how he portrays the Norse gods, because the Magnus series haven't been translated to my language yet, and buying and ordering books in English here costs a lot of money, so I have to wait (there is a gossip that they will publish it, but they say this sainc at least 3, or 4 years)) . And I have to thank Rick Riordan's books that I got into mythology, and started learning it, and that I new want to write stories based on it, and started watching Overly Sarcastic Productions. But there is a need to criticis how he portray some gods, and goddess, and then there is also a something that both him, other writers, and people who talk about mythologys forget.

One problem is Demeter. She didn't tried to kill everyone, so they give her daughter back, the reason why everything almost died was her sadness. The sadness of the mother when they child gets married is a thing (for both sons, and daughters at least I heard it), which is a somewhat common thing, even if the realetionship of the child, and they partner is healthy. I was at my cusins wedding, and my mother said that she will cry aty wedding. This is because they child, is no longer a child, but an adult. Yes I know that in the story can mean something else, because of it's age. But I still think that "Demeter sadness", would be a lot more better then "Demeter tried to kill everyone, so she can get her daughter back because she is an opsesed mother".

Next problem is Hera. I don't want to excuse her actions, by any means. She married Zeus, because he raped her, and out of shame because of it. And this marriage her only source of pride, and probably a way to try to get rid of the shame she feels. Zeus's affers brings her the feeling of shame back. It gives more deapht, portays Hera more humeanly, and is more acuret to mythology (there is just this one version of this myth). And with good write this could be writen in a way that no justify what she does to Zues's other victoms.

Next problem is Zeus's portray. I think the only thing I have to say, is that Zeus is the only gods who doesn't have any version where he don't rape someone. (the only god who don't raped, or kidnaped anyone in any versions is Ares.)

Next problem there is no cannon, and many myths have many defrent version. This is true for Medusa's origin story. In some versions she was a monster from birth, alongside her sisters, in other version she was once a human. We all know this version but it has two version. One where Poseidon rapes Medusa in Athena's temple, then Athena cursed her to punish her. And in the other older version Medusa consented to the act. And there are many more versions of almost every myth, in all mythologys, and I think this can be interesting thing when it cames to writing stories based on mythologys.

Sorry if I sound stupid, or anyoing, and sorry that this is long. I just wanted to write this for so long. And sorry for the grammar, and spelling mistakes English is not my first language.

TW: mentions of SA, rape.

I completely forgot I had an inbox for a while so idk how long this has been here but I’ve finally got around to it! I find this sort of discourse very interesting, and I agree for the most part with what you’re saying!

I heavily dislike interpretations that villainise Demeter in Persephone and Hades’ story too. Lots of modern retellings do this to romanticise Persephone and Hades, and its quite sad (and frustrating). Demeter freezing the crops is such a powerful story about a mother’s love, and its tragic that its been so twisted in modern retellings of the myth. Web comics like ‘Lore Olympus’ and ‘Punderworld’ come to mind for this, but (and maybe this is because of my ass memory of the series… it’s been a while since I read it) I don’t remember Persephone and Demeter’s story being touched on much in the Riordan’s books. I feel like it may have, but I can’t remember explicitly. I remember Hades and Persephone’s relationship being quite rocky though!

I hear what you’re saying about Hera too! She’s been under a lot of fire recently and I know the PJO series plays a large part in that! I can think of ‘Blood of Zeus’ being another factor in this villainising narrative of her, and even though there were some efforts to make the audience view her as sympathetic in that show, it seemed a little backhanded (overemotional woman blinded with rage and taking it out on the wrong people). I agree that it seemed a bit much to portray her as a villain in the series, but I’ll raise two things:

PJO was a series created with children or young teens as the target audience. so the series can’t be that loyal to the original myth, considering how dark it is.

Hera was a good antagonist, and her values and motives in the series were the most accurate to how the Greek gods actually were at the time. They simply did not view mortals as anywhere close to equals, but tools to bring glory to their names. They looked after them as long as they served their interests. A lot of her ‘hate’ stems from the fandom’s misogyny, I believe. It also doesn’t help that the other Greek gods in the series were reduced to caricatures of what they actually were, such as Ares (mean and violent), Aphrodite (shallow and vain), Hades (cold and distant) and Poseidon (cool swag fish dad ig). In all honesty, I understood Hera’s motives the most and I think she was written pretty well. I don’t understand why the fandom hates her so badly unless it’s misogyny or the fact that she was too good of a villain, and felt like a real threat to the characters (the Greek gods were badass, but super scary!).

However, there was that book that Riordan did write about the Greek gods that no doubt contributed to Hera’s ridiculing (that being ‘Percy Jackson and the Greek Gods’ told in the perspective of Percy). He mentioned Zeus ‘tricking’ Hera into marrying him, but disregarded the seriousness of it and continued to make fun of her. I understand its still a kids book so he couldn’t do much, as well as its in character for Percy to ridicule her, but still… I see why some people get upset at that portrayal of her as well. Especially because Hera has had a long-winded past of being villainised and made fun of for her actions, which all stem from deep-rooted misogyny.

Zeus’ portrayal fits hand-in-hand with Hera’s, to be honest. Riordan couldn’t explicitly show how he actually was, so he omitted some stuff, which was fine. It’s funny you make that point about Ares being the only god who never encroached the boundaries of his lovers, because he’s depicted as a misogynist in the series towards his daughter. Which irks me a lot.

Medua’s depictions are also very contested. I believe, and I don’t know if I’m 100% correct, but I’m pretty sure that in the original Greek myth, Medusa had always been a gorgon, and was never human. The myth of Medusa being raped by Poseidon in Athena’s temple is a Roman adaptation, and I think that story is the more popular interpretation currently. I also think that’s the story Riordan was kind of going with, considering he wrote Medusa in the first book to be in love with Poseidon (and in the original myth they had no sexual relationship). Which is… yeah. Disgusting. Again, not saying that Riordan should’ve strictly stuck to that very graphic interpretation, but he didn’t have to portray her like that. And this could’ve been avoided if he did enough research on more interpretations of the myth.

All in all, I don’t think Riordan was genuinely malicious, just ignorant to the implications his portrayals of the gods would have. There’s also the fact that he probably didn’t know how big of a hit Percy Jackson would be, and how much influence it would have over general media surrounding Greek mythology (mostly Greek mythology, but Norse and Egyptian too!). I wasn’t even aware of how problematic it was until this account started gaining a larger following, and so I also had to do research on the topic myself! There’s an assumption that Greek gods don’t have influence over people today, but there are some out there who worship them, and we shouldn’t dismiss that because its a smaller religion.

Thank you for this ask! You weren’t being annoying at all, I love long asks 🫶🫶

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