#sandgorse

[marmosetpaw]

#warrior cats #wc designs #sandgorse #windclan #starclan #warrior #tunneler #tallstar’s revenge #my least fav wc character no joke

[eggfeather]

sandgorse

#sandgorse #warrior #tunneler #windclan #starclan #warriors #warrior cats

[everybody-loves-purdy]

Sandgorse doesn’t get nearly enough hate :)

For context: Yes Tallpaw was in real danger when the tunnel flooded (not that Sandgorse cared), and yes it was Woollytail that mentioned the flooding in the first place, not Tallpaw.

#and also Palebird gets way too much hate #Tallstar’s revenge #Sandgorse

[wc-confessions]

Hating Sandgorse was actually a common fandom opinion back when Tallstar’s Revenge first came out. But years went by and slowly some people began to point out Palebird’s absence in Tallstar’s kithood so that was where the hatred for her came from and shifted.

Also shrewpaw yeah we all hated that guy

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#text #confession #anonymous #warrior cats #sandgorse #palebird

[vickorydickorydock]

Local dirtbag can't figure out why family won't do everything he says when he says it

#warrior cats #warriors #wc sandgorse #tallstar's revenge #tallstar #the gru plan meme fits this dirtbag so well #i almost wrote sandstone #guess who's reading the tallstar's revenge rewrite for the third time #rip tallpaw #still working on that ability to kinda draw cats #vickyskitties #sandgorse #talltail

[yuridovewing]

Family Tree Base Used

Razorverse!Sandstorm family tree ! I made Tallstar's family sadder. Info/Changes under the cut

Sandgorse:

-Largely the same as he is in canon, except he's held accountable for being a bad father. He does not reconcile with Tallstar, not even in StarClan. Like Rainstar(flower), he doubles down on his actions and refuses to apologize. Tallstar's arc is about realizing he’s never going to win his father’s approval and focusing on the cats who care about him.

-Did make him kinda worse though. He's transphobic to Tallstar. Sorry for putting transphobia in the warriors universe but uhhh. I mean my take on this world is allll about how restrictive and harmful the clans can be and how they need to acknowledge that and change so. Bigotry naturally kinda comes with that.

-Pressures both of his children to be tunnelers and puts their dying legacy on their shoulders. Tallpaw develops claustrophobia, only made worse by Sandgorse. Finchpaw does much better at it and becomes his golden child for a bit, but gives her a perfectionist complex.

-Might have his prefix changed to separate him from Sandstorm more

Palebird:

-Largely the same as in canon, except she doesn't have a litter with Woolytail. She does not want more children.

-She still has ppd and trouble connecting to her children. This is made worse by Sandgorse not being a very good mate to her and dismissing her mental health.

-Taking a page out of For Roads Untraveled's book here, her arc is about how the characters around her, including her mate, dismiss her declining mental health and how that affects her relationship with her kids. She loves them, but she struggles to care for them and be around them. Her only real supports are Brackenwing and Woolytail. Sandgorse holds every favor he does for the family over her head, and to get back at him, asks Heatherstar to make her kits moor runners. This causes a lot of strife for everyone involved, especially when Sandgorse dies on bad terms with them all. Palebird spends years being estranged from her kits, but they finally talk it out and reconcile later in life. She dies peacefully in her sleep.

-Dates Woolytail soon after Sandgorse's death cause she realized that they had more chemistry and respect for one another than she ever had with Sandgorse, who pressured her to give up moor running to be a tunneler with him "if she cared about him".

Tallstar:

-Trans male and gay. Sandgorse is not a fan. Too bad for him. Very briefly T4T with Jake but it doesn't last long- Jake is a kittypet at heart.

-Has claustrophobia and PTSD from the cave in that killed his father.

-More... politically neutral than anything throughout his leadership. He's leery of "outsiders" but doesn't inherently dislike them. He genuinely didn't have much of an issue with Mudclaw's more conservative thinking when he appointed him deputy.

-However, he is more friendly to ThunderClan because of their history. He trusted them enough to allow his niece to be nursed there, and later let his nephew join. He was deeply grateful for their help when they rescued WindClan from exile.

-He had a big change of heart in old age, realizing he has more kin outside of his clan at this point than inside, and the journey especially opens his eyes that the clans bonding together would be more beneficial than not. But by then, it was too late- he ended up hurting more cats than saving by making Onewhisker deputy against the latter's true wishes.

-Has a strained relationship with Onestar in StarClan. Onestar is very bitter over what Tallstar did, and Tallstar wishes he went about his decision differently every day and wants to reconcile with him.

-Misses his ThunderClan kin a lot. His sister's death hit him quite hard as she was his last remaining family.

Finchsong:

-Rescued dead kit... only to die later whoops.

-Very stubborn molly, both a good and bad thing depending on the time. She was always taking risks to do what she thought was right- for example, running into a blocked off tunnel to try and convince Heatherstar to bring back tunneling. Or running away with her brother to find their father's murderer.

-As a kit and apprentice, she was much more insecure. She was briefly Sandgorse's golden child, because she was less "cowardly" than her brother and "more willing to embrace her future". AKA, do what Sandgorse wanted, give up her apprenticeship with no lip, and not complain cause she was afraid of his reaction. She actually did like to tunnel, but Sandgorse took all the joy out of it for her. She just stressed and stressed and stressed over whether she was digging the way Sandgorse wanted her to (even if it didn't suit her) or if Sandgorse was in a bad mood or not. Her relationship with Tallpaw is fractured over this briefly, as she sides with her father and starts begging Tallpaw to "just go with it" so he could be accepted too.

-She doesn't say it, but Sandgorse's death was a relief. She was devastated, she was angry that it happened... but she felt like she could breathe. This made her feel horribly guilty- how could she feel better with her father buried in the earth rather than besides her? It's a big motivator for her joining Talltail on his quest, and when she finally speaks about these feelings to Talltail, it pushes the two of them to process their feelings about their father and helps them reconcile in the long run.

-However, she is still left as a massive perfectionist, to the detriment of herself.

-Bisexual. Sandgorse was not a fan of this either.

-Bonded with Smokemask later in life, and felt very comfortable around him. She felt she could mess up in front of him and not beat herself up over it. She originally wasn't going to have kittens, in fear of restarting the cycle she experienced with her family, but felt confident about having them with Smokemask.

-Unfortunately, Smokemask was slain in a border skirmish with ShadowClan before their second litter was born. The stress of this, as well as the cold season and sickness, left Finchsong weakened, and she didn't survive her kitting, along with two of her kittens.

Smokemask:

-OC character, his parents are filler characters intended to help the gene pool a bit. Born shortly after Tall and Finch, he was mostly just casual friends with them before growing very close to Finchsong later in life.

-He didn't have a lot going on. Go boy give us nothing

-Also bi probably

-Was a more calm and chilled out character than anything to contrast with Finchsong's stressed and stubborn character.

-Was close to his son Longtail.

-Unfortunately died before meeting his second litter in a border skirmish.

Longtail:

-Finch and Smoke's firstborn, he was a single-kit litter. He's only about seven moons older than Sandstorm.

-Might have been in the skirmish that killed his dad. Whoops!

-More trans swag, also aro ace.

-Was devastated when his mother died, as he was very close to her. He was a worrywart over his baby sister, to the point where he was allowed to visit her in ThunderClan and build a relationship with her. He spent a lot of time in the nursery because of this and ended up becoming very good with children. (Minus Firepaw oops)

-When Sandkit wanted to stay in ThunderClan, he was torn. Deciding that he wanted his sister to be happy, but not wanting to be apart from her, he left WindClan so that she'd have some kin over there.

-This does become a point of insecurity for him, however. ThunderClan doubts his loyalty and the older warriors constantly question him when they're at conflict with WindClan. This makes it very easy for him to get sucked up into Tigerclaw's friend group, where he adapts their harmful mindset. He decides that to be a true ThunderClan warrior, he and Sandkit have to renounce their WindClan relation and prove himself by protecting ThunderClan from treacherous outsiders.

-This is part of why he's so antagonistic to Firepaw. He lashes out because this is his chance to prove that he's not like those outsiders. Plus, he feels pretty humiliated being on equal standing with a kittypet. At least HE'S clanborn.

-This gets worse when Sandstorm gets close to Fireheart, he doubles down, but after Tigerclaw's exile, he's thrown head first into what his life will be like if he keeps up his xenophobic beliefs. Slowly, but surely, he tries to patch things up with Fireheart and really empathize with him, realizing they're not so different and opening up to him. Xenophobia loss.

-He gets put through the wringer hard. It's canon compliant from here on out til Swiftpaw's death, which he takes extremely hard. Fireheart, despite their terrible past, is a shoulder for him to lean on during this time. At this point, Sandstorm is pregnant, and Longtail decides to put his faith in Fireheart and follow him.

-After Whitestorm's death, Fireheart makes Longtail deputy. He makes for a good deputy for most of the year, but steps down when he's blinded in the first book of TNP (there's a smaller time gap between TPB and TNP)

-Dotes on Sandstorm's descendants pretty hard

Sandstorm:

-Was the only surviving kit in Finchsong's second litter.

-There were no other queens in the nursery when Sandkit was born, so no one could feed her. Thinking fast, Barkface remembered that one of ThunderClan's mollies had had a litter very recently, and said that Sandkit should be taken there to be fed.

-Her foster siblings were Dustkit and Ravenkit. She grew very close to Dustkit in particular. Dust and Raven's parents are unnamed ThunderClan cats that also happen to die pretty early in their lives.

-Bluestar had agreed to give her back to WindClan when she was weaned, but Sandkit cried and cried and clung to her foster mother when the time came. She didn't want to leave the forest, not her mother or Dustkit. Tallstar tried to make her come back... but quickly realized that he would just be making her miserable, thinking back to his brief romance with Jake, where the latter was clearly miserable living as a wild cat full time. Knowing that ThunderClan's numbers had been cut down harshly after their recent plague and that Bluestar was worried about their population, Tallstar agreed to allow Sandkit to be a ThunderClan cat.

-Growing up, however, she definitely felt her clanmates' judgement for not being born in ThunderClan. Even her best friend Dustpaw seemed to agree that while she was a good friend, it made sense that not everyone trusted her for not being born there. Similar to Longtail, her hostility to other clan cats and Firepaw stemmed from this insecurity.

-Loved her older brother a lot and admired him. She was very offended that he lost to Firepaw, which made her resent him even more as an apprentice.

-She was horrified when WindClan was driven out, however.

-When Fireheart, Graystripe, Whitestorm, and Tigerclaw are sent to find WindClan, Sandpaw follows them, outraged that the kittypet was sent to find them instead of her. Fireheart and Graystripe bicker with her, asking why she was bothering with the journey. At first, she refuses to tell them the real reason, embarrassed at what Fireheart may say about her heritage. But when Sandpaw nearly gets hit by a monster on the large thunderpath, Fireheart saves her, hurting himself in the process.

-As he's nursed back to health, Sandpaw stiffly thanks him for saving her. The two of them nearly bicker again, but it actually ends up being a nice enough conversation. Sandpaw finally tells Fireheart about her WindClan family, and how she felt out of place in ThunderClan sometimes because of it. And Fireheart... actually finds a bit of comfort in that, knowing that someone else felt the same pressure he did to prove themself. The two of them realize they have far more in common and Sandpaw gives him a thorough apology for how she treated him when he was an apprentice.

-When they find WindClan, she feels very awkward, but Uncle Tallstar is exceedingly happy to see her. He immediately trusts the ThunderClan patrol because of her presence. The two of them bond throughout the journey back home, Sandpaw feeling encouraged by Fireheart to reach out to her uncle and not renounce a relationship with him entirely.

-Despite running away, Whitestorm encourages Bluestar to make Sandpaw a warrior after the journey.

-There's a pretty big shift in the original five apprentice group dynamic after this. Graystripe pulls away due to his relationship with Silverstream, and Fireheart ends up leaning more on Sandstorm. Sandstorm ends up feeling more comfortable around Fireheart than around Dustpelt, who spends more time parroting Tigerstar these days and making her feel like there are strings attached to their friendship. Fireheart never made her feel like she had to pretend to be someone she wasn't, and she ended up loving his thoughtful and determined nature. Her friendship with Dustpelt implodes when she snaps at him for making a cruel joke about WindClan, and though they reconcile later when Dustpelt gets better, they are never that close ever again.

-She and Fireheart get together in Rising Storm, and their first litter (Squirrelkit/Leafkit) is born in The Darkest Hour. A couple of moons after The Last Hope, Sandstorm has their second litter (Sparkkit/Dandelionkit)

#razorverse #wc rewrite #sandgorse #palebird #tallstar #finchkit #longtail #sandstorm #family tree redux #< might do more of these so this is the tag for that #sorry if some of this is a bit incomprehensible. i've been kinda lightheaded all day

[gingerakao]

Palebird-Sandgorse family tree

| Masterpost |

| Palebird-Woolytail family tree |

#warrior cats #warrior cat #warriors #sandgorse #palebird #tallstar #finchkit #windclan #my art #genetically accurate warrior cats #cat genetics

[clanslist]

#Sandgorse #Warrior Cats #WindClan #wc #Tunnelers #Tunneler

[dakotach]

My last drawings for inktober

I don't wanna draw :P

The last unfinished drawing with lucky people because of their dads

#fan art #art #inktober #traditional art #warrior cats #sandgorse #tallstar #tallstar warrior cats #fnaf #fnaf fanart #springtrap #spring bonnie #william afton #jake warrior cats #dsaf dave #dsaf jack #dsaf fanart #dsaf old sport #dsaf #dayshift at freddy's #henry miller #michael afton #afton family #evan afton #elizabeth afton #toad #brambleclaw #tigerstar

[would-you-punt-them]

Sandgorse (Warrior Cats)

#would you punt them #into the sun #tumblr poll #wc #warrior cats #warriors #warriors series #sandgorse #wc sandgorse #sandgorse wc

[loulou3010]

So heres the scene with tallpaw in the tunels .The scene is from tallstar's revenge (witch is my favourite super edition) .In scene sandgorse took tallpaw tunelling and as you can see tallpaw doesnt rlly like being in the tunels.Anyways hope you like it :)

#drawing #artists on tumblr #warrior cats #artwork #digital art #cats #tallstar's revenge #tallstar warrior cats #tallstar #sandgorse #tallpaw and sandgorse #tunels #windclan territory #tunelers #requested

[mothmans-wedding-photographer]

I really don't like how the fandom went from "Palebird is the worst most abusive mom ever and she should die" to "Palebird did nothing wrong actually her depression excuses everything" like I really think there should be some middle ground?

The fact that her depression makes her ignore her son makes her a bad mother. Not a bad mother like Rainflower, mind you; Rainflower chose not to be a mom; Palebird couldn't be one. But mental illness is not an excuse for bad actions. If someone has violent or mean outbursts because of their mental illness, it's may not be their fault, but it is their responsibility. Palebird never apologized for the way she treated Talltail for his entire childhood. In fact, she continued treating him badly.

Palebird moves on from her late husband and has a new litter of children, acting much happier and loving her new kits deeply. But she still ignores Talltail and doesn't seem to care about him at all. When Talltail leaves WindClan, she doesn't even speak to him, or tell him goodbye. All she does is tell her new children that he'll come back, ignoring Talltail when he says he's not.

When Talltail comes back, she's not happy to see him. She wasn't worried about him. She SCOLDS him for taking her kits out of camp, despite him not doing that and actually saving them from a hawk! She doesn't even say hello. He's nothing to her; she has shiny new babies now. And this is never resolved. Palebird is just like this.

She's not as bad as Rainflower, but she's still a terrible mother. And there's other conversations to be had, about her portrayal versus Sandgorse's, who was worse, and the misogyny seemingly involved with that, but that's not the point of this post. The point is that people really give Palebird too much credit, just like they give Shellheart too much credit.

#palebird #sandgorse #talltail #tallstar #tallstar's revenge #warrior cats

[angrylesbianstereotype]

Not to get too heated ab Warrior Cats or anything but I was thinking ab it and the reason my girl Hollyleaf doesn’t get dragged by the fandom like my other two faves Bluestar and Squirrelflight- despite also being a strongheaded highly motivated female character, and despite being ostensibly more morally compromised than either of them- is bc Hollyleaf never became a mother <3 we see it in the series text all the time; shitty dads are only made so by their own traumatic circumstances and are deserving of grace and a chance at redemption (Crowfeather, Sandgorse) but queens who are anything less than perfect madonnas are either depicted as being irredeemably evil and shallow(Rainflower, Lizardstripe) or are disproportionately punished by the narrative (Leafpool and Squirrelflight during the trial). The fandom is no better; Bluestar and Squirrelflight are judged almost solely by how people feel about the decisions they made on behalf of their children, which are often taken out of context to vilify and mischaracterize them, and to excuse the actions of the male characters playing opposite them eg Bramblestar and Thistleclaw

#*nasally nerd voice* if you’ve actually read bluestar’s prophecy you’ll know that bluestar did NOT kill mosskit!! #goosefeather literally told her all her kits would drown in blood if she didn’t become deputy instead of thistleclaw #she thought she was doing what was best for them and the clan #warrior cats #hollyleaf #squirrelflight #bluestar #crowfeather #sandgorse #rainflower #lizardstripe #leadpool #bramblestar #thistleclaw

[everybody-loves-purdy]

I’m a professional Palebird fan and Sandgorse hater. Fuck Sandgorse

I’m glad the thing that killed him was that dangerous tunnel that he was so cruel to Tallpaw about. He’s just awful,every single interaction we see that he has with Tallkit is about tunnelling. Any affection is tunnelling related affection. It’s like he doesn’t care about having a child, he cares about having someone to follow in his footsteps.

And Palebird gets way too much hate, as of where I’m up to on my reread (Chapter 21) Palebird has done absolutely nothing wrong? She’s experiencing post partum depression and her worse crime is just being a little distant? Some people make her out like she’s Rainflower. The worst thing I can think of her doing is just being a bit abrupt about cutting off Tallkit’s milk, she doesn’t wean him, but the book makes it clear that it’s intertwined with her depression. And beyond that she does clearly care for him, she’s distant like I say but she always looks out for him and does express interest in him when she’s having a okay day (emotionally). She supports the decision to have the tunnels because it ensures Tallpaw’s safety, despite being a tunneller herself. The complete opposite of the reaction Sandgorse would have given if Palebird was the one to die in the tunnels instead.

#chimeraas #Sandgorse #Palebird

[warriors-pride]

can i have a (gay) bear lesboy, npd and adhd thistleclaw, sandgorse, and brambleclaw?

#icon #warriors icons #credit to warriorsproject #credit to cloudtail #thistleclaw #sandgorse #bramblestar #brambleclaw #bear #lesbian #lesboy #lesboythistleclaw

[wc-confessions]

As someone who read Tallstar’s Revenge until a few chapters after Sandgorse died-

I honestly feel like barely anybody talks about how much of an @$$ of a father Sandgorse is to Tallstar.

Like - correct me if I’m wrong, but

It kind of seems like to me that Sandgorse doesn’t really care about Tallkit because he’s his son,

But rather the fact that his “love” towards his son is based on Tallpaw continuing the LEGACY and participating in the CAREER of tunneling.

Sandgorse probably and/or possibly did NOT love Tallpaw because he’s his son. He “loved” him based on what he wants him to BE.

Because once when Tallpaw states to him that he doesn’t want to be a tunneler after he’s apprenticed to be a moor runner, Sandgorse avoids him-

Until attempts to possibly convince Tallpaw to become a tunneler by showing him how his career works within the tunnels.

And when the plan of tunnels being between Riverclan and WindClan are cancelled by Heatherstar, Sandgorse automatically blames Tallpaw for their cancellation.

Also, as far as I know, Sandgorse NEVER apologized for his crappy actions towards Tallpaw, even when he sees Tallstar again in order to give him a life.

And although what I’m about to say here feels more of a fan speculation than a actual cannon thing-

I honestly feel like Sandgorse was nice to Tallstar and decided give him that life because of the fact that after Sandgorse died, Tallpaw decided that he should become a tunneler - like Sandgorse always wanted him to be.

And while some people may understand Sandgorse’s point of view, and that the career he loves was, indeed, gradually crumbling away from his paws-

That does NOT excuse his shitty behavior towards his own son, and disliking Tallpaw for not taking a career that he doesn’t even want to be a part of.

If Sandgorse was actually good father, while he would be upset about another apprentice - especially his own son - not becoming a tunneler, he would’ve at least respected the fact that Tallpaw’s want to have a career that is different to his, with him actually loving him - at the very least, mainly - because of the fact that Tallpaw is his son, and NOT because of what he wants his son to be.

So yeah…I honestly believe that Sandgorse a crappy father to Tallstar.

ㅤ

#confession #sandgorse #tallstar