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Snaters: Patronus can't lie. James having a Stag and Lily a Doe is the proof that they are perfect for each other. And if Snape had also a doe, it's just obsession, he copied Lily's patronus after all!
Reality:
1) you CAN'T create patronus from a obsession because that's not a pure feeling
2) Sorry lads but Stag and Doe are only together during the mating season, the rest of the time stags with together in herds, like does do. Stag and doe doesn't live together. So it's more James's patronus who could mean obsession since a stag come near of a doe only during mating season (so for sex), right?
3) yeah. for what i read somewhere, does live together in small herds to raise the baby fawns and live together. So it could mean that Snape feelings are pure and platonic (after all nothing say the kind of love he had for her. The only one who thought that Snape wanted her is Voldemort)
4) if Snape's patronus being the same than Lily's patronus is a obsession, can we say that Harry is obsessed with his dad and Tonks with Remus?
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Anon pulled out those receipts 😭💯
Spare them, Anon! You’re killing them 😩
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I do feel a lot of snape fans underestimate his cruelty, which I kinda get because its his most gross aspect, specially towards harry, for me it reaches its peak in hbp when snape makes harry go through sirius and james's school records, no matter how rightious his hatred of both is, snape is pupously triggering harry, the wounds of sirius's death still fresh, and this is all after snape knows~ that harry has to die within a year or so.
Thats brutal, I also do think he was making fun of harry's abuse during the occlumency lessons, he is capable of it. All of this is why I feel very uncomfortable when parts of the snapedom try to rationalizr snape's treatment of harry or say that somehow harry participated to create the animosity ("snape is angry because harry puts his life in danger") there is nothing rational about it and thats...fine, snape is a character that is cruel to children, gotta deal w it.
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gold-snek-hoe · 2 months
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Hello and welcome to Opinions from an Internet Nobody. Today's essay:
"Ger therapy" is the new "You need Jesus": One Weirdo's Navigation through Cultural Shame
This is a supposedly well-meaning sentiment that is often weaponized against people who are behaving outside of perceived cultural norms. It's a favorite of homophobes who see queerness/transness as a mental illness, but I've been seeing it used to demonize kink (which historically is often linked to queerness), and more generally any "weird" behavior that makes people uncomfortable.
For example, otherkin, systems (especially those with fictives), and people who take fictional characters as partners. Y'know, "weirdos" who "can't separate reality from fiction." And, sure, sometimes there can be a problem with that distinction, but I know as well as you that most internet strangers saying "get therapy" don't actually give a shit about the mental health of those they target. It's code for "your behavior makes me uncomfortable, stop it."
Same sentiment as "you need Jesus."
This has actually taken me a long time to figure out. I've been in therapy for my entire adult life, working through various traumas, severe depression, anxiety, all that. Those were the biggest problems as they negatively impacted, and often endangered, my life. It was only after my hospitalization in 2020, where I was finally put on much needed medication, that I could start to grow into myself.
I changed my name. I top surgery. I came out as polyamorous. I finally got my official autism diagnosis. Now I'm fuckin' married! But... there are still things I'm working through in therapy. Mainly, shame over my "weirder" behaviors. My current therapist has been a huge blessing in helping me accept the things I was too ashamed to admit.
Now, I feel comfortable enough to share.
I'm otherkin. Always have been. My connection to my humanity is tenuous, and I'm sure that's connected to my autism. When mad, I feel phantom horns sprouting from my forehead. I have a tail that swishes back and forth at the base of my spine. In my soul, I am monstrous, and years of therapy has not erased that.
I feel like I'm only half in the physical world most of the time. This doesn't hinder my real-world success (I graduated college Summa Cum Laude, have an IMDB page, and am on my third book), but informs the way I look at the world. There's a whole other universe in my head that hums along with me in my day-to-day. That's part of why I'm so skilled as a writer. To ask me to divorce from that is to tell me to stop existing. Sorry, it's how I've always operated.
Lastly, and this is the one I'm really anxious about, I have a fictional husband. Now, looking at my blog, you might say "yeah, no shit," but I don't just ship myself with him. I mean I practice pop-culture Witchcraft, and the Goblin King is my patron. I mean I have a Labyrinth-themed tarot deck that I talk to him with. I mean I held a ritual to spiritually marry him. Basically, I Snape-wived myself.
And guess what? My therapist isn't concerned. It's not hurting my ability to live my life. I have other interests, hobbies, and goals outside of him, which he actively encourages in all our tarot sessions! I wouldn't be doing this if he didn't support me. My IRL spouse is usually there for whatever magical shit I'm doing, and supports me! Some of my closest friends know, and the only complaint I've gotten is "this guy seems important to you, I wish you told me sooner." Hell, my MOTHER knows and supports me, which is huge, because our relationship was pretty damaged after I came out as trans.
If you have a problem with the way I live my life, when literally nobody else does, take a good long look at why. You don't give a fuck about my mental health. You just don't like that I'm weird.
Tl;dr: My mental health is better than it's ever been since embracing the weird, so leave me and my imaginary husband Marak Sixfinger alone.
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There’s this thing I call “the Snape effect.”
It refers to when certain morally complex characters are SO controversial in the fandom that it is REALLY hard to have any sort of nuanced discussion about them without getting severely ratioed with lots of angry unhinged replies accusing you of immorality or delusion or whatever. If you interpret the character as anything besides the one-dimensional boogeyman the fandom insists they are, you are at best dumb and at worst a disgusting apologist. It goes well beyond typical “villain discourse”.
Every so often I get into a fandom and I see a character discourse where I’m like “oh this is reminding me of Snape discourse in the HP fandom” even if I don’t particularly care for the character.
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Bold of JKR to assume we'd find Snape unattractive, based on her description of a hook-nosed, black-haired, sallow-skinned, thin dude
Miss ma'am.
I am Italian. That is what most men in my country look like. That is literally what my dating pool is.
Ma'am.
Please.
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curlspen · 2 years
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Do the “Draco was just a boy, Snape was an adult!” crowd realize that Severus is significantly younger in the books? Severus was only 20-21 when he turncoaked The Deatheaters and become a spy, the brain doesn’t develop impulse control and non-b&w thinking until 25 at the absolute earliest and prolonged trauma (which Severus had and Draco didn’t) physically damages the brain, slowing that process down.
Severus was groomed as a teenager (about the same age as Draco was) into a rising cult by an, at the time, charismatic young Tom Riddle who was at his height of manipulation and power. And Severus was canonically abused by a muggle man and by Gryffindors mercilessly his whole developing years. That crowd incessantly fanons that Draco was “abused” by his parents when he wasn’t but hate Severus like make it make sense.
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vyrid · 13 days
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Hermione does not, in any way, overpower Tom Riddle, in any field. 
For evidence purposes, I'll use all of their achievements from book one to book 7. Instead of going on a long, disorganized tangent, we'll cut them down into 3 categories: studies, wit, and talent/strength. (I swear theres a difference between wit + studies.)
Studies --
During school, Hermione:
Was referred to as the brightest witch of her school year by Lupin
Got 10 OWLS (2 less than Bill and Charlie)
Prefect
She did get Slughorn's favour to an extent
During school, Tom Riddle:
Was referred to as the brightest kid to step into Hogwarts (possibly ever) by Albus Dumbledore
His grades are never revealed, but it is implied time and time again that he was a model student with a spotless record
Prefect and Headboy
Got a Special Award For Services to the School (hes a rat 😭)
Slughorn's favorite despite being Muggleborn and broke
There is not much I can work on in the studies department, because there isn't much text to support their performances involving the school directly, but it's obvious that Tom Riddle takes the cake. With every bullet point presented, Riddle's side of achievments is always 3x more impressive. I would like to add that he thrived in DADA and didn't shy away from any dark subjects, while Hermione was too scared to put thought into DADA + was too impatient with Divination (which I don't blame her for.)
If I had to compare them involving other characters, I would say that Tom Riddle is right up there with Albus Dumbledore and Gellert Grindelwald, while Hermione falls below tier near James Potter and Severus Snape.
If Severus Snape is no match for Tom Riddle (atleast when he was sane), then Hermione isn't a match for Severus. Snape was the BEST potions boy to go to Hogwarts -- it could be argued that Lily was also up there but yk shes dead so we don't care about that -- and he wasn't scared to apply his studies in the Dark Arts to real life. He was a smart kid, and even though he was below Tom Riddle in terms of brilliance, he was pretty darn smart. If Hermione cannot even reach his level, it's kind of silly to compare her to Tom Riddle.
Wit --
This one is a no brainer. The thing that sets them apart is their ability to think outside of the box.
Tom Riddle believed in a world of magic. He believed there was not a limit in which magic could be stopped. He achieved GREAT things simply by letting his trust in his own magic and the wonders of the Wizarding World lead him to his goals.
Hermione is close minded. She believes what she wants to believe, and most of her information comes from her precious, reliable books. She was too close minded to believe in divination. She was too close minded to sit back and think that, perhaps, house elves were made a certain way in which they ENJOYED labour (which is a whole other discussion), she was too close minded to believe in the Death Hallows. She was too close minded to think that there could possibly be a better, alternative recipe to a potion that didn't come straight from the school book. Her refusal to simply believe held her back from many opportunities.
Hermione is studious. Tom Riddle is BRILLIANT. Most of Hermione's knowledge comes from what she's been taught at school, but Tom Riddle went out and learned his own knowledge. And that's not a bad thing. Being studious and smart already sets her apart from many, many people.
But Tom Riddle wasn't just a studious guy. He was a genius, a prodigy, kind of a psychopath. He learned at a young age how and exactly when to use his strengths to get what he wants. He carried himself up as social ladder reserved solely for purebloods before even finding out his heritage as the descendant of Salazar Slytherin. He made a grown adult women scared of him as a child. He didn't use his wit for good, no, but was he pretty damn smart? Yeah.
Talent and Strength --
When Hermione was a kid, she learned to utilize what she had around her to catch up with other kids. She taught herself the syllabus before even getting into school and even learned spells without being taught by Professors! She was always the first one to get the spell right and was quick on her feet in an argument. She had a lot of brewing talent in her. It is not easy to be thrown into a whole new world but she took all of it with grace.
She was amazing at spells. When the trio ran away during the 7th book, she was their rock to lean on--for strength, for protection, for guidance. She knew every spell in the book to hide them away from Voldemort.
Her duelling skills, while not on par with Harry's, were pretty darn good, too. She could hold her own in a duel if she really needed to get out of their alive, using her quick thinking and sometimes, deception. Ex. (When she changed Harry's face to not resemble him when they got caught by snatchers.)
I give Hermione a lot of credit in the book. She was stronger than she needed to be at a young age, and she handled it better than most people did.
Tom Riddle on the other hand...
His talent is unmatched when it comes to anybody else.
He learned to get a hold on his magic and command it like the king that he is at the baby age of one digits. Because of all the instances at Wool's Orphanage, it isn't crazy to assume that this wasn't just a case of accidental magic. He knew exactly what he was doing, and he knew exactly how to call onto his magic to do his bidding. I don't think even Dumbledore could have said he was able to do that.
He was a parselmouth. It's less a talent and more a skill, but he used his hereditary trait to manipulate and use another type of magic to do what he wanted. Speaking to snakes is one thing--getting them to actually listen to you has to count for something.
He made horcruxes at the age of 16. That is a type of deadly, deadly magic. It is so forbidden it doesn't even fall under Forbidden magic because it's blasphemous to even think to do it. The fact that his magic was so strong that he could go through that process and come our alive is actually crazy.
He made a whole persona for himself, under Lord Voldemort, and got a whole race of people to follow him blindly. He wasn't even a pureblood and he still had them down on their knees. That's talent.
He could perform all forbidden curses with ease and not get drained. Moody says that you have to mean your intent and that nobody can *just* cast the curses. You have to have the willpower and strength to cast them--the fact that Voldemort could cast dozens of them at a time without thinking about it already sets him apart in strength from Hermione. I doubt even Snape, as he brilliant as he is, would dare push his limits like that.
I don't want this to get SUPER long, but here are some things I left out about Riddle and didn't know how to add on the list.
He found the long lost Chamber of Secrets during his time at Hogwarts. It was there for millions of years--he can't have been the ONLY descendant. It's safe to say he was one of the first people to open it and actually use it for his own gain.
He acquired the Elder Wand. I mean, so did Harry and Dumbledore, but it doesn't change the fact that he did. He was kind of dumb when he grew up and became all insane but that's impressive, too.
It is implied that he was at the brink of winning the war before Harry killed him on Halloween. If he hadn't taken the bait, maybe we'd see a world overrun by his power.
He didn't inspire fear in just Britain. He inspired fear across the world. Harry Potter was known across every wizarding community, such as Bulgaria. That means they must've known Voldemort too. There was lots of foreign people at the world cup, but every single one of them ran at the sight of the Death Eaters--which means they recognize his sign in some sort of way. The Gregrovitch family recognizes him, as does the German witch does when she sees him in folds in fear.
Sorry, this became a long rant of Voldemort's powers and not just a comparison, but it does go to show that Hermione being even near his level. It's just not plausible.
You're welcome to argue with me or correct me on my oversights! I haven't fact checked everything and I won't be offended if you correct some points. (Also there is a lot of typos and I have a cut on my finger so please dont kill me for my grammar 😭)
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fanfic-lover-girl · 1 month
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How James Potter's character discourse could have been easily solved by JKR
Now, I love redemption arcs. While I would probably never get with a guy in real life who hurt me in the past, I love seeing how a guy can atone and build a loving relationship with a girl who was hurt by him in the past and how the girl came to forgive him. I love seeing male characters become better men. Bonus if the men had to grovel to prove themselves hah.
So in theory, I should like James Potter and Jily. However, I don't. I used to like James when I first got into HP but the fan discourse really soured me on him, especially the victim blaming and glorification of bullying. I also did not like how James' bad side was usually swept under the rug in the fics I read.
The main problem with James Potter is the show vs tell with his redemption. On screen/on page, we see his awful moments first-hand or see his problematic behaviour justified or downplayed by the narrative. However, we only hear about his good moments second-hand. That's why James discourse is circular and tiring.
To make it worse, we hear about his good moments in arguably not objective contexts. Of course, Remus and Sirius will big up their mate to his son when he expresses doubt. Of course, Minerva and Dumbledore will speak highly of someone from their own house who was a good athlete and headboy. Of course, people usually don't speak ill of the dead - especially loving parents who died as martyrs protecting their son. Of course Snape can't be trusted because he is a mean, nasty teacher. So when we hear these things about James, there's always that lingering doubt about whether the claims are completely true.
Moreover, Sirius and Remus never tell us how James redeemed himself. Just that he deflated his head...what the hell does that mean?? Did James apologize or express regret about hurting people? I need more details.
Another problem is that James died young so we never got to really see him as a mature adult. So to estimate his behaviour, we have to look at his friends (birds of a feather flock together) but Sirius and Remus are...questionable. Still love you Sirius! Best marauder hands down buddy! I love your family :)
So! How could JKR fix this if she wanted to? Simple. Have Sirius or Remus show Harry a pensive memory of James post SWM.
It always bothered me how little Harry seemed to care about his parents. Remus and Sirius were right there - why not ask about all the marauder adventures? Hagrid composed that album for him in book 1 from people who were supposedly friends with the Potters - why not reach out to them? Harry comes to you accusing James of tricking Lily into being with him...why not help him out by showing James as a good boyfriend and person? Why not show him a pensieve memory of how he proved himself to Lily? Or a memory of James being a just headboy? I would have loved to see some heartwarming James moments. It would not erase what he did to Snape but at least James would be better portrayed as a good person who just hated that nobody Slytherin out of immaturity.
Anyway, I think how James was written makes for a richer narrative but a lot could have been solved in fandom if JKR showed us some good James moments free of bias. James Potter is a character I am partially primed to like! I just needed to see how he changed. Being a good parent and husband is not enough. Evil characters can be good family men too so that means nothing. Jily is not good enough evidence that James was a changed man.
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heidi891 · 6 months
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I find the discourse about Snape’s height (or any other character’s height) so confusing and hilarious. Like, what do you mean he’s 5'9''. What does it mean, I have no idea. I’ve heard that 6' is tall. Am I even writing it correctly?
OK, Google to the rescue! So apparently 6' is almost 183 cm. But I’m not going to google every single value I see on Tumblr…
However, I can say with confidence that Snape is 178 cm tall 😎
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dastardly-lemondrops · 3 months
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Someone seemed surprised that I consider 165 cm as a height to be short, and I think that's a good point. That's about how tall I am, and I'm considered unusually short for a grown man in the US, but when I lived in Japan, I was still shorter than average, but it wasn't so drastic. And then I take into consideration the fact that I have mixed (white) European and Filipino ancestry, that's probably a contirubing factor to my height. Can't discount malabsorption from crohn's, but I feel like I know tall people with crohn's. But I guess my point is that what's considered 'tall' is really subjective, and headcanons about Snape's height could really take a lot of factors into consideration about his background, childhood, etc. It's funny because I really don't hc Harry as short at all, but people who do cite malnutrition as a reason. You could imagine the same being true for Snape, and I think both thoughts are totally valid. Personally, I like to imagine Eileen and Tobias are also just fairly short people.
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spindrifters · 11 months
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gonna say something bold but when you look at the actually batshit timeline of snape's worst memory (with the prank™ happening *checks notes* a few days earlier) I think there's a case to be made for james deciding to have a go at snape just then because things with the gang are tense and this has always been a great way to unite the A team in the past, right? right??? only he's 16 and stupid and everyone's still reeling and a little weird from the event so. yeah. bad idea actually. idk just a thought that I had.
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So Snaters are saying everything good Snape did doesn’t count because it’s out of
“Selfish intention”
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Snape gained nothing from anything he did…no recognition or appreciation until after he died, in fact, he was earnest about not receiving any
There was a long pause, and slowly Snape regained control of himself, mastered his own breathing. At last he said, "Very well. Very well. But never - never tell, Dumbledore! This must be between us! Swear it! I cannot bear...especially Potter's son...I want your word!"
And the “he only defected for Lily! That’s selfish!”
Wrong. He was in the middle of a war and left the WINNING side to join the losing side for Lily…that’s the opposite of selfish. He gained nothing from doing that, it was for her. And I don’t wanna hear that he was expecting her to “give him something in return” because that’s nothing more than a speculation. He apologized to her in 5th year and left her alone like she wished…ppl act like he stalked her
He also received no pleasure from it. Risking his life for 13+ years by lying and deceiving the most POWERFUL dark wizard, being stuck in two places that filled him with trauma (Hogwarts and Spinners End), dealing with the offspring (and carbon copy) of his tormentor everyday, the fact that Harry was always putting himself in danger, dealing with Dumbledores ass everyday, etc. etc.
What pleasure was he getting out of this? I wanna know
I wanna know the thought process behind this logic
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professorsnape · 18 days
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rewritingcanon · 2 months
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Hi, I know I'm over a week late and all, but I couldn't leave it be cause this subject is really a sensitive matter to me for tragic personal reasons. I want to say that the reason you don't remember James ever "continuously asking Lily out; sexually harassing Lily; always asking her out and not taking no for an answer" is not because it's been a while since you read the books and forgot, no, it's simply because is DOESN'T HAPPEN IN THE BOOKS! PERIOD! It's not CANON and it boils my blood to no end when people make shit like this up and make such grave accusations when anyone owns the books and can check on their own that this did NOT happen in them! I dare anyone to bring forth any passage from the books that says any of that! The more they insist that this is canon, the angrier and more offended and hurt I get! I'm endlessly sorry about anyone's personal experience with such crimes (if I wasn't clear enough, I'm unfortunately familiar with them, too) but that does not change simple facts of what happened in the books, what IS and what is NOT canon and it's not an excuse to spread lies so insistently and passionately. Either this is willfully spreading lies or, and I will give benefit of the doubt, it's just people confusing canon with fanon after being in fandom and reading fanfics too much, in which case I would suggest rereading the books and brushing up with the canon knowledge, before spreading such harmful and hurtful rhetoric :/
hi, thank you for this ask and i’m sorry for what you’ve had to go through as well. yeah, i haven’t heard anyone contradict what i said in that post so i assume it was just something the fandom made up. i’m sure ace just confused fanon with canon— no victim would purposefully be spreading lies like that even if they did hate james because they would know how serious sexual abuse is having gone through it themselves. plus i’ve seen them complain about the same things with what some marauders fans say about snape, so i’m sure they didn’t do it on purpose and their intentions were good. but i won’t put it past other people in the hp fandom/snapedom to use it as a bandwagon to continue shitting on james without doing their due diligence and checking if something as serious as that is true or not.
i do agree that people need to be more focused on what is canon and what isn’t, especially with the harry potter fandom since its so large and very removed from a lot of its content, and especially if they are in the snapedom and the marauders fandom, because both fandoms seem to get the most carried away with their characters in my personal experience. i’ve seen people throw around creepy allegations at many characters and it really hurts and annoys me too, even if those characters are considered nasty. it’s one thing to say something like “[x] canonly likes porridge” (who cares in this instance) or “[x] is canonly gay” (annoying and probably ignorant but also whatever), and then say “[x] canonly sexually harrassed [y]” (….helllo??? cant speak for everyone but its definitely offensive to me lol). sometimes concentrated sub-fandoms may be a little like echo chambers so its good to brush up then and again on certain things. its good to interrogate people’s opinions and challenge them. you dont have to comment or reblog (i know i don’t…. usually 🧍‍♀️) but it can keep you from falling into repeating things that just confuse (or worse, hurt) people more.
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jewishregulus · 1 month
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wait what do you think on snape ?
i am personally a fan not in a he did nothing wrong way but in a whatever the hell is wrong with him is really fun and entertaining , but i don’t go out of my way to consume content for him… when i stumble upon it it is like a nice little treat! but i haven’t found a lot of snape related content w a version of regulus i find intriguing and i only read things 4 regulus bc he’s the only character i gaf abt !!! so it’s abit tricky 4 me … but in general i like him a lot and i like his weird transgender vibe
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curlspen · 2 years
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It is abhorrent that a large percentage of the HP fandom, for a while it felt like the majority, minimized rich boys waterboarding and sexually abusing a poor kid “because he exists” and “to liven themselves up” as a “rivalry”. That is abuse. That is trauma. That’s not “boys being boys”, that’s not a teenage thing.
Severus is under less than no obligation to “get over” that and he is not petty or spiteful for still being angry about being abused as a child. Period.
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