#specifically Jason and Steph

[batfamhyperfixation]

Batkid Groupchat

Dick: someone save me pls

Jason: What's wrong?

Dick: Gala at Wayne Manor

Dick: This guy won't stop talking to me

Jason: lol sucks to suck

Damian: Sorry Richard, I cannot attend to the situation. That would give up my hiding spot.

Damian: I meant vantage point.

Damian: If any of you tell Bruce, I will murder you.

Cass: Damian, look up

*sends photo of Damian in the rafters of Wayne Manor*

Damian: Ah, great minds think alike I see.

Tim: hold up Dick, I wanna get out of this conversation too, I'll be over in a sec

Steph: Can't relate

Steph: This is why you don't let the first billionaire who offers adopt you

Steph: then you gotta go to the stuffy parties

Steph: Duke and I are the only smart ones

Duke: Agreed, have fun at the party

Later at the Gala

*Red Hood and the Outlaws come busting through the door*

Red Hood: This is a hostage situation

Red Hood: We want Dick Grayson, Tim Drake, Cassandra Cain, and Damian Wayne.

Bruce, also desperately wanting to get out: Aren't you forgetting someone

Red Hood: Oh, right, Alfred Pennyworth

Bruce: aren't you forgetting someone else?

Red Hood: No

Bruce: Ja- Red Hood. Aren't you going to take me!

Red Hood: what would I need you for? I already have CEO of Wayne enterprises *ruffles Tim's hair, about to get fought by Tim* (under his breath: you fight back, I'm leaving you behind), a police officer, biological son of a billionaire, cool af dancer Cassandra Cain, and Alfred the Almighty

Bruce: don't you want a billionaire too?

Red Hood: If I take you, who is going to pay the ransom?

*Taking the Batkids and Alfred out of the gala as Bruce pouts*

Jason: one of you swipped Bruce's credit card before we left, right?

Tim: of course, we aren't amateurs

Jason: then ice cream on Bruce!

#steph and duke were already out in the car waiting #this was a team effort #they met up with babs at the icecream shop #the place was packed full specifically as a fuck you to Bruce #batfam #batkids #bat family #jason todd #bruce wayne #tim drake #damian wayne #dick grayson #cassandra cain #stephanie brown #duke thomas #jason todd and the outlaws #red hood and the outlaws #red hood #alfred pennyworth #they send photos from the ice cream shop to Bruce all night long #he grounds them all in the morning #Babs and Alfred claim they were only there 'for adult supervision' #but we all know it was for the icecream #incorrect batfamily quotes

[welcometogrouchland]

I understand that literature nerd Jason Todd is kind of overblown in fanon compared to it's actual presence in canon (a few issues during his pre (and post?)crisis Robin tenure that highlight it) BUT consider that I think it's hilarious if the unhinged gun toting criminal has strong opinions on poetry

#ramblings of a lunatic #dc comics #Jason Todd #batfamily #it's just a fun quirk! it's a fun lil detail and I simply cannot slight ppl for enjoying and incorporating it into works #like obviously jason isn't the only one. I'm a big believer in the batfam having over lapping interests they refuse to bond over #i know dick canonically used the robin hood stories (which are pretty flowery in their language far as i can tell) as inspo for Robin #and i know babs was a librarian and even tho her area of nerddom is characterized as more computery she probably knows quite a lot- #-about literature as well #duke is a hobbyist writer i believe? i saw a fan mention that- which if so is great and I hope he's also a nerd #(i mean he is canonically. i remember him being a puzzle nerd in his introduction. but i mean specifically a lit nerd) #damian called Shakespeare boring but also took acting classes so i think he's more of a theatre kid. #Tim's a dropout and i don't think he's ever shown distinct interest in english lit and i can't remember for Steph? #I'm ngl my brain hyperfocused on musician Steph i forget some of her other interests I'm sorry (minus softball and gymnastics!) #and then Cass had her whole (non linear but it's whatevs) arc about literacy and learning to read #went from struggling to read in batgirl 00 to memorizing Shakespeare in 'tec and is now an avid read in batgirls! #she's shown reading edgar allen poe but we don't know if it's his short stories or his poems #point to all of the above being: i know Jason's not the only lit nerd in the batfam #but also i do need him to be writing poetry in his spare time and reading and reviewing it #jason at the next dead robins society meeting: evening folks today I'll be assigning all of us poems based on laika the space dog #damian and steph who have been kidnapped and brought to jasons warehouse to hangout: LET US GO BITCH #speaking of^ random poem i think jason would like: space dog by alan shapiro #wake up one morning in an unfamiliar more mature body with a profound sense of abandonment. the last four lines. mmm tasty

[two-sibyls-tall]

At this point, when watching a DC movie or tv show, my friend and I will play the game of “which Robin is it? Okay and which Robin are they saying it is?” Because the Tim Drake-ification of Dick & Damian is only rivaled by the occasional Jason Todd-ification of Tim. We rejoice when a Robin is actually acting like himself.

#‘him’self specifically because I have yet to see a movie or tv show with steph as robin #ily steph :( #dc #dc batman #tim drake #dick grayson #jason todd #damian wayne

[iforgothepasswordtomyoldaccount]

no cause the way liking media will have you hurting your own feelings is so unfair

like sorry I can’t come in today I have to cry about narrative parallels between my favourite characters

#this is specifically about Jason and Tim #but like also Jason and Bruce #and Jason and dick #and dick and Damian #and dick and Bruce #and Bruce and all his kids #pretty much any Robin #I’m mentally unwell #bruce wayne #jason todd #dick grayson #tim drake #damian wayne #and steph as Robin #and Steph as batgirl #and Steph in general #stephanie brown

[aalghul]

i saw an account post that, unfortunately, if you are a jason todd fan account then you’ve most definitely gotten an ask along the lines of “if you like fanon jason then you’ll definitely like canon helena/steph/mia” and was wondering if you’ve ever gotten an ask like that

I've gotten a few about Helena specifically, never Steph or Mia so I'm going to talk about Helena rather than generalize what I'm about to say to both of them too (because I was actually thinking about this a few weeks ago!)

Those people are right...in a way. If you want christian guilt (that Jason does not in UTRH and should not ever struggle with) and genuine efforts to be accepted by the Bats? You want Helena. A character whose relationship with killing can be benefited by people bringing her into their light without rendering her previous choices pointlessly antagonistic? that's Helena.

Then there's also the factor of Helena often, in canon, being treated as unstable and untrustworthy, no matter what she does to prove otherwise. and that's seen as a continued failing on her part, even if it's others that refuse to believe in her. Jason constantly being pushed into those situations in fanon and canon is very Helena coded. He's got her good and bad.

But if you like the Jason from UTRH era, arguably the best written Jason post-resurrection (which isn't saying much because...we all know how he's written most of the time), then Helena would never work for you because they're so different. Even with fanon, there's only a certain extent it can apply to. Helena's not Bruce daughter, he didn't raise her, she was never family for him outside the costume (or in it. but that hurts me to say), and she certainly wasn't Dick's sister. So those dynamics should be different inherently, even in fanon where they're altered to resemble something like what Helena has. There's still a history that Jason has here that she naturally doesn't.

I think it's too vague and unhelpful of a thing to say if you're trying to make people interested in Helena or change their portrayal of Jason. But I do see the basis of it.

#heavy on the catholic guilt btw. ik it's not the point but i want you all to let flashpoint jason go. helena's such a great character that #even i cared about her christian guilt and i seriously do not gaf about christians. but it just doesnt work for jason. give it up loves #i do not however think helena's being pushed out of the spotlight is entirely or even mostly due to jason lol #she was already being pulled out of gotham way before he became so similar to her. and then she got pushed to the background in favour of #male characters the same way steph and cass have been for quite a while now. #but if we're talking about fanon specifically? i think most ppl simply dont know she exists bc they dont read comics. even babs cass and #steph struggle to make the cut despite being much more well known so this is really a ppl not caring about female charas issue than jason #specifically stealing her light in fanon. the other male charas' fans arent exactly hyping her up daily either #anyways. maybe im not the best person to ask to begin with since i dont like fanon jason

[brucewaynehater101]

"Bruce may not be the best dad, but most of his kids never had a better alternative."

FUCK YOU TIK TOK

#im crying and it's fine #the tik tok specifically pointed out jason steph and cass

[propheticpanickingnerd]

If you were wondering, is my favourite character autistic? The answer is most likely: yes, of course.

#this is not to anyone specific #bruce wayne #dick grayson #jason todd #tim drake #steph brown #cassandra cain #damian wayne #duke thomas #conner kent #bart allen #cassie sandsmark #i can go on #but i wont #thoughts #batman

[cleromancy]

war games 🤝 battle for the cowl;: yeah that was a big pivotal event but uh. it didn't happen like that. They told it wrong

#dc #this is also how u know everyone who tries to claim Jason is ~girl coded~ is full of shit bc what happened to steph was 1000x worse both+ #in and out of universe #like you have two examples right next to jason of what fridging actually looks like (babs and steph) #trying to pretend jasons death and resurrection were in any way comparable is just plain goofy #like from a writing/editorial/meta perspective specifically. in-universe jason makes the comparison himself but like #hes drawing lines btwn himself and other victims and if you read that and parse 'victim' as 'girl' i think u need to do some reflecting.

[batman-needs-an-encebollado]

me: yeah i kinda prefer fanon, is way funnier, more entertaining and less stressful.

me, when an actual comic book has the characters acting as fanon: wait. what are you doing. no. stop it. now.

#im sorry this about nothing specifical but there are too may examples #not a big fan os steph abd dick ALWAYS being sunshines in any circumstance #bruce wayne #dick grayson #jason todd #tim drake #damian wayne #damian al ghul #duke thomas #barbara gordon #cassandra cain #stephanie brown #dc comics

[ronon-dex]

judging by the way bruce was thinking about the robins (stephanie wasn’t worth his patience, jason is ‘the violent one’) i think they should have beat the shit out of him more, actually

#batman #batman vs robin #jason todd #bruce wayne #stephanie brown #dick grayson #tim drake #damian wayne #dc comics #still. STILL. in the year of our lord talking mad shit about jason and steph specifically #'the violent one' like just say you're a pathetic writer with no concept of character nuance and leave #r u kidding me like #batfam

[batfamhyperfixation]

If Bruce feels the Batfam needs a refresher on the rules or some of the kids are acting out, he makes them all sit in a room together and play a gimkit for it (for those who don't know what gimkit is, it's basically interactive Kahoot where you get little people you can customize and you get put in a game together, the common themes are snowball fight (competitive, you answer questions to get snowballs to throw at people and the person with the most kills at the end wins) and fishing (more independent, you answer questions for bait to then use for fishing to then get money from it and whoever has the most money at the end wins). The kids all love it and he found it is far more productive way of teaching them the rules instead of lectures cause they are all competitive so they all learn the rules to give them an advantage in the competition.

#Steph and Cass make weird gimkits they make the entire batfamily play #like the one where all the answers are blank and players gotta click random ones and hope for luck when playing #also bernard and tim will make random gimkits for each other. gimkits on random topics are the way they show affection. #and alfred and bruce team up together to make gimkits before galas to help the kids memorize the information on people #and dick'll make gimkits with family secrets and gossup. those gimkits have caused so many fights and family drama that they are now banned #bat family #batfam #batkids #batfam headcanons #batfam hcs #batfam hc #batfamily headcanons #any time they play snowball. jason hunts for tim specifically and pumbles him with snowballs repeatedly the entire time

[teleportationmagic]

Stalling out on my Cass & Steph & Jason soulmate AU again, so instead I will talk about how funny it is to take Steph, who's stance on killing is at least 70% defined by the social network, and throwing Jason into that social network.

Like, Jason's whole story is in no small part about how he will not sacrifice his moral beliefs for his father, despite how acutely he wants that connection back. It is also, in no small part, about how much of his moral beliefs come out of his desire to make Bruce see the ways in which he failed him.

So who better for a foil than a girl who literally dies because she stays true to those moral beliefs even as it sends bullets into her. That philosophy objectively fails her! and yet. she still keeps to it. not out of any particular moral objection but because she trusts the people around her, and doesn't want to break their trust.

(The answer to who better as a foil is cass. but that's a whole separate post)

But that's in many ways a somewhat facile way to build a moral system, especially considering she dies for it. And while in canon we see her developing her own moral code come Batgirl, there's always going to be a part of me that wants to see how that gap would be bridged. And Jason is just a phenomenal way to get her to reflect on why she values that Bat's as a network at all, now that she's older and is both a little less desperate and also Has Choices.

In turn, Jason's with someone who's younger than him, and still figuring it out, and who still feels and acknowledges to some degree the horror of killing. Because if Steph kills, especially as a regular part of her work, it will not and cannot be an easy choice for her (though mind you, not as tricky as a lot of other characters in the Batfam.) There's something really juicy about Jason coming up with a person who's in a scenario so similar to him, but for whom killing hurts, deeply. Maybe he'd find himself a little more sympathetic to Bruce (and in this scenario, Cass). Maybe he blames her for the weakness. There's a lot of different ways it could go!

#stephanie brown #jason todd #like. hm. there is some stuff that's more complicated to Steph's moral code than just social pressure #Thinking specifically about Huntress/Spoiler blunt trauma where she specifically makes sure that Huntress doesn't kill her father #despite the fact that she's strangled the man before. What can we say #she contains multitudes #like again I always feel weird about using War Games canon because it's Steph writing is. weird. but yanno. #composting and all. #telespeak

[welcometogrouchland]

I love it when "they should be at the club" is like, an actual character dynamic, with person A looking at person B as they work themselves to the bone/throw their own happiness away for the greater good/take on more responsibility than anyone could ever hope to bear and they're just like. Hey. You should be at the club

#ramblings of a lunatic #this is about Barbara Gordon and Cassandra Cain in batgirl volume 1 #literally babs is like cass wouldn't it be nice if you did things that normal 17 yr old girls get to do- #-instead of living and dying in your kung fu self hate cycle that will inevitably destroy you??? #and cass is like. no #cassandra cain (and bruce wayne) voice: #''everyone asks if there's anyway to stop the self sacrifice spiral never how was the spiral it looked fun was the spiral fun?'' #dick is also this for bruce but the club is less literal in that specific sense #(also this is soooo far removed from their canon dynamic. but play with me in this space for a bit- #-this but it's steph @ jason) #(like she realizes he's the same age as cass- she would not have guessed bc he's fucking huge and grizzled- #-and she's like damn. you should be at the club jason- #-just an in passing observation! arguably ribbing him about his melodramatic vengeance quest- #-that becomes a lot harder to take seriously when you remember he's barely old enough to legally drink) #(and jasons just like. what would i even do at the club steph. what part of me seems like a guy who would have fun at the club) #(Jason and Bruce are both too autistic for the club. cass is the right amount of sensory seeking autistic to get something out of the club- #-but really babs should be taking her to a mosh pit for maximum enrichment. she'd thrive) #ANYWAY. having a moment ignore me #my previously obtained ibuprofen is the last defence against me and certain doom (sore throat oof ouch) #like that meme of the soldier with knives and bombs in his back protecting the sleeping child #point being idk how long it'll last so i should sleep sooner rather than later to get the max benefits

[brie-annwyl]

Batfam ideas no one asked for? That’s the only thing I post atp.

Bruce “I don’t need therapy” Wayne starts publishing articles anonymously and promoting them through an anonymous twitter account to vent out his feelings and frustrations with being a bad father. Jason, whom also uses an anonymous account, becomes a fan. They become each other’s editors and learn a lot about each other and themselves through this. It’s all going well until Tim discovers it’s Bruce’s account. (I’m actively writing this one)

After Tim rescues Bruce from the time stream, he doesn’t go back to Gotham. That is until almost a year later, when all the bats are kidnapped by Ra’s and Tim has to go save them.

Weird time travel weirdness and old Tim gets thrown back in time, back to his first couple weeks as Robin. (His small self is also in the future)

Dick not understanding why Tim is keeping the family at a distance, and Tim waiting for the moment he suggests they through him into Arkum again. Damian has had enough of this miscommunication trope bs and makes them talk it out.

Damian missed his mom but doesn’t want to make Bruce feel bad, so he bottles it up. His bottle bursts open in front of Jason.

Jason always wanted to learn how to play the violin, Catherine always said it was her favourite. So he made Bruce sit through painfully squeaky lessons and even worse rehearsals before patrol. Now Jason is a proficient player, but Bruce isn’t around anymore to see his progress.

Jason stole a bunch of Dick’s sweat shirts when he was younger, even though they were never close, it still gave him comfort to have a piece of Dick with him. Dick only finds this out about a year after Jason died. All because this was the one night he had the courage to open his bedroom door and finally try and learn something about his little brother.

Tim would purposely put himself in dangerous situations so Jason would save him as Robin. Tim finds out Robin is dead because it was the one night he didn’t go out and save him.

Jason saves a child from an exploding building but doesn’t mange to save their father. Self reflection ensues and leads to Jason showing up at Bruce’s bedroom door, sobbing his eyes out at 3 am.

(Arkum Knight) Jason is VERY insecure about the J brand on his cheek, Bruce is there to reassure him.

Jason follows in Bruce’s footsteps and adopts a child. There’s a few problems though. 1. The Bats still don’t know his identity 2. They have a habit of following him, even when he leaves for patrol 3. Even in his RedHood get up, they will always call him variations of “Jason” or “Jay”.

Even though Damian is better than he originally was, Tim is still terrified he will try and cut his line again. These fears boil over when Tim is adamant about not doing missions alone with Damian.

Hope y’all enjoyed me dumping my fic ideas :)

#jason todd #tim drake #dick grayson #batfam #batfamily #bruce wayne #damian wayne #batman #I promise I’ll do one specifically for Cass Steph and Duke #I was just thinking about the angsty sons tonight #bruce wayne is a good dad #sometimes

[benbamboozled]

The other day I had the thought, “Huh, someone should make an AU where Bruce gives up Batman after Jason dies! That would be interesting!”

Aaaand about two seconds later I was like, “Ah, crap, I just created The Dark Knight Returns again, didn’t I?”

#Batman #Jason Todd #Bruce Wayne #The Dark Knight Returns #IS GOOD ACTUALLY. #i will go to the mat for it. #it is a surprisingly heartfelt *reconstruction* of Batman… #…that specifically *rejects* all of the OOH DARK AND GRITTY stuff that it gets blamed for. #obviously it is not perfect. #*side-eye at Frank ‘whores’ Miller* #EVEN THEN he still treats Carrie Kelley better than Steph was treated nearly twenty goddamn years later.

[tbcanary]

thinking about jason and dick. thinking about how when jason was robin, dick was too hurt and angry at bruce to really be there for jason as a mentor and older brother. thinking about how dick is with tim, how he very clearly wants to take him in as a younger brother and show him the ropes, and how he and jason could have gotten there, too, if they had more time to figure it out.

#text.tb #the thing is that jason isn’t that much of an influence over Tim’s Robin run as i think it’s often written to be #like Tim was just. doing his thing. jason only comes up a couple times. #there are more direct parallels and mentions of jason during Steph’s brief run as Robin — something I often think about — than tim’s #but even so. like. do you think dick has regrets. #there’s a sort of narrative here of. jason had to die in order for Tim to become Robin. sure. #but jason also had to die in order for dick to be okay with someone new taking up the mantle #and to take them under his wing (heh) #Jason’s death took with it the difficulties of being the first to take dick’s station away from him #so that when Tim came along. it was easier. #and I mean that also could have happened if Jason had grown up and they’d actually worked to mend fences and then someone new entered #thus creating a natural legacy of the mantle and the name #but really. the death was quicker. and this is comics. #anyway I don’t know what I’m getting at here I just think about dick and jason A Lot #they fascinate me but only with specific writers taking them on. as you might guess.