#spn fandom critical

[dreamytfw]

btw, I love how Destiel fans are constantly like "wow, Good Omens fans are so defensive about Ineffable Husbands all the time idk why we're just out here enjoying our ship uwu" every time there's a poll, and then when Destiel loses that poll the narrative is always "YOUR CHASTE CLOSED MOUTH KISS WOULD BE NOTHING WITHOUT THE EPIC LOVE STORY THAT IS DESTIEL! DESTIEL PAVED THE WAY FOR YOU SHIP! BE GRATEFUL FOR DESTIEL!"

Yeah, can't imagine why people who like AziraCrow would be defensive towards Destiel fans 🙄

#saying this as someone who likes both #hardcore Destiel fans are insufferable #'we're just having fun uwu' they say while actively putting all other ships down #like please shut up I am begging you #also the irony of saying we wouldn't have an AziraCrow kiss without the homophobic love confession #when the truth is we wouldn't have SPN at all without GO #I know y'all are so loud about it because you're insecure about it #cus of all the constant gaslighting the CW has put us through #but come on #stop being obnoxious towards other ships #op #Good Omens #SPN #Supernatural #SPN fandom critical #Ineffable Husbands #AziraCrow #Destiel

[fratricideknight]

Hi! (It's me again back to bother you with more spn questions) Are there any characters from spn that you didn't like that much or thought were overrated?

hello, beloved!! you aren't bothering me; i love your asks!

honestly, these days, i'm pretty chill regarding characters. i very rarely hate characters, i mostly just appreciate them for what they have to offer. i have favourites, of course, but i generally just accept characters as they are (and lament lost potential lol). so, i'm going to turn the question around and talk about how i think sam is massively overhated and underrated (only in the online fandom though; i'm pretty sure this isn't the case with the general audience). warning for an oncoming rant!

certain individuals' dislike of sam is at once incomprehensible to me and completely predictable. because i don’t understand how anyone could come to the logical conclusion that sam is boring, but i’m not at all surprised. i’m not saying they’re necessarily similar characters, but it’s kind of like people calling steve rogers from the mcu "bland" (my mcu knowledge is rusty forgive me if i say something stupid). like, no, you just hate optimists and nice people? you don’t have to like him, but don’t act like it’s not just a personal preference. funny thing is, sam and steve have something similar going on in their stories. both are good people who try to make the best of their circumstances: sam tries to use his demon blood “curse” for something good; steve tries to remain a force of good in a corrupt, grey world. and that’s interesting as hell!! unfortunately, both will always be overshadowed because they’re not smart-mouthed assholes (even though sam is sassy…) who default to treating people dickishly. and, worst of all, neither of them consider decapitation a good time and therefore cannot fulfil edgelord fantasies

ah yes, sam – no killing others (before resurrection in s2) even if it causes problems, monsters can be good and sexually attractive, veggie bacon but demon blood is acceptable on occasion, using evil powers for good, vessel of Satan who prays to God every day – winchester is uninteresting and boring, but a violent pessimist with daddy issues who kills monsters to unleash ✨️ the darkness inside ✨️ and a celestial being who doesn’t understand human customs or emotions or free will but comes to fight on the side of humanity are ground-breaking. i love dean and i like cas – i think they’re good, and i'm not saying this to throw hate at them – but acting like they’re amazing while sam sucks is just… really? people, regarding every form of media – music, films, books etc. etc. – conflate “shallow” with “not dark,” and i’m so tired of it

i have absolutely no issue with people preferring other characters for whatever reasons, or even for no real reason at all, but outright calling sam boring??! speaking on him with utterly tragically bad takes in an attempt to denigrate his name and proving only that you don't understand him at all?!? you are all tasteless imbeciles and should be ashamed of yourselves

#sam winchester #dean critical #castiel critical #not in the usual sense lol but whatever #fandom wank #spn fandom critical #spn #mine #askbox #mostlybbucky #thank you for the ask! #i hate being negative on main #(unless i'm criticising the show and even then i feel bad) #but it must be said #can you tell that i like using sparkles to express annoyance

[ambersock]

hello! so i saw someone say that sam has the most power in samdean's relationship and that he can get dean to do whatever he wants with the power of his puppy dog eyes and babybrotherism and that he's "manipulative". i was wondering what your thoughts about this are.

Wow. I would recommend that this person actually watch the show and invest some time in looking up words they clearly don’t understand in a decent dictionary.

(From Webster’s) manipulative: serving or intended to control or influence others in an artful and often unfair or selfish way

Arguments against this laughable take with examples cited from canon below the cut.

While Sam has sought to influence Dean to see his point of view during disagreements, he has never deceived Dean for the purpose of getting Dean to choose courses of action for selfish reasons.

In early seasons disagreements (e.g. 1x06 Skin, 1x11 Scarecrow, 3x15 Time Is On My Side), Sam plainly states his intent and reasoning, he does not withhold information or lie to him. In 1x06, he does give Dean a look that could fairly qualify as “puppy-eyed”, but it certainly does not meet the definition of “manipulative”. Sam is earnest, truthful, and deeply concern for people he cares about, hardly a motive that qualifies as “selfish”. In the other episodes when Dean does go along with Sam’s choices (debunking the claim that Sam has any “power” over Dean), Sam simply leaves.

Even during Sam’s demon blood addiction, he is not in any way manipulating Dean; he is simply cutting Dean out of his decision about choosing to use his own powers. If anyone needs a textbook illustration of what manipulation really is, they should focus on Ruby.

From s5 on, the power dynamic clearly tips toward Dean with Sam ceding all decisions to him, including whether Sam should let Lucifer possess him and attempt to jump into the Cage. There is one, and only one, example I can think of where Sam plays the little brother card to get his way, and that’s in 13x04 The Big Empty:

SAM: …Jack needs to get out. He needs to get some air. We all do. He’s a good kid. He is, just… give him a chance, please. For me.

Again, there is no deceit or selfishness here. Dean has been prejudiced against Jack from the start, and this is Sam’s last-ditch play to get Dean to even give Jack a chance. He’s not tricking Dean into any decisions under false pretenses, he’s trying to get Dean to see the truth for himself.

(And speaking of tricking people into taking a course of action under false pretenses, I could go on and on about the fake text from Amelia or tricking Sam into saying yes to Gadreel.)

#spn fandom critical #spn meta #asinine sam takes

[echoing-oursong]

i think a lot of people when discussing about sam and dean being gay or who’s more queercoded everyone just kind of forgets what these writers were doing with these characters. thus different character fans act differently about who’s queer coded and etc. dean is very much supposed to be toxic masculinity. this show was targeted towards that demographic. so dean was created entirely for that specific demographic of toxic masculinity and tough boys and etc etc. sam was more dunked on then anything - the writers didn’t know how to write sam because he wasn’t fully the target demographic. he was more sensitive and had more interests that were seen as downplaying on nerds. he didn’t care about cars and rock music like dean does. sam isn’t completely away from the toxic masculinity as it still shines through the ideals of what the writers believed (which they were misogynistic and a lot of other things) so yes it does shine through.

the problem comes with how fans see the brothers. dean stan’s don’t want to admit that he’s a target audience for toxic masculinity so they lean into dean’s soft side way more than necessary. they want his toxic masculinity to mean that he’s actually the things that he despises because of internally hating himself and low self esteem and they want his problems to seem more important than anything else. because they don’t want to face that dean specifically was for a target audience they take it out on sam’s character - seeing everything wrong times 10 with sam’s comments that has to do with toxic masculinity.

sam fans focus too much on him being dunked on for these not masculine traits. we want to reclaim how the writers wrote him. so they make him into this docile caring all the time guy. and of course he cares but they make him more sweet than he could be in canon. of course tho they also want sam to be put through the horrors at the same time. but lost often we want to claim this part of him that the writers saw as derogatory and put a positive spin on that. only problem is they lean way too much into it. they recognize dean as the toxic masculinity figure but forget that sam is a product of the writers beliefs also so they only take criticizing toxic masculinity on dean

#spn #dean winchester #sam winchester #dean and sam #idk i just think it’s interesting how everyone totally forgets about what canon had intended cuz we want to rewrite their stories for them #get rid of the problematic shit but also create offensive and more problematic shit #anyway i’ve just been thinking about this #spn fandom critical

[strawlessandbraless]

You know the deal. Reblog for a larger polling pool and to stray further from god light.

#I’m actually not taking any criticism at this time #supernatural #spn #dean winchester #jensen ackles #spn crack #jennifers body #megan fox #spn polls #my polls #poll #tumblr poll #poll time #tumblr polls #polls #fandom polls

[soullessjack]

lord knows I do not have the capacity to explain it right now but I have so much disdain for how heteronormative and nuclear this fandom is hellbent on making destiel and lord knows I have an even bigger hatred for how jack is used to fuel it.

#just say you hate actual queer men and fuck off girl #you don’t want queer representation you want something palatable and sanded down and. Buzzfeed-ified I don’t fucking know #or even just how basic masculinity is treated in the fandom like oh my fucking god. queer men are not a monolith of effeminate nail painters #I am so tired and angry and I want to fall asleep but I can’t so here you get this #cal.txt #spn #supernatural #spn fandom #fandom critical #destiel #dean winchester #castiel #domestic destiel #jack kline #baby jack #you treat cas like a diet woman and dean like he eats raw liver for breakfast and jack looks like fucking junie b jones for some reason #I hate it here I truly really do and yet I can’t leave because I also love it

[watching-sam-and-dean-again]

Watching a reactor on YouTube who just got to Season 4: Lazarus Rising, and I’m so annoyed by the amount of comments with people saying things like, "this is when the series REALLY starts" and "Seasons 1-3 were the prologue, now The Story begins" and "I’ve been waiting for you to meet my favorite character!"

First, I will never be able to understand Castiel being someone's legitimate favorite character. I just don’t get it. He starts off as a massive dick, becomes an ally, uses and betrays both brothers a number of times, rarely takes full responsibility for his actions, and ends up as a totally different and neutered version of himself. But this guy is your favorite!? The only reason I think a large number of fans who love him do is because he comes in the gate treating Sam like crap and he becomes a simp for Dean (or they are shippers). Also, if someone is a more casual fan, I can see enjoying Cass because he’s quirky and he mostly stands up for the Winchesters, but if someone is a big fan of the brothers, Cass makes their lives harder a lot of the time. Also, I’m coming to really hate the fact that the dude is always in a trench coat. How am I supposed to take a character seriously who is essentially like an unchanging cartoon character come to life? Anyway, despite how it might sound from my ranting, I actually do think people are allowed to love whatever character they want, but it just doesn’t compute for me personally that it’s Cass as he is on screen (not in someone’s head).

Next, the idea of people calling the first three seasons "The Prologue" to supernatural is offensive to me personally (well, not offensive but it’s dumb as hell). A prologue is used to give some important background that should be known for you to better understand the main story, but it happened before, or doesn’t quite fit into, the main narrative. I’m sorry, but the first three seasons of Supernatural are the foundation that everything builds off of, and maybe I’m splitting hairs here, but it’s not just the set up to the Real Story. The Real Story of Supernatural has always been and will always be "the epic love story of Sam and Dean," not the angel crap. Calling the basis of the whole show the prologue has an implied message that it’s not as important as, or connected to the rest of the story. Again, people are allowed to have their own opinions about what they enjoy in media, but this idea that what came before Season 4 wasn’t as important as the rest of the show is actually bad media literacy, especially when you consider how much retconning and inconsistency later seasons have (*cough* John Winchester, for exapmle). The early seasons are Supernatural at its most pure, and if you don’t like or care about Sam and Dean's story, what are you doing here?

I was going to go on by listing all of the important things that we learn about Sam and Dean's characters and relationship in the first three seasons, but honesty, I’m tired. If you’re reading my post, I’m sure you already know. True fans of the show, even if seasons 1 to 3 aren’t their favorite, know how important these seasons are. Frankly, if someone claims that they don’t matter as much as the later season, then I’m going to assume that they are probably a heller (and I’m probably right), thus their opinions on the show don’t matter.

Speaking of Hellers, they are the Jehovah’s Witnesses of fandom. They descend on your doorstep (YouTube video, blog post, etc), uninvited and unwelcome, to make you uncomfortable by forcing their literature (head-canons and subtext) on you in a vain attempt to make you convert to their twisted version of a cult religion (Destiel). Some get indoctrinated into their cult, others consider them a joke, and yet others are driven to madness by the constant hounding of the hellers. I wish they would just stay in their lane and let people come to their own conclusions about the show and the characters, but they try to gatekeep the fandom experience by jumping on anyone new and telling them how they are the "most popular ship" and that supernatural queerbaits, but Dean and Cass are still totes husbands, and there is some other guy there, too but Sam is just some jerk who isn’t as important as Wuwu Dean and their Little Meow Meow Cass. If somone actually sees and enjoys Destiel on their own, great, good for them; they’ll find the blogs and groups who love it too. Hellers don’t need to try actively recruiting people. It’s all just a numbers gone to them. We have the most fanfic (um, yes, because the show doesn’t deliver what you want), we are the most popular ship (sure, because the other main ship is brothers which squicks some people out, and because you crucify anyone who admits to being a Wincest shipper), and they tell the stupidest lies (the show shifts away from being about the brothers, and focusses more on Dean and Cass' "relationship," and Sam isn’t as important to the story later). I wish they would just stay in their own sandbox and not come pee in everyone else's. Cult like behavior in action.

Okay, deep breaths. I’m grad I got that one off of my chest, but my blog is getting very ranty. I’m going to try make sure my next post is a positive one.

Happy weekend everyone!

#anti hellers #anti destiel #supernatural #sam and dean #spn meta #Fandom BS #Castiel critical #the epic love story of Sam and Dean #thanks to the gif makers

[monstermoviedean]

why does liking dean winchester on the supernatural website feel like being placed in the stocks and being expected to be happy that people are throwing tomatoes at you

#i just want to like a character i like in peace why do i feel like i constantly have to acknowledge his mistakes #and give everyone the benefit of the doubt except him #and constantly be making fun of or criticizing him #I don't want that. i don't want any of that. i need to stop doing that and I need to stop seeing fandom cops around every corner #literally i would never ask someone to show they love a character the 'right' way so why do I feel pressure to do that #there is no right way. what the fuck. what the fuck are we doing here. #spn

[ladyluscinia]

OFMD fandom has me thinking about Protagonist Centered Morality, like, in general.

I feel like we only call it that when we think it's been handled wrong and are criticizing it, even though - let's be honest - we have all bought into some degree of protagonist centered morality in our favorite show. Like. It's the beating heart behind the very idea of a Mook - the faceless darkside minion that your heroes can destroy without any moral consequence for that action because who gives a shit? It's basically inescapable in every cop-show (or reskinned cop show like spn), chosen one story, action movie, revenge quest, underdog tale... we fucking love it when the universe agrees "yeah they earned that" and will generally just roll our eyes at people going "ok but you know your fictional murderers are doing bad things, right?"

Until we don't.

And, like, as an offshoot of this... 99% of the time, when you're criticizing a show for its protagonist centered morality, the most straightforward way to get your point across is complaining about whatever happened. "X did Y and then we're just supposed to forget about it?" Or "X is being such a hypocrite about Z!" And then someone else (real or hypothetical) pushes back with some point about how the story / other characters / etc. don't treat this as a problem and that kicks off the framing criticisms. But is it really about what they did?

People will object to the protagonist centered framing of actions they don't consider that serious, and be satisfied or unconcerned with the framing of actions they find borderline unforgivable. Protagonist centered morality can casually handwave (or seriously penalize) the whole spectrum of morally questionable actions from being a shit in high school to committing massive war crimes. Sometimes the primary complaint is that the protagonist already took a stance against this action, so now being fine with doing it themselves is hypocritical and out of character, and the problem with protagonist centered morality seems to be more that it's letting the OOC part slide.

The concept engages with genuine criticism of a characterization or character's actions as a shorthand, but the part it's actually complaining about is closer to feeling the narrative failed somewhere on a meta level to calibrate how much the audience should care about this event (and what level of in-universe caring would then satisfy).

It's not (at least usually) a fancy way of putting forward character crit of the good guys - most people who want to do that are just going to do so directly. If anything it has more in common with being upset at a story for breaking your Suspension of Disbelief (usually in the arena of character relationships).

#media #tropes #analysis #fandom culture #suspension of disbelief #protagonist centered morality #i'm mostly just rambling here after seeing lots of back and forth flame stuff just bounce entirely off the points being made #like you can't argue someone around to your pov on this by doubling down on how there's no issue until they make one #or defending your fave from perceived attacks. it's not *about* blorbo it's about the meta narrative #see: criticizing the fact the spn universe treats dean winchester's pov as divine law is not really deancrit #in fact my poor blorbo is actively denied character growth because he's fundamentally no allowed to be wrong #ladyluscinia

[poorlittleyaoyao]

Beefleaf isn't canon. Mxtx has said she doesn't like to write another gay ship different from the main (she struggled with svsss)

I have heard about this! The content I saw was just so insistent about Beefleaf that I wondered if maybe I was misremembering and the "no same-gender side couples" thing applied to MDZS only. (I have gotten similar vibes from Moshang and from whatever Yue QIngyuan and Shen Jiu's ship name is, but I've now obtained Vol. 1 of SVSSS and plan to read it, so if those two aren't actually canon, don't tell me! It can be a surprise!)

The "no side couples"--or, in MDZS's case, "no queer characters AT ALL besides the protag, his love interest, and the disgraced goth weirdo who annihilates himself to resurrect the protag"--thing confuses me, because... I guess I don't get the point of it? I totally understand not having the bandwidth to develop more than one couple. The challenge of adequately building up other relationships fully independent of your main couple without detracting from the exploits of your protagonist and his love interest could be daunting, as would expanding the story's focus and juggling multiple equally-prominent lead characters for an effective ensemble piece. But here it seems like people picked up a vibe between the characters from what was already there in the text and then MXTX was like, "oh, no, they're not a couple! there's just the one couple!" and THAT I don't get. If she's disinterested in writing women, but has a cast of attractive men who are all obsessed with each other, why not toss a romance in there between some of the guys? Again, you can keep it entirely as-is and just toss a kiss in there or confirm in interviews that yes, they were in love, and you're so happy readers picked up on that even though you didn't get to tell their full story on the page.

I am extrapolating based on the Xiyao situation specifically, so maybe this doesn't apply to her other works! But it is a choice that confuses me. A couple doesn't have to be that developed; Xuanli certainly aren't, but their existence is a major plot point. I should think that the presence of other m/m couples would bolster the main couple, if anything, because it sets a precedent for them existing in their world. There are situations where adding an expressly romantic element would change something fundamental about the relationship, but there are just as many where the addition of a romantic element changes nothing or makes it make more sense (case in point: Xue Yang's freakout after killing Xiao Xingchen).

Like I said, I get not wanting to devote energy to it, and I also get that sometimes a work or performance is received by the audience in ways the artist didn't intend (this is the Destiel website, after all), but to make it a conscious choice to have One M/M Couple Only? Based on what I currently know, this perplexes me.

#there are plenty of works that have a bajillion guys and only like two women but do NOT intend anything romantic between the guys #but these are things like shounen anime (or fuckin SPN lol) that are written for straight male audiences and don't prioritize romance #whereas these here are epic romances about two gay men written for predominantly female audiences #it's not like your audience is going to be like 'a romance between two DIFFERENT men in my m/m love story? outrage!' right? #anyway the 'nobody likes men except the protags' is so funny in MDZS because of Xuexiao specifically #notable danmei author MXTX I find it very unlikely that the plot you repurposed from an earlier novel project was Just Guys Being Dudes!! #unrebloggable bc this fandom gets WEIRD when ppl say anything that could even be construed as critical of craft

[dreamytfw]

You know how people used to tell Harry Potter fans to read any other book?

Petition to start telling SPN fans to watch any other TV show.

#literally saying this as a SPN fan #y'all are way too much #just because SPN is important TO YOU #doesn't mean it's important to the rest of the industry #sincerely begging people to realize this #cus they really do seem to NOT get it #and it bothers me to no end #supernatural #SPN #SPN fandom critical

[fratricideknight]

(not posting the usernames on the off chance you two get harassed. tell me if you want me to delete)

i'm not gonna delve into the tendency of fandom to ignore platonic relationships and aspec headcanons - but that part is unequivocally true. nor am i gonna talk in depth about acephobia and arophobia because that's too giant a topic for a little spn blog like me - but that is also unequivocally a thing. i'm just gonna talk about wincest.

i have a weird relationship with wincest. i swing from liking it, to being ambivalent about it, to straight up despising it, and back again. overall, i’d say that it is a ship which exists. i lean more towards liking it, because i just love sam and dean together so much, but i’m afraid i simply find it inferior to platonic samdean - which should be a widely used term, btw. please start using samdean platonically, too; all samdean enjoyers should form a coalition! that said, the honest majority of fics i read these days to get my samdean fix are wincest, since there are far fewer genfics than slash fics, and not many of these genfics are unhinged to my liking. i either pretend it’s platonic or, if that’s not really possible, just enjoy it as it is. so, i’m supremely grateful to wincest content creators <3 you are the loves of my life i am giving you all a big warm hug right now

i can see why people would ship wincest, on multiple levels. sam and dean are just an amazing pairing, in whatever form that takes; j2 are very hot guys; the show really doesn’t hold back on the incest subtext, and i don’t blame people for wanting to explore it in fanon. again, it’s just a ship that exists to me, and whose content creators i appreciate. probably my biggest gripe with it is the way an unfortunate amount of ‘wincest moments’ and analysis hinge on amanonormativity. i can generally just ignore the copious amounts of romantic moments and banging when reading one of the aforementioned wincest fics, but when i read something like, “Obviously there’s something more going on; no one can love their brother that much without wanting to kiss and fuck him!” i just… have to take a breather. i hate it so much. please, please do some research into amanonormativity. i do not blame you at all for shipping wincest, but if your reasoning is “they’re closer than most siblings” then i do blame you, i’m afraid. yes, they are extremely, undeniably weird, and closer than most siblings. does this mean they are/want to be romantically or sexually involved? no. i’m going to quote @brotherwives in saying, “I’d say that it actually cheapens the intensity of their bond,” because they’re just so right. i’m sure people have their reasons for shipping it, though, and i respect that; please keep the unhinged content coming, i love you. and i get that a lot of wincest shippers appreciate gencest, as well...

i just. hearing that some ppl - including wincest shippers - are weird about gencest is mind-blowing to me. i invite more people to enjoy the insanity of gencest, bc in my opinion it's just so damn great. brothers being insane about each other not in a "normal" brotherly way but also not in an incestuous sense?? they straddle the line between two things by just being unapologetically insane about each other?? a serve. THE serve. not to mention weirdcest - platonic kink, whatever form it takes - is so much fun!! like they know they're not "normal" but they aren't into each other, either?? and there's no textbook guide on how the hell they're supposed to act under these circumstances?? like "incest is wrong" is pretty much universally accepted, but what about platonically biting your brother's neck to stake a claim on him bc you can't stand the thought of anyone else ever taking him away from you, whether that be a romantic partner or a friend or the devil himself. you can still have that incest guilt without it actually being incest, you can still delve into the horrific familial enmeshment. imho it's literally the best possible thing.

i'm not aspec, btw, and i'm not trying to hail myself as the ally of all time by mentioning that lmaoo. i'm just saying. it's completely possible to enjoy platonic relationships and enjoy aspec headcanons (*cough* aro dean!!! *cough*) whether you're aspec or not. platonic relationships aren't appreciated enough, when, in my opinion, they're actually more interesting... romance is generally clear-cut, but that area where the lines of "friends" blur?? trying to navigate the fact that you care more about your friend or sibling or whoever than your romantic partner, and it will probably always be that way?? venturing into queerplatonic relationship territory without knowing what the hell that is or how to explain it, just knowing that you will gladly throw every convention off a steep cliff to live with your platonic life partner(s)?? yes.

in case this wasn't clear: i do NOT hate wincesties in any way, you guys are like my siblings. yeah, maybe we squabble and disagree on stuff, but at the end of the day we are different iterations of the same genes and i love you all <3 (please no one make any dumb incest jokes about that analogy) like i said, we should form a coalition and take back the spn fandom

#sam and dean #gencest #weirdcest #fuck amatonormativity fr #BE INSANE ABOUT PLATONIC RELATIONSHIPS TODAY!! #fandom wank #spn fandom critical #supernatural #spn #mine #tw incest

[artemis-pendragon]

She criticism on my media til I'm literate

#this is stupid i know i know but it came to me while forming Opinions about some media-related discourse lmaoooo #media literacy #fandoms #fandom #tagging some shows ive watched #ofmd #fallout #bbc sherlock #spn #supernatural #etc etc #media criticism

[echoing-oursong]

ngl i think y’all just need to accept the fact that you don’t see queer sam coded cuz you hate sam and that’s it. y’all have no problem seeing castiel angel who fell from heaven as a gay coding and then he’s in love with dean. and then you have dean who wants to get away from under his father’s thumb and glances at people as queer coded. but then have a problem when “you’ve been biblically unclean” and the theme of monster and freak and “i can’t rip it out” about demon blood sam as queer coding. “oh it’s just how jared plays sam” please stop falling back on that excuse because it’s so clear you just hate sam cuz you can’t even try to be open minded for one second but you have no doubt seeing dean as queer coded despite him making multiple queer negative jokes at people’s expenses. please for the love of god just say you hate sam and that you’re not open minded at all

#spn #spn fandom #spn fandom critical

[biceratops7]

You know what I have to talk about it a LITTLE because something is pissing me off. I won’t be explicit about what exactly is shown but in an over abundance of caution the rest of this post is under a cut.

I’m sorry you were made cynical by queerbaiting but guess what, we were ALL queer baited at least once. It doesn’t give you an excuse to shit on people being excited about a thing or assuming the worst about a creator who, at worst, doesn’t understand literally every solidarity detail of the queer experience there is to know. There is absolutely no context to indicate this is going to be a big fuck you no homo moment, I would expect it from Supernatural but I’m sorry, good omens has always been aggressively queer friendly in many casual and colorful ways. I’m sorry, but fans are not stupid for trusting a creator who has been nothing but trustworthy, and not assuming we’ll be smacked in the face by a show that has always made us feel safe and accepted.

#biceratops #good omens #good omens spoilers #good omens leak #season 2 #ineffable husbands #queerbaiting #not every queer story without a stale ‘’boy meets boy and they kiss the end’’ is queerbaiting damnit #yes nonbinary people can be ‘’gay’’ but some of y’all are being just as pedantic as you’re complaining Gaiman is being #fandom crit #fandom critical #spn

[musclesandhammering]

Spn Opinions That’ll Have Me Burned at the Stake Pt. 2: Electric Boogaloo

I’m back and bitchier than ever. For reference, here’s part 1.

• Season 5 wasn’t that great.

• D*stiel isn’t real, it’s a sucky ship, and that confession scene was just the writers pandering to the rabid deancas fans cause they knew they were the only ones still watching the show lol. And they left it ambiguous enough that they could still say it was meant platonically if they needed to.

• I hate how they watered down both angels and demons post-season 5ish.

• I liked Ruby 1.0 better than Ruby 2.0.

• I hate Honey!Cas. They just did that cause they didn’t know where to take his story from there, needed him out of the way, and thought it would be funny. It was insulting.

• Jack should’ve been played by an actual child so everyone’s abuse of him would resonate with the audience for what it was (casual fans are brain dead and need to be spoon fed).

• Victor Henrikson deserved more time on the show.

• I said it in the last post, but Alex is way more interesting than Claire and should’ve been given the lead role in the wayward sisters storyline instead.

• Dean is canonically straight and for Christ sake if you guys wanted bi rep, there’s about a thousand other characters that are strongly coded or implied to be bisexual (including Sam!) but y’all didn’t focus on them because it wasn’t actually about representation, it was about making it more plausible for your dumb fetishised gay ship to actually happen (spoiler: it didn’t).

• Season 3 and Season 6 were some of the best ones, you guys just don’t have any taste.

• Claire is not Castiel’s daughter and saying she is erases Jimmy and insults her, and even Cas himself acknowledged that on the show.

• Castiel is canonically NOT gay and Misha constantly saying he is is annoying and airheaded. He’s been attracted to women IN THE SHOW and he’s not even really male, so calling him a Gay Man is reductive and just plain wrong. Also, it’s veeery sus that- given how bi/pan folks are even more underrepresented than gay people- that one of the rare times where the bi/pan label actually fits a character BETTER in CANON……. the allies and monosexuals adamantly reject it. Hm.

• “Curing” vampires or werewolves or demons shouldn’t have been a thing.

• The Winchesters cause most of the bad shit that happens and then they just force supernatural beings to fix it for them- tell me again how they’re Super Special Heroes.

• It shouldn’t be possible to make angels human by removing their grace, because (unlike demons, werewolves, etc) they were never human to start with. If you drained me of all my blood, I wouldn’t magically transform into another species, I’d fucking die.

• Making Billie go crazy was dumb.

• Rowena was one of the most interesting and charismatic characters on the whole show- they just didn’t know what to do with her character.

• The archangels, Lilith, and Azazel should’ve been the biggest threats on the show. No other knights of hell, no god and his sister, no Cain, nothing like that. Having every villain just get progressively more overpowered made the show unbelievable and repetitive and annoying.

• The kernel sanders king of hell guy was hot.

• Dean is misogynistic as HELL, homophobic, likes racist porn, is a narcissist, pervs on teen girls, & thinks all non-human people should be exterminated… and that is all CANON.

• Most of John Winchester’s abuse is fanon.

• Fans portraying Cas as a smol bby who colours in colouring books and has a bee plushie is so fucking annoying.

• Instead of having so many gigantic cosmic storylines with god and his sister and alternate dimensions and even the angel and demon tablets, they should’ve just scrapped those and made the stein family and the bmol and the alpha vampire storylines way bigger than they were. Less cosmic stuff, more earth-based stuff.

• They ruined Lucifer’s character post-season 5. Before that, he was more sympathetic and reasonable than Michael. After, he was a spoiled child hurting people for fun.

• Everything from season 7 on is garbage. All of it. There’s bits of goodness here and there but overall seasons 7-15 are trash.

• How the fuck are there actual people who are deangirls and hate Sam?? The space where your brain should be is empty, I swear to god.

• If there was gonna be any lgbt rep in the Wayward Sisters group, it should’ve been Jody and Donna instead of Claire and Kaia. Those two were boring as hell and had zero chemistry or build-up, but Jody/Donna had plenty of chemistry and was very believable.

• Meg has the best and most realistic redemption arc of anyone on the show.

• Chuck was not likeable or charismatic enough to carry off as big of a villain arc as they gave him. Also that whole thing was stupid and WAY too Out There.

• All the angels should’ve been aroace. All the demons should’ve been pan.

• I stanned Cole so hard up until he changed his mind about hating Dean. That was disappointing.

• Sam went through the same shitty childhood Dean did (plus Bonus Abuse on top of it) and he didn’t turn out Like That.

• I cannot think of a single person that was asking for a spin-off about the Winchester family, like that has to be the most boring thing.

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