#tragic flaw

[princesssarisa]

Scholars on Greek mythology and drama seem locked in an endless debate of what Oedipus's hamartia is in Sophocles' play, or even if he has one at all. And if he does have a hamartia, whether it's a "tragic flaw" in the moral sense, or just an error or lack of information. A search through different analyses of the play online will reveal widely different interpretations.

So I thought I would find out what my Tumblr community thinks.

#greek mythology #oedipus #oedipus rex #oedipus tyrannus #oedipus the king #sophocles #hamartia #tragic flaw #tragedy #analysis #aristotle #poetics

[the-ephemeral-ethereal]

There is no happiness where there is no wisdom; No wisdom but in submission to the gods. Big words are always punished, and proud men in old age learn to be wise.

from Antigone by Sophocles

#antigone #the oedipus cycle #oedipus cycle #sophocles #the three theban plays #the three theban tragedies #three theban plays #three theban tragedies #tragic #tragedy #happiness #wisdom #the gods #gods #big words #punished #pride #hubris #tragic flaw #tragic hero #old age #wise #learn to be wise #creon

[backsack]

#i really enjoyed this gif i found on wikipedia #tragically this loop is slightly flawed. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solifugae for full quality as well as interesting solifuge facts #meow

[woeismywaffle]

The sillies :'"]

#i don't think i could be normal about them even if i was held at gunpoint #they are my classic greek tragic flaw #hazbin hotel #cherri bomb #angel dust #fat nuggets #lucifer morningstar #niffty #charlie morningstar #vaggie #husk #also if you squint and lie to yourself husk is doing the :3 face

[salty-an-disco]

I disagree with Narrator in a very fundamental and philosophical level, but you know, even if I agreed 100% with his worldview and the reality he wants to bring about, I’d still think he’s wrong for taking matters into his own hands and changing THE VERY FABRIC OF REALITY affecting people in the entire universe, simply because HE thinks he knows what best for the world.

Like– that’s why I find him so fascinating, it’s not only the fear of death or disgust towards the very concept of change (tho that is very funny and interesting in its own right), but the utter arrogance to champion himself Savior of the World without EVER considering that maybe– just maybe, people might not agree with what he plans to do.

Like. Hubris indeed, and he even has the gall to say, “you can still do what you must and kill her” when we call him out on it. Like. Wow. I want to study this guy under a microscope.

#love how he’s like. a perfect example of a greek story protagonist #with a fatal flaw that cost his life in exchange for an outcome he won’t even *be there* to witness even if it works out #while I find what-ifs where Echo grows beyond his original conception and the person he originated from interesting enough to want to #explore it #I also very much LOVE his role as this tragic character whose fate was already decided before the game begins #slay the princess #stp narrator #the narrator #stp meta #sal rambles

[thelunarfairy]

The painful love

Nene's dream is to be loved by someone, because she was always mistreated by boys…. she gave up her life, "her marriage" to save her best friend, and she will give up all of that if she is by Hanako's side , these are all just details, it's not about marriage, it's about her loving him.

He's a ghost, he can't get married, he can't have children, he can't grow old with her, he can't even leave school, she won't be able to introduce him to her parents, she won't be able to meet his family, no one can see him . All Nene has is the great love she feels for him, and what wins over Hanako most is her desire to stay.

One of the forms of love, regardless of whether it is friendship or romance, is for someone to "stay" for you. Someone chooses to be by your side, even with your story, your past, your hurts and flaws. Nene stood by him, even when no one else did, and this contrasts greatly with his relationship with Tsukasa.

Tsukasa wants to leave, yes, to save Hanako, but Hanako doesn't want to be saved, he wants to be forgiven, he wants to be loved, he wants the people he loves to stay. So, when Nene went after him on the far shore, even though he scolded her, he couldn't hold back any longer. Because she did all that because she wanted to be with him, when not even the person he loves most, Tsukasa, had decided to leave.

She is the only person who wants to stay by his side without thinking twice, no matter what she has to do, she will be there. Even now, even going back in time, she still remembers him, remembers the desire she had to see him in the audience watching her in the play.

It's ironic, because Nene wanted a handsome boy for everyone to see, she wanted to use the boys as a trophy, not to show off, but to show the boys who were mean to her that someone can love her, even with this "flaw." "superficial and futile.

But in the end she fell in love with a ghost, the ordinary boy who is not popular, who no one can see. That was something I loved about the construction of the story, how Aidairo didn't give Nene what she wanted, but what she needed.

To be loved by the boy who finds her "flaw" attractive, to be loved by the boy who protects her, who listens to her, who is there for her. Being loved by the imperfect boy who has his own story and who makes mistakes, who is not the prettiest guy in the class, but who truly loves, no matter how much he tries to hide it, no matter how mysterious he is.

He is afraid that she will find out about him, because he doesn't want her to leave, almost like a silent request "please don't go.." Hanako is a boy who seems to have been abandoned a lot, maybe it only happened to Tsukasa, but even Let it just be him, Tsukasa is the love of his life, not in a romantic way, but he is the person he loves most, and he is gone.

The love between these two is tragic, but true, seeing how the two complement each other, even with the "flaws" and mistakes they make. It's an intense, true love, a continuous struggle between being together or separated by destiny.

Yes, destiny, it is he who is manipulating everything, their destiny is not to be together, but they are fighting against it, even if they have to break the world.

And, I hope, they break the world together with Tsukasa. Because he loves Amane, because he didn't want to leave him, but he had to, it was the only option, because he loves Amane so much that he wants him to live and be happy, even without him.

But for Amane, there is no happiness without Tsukasa, and now, there is no happiness without Nene either.

#Nene with her flaws and Hanako with his flaws #a love that is still so problematic #hanene #toilet bound hanako kun #jibaku shounen hanako kun #jshk #tbhk #amane yugi #hanako kun #aidairo #hanakokun #yugi twins #jshk spoilers #hanene ♡ #jshk yashiro #nene yashiro #yashiro #hanako x yashiro #yashiro nene #tbhk yashiro #hanako #tbhk hanako #jshk hanako #hanako x nene #yugi amane #The tragic and dangerous love

[damianbugs]

people who hate batman are always like omg why do u even care about this guy he's selfish and doesn't actually fix any issues and causes so many problems and can't express feelings and is childish and it's like... well yes? that is at least half of the appeal

#bruce wayne #the supposed tragic character enjoyers when the real tragic character walks in #my girl has so many flaws and people rightfully hate her. i am obsessed with her #if i was responsible for batman i would make him worse im afraid

[hylialeia]

not going to bug people in the tags but it is (legitimately!) interesting to see a character in asoiaf who is so clearly meant to be the traditional fantasy red herring chosen prince, and to see people - including the readers! - gravitate towards that romanticism, often unquestioning. I think one of asoiaf's major motifs being "ruling is hard" (see GRRM's thoughts on Tolkien) and that consistently showing up across every pov regardless of their morality or ideals or circumstances, yet both people in universe and in fanbase stalwartly believing that surely this does not or will not apply to their ruler... now, that IS fascinating

#we are not immune from wanting it to be Just Like In The Songs #suffice to say I like aegon a lot but him not being the mc isn't his tragic flaw #he's full of flaws (see: cyvesse game with tyrion) which would not have been non-issues on the throne #narratively though it is his downfall to exist in the wrong story as an element to explore and subvert and chew it down to the bone #BUT. perfect king is not and never has been how grrm roles #fantasy protagonist is not only a role earned but also arguably The Curse #and king/queen is a role inherently poisonous. the throne cuts everyone the dragonfire burns everything etc etc #asoiaf #asoiaf meta

[slavonicrhapsody]

If you don't mind me picking your brain, howdya think Rykard went from "ruthless justiciar" and head of the Inquisition to "These pagans are cool actually"

oh my god YES I was hoping someone would ask me about this one day because I think about this a lot

Essentially, I don’t think Rykard was ever truly an Erdtree zealot for several reasons.

Firstly, he has a unique background for someone who enforced Erdtree law: his mother is a legendary sorcerer, who once fought against the armies of the Erdtree in battle. Growing up as Rennala’s son, we know he distinguished himself as a talented glintstone sorcerer, an art once seen by the Erdtree forces as heretical. Basically, Rykard has heresy in his blood — I think his background gives him an inherent sympathy to other practices deemed heretical to the Golden Order. We know he developed an interest in reviving the “ancient hexes” of Mt. Gelmir, an interest which is specifically identified in the text as stemming from his mother’s influence:

“After discovering the ancient hexes of Gelmir, Rykard, son of Queen Rennala, brought them back into practical use as new forms of sorcery.”

Rykard comes from a long line of heretics, who instilled in him a sorcerer’s curiosity.

So why did Rykard become praetor in the first place? We don’t technically know at what point Radagon left Rennala, but I think it makes the most sense if Rykard was propelled to his position as praetor after his father became Elden Lord. While married to Rennala, Radagon was regarded as a “mere champion,” with Rykard and his siblings being royalty in Liurnia alone… it makes more sense that he’d rise to the position of chief justiciar in Altus after Radagon married Marika and he became a demigod step-child. Basically, he nepo-babied his way to a powerful government position… a position that gave him a prestigious reputation, a foothold in altus, and a standing army — more power than he ever could have achieved if he stayed in Liurnia, since his sister Ranni is stated to be the sole heir of Caria (Caria was likely matriarchal; it doesn’t seem like Ranni’s brothers stood to inherit much of anything).

There is also a relevant detail from the Blasphemous Claw description:

“On the night of the dire plot, Ranni rewarded Praetor Rykard with these traces. Should the coming trespass one day transpire, they would serve as a last-resort foil, allowing Rykard to challenge Maliketh the Black Blade, the black beast of Destined Death.”

Rykard colluding with Ranni before the Night of the Black Knives shows that Rykard’s later treason was not a spur-of-the-moment decision, but something pre-meditated. Ranni rewarding Rykard with traces of the Rune of Death with the intention to challenge Maliketh indicates that the siblings shared talks of treason leading up to this event — while Rykard was still praetor.

Rykard performed his job with brutal efficiency to the point that he garnered a “ruthless” reputation. But I don’t think he ever did this job out of pure loyalty to the Erdtree; rather, I think he did this job because he will do absolutely anything to achieve power and to gain the upper hand. I think he always intended to build up strength so that he could eventually topple the Golden Order which he so chafed under and place himself in charge; a “worthy sovereign.” And I believe that just as Rykard’s position as praetor was a means to this end, so too was his obsession with the Great Serpent — an obsession that spiraled out of control into “mere greed” for power.

#asks #elden ring #rykard #rykard lord of blasphemy #i agree with rykard’s soldiers that his reasoning behind taking down the gods is a noble pursuit #but what if rykard was always motivated by mere greed? #what if he supported the right cause for the wrong reasons? #what if his descent into madness wasn’t a tragic lapse of judgement but the natural conclusion of his deepest flaws?

[citrus-cactus]

Watching Awakening Parts 4 & 5 is mostly just me waiting for my favorite failwoman to have a bazooka-assisted meltdown on national TV

#gargoyles #disney's gargoyles #this whole exchange is flippin' incredible #girl you went from 0 to 60 in 0.3 seconds #she was happy for like… what… an hour? before it all started falling apart #for someone who’s been alive for so long you think she’d’ve learned some patience and subtlety #but no all she really knows is how to betray first and not ask questions later #anyway I can't do justice to her and all her character flaws in these tags but she's incredible and tragic and complex and I love her #demona

[yavin42]

just finished the second season of black sails and i gotta say i understand why it makes queers go feral

#i’m frothing at the mouth #black sails #i watched the first season yesterday and didn’t really enjoy it much #the pacing is really weird the characterisation was shallow at best and the whole thing stank of game of thrones levels of forced edgyness #but man the second season slapped so hard full 180 turnaround #the flashbacks were expertly crafted all major characters have relatable motives and they pull through ruthlessly #their fatal flaws are right there and like a greek tradgedy it all happens exactly how it must #in revealing it’s nature as a character study of flint and of what broke him so utterly the pacing actually becomes so poignant and perfect #with each new bit of information we’re given we understand his urgency his ruthlessness his unwavering calm hatred #he’s turned himself into a proper fucking monster and it’s tragic because it could only have ever gone this way #there’s no way out and the show being a prequel we know he lives we know he can’t win #actually doomed by the narrative in the worst/best way #but by god i just want his to set the world aflame

[samijey]

Sami and Jey talk about the events of Elimination Chamber 2023 (Monday Night RAW 06/11/2023)

#sami zayn #jey uso #samijey #wwe #wweedit #jeysami #stuff i made #this bit was put in here specifically for me #any hint of angst and i'm foaming at the mouth #PLEASE THEY STILL HAVE SO MUCH TO DIG INTO #jey please you're making me cry deadass #he was so soft and so apologetic PLEASE i'm in tears #YOU HAVE NOTHING TO APOLOGIZE FOR #friendly reminder that sami lost that match because he paused to fret over jey after accidentally spearing him thank you goodnight #anyways they are tragic and flawed and perfect and everything to me byeeeee

[the-ephemeral-ethereal]

The greatest griefs are those we cause ourselves.

from Oedipus the King by Sophocles 

#oedipus #oedipus the king #oedipus rex #oedipus tyrannus #the oedipus cycle #oedipus cycle #sophocles #the three theban plays #the three theban tragedies #three theban plays #three theban tragedies #tragic #tragedy #grief #tragic hero #tragic flaw #own worst enemy #downfall

[chaoticgoblinwife]

Enobaria

Trigger warning: talk of tr*fficking, r*pe, forced medical procedures

I keep seeing the theory/opinion recently "what if Enobaria got her teeth filed in order to avoid being tr*fficked by Snow???" and like i get where people are coming from, but no. Katniss states in the plain ass text, "She became so famous for this act that, after she was a victor, she had her teeth cosmetically altered so each one ends in a sharp point like a fang and is inlaid with gold. She has no shortage of admirers in the Capitol. " (p. 224-225 Catching Fire)

Guys. Katniss says it. Before she knows it or realizes the implications. ENOBARIA'S TEETH WEREN'T FILED TO MAKE HER LESS APPEALING TO THE CAPITOL, IT WAS TO MAKE HER MORE APPEALING. SO SHE CAN BE TR*FFICKED. Enobaria most likely was tr*ffIcked by Snow, with the explicit appeal being that she was "brutal and animalistic". I feel like a lot of you gloss over that this is a minor body modification compared to literally just the Capitol citizens, and in their eyes was something to the affect Daniel Radcliffe deciding he wanted to be known as "the Harry Potter Guy" and wore glasses for that.

And I know part of this narrative comes from people wanting to believe that others defied the Capitol before Katniss or that she wasn't the only victor to do so, but you don't have to ignore one of the only pieces we get about a character to get it- its literally everywhere in the series. Haymitch, Johanna, Finnick, Lyme, Seeder all do so. Haymitch, who wins his games by making a mockery of the gamemakers' arena, using it as a weapon. Johanna, who loses everyone she loves, refusing to be tr*fficked, Finnick, who brings back his competitor IN THE ARENA. Lyme, who is from a career district and most likely won as a career tribute- literally the Capitol's attack dogs, being at the forefront and one of the leaders of the rebellion. Seeder, who has never met Katniss but hugs her close to whisper that Rue and Thresh's families are alive, standing with them and the other victors, holding hands to tell the Capitol "We are here, together. We are people. We see what you're doing to us." These victors all do something to make the statement you want so desperately for Enobaria to make.

Enobaria's story is about a young woman who is praised, held up, and told that the worst moment of her life is the only moment that defines her as a person. It's a story of manipulation from authority figures and a life of living in something you want so desperately to forget, but you can still taste his blood even when you just brushed your teeth and everyone is telling you that they've never seen that in the games before, and it was brilliant and then you're sitting in a hospital with your stylist beside you, next you see your face again and you know you'll never move past it, and then President Snow is throwing you a ball for your Victory Tour and your escort introduces you to a 'very generous sponsor from your games who wanted to meet you' and "what you thought that would put me off? No the whole reason I picked you is because you're such a fiesty one." You wake up the next day knowing why you'll never get to forget. The Capitol citizens, it seems, revel in the desperation of those from the districts.

Like yeah, Enobaria is most definitely a tragic character like most of the other victors, but her story would run a lot more parallels to Finnick's than Johanna's.

#the hunger games #thg #thg analysis #enobaria #3rd quarter quell #IM SORRY I JUST HAVE SO MANY GODDAMN FEELINGS ABOUT THIS SERIES #SHE'S SO TRAGIC SO FLAWED SO HATEFUL #I LOVE HER #hunger games #suzanne collins #Coriolanus Snow is a Rat Bastard

[werenotacoupleyesyouare]

I can never get over how perfectly c!tntduo played into the "those who refuse to submit to Love are the ones who will fall because of it" trope!!! Like, after being abandoned over and over Quackity decided to finally be alone and never need anyone else ever again, he built Las Nevadas to protect himself and he locked himself inside of it, safe from the outside world, swearing he would never open up his heart again... and THAT'S when Wilbur comes back. Just when Quackity swore off love and attachment forever, that's when the only person who truly sees Quackity because he's known him and most importantly he's been him, enters his life once more. Quackity learnt so much of his act/the mask he puts up in the Las Nevadas arc from Wilbur, and that's why Wilbur sees right through it. And Wilbur is a jerk, and he's impulsive and most importantly, truly dangerous. Not really to Las Nevadas, though. Quackity's not really afraid that Wilbur will blow up his nation; he's afraid he will start caring about him again, and then Wilbur will leave. That's why he's dangerous. Quackity cannot afford to be abandoned once again, and he knows very well that Wilbur never learnt how to stay. The one person who is known for running away walked into his life and destroyed his defenses as easily as if they weren't there. Poetic cinema. He truly is Love’s fool

#yeah im still here #i feel like that one taylor swift song #I LOVE THEM SO MUCH #THEYRE SO SPECIAL THEYRE SO COMPLICATED AND WONDERFUL AND TRAGIC AND THEIR FLAWS EAT INTO EACH OTHER LIKE FIRE TO WOOD #just. them #tntduo #tnt duo #c!tntduo #c!tnt duo #c!wilbur #Wilbur Soot #c!quackity #Quackity #dsmp #/rp /dsmp #dream smp

[roamingtigress]

Had it not been for Dutch and Hosea, Arthur and John wouldn't have faired well either. The intricacies and complexities of these characters and their relations with each other are all so heart-aching and head-aching and I want to hug them all, except maybe not that one. I don't want to catch fleas.

#rdr2 #dutch van der linde #arthur morgan #john marston #not saying he isn't without flaws (like everyone else) and they're all so tragic and broken but something to point out #red dead redemption 2 #rdr2 community #red dead redemption 2 community #red dead redemption two