#tss analysis

[loves-looking-glass]

Day 3:

Her <3. The way that you can see just how thin they are, their collarbones are stark against their black hair, and you can see how thin both their arms and knees are because of the pose. Also she looks a TON like my FOREVER thinspo. I'm not putting the image of her though because I don't know if she's comfortable with that lmao. But, Bianca, just know that you are THE thinspo. <33

#⭐️ving #ed not ed sheeran #ed not sheeren #ana trigger #⭐️ve #@n0r3xia #tw ed diet #sweetsp0 #🕯️as a 🪶 #ana bllog #ana meal #tss analysis #tw ana diary #anatumblr #ana rant #ed behaviour tw #@tw edd #ed disorder #ed not sherran #ed no sheeran #tw restrictive ed #i wanna be skinnier #skinnni #i want to be skinnier #skinnyyy #skinnyspø

[crossroads-of-the-raven]

This one, incredibly specific piece of foreshadowing in The Secret Saturdays (Spoilers for Season 2)

The pictures below are V.V. Argost's associates as listed in the criminal database (accessible by the Saturday family)

Notice someone. How about here (two pictures below) a.k.a. Van Rook's clientele list

Master Gokul, is that really you; what a surprise see you on two lists in Season 1, episode 7 (Van Rook's Apprentice).

I wasn't expecting to see you on my rewatch until you tried to off a kid in Season 2, episode 5 (The Legion of Garuda)

Knowing this guy might be on Argost's payroll puts this scene in a whole other perspective.

#The Secret Saturdays #TSS #Master Gokul #Argost #V.V. Argost #Van Rook #Zak Saturday #TSS Screenshots #TSS Analysis #Hostess Analysis #TSS - Hostess Analysis #Episode: Van Rook's Apprentice #Episode: The Legion of Garuda

[noperopesaredope]

A Really Stupid Pet Peeve of Mine

One random thing that annoys me sometimes for some reason is when people refer to Patton solely as Thomas’ “moral side.” Like, when someone is introducing all the sides, they say the Logan is logic, Virgil is anxiety, Roman is creativity and passion, and Patton is morality.

The series may have recently been leaning into the moral aspect of Patton more, but he has previously been established to be a lot more broad than that. He preserves all of Thomas’ more nostalgic memories (as shown in Moving On Parts 1 & 2). He encourages Thomas to do the little things that make him happy (Mind vs. Heart and Growing Up show this especially well). He often says that he is Thomas’ emotions, or at least holds them.

Patton is fun and playful and sometimes ignores doing these more “ethics” centric duties in order to just enjoy life. In fact, most of the time, it seems like being Thomas’ moral compass is kind of a side gig rather than his main job.

His sense of morality is also shown to be both firm and loose at the same time. He has his core central values, and definitely has some of the more simplistic stuff down, but most of his more complex moral decisions are pretty in the moment and it feels like those more intense ones are more...shaky? If that’s the right word? His moral compass gets very confused and mixed up quite easily, and while that can happen to us all, it seems odd for a side whose whole thing is morality.

I was thinking about his almost contradictory nature a bit ago, as the title wasn’t adding up to me. How can he be Morality but also be the one in charge of the majority of Thomas’ emotions? That doesn’t make any sense. He seems more like just Thomas’ emotions who strongly affects his morals. So what does he have to do with morality? Then I remembered something that was right in front of my face: they don’t always refer to him as morality. Sometimes, they would call him Thomas’ “heart.”

And that makes so much more sense than him being morality specifically. Him being the heart explains everything about him and his actions. Metaphorically, we say that our feelings are stored in the heart, and that our heart is where some of our more instinctual morals are. The heart is often carefree and sometimes a bit fickle, often changing course in the moment.

It also explains why Patton’s moral dilemmas felt so weird to me. Because he isn’t morality specifically. He is more the instinctual and emotion driven side of morality. You could argue that ethics are always driven by emotion, but ethics also do sometimes have a sense of “logic” to them. Ethics are complicated, which is likely why Patton has such a hard time with his morality. It’s because it’s only a part of his job, and it isn’t his job alone.

So everything made sense. Patton isn’t Morality, he is Heart. He is Thomas’  sadness, happiness, fear, anger, surprise and disgust. He is the most simplistic and yet most complex side. His job is probably one of the hardest, in a way, as he carries many of the most all consuming and overwhelming emotions, like sadness and grief.

Now, there are other sides like Virgil and perhaps the Orange side (if people’s theories are correct) who are in charge of certain emotions. But Patton is in charge of the basic ones specifically. Thomas has a fear of spiders, and therefore Patton has a fear of spiders, whereas Virgil doesn’t. If we are going with the theory that Orange is something like Wrath or Rage, that is still slightly different from anger. And we rarely associate anger with the heart either way, unless it is very deeply rooted. On top of this, Rage and Wrath are much more festering, something that doesn’t seem to fit with what Patton is about.

All in all, this is my probably completely pointless post about why Patton is Thomas’ Heart, not his Morality. This is a really dumb thing to get annoyed over, but I just needed to let it out. It can lead to so many misconceptions about him as a character if we go with the mindset that his entire title is Morality rather than Thomas’ Heart. I’m pretty sure that everyone will read this post and say “well yeah, duh, we already know that. Way to state the obvious and get worked up over nothing.” But in my defense, I am neurodivergent and particular about everything.

So yeah, those are my thoughts on that.

#sanders sides #thomas sanders sides #thomas sanders #patton sanders #sanders sides patton #patton sanders sides #tss #tss patton #the sides #morality sanders #he should be heart sanders in my humble opinion #i'm particular #i'm picky #why am i like this #i am annoying #pet peeve #dumb pet peeve #i am dumb #sanders sides analysis #tss analysis #character study #character analysis #things that annoy me

[honorary-evil-genius]

HOnestly virgil has such a strong character arc i can't even.

like in season one it was pretty textbook yeah? like he's an edgy loner antagonist who is revealed to actually want human connection and puts up a front yeah? a familiar arc written really well yeah?

and THEN we met all these other sides and as it turns out he was one of them

WHICH GIVES AN ENTIRELY NEW CONTEXT TO HIS WHOLE SEASON 1 DEVELOPMENT

he's no longer just pushing people away to make sure they get his point really clearly, he's got a whole past to be running from, potentially trying to protect himself from the same thing happening again, and also needing a support system really badly and not really being able to effectively get one.

i mean how many more layers are there now than when season one was actually happening and we haven't even really gotten any details?? we don't really know what it was like for virgil during season 1 while he wasn't around logan roman and patton (ya know, structure of the narrative and all), what made him have such bad relations with janus and remus, must i go on?

but my favorite part is that we are most likely going to get the answers to these questions, learn what the heck was going on behind the scenes in season one, which means virgil's arc is going to continue retroactively without altering any events we've already seen, i swear to god i'm so hyped

virgil is just such a good example of how this series pulls so much from earlier episodes for the current storylines, and makes the later episodes go together so well with the earlier ones even though they didn't even know they were gonna make it a series like this for most of season one i just cant its so cool

and i cannot wait to rewatch season one afterwards and know all of the different layers and get a different impact from so many scenes and interpret stuff differently!!! i'm so excited!!!

#the writing is so impressive to me #like writing an actually dramatic and plot-driven sequel to Monty Python and the Holy Grail #AND ACTUALLY SUCCEEDING #AND MAKING IT REALLY GOOD #cw caps #sanders sides #tss #ts virigl #virgil sanders #tss analysis #tss virgil #ts sides

[muppetable]

Happy birthday!!!!!🥳🥳🥳🥳🎊🎊🎊

If you could choose two sanders sides character arcs to focus on for the finale, what would they be and why???

ty!!

hmm logan and remus. i'm totally not biased because they're two of my favorites lmao

so i know with wtit they've already had a little story dedicated to them, but they parallel each other and i think it would make for an interesting story for c!thomas to realize he's pushing them BOTH away.

this was gonna be a short answer but i ended up writing an essay sorry lmao

someone's made a post about it already but logan and remus have so many parallels in their intentions despite having complete opposite methods. i think it would be cool to see that fully realized in the series rather than just an asides episode that displays it less as the parallel and more as "remus fucks everything up for logan". don't get me wrong it was a great episode!! i'm just saying i want to see it explored further.

the parallel is that both remus and logan want c!thomas to take time to work on himself by showing him everything else he could be doing. but the difference in method is that logan is trying to help c!thomas by giving him tasks to do to refocus, while remus is showing him everything that could go wrong to convince him he's not doing great. remus is trying to get him to seek help, while logan is trying to help by himself. it's an interesting way to view it.

but no matter which way could work better- adding stress or lessening it- both remus and logan are being ignored. remus's intrusive thoughts are getting repressed no matter how many times c!thomas is told that's unhealthy, and c!thomas isn't hearing out logan's perspective due to being more emotional than logical. another cool parallel the finale should explore!

also, remus is the only character who's purpose to helping c!thomas hasn't been addressed in the show. each side has their way of being helpful and harmful, and it seems like only the fandom knows remus is also trying to help while c!thomas doesn't.

here's the list of harmful traits that have been mentioned in canon:

patton: focuses too deeply on emotion and throws logical thought out the window

roman: ego crisis

logan: too strict on deadlines

virgil: stressing c!thomas out too much

janus: causing distrust among c!thomas's friends by means of deception

remus: causing intrusive thoughts

meanwhile here's the list of HELPFUL traits from each side addressed in canon.

patton: lets c!thomas see the good in everyone

roman: helps c!thomas follow his dreams

logan: seeks knowledge that could be useful to c!thomas (as well as the viewers or writer!thomas)

virgil: keeps c!thomas alert

janus: self care king

remus:

radio silence. literally no helpful traits have been addressed for remus, despite them being clear to someone like me who analyzes too deeply. he IS trying to help c!thomas by reminding him things could be worse, but instead of taking a "count your blessings" approach, he's taking a "hey look how fucked up this would be" approach.

while remus's purpose hasn't been realized and is useful, logans IS realized and useful but c!thomas just doesn't listen. the biggest difference between the two isn't their method- it's the way c!thomas is ignorant to them. he ignores logan's helpfulness and just isn't aware of remus's.

i don't know how this ended up being so long but i just really want to see these parallels and contrasting stories addressed rather than played off as "haha remus makes rube goldberg machines to piss off logan teehee how silly of him!"

#sanders sides #thomas sanders #logan sanders #remus sanders #tss #sasi #tss analysis #sanders sides analysis #ts sides #logan's askbox #logan rambles

[thermodynamic-comedian]

i bring a sort of "sanders sides poses some genuinely interesting questions about identity and how we define and seperate parts of ourselves" vibe to the club that nobody likes.

#i am once again vaguely asking for general permission from the people to ramble #i LOVE reading too much into things it's my favourite form of “analysis” #sanders sides #tss #ts sides #thomas sanders sides

[taylorswiftstylequestions]

my brain is currently rolling around thinking about the pipeline from "who you are is not what you did" (innocent) to "in plain sight you hid / you are what you did" (the smallest man who ever lived) and how as trusting and open and optimistic taylor is when it comes to life and love that there are certain scars that must have done irrevocable damage to how much she's able to believe in people who on multiple occasions have tried to appeal to and then subsequently take advantage of her innate niceness and just maul her with a semi-truck because of it MULTIPLE TIMES.

#sarah makes a text post #sarah lyric analysis #tss ttpd thoughts

[let-roman-bite-someone]

expanding on one of my previous posts, i really don't get it when fanders want to paint a certain side as "evil" or "toxic" and that certain side is always Patton

these are NOT individuals who think and make decisions for themselves. they are parts of a whole. each of them have a core quality, even if they tend to show other emotions sometimes.

Logan is not apathetic, he's literally the embodiment of logic, which is why he is so detached from anything fantastical or involving emotions. he did get better at dealing with emotions by coming up with logical solutions to it, but I don't think he will ever be able to understand or relate to emotions on the same level as Patton.

Roman isn't egotistic, he is the ego. he is the embodiment of Thomas's creativity and ego, meaning that it is completely natural for him to focus on himself too much or find it difficult to consider things from another side's perspective.

Patton is not unsympathetic, he is not toxic. I've even seen some people call him abusive?? he is a part of Thomas and unless one can abuse oneself, Patton is not abusive. Patton is the product of Thomas's upbringing, he cannot help being strict with his morals any more than Thomas can go back to his past and unlearn this unhealthy mindset. it's Patton's job to keep Thomas accountable for any mistakes he makes, and what these "mistakes" are depends heavily on what Thomas was taught.

something Virgil said in one of their earlier episodes is worth noting.

"You don't want me here but I am here, and this is what I do."

this applies to all of the sides. they don't choose to do what they do, Thomas does. if Patton is "guilt-tripping" Thomas or Roman about something, that's just Thomas naturally feeling guilty about said thing. if Virgil is trying to scare Thomas, that's just Thomas being anxious.

i know it sounds a bit like i'm not suspending my disbelief, but this is actually what happens in canon. just because the sides have physical forms and act like real people doesn't mean they are. and regardless of how much they change and grow, they will always have those core characteristics that define who they are.

#logan sanders #patton sanders #remus sanders #remus tss #roman sanders #sanders sides #sasi #thomas sanders #tss #virgil sanders #ts janus #janus sanders #ss #ts sides #sanders sides analysis #analysis #ts patton #patton #logan #virgil #remus #roman #janus #orange

[prodigal-explorer]

cant send this on anon. sad! anyways i think the point of pattons arc is to accept that the others have importance. learning to not bottle up his feelings was the first step to fixing a larger issue about himself, that being that he tries to put all responsibility of himself. and that manifests in a lot of ways, including not respecting the others and their roles.

but then you get to the end of pof, and after janus resigns to being wrong about everything, patton says that they both know that's not true. that to me signifies that something shifted in him after pof. thats him directly recognizing that janus was right. that selfishness was the right choice, that janus is important. and this is a direct consequence of janus pointing out his flaws to him (when he turns back into a human he admits that he doesn't know what hes doing and he cant pretend that he does anymore. which is a direct response to when he resolves to make sure thomas isnt a bad person in svs)

does that mean he's good at it? no. not at all. but i do think hes trying. given that hes already had a major breakdown in a video i cant see the same happening for the finale but he should definitely take time to acknowledge the others roles. maybe he can talk logan/orange down and tell him that the rage he feels is justified and important to thomas? something like that. i would love it if remus got a chance to be involved but i have the bad feeling hes gonna be the designated one dimensional comedic relief. which i kinda get why but also come the fuck on. anyways thats my two cents idk

i completely agree with you homie!!!

i also appreciate the nuance in this take cuz so many people fly to my askbox and try to tell me that patton is some innocent baby and that he should never be criticized ever because "he's trying!" and that's not what you did you actually spoke like with intelligence which was so fucking awesome to read. /g

i absolutely agree with everything you said. this is patton's arc. his arc isn't "i'm too nice and i need to stop being too nice" HELL NO that's not his arc whatsoever and there is no indication of that being his arc even though people constantly pretend that's his arc. NO. his arc is that he needs to learn that he is not the end-all-be-all of thomas' mind, and that he is not always the most important voice in the conversation. though he doesn't have overstated hubris, how highly he thinks of himself and how lowly he thinks of the others is blatantly obvious through his actions, and he's slowly getting better at, like, NOT doing that and it's really good change to see! he still has a...long...long...LONG way to go, but at least he's going somewhere. i just wish people would acknowledge this super interesting journey instead of watering patton down and being super fucking annoying whenever i try to critique him the tiniest bit.

#thomas sanders #sanders sides #tss #roman sanders #sanders sides fandom #virgil sanders #patton sanders #logan sanders #remus sanders #janus sanders #sanders sides analysis #sanders sides fandom critical #tss fandom crit

[illusion-reality-steve]

It took me THIS long for my Steve Saga trash can of a brain to formulate the thought, “I know Sabre never planned out this story, but it is metaphorical as heck for Rainbow Steve to be a Rainbow because stormy weather is associated with bad things and destruction, but then a rainbow comes in to make it all better.”

#my sweet rainbow son #rainbow steve #tss!steve saga #steve saga #analysis

[loves-looking-glass]

Hey, does anyone have any ana what's app groups i can join? I don't have discord lol <3

#⭐️ve #ana angels🪽 #@tw edd #@nor3xia #@na motivation #ftm ed #sweetsp0 #ana buddie #anatwt #tss analysis #edn0s #ed journal #ed disorder #tw ed but not sheeran #tw ed sheeran #@na rules #@na buddy #@n0r3xia #@nor3×14

[crossroads-of-the-raven]

Ben 10 References in The Secret Saturdays (two episodes, season 1)

Ben 10 The Original Series first aired in 2005 (Ben was ten years old)

The Secret Saturdays first aired in 2008 (Zak was eleven years old)

...

First reference, episode: Van Rook's Apprentice

V.V. Argost's associates list (criminal database as accessed by Drew Saturday)

Enoch of the Forever Knights, The Sorcerer Hex and one Dr. Aloysius Animo.

...

Second reference, episode: Guess Who's Going to Be Dinner?

Dr. Arthur Beeman of the Secret Scientists (specialist in Alien activity) you can watch the whole video or skip to time mark 3:00

Sweet Galvan Prime, indeed.

#The Secret Saturdays #TSS #Ben 10 #Ben 10 Series #Ben 10: Classic #The Celebrity Trio #V.V. Argost #Argost #Dr. Animo #The Forever Knights #Hex (Ben 10) #Dr. Beeman #Dr. Arthur Beeman #Zak Saturday #Fiskerton #Fiskerton Saturday #Zon #Zon Saturday #TSS Analysis #Hostess Analysis #TSS - Hostess Analysis #Episode Van Rook's Apprentice #Episode Guess Who's Going to Be Dinner? #TSS Screenshots #TSS vid #Vids #Vid #Galvan

[blazethecheeto]

found heaven is an anxceit album send tweet

#LIKE !?!?!?! ALLEY ROSE!?!?!! MISS YOU?!?!! GUYS IM GONNA GO FUCKING FERAL #hold on i need to gather any semblance of coherent thoughts to put together an analysis #conan i fear you may have cooked again #sanders sides #anxceit #i dont know whether this is too niche help #janus sanders #virgil sanders #found heaven #conan gray #alley rose #tss #fandom rant #hold on hold on hold on #janus x virgil #past anxceit

[clinically-obssessed]

Are Logan & Janus Two Sides of the Same Coin?

In "Dealing With Intrusive Thoughts," it is revealed that Remus is Roman's "dark" counterpart. But who is Janus' "light" counterpart? It is certainly possible that he doesn't have one. But given how much emphasis is put into the symmetry between the "dark" & "light" sides (same number in each, black vs white clothing, etc), as well as the similarities within these groups (the naming conventions, for instance), it seems likely that Janus is somehow connected to one of the others. Following the example of Roman and Remus, both brothers are responsible for creativity, but Roman's creativity is deemed to be good and pure, whereas Remus' creativity is deemed dark and disturbing. Therefore, Janus and his counterpart would likely share the same fundamental trait as well, though their manifestations of it would be different. On this basis, I will argue that Logan and Janus are connected by the trait of reason, and that Janus is a "dark side" because he uses reason in a way that is cynical and self-interested.

First, let us compare Logan and Janus' style of argumentation. Logan typically references scientific studies and concepts, such as the Yerkes-Dodson Curve and the statistic about Christmas decorations that appears in "Putting Others First" to name only a few. This demonstrates his highly empirical world view, and from these empirical observations he draws normative conclusions about what Thomas ought to do. One of Logan's biggest emphases is on Thomas's health, as demonstrated in "Why Do We Get Out Of Bed In The Morning?"

On the other hand, Janus focuses on philosophical arguments, referencing Kant, Stirner, and Nietzsche to make his points. Though Janus is less interested in scientific facts, he still demonstrates logic in his own way, as these philosophers all used rational arguments to support their conclusions (note: whether or not you agree with them, what I mean by "rational" is that they applied the rules of logic to their premises to construct their philosophies). Janus has also been described as representing self-preservation, an aim not too dissimilar to Logan's goal of promoting Thomas' health. After all, Janus explicitly argued in favor of Thomas's mental health in "Putting Others First."

With all of this being said, it is worth noting that the flexibility and ambiguity of philosophy allows Janus to use logic as a tool to suit his needs in the moment. To put it in the words of Renee Descartes, "there is nothing so strange and little believable that it has not been said by one of the philosophers." Furthermore, "Selfishness vs Selflessness" draws attention to the contradictions between Stirner's belief in equality and his racism, suggesting that philosophers are often hypocritical and cannot necessarily be trusted. This is what makes Janus a "dark" side - he too has the capability to reason, but rather than pursuing the noble goal of truth, he uses his powers to manipulate others and further his own ends.

Given this reading, it is significant that in "Selfishness vs Selflessness," Logan is the one to mention Peter Singer, a contemporary philosopher. This further reinforces the hidden similarities between the two. Throughout the entire series, the only other side to use philosophical arguments is Janus, so for Logan to reference a philosopher in support of one of his own arguments suggests that he recognizes a certain logic to them as well (even if it is not his default method of logic). Moreover, Janus' adoption of the more science-based mental health rhetoric in the same episode shows that this parallel goes both ways.

This opens up a new avenue for speculation: who is Patton's "dark" counterpart? There are two possibilities: Virgil and the yet-to-be-revealed Orange Side. I will now discuss the evidence and implications of both:

Virgil: It is undeniable that Virgil and Patton share a unique bond. This can be seen throughout the episodes, and it would feed into the idea that Virgil is Patton's (formerly) "dark" counterpart. The trait that both share in common is feelings - while Patton's feelings are generally quite positive with some negative ones slipping through (see Moving on), Virgil is largely negative with a few positive emotions occasionally showing. However, if Virgil is the "dark" side of Patton, it is not clear what it means for him to have joined the "light" sides or what makes him special in that regard. Perhaps it can be explained as a result of Patton's morality -- he is ultimately who dictates which sides are good or bad, so if he took a personal liking to Virgil, he would see Virgil as good and thus Virgil would "become light."

Orange: Fans have speculated rather plausibly that the orange side will represent rage/anger, which would work well with this theory. This would be another instance of emotions "gone wrong" so to speak, as one emotion that Patton (and by extension Thomas) never seems to show is anger. Anger has a certain capacity for destructiveness, so this could be why the orange side is considered "dark." If orange was Patton's counterpart, this would leave Virgil without any counterpart, suggesting that he occupies an unusual role within Thomas' psyche and is perhaps the sole "neutral" side.

There is, of course, a third possibility: that orange & Virgil are counterparts, and that Patton is the one who is exceptional. Maybe Patton's role as the arbiter of morality means that he occupies a privileged position in Thomas's psyche which cannot easily be inverted (after all, what would be the purpose in a side that makes Thomas evil for no reason?)

Anyway, what do you guys think?

#sanders sides #sanders sides analysis #sanders sides theory #Sanders sides #logan sanders #janus sanders #ts sides #tss

[loganscroftersstash]

also i just wanna point out in the “losing my motivation” video where logan plays dress up, when roman comes logan says “i think there’s a spider behind you— nevermind it was just a shadow” and roman looks behind the tv.

like i know it’s small shit like that but oh my god that’s cool like shadows can represent the opposites of ourselves (i mean look at wisp and gigi from 13 wishes)

and also in wtit when remus is pouting and ignoring logan in his chair there’s an ORANGE JACKET RIGHT BEHIND HIM.

#sanders sides #logan sanders #thomas sanders #remus sanders #roman sanders #ts orange #dark creativity sanders #logic sanders #creativity sanders #sanders sides theory #sanders sides analysis #tss #mitzy analyzes

[burnmyloveaway]

Not me finding out my thesis supervisor wrote an entire ass book on fanfiction and fandom 💀💀💀

#not fandom #(hehe ba dum tss) #not but really #it's scientific in the sense that it's a linguistics analysis (the subject is plurilingualism in fanfics) #bUT #what did she read 😭😭 #in the table of contents there was a paragraph on honorifics anime and manga fiydiyditditdiyd #I must read that shit! #(and resist the urge to ask her about her otps the next time I meet her ⚰️)