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hadescabin · 5 months
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TW// GROOMING, MANIPULATION breaking down tigerheartstar and dovewing and why i think its awful ik I said that I dont really like warrior cats anymore but recently i've been thinking about some stuff regarding the series and its fandom and there's one thing that's been particularly bothering me. dovewing and tigerheart. it's just crazy to see the shift of support for tigerdove considering early 2010s warriors fandom seemed mixed on them. now there seems to be this equivocal support for them, probably because most of the fandom's exposure to the couple has been the recent books which frames them as man who loves his wife x burnt out prophecy kid who will do anything for her malewife. which theres nothing wrong with that dynamic, i think it's cute, but people really seem to forget about how tigerheart straight up groomed and treated dovewing awfully throughout oots and even in tigerheart's shadow. it seems to be a forgotten fact that tigerheart was a full grown warrior by the time he was pursuing dovepaw, who was a newly made apprentice. for perspective, this was a 6-7 moon teenager with someone almost the age of her mentor (a little younger). people try to use the excuse "oh but they're cats" and "the age gap isnt that bad" but even the recent books acknowledge with frostpaw and splashtail, that a warrior and apprentice dating is WEIRD. tbf oots was released in the early 2000s, but the fact that canonically speaking the age gap is seen as a teenager and adult relationship gives me the ick. it really puzzles me to see people get on ships like dustfern and bramblesquirrel (both of which i hate btw) for their age gaps but come up with every excuse in the books to defend tigerdove. its not even just the age gap too, again, their relationship has consisted of tigerheart manipulating and grooming dovepaw to do what he wants. in the first two books (esp the second book of oots) dovepaw is presented as someone who got attached to the cats from the journey and doesnt necessarily understand why they must act like they shouldnt exist anymore due to the borders. this is something that tigerheart LEARNS and actively takes advantage of when dovepaw questions why hes at their borders (tldr its dark forest stuff). he shifts the topic and then goes on about the journey and how he felt that they almost became friends, and that if they were in the same clan things would be easier. this may not seem like a big deal, but this goes on for the rest of their interactions whenever tiger needs to pressure her to do something she doesnt want (meeting up, trusting him, etc.) He realizes that the subject of different borders resonates with her and uses it to his advantage whenever he wants something out of her. This can especially be seen in the next book, “Night Whispers”, which kickstarted their relationship. Dovepaw accidentally ran into ShadowClan territory while hunting, and Tigerheart happens to find her there. Once again, he gives her a speech about borders being meaningless, before asking her to meet up with him before the ShadowClan patrol catches them. There’s also other examples in later books where he coerces her into meeting up or trusting him since “that’s what friends are for” or even later in that book, where he manipulates her into using Ivypaw as a captive for herbs. 
When you take this into account, plus him as a full grown warrior, starting a romantic relationship with a barely apprenticed Dovepaw who is shown as having a childish/ immature perception on romance/mates (such as her argument with Ivypaw and claiming that she should “find her own mate”), Tigerdove feels very much like grooming to me. According to the dictionary definition grooming is, “the action of attempting to form a relationship with a child or young person, with the intention of sexually assaulting them”. Of course, in this case, since it’s a young adult book, it’s to form a romantic relationship, which could also be another goal of grooming. Groomers tend to display manipulative behaviors towards the victims in order to coerce them into trusting them more. Whether that be through compliments, gifts, trying to resonate with them or make them feel special. They tend to try to get them to keep and “share” secrets, which is another tactic they utilize both to isolate the victim and to get them to feel more comfortable. 
A lot of behaviors that Tigerheart displays towards Dovepaw falls under this, including the examples I mentioned. There are a couple of other comments that he makes which come off as creepy such as Dovepaw “being his favorite sister”, which as I established, is something a groomer would say in order to make the victim feel as though they’re special and garner their trust. Which is especially the case when you note that he makes that comment in reference to Dovepaw asking about his ties to Ivypaw, which he actively lies about, and quickly reassures her that there’s nothing going on. 
This tactic of manipulation, where he either makes her feel special, or even love bombs and dissuade her from standing up for herself, doesn’t stop when she’s an apprentice. It continues when she’s a warrior, and is constantly used throughout OOTS and “Tigerheart’s Shadow”. At one point in the series, Dovewing and Tigerheart get into an argument about Dawnpelt wrongfully accusing Jayfeather of murder. When Tigerheart defends his sister, Dovewing stands up for Jayfeather, which prompts Tigerheart to try and manipulate her out of the conversation. He jumps straight to talking about how much he loved and missed her, and guilts her by asking why they had to argue like this, and why they couldn’t just “meet like before”. As for Tigerheart's Shadow, he actively goes against what she wants (to raise her kits outside the clan) and actively pressures and guilts her into coming back, before she finally relents. He doesn't care about what SHE wants, it's always about him. Whether it be secretly meeting up, or in The Last Hope, he tries to pressure her to date him again (which she FINALLY refuses and scolds him for thinking about his own needs when they're right before a final battle. as she should). It's especially upsetting in the newest book that tigerheart seems to be the only think at the center of her character. when she argues with ivypool, it's less about the two sister's interpersonal conflicts and more about her and tigerheart's relationship. which...feels like a lot of missed potential to me? i want them to argue, i want dovewing to stand up to herself against ivypool, but why does the entire conflict have to revolve around him? why can't dovewing have her own thoughts and feelings without it tying back to her awful husband?
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ayspooky1 · 6 months
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For @bellflowering
I hope you like it.😉
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They’re Paws. 🐾 I like your Redpaw and Jawpaw, btw.
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5rcane · 2 months
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grubscouts · 6 months
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halo-mango · 7 months
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Cringetober Day 5 - MS Paint
Firestar from warrior cats
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nilkaart · 4 months
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lavenderbirchtrees · 7 months
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Now see him silly
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dummypawbz · 9 months
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Scourge.
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DARK FOREST LEADERS' LIVES
ALDERSTAR
1: Independence
Given by unknown elderly she-cat
Message: "Use it."
2: Wisdom
Given by unknown tom
Message: "Use it to see your actions for what they are."
3. Regret
Given by Fallendust, his first victim
Message: "Maybe someday you will use it."
4. Empathy
Given by Shimmerstone, his father's other mate (and only queen in the nursery when Alder's mother died)
Message: "Use this life to see your Clanmates beyond the blank slates you know them as.” 
5. ??
6. ??
7. ??
8. ??
9. Love
Given by his mother, Sweettree
Message: "Please, please don't let it lead you astray anymore."
More words were spoken, these were only the messages linked directly to the lives.
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Omenstar
1: Justice
Given by his mother, Flickerspring
Message: "Use this life to see what is right and what is wrong. Do not let false promises of Justice lead your faith astray."
2: Truth
Given by his mentor, Skylight
Message: "Someone you care about will use your trust against you. Use this life to see things for how they are."
3. Mercy
Given by his father, Duskshell
Message: "As "your leadership progresses, you will find yourself making harsh choices. Know that the blood of the innocents is not worth anything, and use mercy wisely."
4. Clear Sight
Given by his friend, Quailheart
Message: "Your Faith towards Starclan is strong. Use this life to not let it blind your way."
5. Judgement
Given by his Clanmate, Luckyquip
Message: "Life leads to risky choices, and choosing between right or wrong. Let this life help you choose what is right for you and your Clan."
6. Patience
Given by his Clanmate, Talonflame
Message: "Patience is important when it comes to leadership. Use this life to keep yourself calm when faced with life's choices."
7. Open-Mindedness
Given by his close friend, Tidepool
Message: "As a leader, you must be willing to let others show you new views that you have not known of. Let yourself be able to hear the views of your clanmates, and listen to what they believe."
8. Empathy
Given by his crush, Wavecrash
Message: "To consider other's emotions is a powerful thing. Acknowledge the emotions of cats you care about, and it will take you far."
9. Duty
Given by the previous leader, Reedstar
Message: "With this final life, I give you the life to see things through, as it is your duty. Do not take this life as a way to force things through, but to know when something is not worth pursuing."
MORE TBA
LET ME KNOW YOUR CHARACTERS'!
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moshieee · 2 months
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Do you read Warrior cats?
I read series 1 in elementary school but kind of lost interest after that
But I still watch the " I spoil warrior cats for everyone" videos from moonkitti on occasion to keep up with the series
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tsgurp · 2 months
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"Welcome Voyager, to your peril. Or... Your Paradise, perhaps...?"
"The Stars Guide Us" is an original 18+ WC-Adjacent roleplay based on an archipelago of islands close to the equator.
None of the locations are meant to reflect any one real-life Location, and we have our own in-world, original lore that features a Polytheistic Religion, with chances to play as other species, make allies, and forge new beliefs and paths, as well. Planned events are available upon request and IRP development, and the first arc is yours for the influencing!
We actively strive for a character and roleplayer driven experience.
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May the stars, Everlasting and bright, Guide your path...
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gabdrewthat · 1 year
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i'm starting to enjoy drawing from these prompts, can't wait for it to give me a cat with the teeth sufix please i need to know her mentor
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alxfurry · 9 months
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Hi!!!!🐺⭐️🌠🌑 I'm looking for furry/therian moots!!! 😋😋😋
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sainka-juice · 9 months
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Jon Braxton was a warriors cats kid and role played as a medicine cat. no I do not take criticism
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crxwboy · 1 year
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id really like to read a book about midnight. like shes not a main character but she’s definitely an important one. she mentions that shes travelled a long ways, and has spoken to foxes, rabbits, and interestingly enough, other cats that do not speak the same as the clan cats. she could be referring to the tribe cats but they still speak the same language, although using different words for clan roles.
either way id really really want to read about how exactly she was chosen to communicate with starclan and how she learned the tongue of other animals. it would be a compelling read. i definitely think the erin hunter team could get a full length book out of it, but even if it was just a novella i would still want to read it.
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