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wildstorm312 · 1 year
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pov u die in another dimension and meet its god
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knarf2043 · 1 year
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Idk about ya'll but TOH's ending got me thing about other disney shows' endings, causing me to make this
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idkwidatp · 3 months
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Hi welcome to a rant about gravity falls and also kinda the owl House
As an actual theory I don't like the idea of King being the reincarnation of bill however as an au of sorts I love it but as an actual theory there are some holes and also a theory that makes more sense that I like more, King isn't similar enough to bill to me at least for him to be a reincarnation of him. Also I like the theory that Bill is alive in Stan's mind much better because if the way that they got rid of bill was through getting him in Stan's mind and erasing stans memory and they got Stan's memories restored then wouldn't tha mean that Bill is also back also what does king have to do with an axolotl? Nothing that's what. I like matpats theory that Bill and Stan have been connected for a very long time also I'm not saying that TOH and gf don't take place in the same cannon, Stan married a woman named marylin that stole his car and "had one oddly sharp tooth." Now doesn't that sound like a certain owl lady or what? Also ric and Morty takes place in same cannon amphibia takes place in the same cannon as both gf and TOH so therefore amphibia and toh take place in the same cannon as Rick and Morty. Plus I wouldn't be surprised if otgw and gf take place in the same cannon (and I headcannon that they do) so on top of that otgw would also take place in the same cannon as amphibia and toh and Rick and Morty
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Anne is God
Luz is Jesus
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iamdeltas · 1 year
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It's funny watching a video that is about comparing the Gravity Falls, Amphibia, and The Owl House finales and seeing that it ultimately concludes that they're All Great, but they each excel in different ways. I mean, it's super valid, and I do agree that it's not as simple as just saying, '[X]'s finale was Objectively the best one' because they each have their strengths and weaknesses, but it's still pretty funny to see that be the conclusion, as opposed to giving an actual ranking.
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anonymous-winter · 2 years
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Ok guys but if you can watch The Owl House legally, I'd recommend you do so. Same goes for other shows like Amphibia and The Ghost And Molly McGee
By legally I mean watching it when it airs on TV, y'know
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whoistrash · 7 months
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Why change matters and how Amphibia did it better than The Owl House.
"Watching and Dreaming" made me cry a lot during its premiere. I was amazed and, I'd say, dazed by it. Then I forgot about it for a while. Now I finished re-watching Amphibia for the first time since TOH ended. My hype died down, and I have some thoughts. A lot, actually.
Amphibia's ending was incredibly painful and made me sob like a baby for two whole weeks the first time I watched it. That's because it was not only beautiful and heartbreaking, but truly GOOD. Brilliant, actually. I absolutely agree with a statement that any other ending would literally be a contradiction to the whole main plot, especially Anne's arc. The girls had to learn to let go in order to grow as individuals - the thing they had the biggest problem with. Saying goodbye was the only logical option, plot-wise. It still hurt like hell, though. Separating the multidimensional, against-all-odds relationships (especially my beloved spranne. Ouch, ouch, ouch). The Owl House does no such thing - everybody stays together. They live happily ever after.
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Paradoxically, I think that it's the main reason why I'd choose "The Hardest Thing" over "Watching and Dreaming" every single time. I know we shouldn't really compare them in EVERY aspect, since TOH had way more things to deal with in the final episode, but the fact that Luz got to not only stay, but to freely travel between worlds as she pleases really took the whole "growing up and finding your true self no matter what the other people do/say about you" thing out the door. Luz from season one, episode one, and Luz from the finale are not really that different. Well, she certainly became more traumatised and depressed than before, but in terms of personal growth? Nope. Luz - from the very beginning - was cheerful, open, caring and very selfless, willing to literally help every stranger she met no matter how it would affect her. She had little to no boundaries, but, well, you can't argue that she was A GOOD, SELFLESS PERSON. Now, we could say that her arc here would be learning that sometimes you should put yourself before others, that you can't save everyone, that you can't trust every person you meet. And she learns it! She fucking does! She helps Philip not knowing who he will become, and then suffers from the consequences, because she helped the wrong person. And then it's all erased, when she saves Collector's life and meets Papa Titan (or whatever we call them).
I have so much to say about this. All of TOH's "villains" (Amity, Lilith, Hunter, The Collector) that were given a redemption arc literally get turned into lifeless, edgy trauma dumpsters, that suddenly loose all of their previous character, quirks and sass (well, maybe except for Lilith, she just started to express them differently, I think, but still, it was WAY too big of a change). I won't dwell on it (since many, many fans called it out already - as they should), and will focus on something different. The only one marked as irredeemable is Belos. Good. Okay. He's irredeemable, because he's a white, christian puritan who won't listen to anyone but himself. Also a genocidal maniac. That's the lesson for Luz here. "You can't save everyone. Some people are just straight up evil". And it's very, very true. But.
From all of the "villains" I mentioned before, Belos is the one that had the most reasons to, let's say, take a dark turn. Those reasons are what makes him irredeemable - he's just too convinced he's right, because, in his mind, he has evidence to prove it. But how do we learn about this? Maybe by seeing his part of the story? Maybe by learning about his brother and Evelyn, about their relationship? It couldn't be straight up awful, since Philip literally brought his brother back to life over and over again, he wanted his brother, or at least the picture of Caleb that satisfied him the most. There was more to it than only "you betrayed me and now I will hate you forever". Do we get to see any of that? No. Instead we get an all-knowing, all-doing being that literally choose Luz as "the one" for being kind and trusting, that convinces her that Belos is, indeed, a lost cause. Do you see where I'm going with this?
Luz, the person that on the literal episode two was told that there is no such thing as a "chosen one" and that she can't always hop into action to save everybody, because, it's, well, not always possible, DOES EXACTLY THAT in the finale by taking a bullet for The Collector, the, you know, very freshly redeemed and suddenly cute and funky villain, whom Luz trusts immediately. AND SHE IS REWARDED FOR IT BY BEING MADE THE CHOSEN ONE. BY A GOD-LIKE BEING THAT CLAIMS TO BE ALL-KNOWING AND CAN DECIDE WHO IS RIGHT AND WHO IS WRONG, BECAUSE OF PERSONAL (King) REASONS. Just like, you know... Belos? The irredeemable villain? And then Luz lets go of the moral dilemmas that's been keeping her up at night for the past months, makes up her mind, defeats the bad guy, learns nothing, and gets to stay in the Boiling Isles and on Earth. With her beautifully redeemed girlfriend and friends whom she kept secrets from and lied to out of fear of being ostracised (you see the pattern here, right?) for, again, months.
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I love Amphibia. I love The Owl House. But Amphibia handles it's "villains", generally wronged characters and the whole change/no change thing way better. Well, maybe besides the Core - they got a bit wasted in my opinion. But still. Sasha. Grime. Marcy. Andrias. Anne herself. They learn and change. And more importantly, they face consequences and come to understand and accept them. There's no "chosen one" here. Anne gets the proposition because she's the first one to use the music box for good in literal millenia. A fact, plain and simple (not an opinion based on personal motivations), that makes sense plot-wise, and adds so, so much to Anne's arc. Because Anne from season one, episode one wouldn't care. The one from the finale cares very damn much. And that's the biggest difference.
Saying goodbye makes the message way stronger. The more I think about it, however, the more I'm starting to be afraid that there's no The Message in The Owl House to begin with. Luz learns very little, yet ends up with everything she ever wanted. There's no power behind it. The "find the right people and choose to trust them, not everyone will be your friend" and "some things are out of your control, some people are just bad" aspect is even weaker, as proven by basically the whole season 3. I will end it by my favorite quote from Amphibia, that I think about on daily basis. Have a good day, y'all.
"Change can be difficult, but it's how we grow. It can be the hardest thing to realize you can't hold on to something forever. Sometimes, you have to let it go; but, of the things you let go, you'd be surprised what makes its way back to you."
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flower-boi16 · 5 months
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Why separating Luz from the demon realm wouldn't work.
A few months ago, The Owl House released its series finale "Watching and Dreaming", the final episode of the third season, and it was probably the best episode to come out of the show and was a perfect send-off to the series. I could make a whole post on why I love Watching and Dreaming as a finale so much, but that's not what we're talking about. Instead, let's talk about a critique of the finale I've seen: that being, the fact that Luz gets to stay in the demon realm. To me, this criticism is pretty stupid and misses the core themes of the show, so let's talk about why separating Luz from the demon realm wouldn't work.
Well, there's a major reason as to why separating Luz from the demon realm wouldn't work; it would betray the themes of the show. The Owl House is about Luz finding a place where she belongs, she gets to find real friends and a family, making real connections with people, something she could never do in the human realm. From a writing and narrative perspective, ripping Luz away from all of her friends and her found family would completely spit in the face of the show's themes and invalidate it.
A bittersweet ending where Luz leaves the demon realm would not fit with the show's core themes. And this is something I feel a lot of people need to hear; Bittersweet =/= good. A bittersweet ending isn't automatically better than a traditionally happy one. A bittersweet ending only works if it fits with the core themes of the story, not all stories need to have a sad bittersweet ending.
"But Luz didn't have to make any sacrifices!!" Does she REALLY need to though? After everything these characters have been through, after all the character growth and relationships they built with each other, after the trauma the hexsquad faced in season 3 where they were all separated from their parents for MONTHS and where Luz and Hunter got traumatizing revelations to their face and they have to keep secrets from the others because they think they'll all hate them once the truth is revealed, after ALL OF THAT, does the show really need to make Luz sacrifice anything? The answer is no, because after everything Luz and her friends have been through, they've earned the happy ending they got.
The show doesn't need to make Luz sacrifice anything, she's been through enough to earn the ending she got. I feel like after Gravity Falls and Amphibia people expected TOH to have a bittersweet ending like those shows, but the reason why a bittersweet ending worked for those shows is because it fits within their themes. Gravity Falls is about growing up and Amphibia is about change (at least from what I've heard I don't know I haven't finished that show yet). TOH isn't about either of those things so a bittersweet ending where Luz is ripped away from her friends would not work and wouldn't fit with the show's core themes.
My point in this essay is this; not every show needs a bittersweet ending, and TOH is a good example of that.
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rockymountainqueen2 · 2 months
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New TOH Content From Disney's Chibiverse Valentine's Day Episode!
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Since the episode is both A.) Over 22 minutes long & B.) Features numerous characters from various Disney owned IP's; I will only be posting screenshots that contain TOH characters.
Now that's out of the way... Let's get started!
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Considering how Lumity heavy this Chibiverse episode is, it amuses me that Hunter is the first TOH character to make an appearance.
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He's manning the kiss cam! He takes the responsibility very seriously.
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Lumity arrives! On... Stringbean... wearing outfits that they don't wear in Season 3. You know, the season Stringbean hatches in.
I suppose the Chibiverse never claimed to follow continuity, lol.
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The episode has a "couples compete against other couples in a game show" set up. Luz and Amity are chosen as one of the couples to compete!
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The Chibiverse episodes aren't really much more than the Chibi Tiny Tales shorts complied together, with some new animated content revolving around a wafer thin "plot" being used to connect the segments.
In this segment, Luz is riding a rollercoaster!
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And now she's on a ferris wheel with Amity! Mere seconds after being seen riding another ride, lol.
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Game show format.
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Lumity tease another couple about how they're totally in love with each other despite claiming to be friends by mentioning that they also started out as friends. (And before that, enemies!)
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Anyone else wondering why Amity's eyes have been half-lidded nearly the entire time?
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Lumity being recognized and used in official Disney licensed content!
Amusingly, instead of it being called their "ship name", it's referred to as their "power couple" name. Lol.
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This little point icon thing-y is adorable.
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But I think that the little heart with their faces on it on top of it is even more adorable, lol.
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Next bit of TOH related content in this episode, the Lumity Date Chibi Tiny Tales short!
I did not screenshot any of it because it can be found elsewhere online.
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Question one for the couples: What's your partner's favorite food?
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And Amity's favorite food is apparently fairy pie! This makes the fact that she made a fairy pie was Luz at one point even sweeter than it already was.
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And Amity loves it! Luz blushes with pride.
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More teasing!
Amity also looks weirdly like a cat in this 'shot, lol.
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Second question for the couples: What is your partner's favorite color?
Turns out, Amity's is lavender!
(Also: Glyphs apparently work in the Chibiverse.)
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Only that's actually... wrong?!
As it turns out, Amity's real favorite color is... periwrinkle.
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Luz & Amity try to argue that lavender & periwrinkle are so similar that they might as well be the same color, but no sell.
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Yet more teasing. This is the main running gag for the episode, and yes, by this point, it starts to feel like it's overstayed it's welcome.
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And now it's time to watch The Amphibia House Chibi Tiny Tales short!
I don't know what this short has to do with "love" (Since all of the shorts are supposed to revolve around it in this episode), but maybe it considers Luz and Anne's new friendship to be a form of platonic love or something. Lol.
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Time for the final question!
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What does your partner want to be when they grow up?
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We never actually get to see either Luz or Amity answer this question.
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Because they tie with another couple and thus "win" the game show basically by default, lol.
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But we do get to see them kiss on the kiss cam!
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I literally just included this because Luz & Amity are both blushing.
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Enough Lumity! Now let's get some eleventh hour Huntlow!
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I love how this is how we finally got an official Huntlow kiss, lol. Hunter is about as shocked as I was to see it!
And that's all folks. Hope you liked my rundown!
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dazeddoodles · 27 days
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Not only raine is in danger
All them plantars are in the girl-stealing business.
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When the Valentine's Day Chibiverse special came out I made the mistake of watching the whole thing instead of just waiting for someone to make a compilation of the Lumity and Starco parts like everyone else.
And all the shorts they played were romantic in some way. But they ALSO played the first TOH/Amphibia crossover where Luz and Anne met? Implying that short is meant to be romantic.
Maybe all the people who insisted Amity would be jealous of Luz interacting with another girl when that first short came out were right. For once.
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mdhwrites · 4 months
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Do you think it's a bit odd how muddy the premise of TOH is?
I can sum up the premise of other similar shows I've watched in one sentence to any hypothetical viewer going in blind. SU: A chubby boy struggles to master his own power, identity, and goodness while navigating complex family dynamics, old wounds, and sick sci-fi technomagic. Amphibia: Three girls search for each other, stretch their friendship to its limits, and find a way back home in a wacky land populated by amphibians. She-Ra: An imperialist soldier turned rebel fights to free her homeland from occupation whilst struggling with the unique bond she shares with her frenemy.... etc!
I'm just not sure what I could say for TOH. A girl runs away from home to be mentored by a wild witch? But she doesn't really get mentored, and she didn't exactly run away either (she just... didn't go home until it was too late.) A girl leaves her home dimension to enroll in a magic school - hm, but that wasn't really something she super duper cared about, it was just part of the witch gimmick for her.
What else?? A human enters a land of witches, only to discover sinister scheming from the only other human to genocide - which - he's 400-ish too, so, uh, that proves that... colonialism... um.. religion... Let's restart. A human enters witchland and discovers things are not as they seem - no, things are pretty much as they seem-
A closeted girl is thrust into a new world in which she can be herself, and catches the eye of a popular rich girl? Hey, that's not too bad, except it ignores a whole lot of other shit that went down.
How about: A girl enters a wacky land that fulfills her dream of living a fantasy to a T, including the unpleasant parts of the genre.
...Yeah, I guess that's the closest I'm getting. Anyway, what d'you think about TOH's premise? Is it clear to you?
So when I bring up that TOH has a split personality problem, this is what I'm talking about. It effectively is trying to tell three different stories, with three different tones. Any one would be good on its own. Any two would need some finesse but they had plenty of time. All three? Well, even disregarding time constraints, you would have had to be really smart in mixing all three elements in order to make something cohesive as keeping them all separate for longer would simply create the same problem as keeping them apart for a short time does.
And TOH doesn't even fucking try. The literal only element that consistently ties all three story ideas together is Luz. I'll get into it more in a second but this is part of why when you pitch the show to someone, you kind of just have to focus the entire description on Luz in one way or another. To mention any of the other elements causes you to inherently imply one is more important than the others and TOH never chose anything to prioritize.
But of course, what were the three stories trying to be told and with what tones? And I'll talk about how it handles each of them weaving into one another once I've just established a baseline for each.
Well, first we have the slice of life, comedy, coming of age story that is Luz, Eda, King and Lilith. Especially in S1, most hijinks with them are focused around blunt morality, hijinks and just dealing with a problem of the day. It is the most bluntly kid's show of any of them, adopting a lot of the tone of Amphibia. This is why we get so many B plots with King that are the same thing over and over again. It's why Lilith and Eda are on opposite sides of the law but they don't fight until the end but instead are just nice, silly sisters here for hijinks. It's also part of why Lilith is made into a joke in S2 because that is more keeping in line with the tone of this storyline than if she were to actually what happened to her seriously and mixed in with:
The second is a fantasy epic about the corruption of a world by hate and prejudice. Of one man's corrupted beliefs of religion and want for control ruining a land. It is a much darker toned story, meant to reflect the horrors of the real world and its prejudices. This is the plot of Belos and Hunter. It is also the plot that is the smallest part of TOH but should have been the most omnipresent due to how so much of it is tied strictly into the worldbuilding. A lack of world building easily makes this sort of story, like most dystopians, fall completely apart. It also is the one that requires the most adherence to it as conflicting elements makes this story feel all the weaker each time someone treats this existential threat as nothing to be worried about.
The third is the most obvious: The school drama/romance story. This one is probably the one actually trying to be the most concise due to how almost every element for a season and a half of this plot is dedicated just to the weird girl/serious girl romance. It's a classic and one I've iterated on multiple times myself as it's just a fun concept to handle.
So there you go. Three ideas that are each on their own a good story but have their own complications. Each one of these could have easily taken two seasons to properly explore and tell. With more efficient storytelling, any of them could have taken a single season or less.
But then you get the exponential problem of mixing them together. Because mind you, tonally you have a comedy slice of live, a romantic drama, and a dark epic. Those are VASTLY different genres for each tonally and in narrative intent.
The easiest combo is actually the first and second. This is actually what Amphibia is effectively. The show starts in a somewhat isolated part of the world so its lighter tone can not contrast with the darker epic that is to come, giving it a safe space for character development, relationships, etc. Then with each threat, it gets a little more serious with its tone. There's a reason Hop Pop buries the box in S1 but the confrontation about what that means isn't until S2. There's a reason why S3B of Amphibia is MARKEDLY more serious than anything that came before it. The strength of this combo is that when the darker elements show up, the contrast of what came before makes them hit all the harder and makes you care about the stakes.
So what about how TOH handles it? Well, Lilith and Eda are theoretically a blend of the two but Lilith is never treated quite seriously enough. Also, rather than it being ideological, it comes across more personal with those two and it kind of leaves Belos out of it for the entirety of the first season, especially due to how wishy washy the show is about the covens being a big deal. Then in S2, Lilith absolutely SHOULD be the connective tissue. Her and Luz share a similar anger towards Belos and the two acting on that anger is a way to show that hate in any form is destructive, playing on the grander themes of the epic side of it while bringing in The Owl Family.
Instead, Lilith is just kind of flicked away, rendering any connective tissue from S1 to just evaporate, especially as no one actually seems to have cared about Belos almost murdering Eda. Rather, Raine is the connective tissue for the two plotlines. You know, the character who never gets to meaningfully interact with Luz or King, nor actually has a role in potentially pulling Luz to different ways of learning like Lilith might have, meaning they don't interact with the mentor side either. Even in their first episode, Raine is entirely self contained away from the other two. Eda and King's closest contribution to the plot before S3 is honestly in trying to get info out of Warden Wrath and that's really it. Otherwise, they're entirely divorced from Belos, his philosophy and his machinations.
So next easiest combo: The grand epic mixed with the school setting. This is how you get things like S3 of RWBY, My Hero Academia or Harry Potter (Though HP sucks dick at it too because good old Joanne sucks both at being a good person and actually writing anything serious.) The school setting is used as a kind of safe space for drama, romance and teenage shenanigans while the dark elements allow those things to come to a fever pitch as well as a way to test the bonds made at school versus the grand threat's hate and evil. It's hard to make smooth though, if the fact that I listed two things with... questionable plot writing to put it mildly isn't indicative. It at least has been done before. Oh, Naruto pre-Shippuden could possibly also be counted as this.
And TOH mixes these two by... Hunter? That really is the closest it ever comes to mixing them. The school is easily the part that obliterates taking Belos' regime or themes seriously as it constantly, CONSTANTLY undermines the worldbuilding of the show and struggles to actually feel like a part of the grander society. None of the Hexside Squad members ever properly face what being a wild witch or ditching the coven system actually means after all. Amity literally treats it as something that will mildly disappoint her parents but isn't a big deal.
So all you really have is Sport in a Storm and Labyrinth Runners as at least those episodes are using the school setting to give Hunter a chance to make friends and become a better person, theoretically, and he's important to the epic storyline so that kind of counts. If you REALLY want to stretch it, Eclipse Lake is another point of crossover before all three plotlines are mashed together starting at Clouds on the Horizon but the only justification there is that Amity is from the school stuff, though it's closer to fitting the tone and tropes of the mentor's storytelling than that of the school's.
But that is still three... In almost 38 episodes.
The last one is easily the most awkward and the one I don't have examples for: Mixing the Mentor and School plotlines. It's actually pretty easy to see why this would be hard. Both are about teaching the main character but in different ways. I think you could claim some works have done this by having a specific teacher be the primary teacher/mentor for the main character while the school is just where that mentor is accessed.
So how does TOH mix the-
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Huh...
I'm not over exaggerating that much. Besides Teenage Abomination, VERY WEAKLY, the two never actually mix. Eda comes to Hexside once. King interacts with the Hexside kids a couple times but always in episodes or B plots that are much closer to the silly slice of life stuff than anything trying to mix the two tones. Even when it does, you get Really Small Problems where neither story is progressed and it all feels bad. Remember the closest that Eda comes to ever being a part of fixing a school problem is in Understanding Willow where she's just a spell dispenser before then being an idiot for Gus. It doesn't make her look better or play with any of the themes. The next closest is during The First Day where she is isolated entirely in her own plot so it's not actually mixing it besides the fact that Eda is at the school.
And for all three?
Well... I think the best way to point this out is that the best example of all three plots coming together is Edric deciding to expand his knowledge of magic. He actively chooses to reject what society has told him, tries a new method endorsed by the mentor figure but does at least acknowledge that his old schooling didn't prepare him for it. It's not strong and it's still hamstringing the epic storyline because he's already practicing two types of magics and so is mostly just nervous about being any good at this but it's SOMETHING.
But otherwise? The three shall never meet. Even once Clouds on the Horizon happens, they never meet. Eda literally never spends time with the Hexside Squad, especially as a whole. King is barely a part of the mentor stuff by then and is purely in the Epic territory and he's still not interacting much with them. Even in the final episode, the Hexside members are entirely on their own while Luz, Eda and King properly take out Belos, rather than everyone trying to protect Luz or having to fight by her side.
This sequestering of characters, themes, plotlines, etc. causes the show to waste a LOT of time and never have a proper focus. You never know what the point to a scene is because what it's serving is unclear, if it's serving anything at all. The show, by the end, can still have cut Amity and Hexside out entirely and lost literally nothing except much of what made the fandom engage with the show. And a reminder: Disney SUGGESTED Hexside. Dana said yes. It wasn't forced on her.
And that fits the show's entire storytelling ethos. It never feels like it is actually focusing on a single point. Instead, individual episodes will present interesting ideas or statements that immediately conflict or need to be retconned by other episodes because nothing is properly congruent. It is all conflicting against each other because each part is acting entirely independent of the rest.
It is an ever growing leviathan but rather than bringing in more of what is around it to make it stronger, it only ever hurts itself more and more as the details that once shone on its surface are made murky and unclear by all it has piled upon it until there is nothing but a rancid sludge. Unclear, unfocused and hard to describe except in the most blunt way possible. So what is the most blunt way to describe TOH?
The only factor that gets to cross all three storylines: Luz. So the only way to describe the show is "A story of a teenage girl going into a fantasy story." What type of fantasy story? Who knows. The writers didn't seem to after all so why should we?
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I feel like with the Owl House, what happened was just too many people either pirating it or not watching on official sources, so it wasn't seen as that popular. And Dana Terrace just worked out a deal to at least finish by having those three specials. That being said, I wished they'd done something similar to, say, Spider-Man, where they at least gave it five specials to end its last season over just three. Yeah, it'd only be two more, but I think it would've helped tighten the ending.
It's also that the studio doesn't support these shows and it makes it harder for some of them to get new audiences. A lot of studios have been doing this lately, they hardly do any marketing and some ads either don't represent what the show/movie is (see Elemental) or make it look too weird/silly/doesn't get the tone. Not to mention merch, when's the last time ya saw any good merch lately? On T-shirts it's the logo or stock image of the characters if anything at all, no real toys or figurines, no posters or plushies. Most merch is made by 3rd party ppl or fans who have to worry about being sued because the company can't just make it themselves/buy it from them to use officially.
The execs then use "poor merch sales" along with viewer counts to can shows that have a fairly decent fanbase online. Not to mention how hard it is to watch some of these shows and how execs don't understand that ppl have different schedules and can't watch tv when the execs want them to be. Combine that with poor scheduling, if these studios don't like story driven shows because they think it's hard for kids to follow the story, then maybe air them more often and in order. I remember when Toonami was on weekdays, they aired DBZ eps in order and just reset after they got to the end, y not do that with DuckTales, or TOH, or Amphibia, or TGaMM, or any other show with a sense of continuity?
Still tho', it's a shitty thing for the TGaMM writers to be promised a S3 but then have the rug pulled because of new leaders
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Post-Series Finale HCs: The Owl House (Spoiler!)
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(From days to weeks) Right after;
—Raine spends time between recovering and pitching ideas to rebuild the Isles, reconnecting with Eda. They find out what music range the Owl Beast spirit cannot handle to avoid making their girlfriend (later wife) go deaf. Happiest they have been in years since the breakup.
—To limited degree, witches can use magic outside their coven sigil now. The sigils cannot completely block other magic-types only just restrict it. Biles sacks are pretty fragile though.
—Several cults/religions tried to start up once people learned King was a living Titan. Eda shut them down before they could get established—the Collector has a few cults too.
—Hooty helps Lilith practice her own Harpy form. Has to catch her several times as the other half of Owl Beast is less sentient(?) than Eda’s own curse. It grows to be a Raven. He finds being in his “Porta-Hooty” mode to be more fun since he can hang out with Lily.
—Alador spends time catching up with his kids. He likes to study how various beasts and animal species are adapting to the raised left arm. (If the Abomination track wasn’t expected of his family, he would have joined the Beast track.)
—Luz does, in fact, keep a portion of her Titan form’s power. Being in direct contact with such immense power has left its mark. She has fangs and magic will spark off her fingers whenever she holds Stringbean. Her shouts are loud!
—The decision to tear down the ruins of Belos’ castle is pretty unanimous. They find several thousands of snails hidden away, remains of the Grimwalkers, and old wild magic texts.
—So much rebuilding to be done. Not just buildings but the entire infrastructure of the Boiling Isles. People outside the main cast wonder what in the realm happened for everything to crazy during the Day of Unity.
—Hunter does some soul-searching in between joint custody of the Nocedas, Clawthornes, Parks, and Darius (plus Eber). There is a lot to unpack in his life after everything that went down. He ponders what being a Grimwwalker means, processes Flapjack’s passing, and what he is going to do going forward. The poor boy is traumatized to high heaven being raised under Belos/child soldier/clone of Caleb Clawthorne.
(Yes. I headcanon that Caleb took Evelyn’s last name or they refer to him by that after finding out what his brother did.)
—Eda jokes about Hunter technically being her and Lillith’s however-many-greats-grandfather.
—Wrath has to go through a redemption arc. Seriously! He sees how much Braxas missed him and begrudgingly accepts that the coven system was wrong. It takes a few years though.
—The Collector does not go straight back to the siblings who left him alone. This idea is argued for by the main cast who want them to spend time being a kid. King begs him to stay.
(I do not know how to write pronouns for a person who has He/him and They/them).
—On a side note, everyone who was ever mean to King is now genuinely terrified of him. :)
—People wonder why the Titan’s left arm is stretched out toward the sky. Even Luz does...
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Four Years Later;
—The concept of carving a palistrum egg has boomed in popularity. Stringbean inspired many people to respect Palismen as individuals.
—Cultural trade between the Boiling Isles and Earth is still tentative. Unfortunately, Andrias’ invasion made humans wary of other realms. (We know ToH and Amphibia share a universe due to easter eggs. Might as well capitalize~)
—Gus secretly eats movie DVDs. He knows that they are supposed to be watched but they taste good. He will eat some on his lunch breaks.
—A president/representative has been put in charge of the Boiling Isles. Democracy is still new so there are a few kinks to work out. Each town has a few spokespeople for them to really give everyone a voice in how things are run.
—Luz, Amity, Willow, Gus, Hunter, Eda, King, Lillith, Raine, and the others are still the main celebrities on the island. Their popularity has finally died down from fan-worship levels much to their relief (Raine, Hunter, & King mainly).
—King keeps discovering glyph types outside his parent/father’s elemental ones. The combo testing can get a little crazy since this is his new magic language! He is really excited to learn it.
—Funnily enough, future students of Eda’s have visited using the time pools. They never say anything too revealing about the future but the subtle picture they paint is chaotic.
—The Basilisks help the Unversity of Wild Magic keep from burning down/freezing/exploding/imploding/getting damaged by wild studies.
—Willow acts as a motivational speaker for young witches and demons in the Flyer Derby off-season. The still-new freedom of magic can be overwhelming in sheer choices to the kids.
—Camila can only handle a certain amount of the Boiling Isles’ otherness. She loves that her first kid found such an accepting second home, really she does! But it is still a lot to take in...
—The Collector took care of the Titantrappers years ago. Only the youngest members are more open to interacting with King.
—Eda still finds it ironic she became a teacher.
—Amity spends her days exploring the world, though she is always a call away from Luz and her friends. She did not expect to fall in love with exploring different Titan-civilizations.
—Viney has interned under Camila to learn about Earth animals. The difference in biology between the two realms plays a part in how she judges treating pets at her mythical pet clinic. Some species react adversely to magic being used on them which she learns cause of it.
—Hunter gives each past Golden Guard a name based on what little he could find about their personalities. He still sees their ghosts but in a “guardian angel” way. Is for sure dating Willow.
...It. It took a while for him to carve Waffles.
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stars-and-birds · 6 months
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a specific color that gives you the ick?
mythical creature you think/believe is real?
favorite form of potato?
do you use a watch?
what animal do you look forward to seeing when you visit an aquarium?
do you change into specific clothes for the house when you get home?
do you have a skincare routine (and how many steps is it)?
anything from your childhood you’ve held on to?
first thing you’re doing in the purge?
thoughts on mint chocolate chip?
an anxious compulsion you do everyday?
your boba/tea order?
do you wear jewelry?
would you say you have good taste in music?
how’s your spice tolerance?
what’s your favorite or go-to outfit?
preferred pasta noodle?
ask me anything ! : Favorite toh, amphibia, and gravity falls character?
alr let’s go
garbage green
nessie if i had to pick one
friessss
i used to have an apple watch but i don’t wear it anymore because my school doesn’t let me
seals!!
no lol, too lazy
kinda? only when i break out really, and it’s like three steps. but i wash my face every night if that counts
everything
robbing the nearest bookstore
MY ONE TRUE LOVE!! MINT CHOCOLATE CHIP MY BELOVED
msut shake leg…. and worry. lots of that
plain old milk tea i’m boring like that
yea, earrings most days and a ring on each finger. also a chain around my neck with another ring that doesn’t fit on any one my fingers
*i* have good taste it’s everyone else that’s weird
mid. i pretend to handle more than i can heh. like takis, for example. i’ll eat a whole bag and be like haha im fine and then Die
anything + baggy jeans really
rigatoni
good question!
hunter or luz (fuck u for making me choose tho!!!!) it used to be marcy but i love sash too dipper he’s just like me fr fr
thanks for the ask!!
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crazycartoonnerd123 · 11 months
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I watched the first 7 episodes of this show and I have both good and bad thoughts that I would like to share.
NOTE: While I will be discussing other shows in this analysis, this is not a comparison. The show hasn't had enough development to be compared to shows like TOH, Amphibia or even Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur.
The Pros:
The Story overall has a really great setup. It was able to clearly establish the conflict(s) of the show, and the plot has a clear direction.
The show has enjoyable characters. I already love Hailey so much and I also love Scott. And Beta slays so hard.
The animation is pretty good and I absolutely love the character designs.
IT HAS SO MUCH POTENTIAL. It has an overall great plot setup that could lead to a great overarching plot, and I'm pretty sure that is the intention.
The voice acting is really great especially from Hailey's VA who is slaying with her character.
The Cons:
I cannot express how much I HATE that part of the main conflict is that she has to kiss her best friend and that there’s a love triangle. This is mainly a preference thing because I don't like it when romance is deeply involved in shows, and it's literally a major plot point and I hate it. But again this is just a preference thing.
Other than Hailey and Kristene, none of the characters have really had any character development and their development has been very subtle and minimal. Granted, we're only 7 episodes in but I feel like there should be more. EDIT: I was just informed that we're actually only 6 episodes in to like a 30 episode season which means we're only 1/5th ways through the 1st season, so the lack of development makes complete sense.
I feel like there should be a little more development with the plot by now and lore should be revealed.
This has nothing to do with the show itself but every time I hear the phrase just a friend I think of miraculous and it gives me war flashbacks because every time I watch that show I'm in destress about how bad the writing is but the writing is pretty strong in Haileys on it so i think I'll be fine.
Overall, it's a pretty solid show. I didn’t get the same feeling off of this show as I did with Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, but I think it's because MGADD has more of the elements I like compared to this. But also I feel like I'm gonn be surprised by this show. I don't think it'll get as dark as Amphibia and TOH did, but that's fine because the vibe is so much different.
Rating: 7/10
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martymarket · 2 years
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I kind of don't understand the desire to have Lumity to break up in TOH? While having a range of emotions expressed in a queer relationship is nice, having a break up occur in such a show would be really demoralizing and sort of defeat the purpose of the relationship?
The support that Luz and Amity give to each other shows the growth they have as people. They learn to open up to each other and work through the trials and tribulations of a young relationship. I think having them have a genuine argument could benefit them and their growth, but wanting them to separate entirely doesn't really make much sense. You only get a relationship such as that once in a lifetime, and I don't even mean romantically. The trauma the two faced together, the horrors they witnessed, the social standards they fought and pushed through to be together as people is something you don't simply give up or let fade.
The story of TOH is about finding your place and your people. Finding a community that accepts and loves you for you. Compared to a show like Amphibia, which is about responsibility and growing into one's self so you can accept your path, TOH leans much more on Luz seeking others like her. An accepting community. She starts the show knowing who she is and what she wants, and the Boiling Isles tests her on that inner strength she carries. But having Amity there at her side gives her a new form of strength. The two are compatible and lift each other up.
Imaging myself as a young 13 year old who would watch this show, only to see the two characters break up despite all that they went through together would be heart breaking. To an older audience it can be a sign that people part, but to young queer kids it could provide a message that nothing good stays. That mentality just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Basically, to be whiny, Lumity Break Up stupid dumb why ruin perfectly good representation/lh/s
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