#Idk if it's a translation thing

[add1ctedt0you]

"He hadn't even been to Jiang Fengmian's liking"

"Since birth, he taught him in many ways, yet he still couldn't change, which was why Jiang Fengmian had always seemed as though he didn't favor him too much"

jiang fengmian' parenting book, chapter 1: if you don't like your son, ignore him! Nothing bad is going to happen!

#Idk if it's a translation thing #But. jfm seems such a dick #He should have filled the paper and try to get another kid exchanging jc. Oh wait. Isn't what he kinda did in canon? #mar reading mdzs #jfm with baby jc between his arms: can we take this back inside you? I don't like him very much #Still thinking about that post were wad stated that jfm's parenting is the best parenting in the novel

[spitblaze]

>looking into the official English release of Japanese media

>fandom says the translation is horrible

>ask them if the translation is actually bad or if it was just localized

>they don't understand

>pull out illustrated diagram showing what is a bad translation and what is localization

>they laugh and say 'it's a bad translation'

>check it out anyway

>it's localized

#spitblaze says things #idk why im mad about this still lmao #WEIRD assumptions that a 1:1 literal translation would be better than a translation that people with a different language and culture will #yknow. understand #doin numbers

[spaceistheplaceart]

mob tells reigen to shut up accidentally... two!!!

abbreviated ID: An mp100 comic. Teru tells Mob "shut up" can be a reply to something funny. and mob later tells reigen to shut up after he tells a joke, shocking reigen. Full ID under cut

[ID: A black and white Mob Psycho 100 comic. Mob smiles and says something marked as “[funny comment]” and Teru laughs hard, clapping Mob on the shoulder and exclaiming, “Oh, shut up, Kageyama!” Mob sweats and says, “Oh, sorry.” Teru, frowning, asks, “Huh? Why?”

Mob says, “You told me to shut up?” and Teru holds up his hands, looking apologetic. He exclaims, “Oh! No, no, no! That means I thought it was funny!” He flusters, smiling weakly and trying to explain. “When someone tells you to shut up and they’re laughing it means it was funny! Like uh... uh... Okay I can’t explain it but you know what I mean.”

Mob looks away and says, “Not really...” He smiles at Teru. “But I'm glad you thought it was funny.” Teru rubs the back of his head and says, “Ahaa yeah! I did!”

The view cuts to Spirits and Such, where Mob is writing at his desk and Reigen is scowling behind his. Arms crossed, Reigen says a “[snide but funny remark]”. Mob gives a “hehe” and smiles, “Good one, master.” The background turns dark gray as the view zooms in on Mob and he, still smiling with big eyes, says, “Shut up!”

Reigen’s mouth parts as his expression goes to blank shock. The background behind him is stark black. End ID]

#mp100 #mob psycho 100 #comic #op art #dw he explained it to reigen afterwards and then never used it again #tbh i dont get thr shut up thing either even tho i. use it constantly #also telling my friends i hate them when they say smthn funny #idk how rhat translates lmao but it does

[cnl0400]

Character references for the undateables

I love all the little details!!

Sharing these because knowledge should be #free and #available to #everyone

#obey me #obey me nightbringer #obey me thirteen #obey me raphael #obey me mephistopheles #I admit that I didn't notice that raphael was wearing a crown thing 🥲🥲 I feel like a fake fan #love Thirteen Skirt-Short... soo cool #also the tattoo reference... so cool I love her tattooo #I have shaky hands... sorry... aah 🥲🥲 #anyways I was going to upload these yesterday but I have been busy lately 🥲🥲 #i have the unedited photos if anyone wants them idk... or anything else from the artbooks. you can ask #I have all pf them and they never provided a sneak peak so you could made your mind... a shame tbh #also a shame they didn't translate the notes... smiling mephi is his honest reaction to seeing his younger brother :'')) #post0400

[ozzyeelz]

hey I'm normal haha. um. what if u draw some more heavy and medic cuddling haha that would be crazy hahaha.........

HAHA THAT WOULD BE CRAZY….. *hands you these then runs away*

#also sorry if the Russian is incorrect!!! I used google translate because idk where else to get transactions😭😭 #also if tumblr marks this as mature I’m going to go insane #tf2 #art #team fortress 2 #digital art #my art #ozias draws a thing #my artwork #fanart #character drawing #medic tf2 #tf2 medic #team fortress medic #heavy tf2 #tf2 heavy #team fortress heavy #heavy weapons guy #heavymedic #medicheavy #heavy x medic #red octoberfest #red oktoberfest #medic x heavy #Ozzy gets an ask #tf2 fanart #also also #I’m recovering from art block so I’m sorry for any inconsistencies!!

[noxcheshire]

I kept thinking of little baby man Phantom and the potential of Danny being an actual baby of the Infinite Realms. However, he’s more snake teenager than itty bitty Little Baby Man edition, cause I think it’d be so funny to just — imagine this teenage snake curled up in a summoning circle, obviously having been taking a nap and looking up with his big green, sleepy eyes and Constantine just stares and freaks because, “THATS A WHOLE ASS BABY, PUT IT BACK!”

But they can’t because apparently the summoning was more of a ‘knock knock I’m a babysitter’ and Danny’s ghost parent decided that this was the perfect time to have some time for themselves if Heroes were so willing to take care of Danny for a little while.

Another take — mainly in reference to a different post about Klarion actually just being a toddler of the infinite realms with no ideas on how to human and thinks him fighting with heroes is just a play date — zooms into the human realm where the heroes are and just goes, “Hey I’m dropping my baby sibling onto you guys cause my dad got mad last time Danny got hurt by the humans I hang with. So here you go, I’ll pick him up later.”

A teenage snake Danny is dropped into a hero’s arms where he mainly grumbles and then shifts to better take a nap. Klarion drops the baby essentials at them with no further explanations other then “here’s their favorite blanket, if they get fussy taco them; here’s the baby milk make sure it’s -200 F, they have an ice core, etc.” and then just DISAPPEARS after leaving what amounts to a month old infant in human heroes care.

#dpxdc #dp x dc #dc x dp #dcxdp #danny phantom #dp x dc crossover #danny fenton #dp x dc prompt #Klarion: so here’s a baby for you to babysit :) #heroes: YOU CANT JUST LEAVE A BABY #Constantine: I’m not going to DIE BECAUSE SOMEONE TRANSLATED A CHILDS PLAYPEN INTO SOME LITTLE PRISON #Constantine: you fools this baby will make and break us #Danny who does the cat tongue thing and sleeps #Danny is a baby but for the comedic effect he still looks like a teenager but no legs and all snake #idk who dad is but they sure as hell are gonna be big as fuck #Klarion is Danny’s brother either way #Klarion is 6 years old #is the baby powder just pure kryptonite? #maybe #all supers are weak against Infinite Realm baby milk #yes it’s going to be funny if a super tries to get the baby powder and immediately drops #Danny will fuss if he isn’t held immediately #he will also fuss if he isn’t fed on time and will make it everyone else’s problem #dying wail is still a thing and the heroes are absolutely floored when it first happens #heroes: THE BABY IS DYING?! #Danny: GIVE ME MILK! >:(

[alicenpai]

DUNGEON MESHI MY BELOVED, OH, THAT DND MANGA, DELICIOUS IN DUNGEON, DUNGEON IN DELICIOUS, DELICIOUS IS DRAGON, DRAGON IN DELICIOUS, DYIN' IN DUNGEON, these sticker sheets are here in my shop until oct 17! shop will reopen next spring/summer

#dungeon meshi #laios #marcille #laius #chilchuk #kabru #farlyn #izutsumi #senshi #marcille donato #laios touden #chilchuck tims #senshi of izganda #falin touden #sissel #thistle #idk which names are more popular in the fandom - the official eng translations or the fan spellings everyone's been using before that #and idk if tumblr still does the 'only first 5 tags show up' thing or that was just a rumour from my youth WAHAHAHA.... #my art #my favourite sticker is the one with the dungeon rabbit and it just says murder #the colours turned out so nice and my shitty photo honestly doesnt do it justice #double posting today bc why not #i like how tumblr doesnt have an algorithm. i can post as much or as little as i want and people are so nice and patient here #meanwhile on insta i feel like the climate is unforgiving. like if i post. ppl are reminded of my existence and then 5 ppl unfollow HAHA

[bakudekublogblog]

good morning katsuki canonically wants to spend the rest of his life with izuku have a nice day!!!

#bakudeku #bkdk #mha spoilers #bnha spoilers #OFFICIAL TRANSLATIONS COOKED #AHHHHHHHH FOR THE REST OF OUR LIVES OK PROPOSAL MUCH #HES JUST LIKE WHAT IF WE COULD BE MARRIED IDK #I JUST PICTURED US MARRIED #I JUST THOUGHT THIS WAS A FOR LIFE THING I JUST AM MOURNING A LIFE I WANTED TO LIVE WIRH YOU #DEAR GOD HORI WANTS ME DEAD IN A DITCH

[yardsards]

the english dub translation does toshiro A LOT of favours with this line, as opposed to the manga translation that i read

the dub translation makes him sound (to me) like he was willing to let "asebi" escape and have her freedom if she wanted to, whereas the manga translation made him sound (to me) like he was willing to leave her alone to die as punishment for running away

(but also me having more knowledge of the series by the time the anime came out vs when i read the manga for the first time probably influenced how i interpreted those word choices)

the dub translation characterization kind of fits well with this bit from the adventurer's bible

like portraying toshiro not as a cold heartless person who is totally okay with the fact that his father basically owned child slaves, but as someone who knew something was wrong there but was too meek to actually do anything about the situation

#eliot posts #dungeon meshi #delicious in dungeon #dm anime spoilers #toshiro nakamoto #asebi #inutade #that translation difference made me dislike him A LOT LESS #i still don't like that he was too much of a coward to actually stand up against the whole ''buying human children'' thing #but at the same time idk if his father or maizuru would have even listened if he did #and at least he let asebi have that chance to escape

[royalarchivist]

Mine: Refer to me however you want!

Mike: Yeah, for me too. I think I use all pronouns too.

[They high-five and fist-bump each other]

Mine:

[via @barbmine]

#Mine #Barbmine #Mikethelink #Mike #I LOVE THEMMMMMMMMMMM THEY'RE SO FUNNY #Mine funniest person alive fr #also YOOOO LETS GO?????? #I didn't know Mike was ok with any pronouns #and Mine too??? that's awesome! #Also for those who don't know: Mine is Mike's wife! #They're both bi #They're so cool I wanna have a silly sweet partnership like this someday *clenches fist and stares off into the sunset* #As per usual: not a native Portuguese speaker so can't translate the full thing #please feel free to hop in with translations and/or corrections! #Though I'm pretty confident about these. Wouldn't post it if I wasn't #I'll be real idk how to translate viado LMAO #It's like. Not what google translate will tell you it means #idk imo I think ''homo'' sounds right but ONCE AGAIN: I'm not a Portuguese speaker #Poor Mine I laughed when she first posted this image ages ago and I replied to her saying it gave me a good laugh and she was like #''WAIT I PROMISE IT DOESN'T MEAN WHAT GOOGLE TRANSLATE SAYS IT MEANS'' #it's all good Mine I'm bi too I am not phased lmao #I don't personally use that word but I do not care when other queer folks use it

[i-watch-the-beees]

happy early valentine’s day!!! here is a drawing i did for the vday exchange for @tinkerbclla inspired by their fic “roommate wanted.” this fic made me literally yell at my phone i love it so much

#steddie #stranger things fanart #stranger things #steddie fanart #steddievday #steve harrington #eddie munson #my art #tbh idk how to draw flour so i hope this translates #the slow burn was EVERYTHING

[the-meme-monarch]

happy birthday to my friends and i’s knight chara and strange someone frisk aus/theories :]

hi for undertale reasons i don’t like any combination of shipping chara frisk and asriel. if you ship them go away 👍

#strange someone frisk #knight chara #the art gallery #deltarune #i remember seeing someoen say that gaster might be talking to the knight and the strange someone so i wanted to think abt that ! i don’t kn #THE entry 17 ‘dark darker yet darker this next experiment will be very very interesting what do you two think’ ONE. I ERASED THE TRA #I ERASED THE TRANSLATION SOMEHWERE ALONG THE WAY BUT YEAH HES SAYING ‘what do you two think’ IN THAT ONE #I don’t know if I’ll keep up w that but I’m picturing it like. chara is doing this for extra credit JSNSNJSNSJS yeah sure I’ll help you wi #with your experiment. can you write me a letter of recommendation. #frisk may be doing this for Let’s See If I Can Get Back To Undertale reasons #is this undertale or deltarune gaster. idk. idk if there’s even a separate version Of him considering the split across time and space thing

[lurkingteapot]

Every now and then I think about how subtitles (or dubs), and thus translation choices, shape our perception of the media we consume. It's so interesting. I'd wager anyone who speaks two (or more) languages knows the feeling of "yeah, that's what it literally translates to, but that's not what it means" or has answered a question like "how do you say _____ in (language)?" with "you don't, it's just … not a thing, we don't say that."

I've had my fair share of "[SHIP] are [married/soulmates/fated/FANCY TERM], it's text!" "[CHARACTER A] calls [CHARACTER B] [ENDEARMENT/NICKNAME], it's text!" and every time. Every time I'm just like. Do they though. Is it though. And a lot of the time, this means seeking out alternative translations, or translation meta from fluent or native speakers, or sometimes from language learners of the language the piece of media is originally in.

Why does it matter? Maybe it doesn't. To lots of people, it doesn't. People have different interests and priorities in fiction and the way they interact with it. It's great. It matters to me because back in the early 2000s, I had dial-up internet. Video or audio media that wasn't available through my local library very much wasn't available, but fanfiction was. So I started to read English language Gundam Wing fanfic before I ever had a chance to watch the show. When I did get around to watching Gundam Wing, it was the original Japanese dub. Some of the characters were almost unrecognisable to me, and first I doubted my Japanese language ability, then, after checking some bits with friends, I wondered why even my favourite writers, writers I knew to be consistent in other things, had made these characters seem so different … until I had the chance to watch the US-English dub a few years later. Going by that adaptation, the characterisation from all those stories suddenly made a lot more sense. And the thing is, that interpretation is also valid! They just took it a direction that was a larger leap for me to make.

Loose adaptations and very free translations have become less frequent since, or maybe my taste just hasn't led me their way, but the issue at the core is still a thing: Supernatural fandom got different nuances of endings for their show depending on the language they watched it in. CQL and MDZS fandom and the never-ending discussions about 知己 vs soulmate vs Other Options. A subset of VLD fans looking at a specific clip in all the different languages to see what was being said/implied in which dub, and how different translators interpreted the same English original line. The list is pretty much endless.

And that's … idk if it's fine, but it's what happens! A lot of the time, concepts -- expressed in language -- don't translate 1:1. The larger the cultural gap, the larger the gaps between the way concepts are expressed or understood also tend to be. Other times, there is a literal translation that works but isn't very idiomatic because there's a register mismatch or worse. And that's even before cultural assumptions come in. It's normal to have those. It's also important to remember that things like "thanks I hate it" as a sentiment of praise/affection, while the words translate literally quite easily, emphatically isn't easy to translate in the sense anglophone internet users the phrase.

Every translation is, at some level, a transformative work. Sometimes expressions or concepts or even single words simply don't have an exact equivalent in the target language and need to be interpreted at the translator's discretion, especially when going from a high-context/listener-responsible source language to a low-context/speaker-responsible target language (where high-context/listener responsible roughly means a large amount of contextual information can be omitted by the speaker because it's the listener's responsibility to infer it and ask for clarification if needed, and low-context/speaker-responsible roughly means a lot of information needs to be codified in speech, i.e. the speaker is responsible for providing sufficiently explicit context and will be blamed if it's lacking).

Is this a mouse or a rat? Guess based on context clues! High-context languages can and frequently do omit entire parts of speech that lower-context/speaker-responsible languages like English regard as essential, such as the grammatical subject of a sentence: the equivalent of "Go?" - "Go." does largely the same amount of heavy lifting as "is he/she/it/are you/they/we going?" - "yes, I am/he/she/it is/we/you/they are" in several listener-responsible languages, but tends to seem clumsy or incomplete in more speaker-responsible ones. This does NOT mean the listener-responsible language is clumsy. It's arguably more efficient! And reversely, saying "Are you going?" - "I am (going)" might seem unnecessarily convoluted and clumsy in a listener-responsible language. All depending on context.

This gets tricky both when the ambiguity of the missing subject of the sentence is clearly important (is speaker A asking "are you going" or "is she going"? wait until next chapter and find out!) AND when it's important that the translator assign an explicit subject in order for the sentence to make sense in the target language. For our example, depending on context, something like "are we all going?" - "yes" or "they going, too?" might work. Context!

As a consequence of this, sometimes, translation adds things – we gain things in translation, so to speak. Sometimes, it's because the target language needs the extra information (like the subject in the examples above), sometimes it's because the target language actually differentiates between mouse and rat even though the source language doesn't. However, because in most cases translators don't have access to the original authors, or even the original authors' agencies to ask for clarification (and in most cases wouldn't get paid for the time to put in this extra work even if they did), this kind of addition is almost always an interpretation. Sometimes made with a lot of certainty, sometimes it's more of a "fuck it, I've got to put something and hope it doesn't get proven wrong next episode/chapter/ten seasons down" (especially fun when you're working on a series that's in progress).

For the vast majority of cases, several translations are valid. Some may be more far-fetched than others, and there'll always be subjectivity to whether something was translated effectively, what "effectively" even means …

ANYWAY. I think my point is … how interesting, how cool is it that engaging with media in multiple languages will always yield multiple, often equally valid but just sliiiiightly different versions of that piece of media? And that I'd love more conversations about how, the second we (as folks who don't speak the material's original language) start picking the subtitle or dub wording apart for meta, we're basically working from a secondary source, and if we're doing due diligence, to which extent do we need to check there's nothing substantial being (literally) lost -- or added! -- in translation?

#translation #linguistics (sorta) #I love language so much #long post #subtitling #dubbing #transformative work #if you read all the way to the end - THANK YOU I am so impressed #localisation #this is not an academic essay but I still feel bad for not citing sources #low vs high context cultures and languages are concepts from intercultural communication studies #but idk how up to date that is or whether folks even still actually use them #I know they oversimplify things #but it helped me say what I was trying to here so shrug #languages #language soup #meta #language meta #fandom meta of sorts #thanks for the help sorting this out kayla <3 #my nonsense

[ganondoodle]

so im not sure if anyones interested, but, i went through quite a bunch of totk critiques by people who were also very disappointed with it and thought id share my favorite videos i found (granted, i only really wachted those that youtube recommened and its mostly .. white men... things like the orientalism problem are not mentioned at all for example, maybe ill update this post if i find any more diverse voices)

i dont agree with every single point and also dont know most of the channels (aside from the big zelda theory guys) so i judged solely by what they mentioned in those videos and the quality of it (like the audio .. bc i cant listen to bad audio)

in no particular order, also they talk about or use footage of the literal ending stuff so if you arent done with the game yet, better leave these for now

(the following one is a podcast thing by multiple zelda theory guys, there some stuff you can skip at the start thats just kidna random things, but the video is marked with chapters)

(theres some mention of some things not making sense, like the sonau only being two, and ithink thats kinda bc the english translation was weirdly vague about that, in the german version its much more directly said that they all died out and only rauru and mineru were left of them;

also mentions of how unfitting it is to call the enigma stones "secret"stones in english might come from a similar thing; in german they where called "Mysterienstein" which would be translated as mystic/mysterious/enigma- stone

just wanted to mention that since the vast majority are gonna play it in english only and the stuff online is also dominated by english)

#ganondoodles talks #zelda #totk #ganondoodles rants #not really #but it kinda fits in the theme #some things are a lil too complainy for complainings sake #but overall those are the ones i felt spoke about alot of the broader problems #Youtube #also i dont ... like the english translations of these games #and im not a fan of the english voice acting either tbh #idk whats with zelda in particular #and i dont want to shit on translators #but man #some weird translation choices have done active damage in the whoe lore department #plus its jsut kinda .. weird and unecessary at times #why call it gloom?? miasma sound way more connected to malice and actually menacing #secret stones??? why?? mystic or engima is right there plus its confusing bc they .. are not secret at all?? #makes stuff complicated too bc im using the words i know but in english almost every name is totally different #why not ... keep the names of the og japanese?? #i know german is guilty of changing stuff too #but my point stands

[pouletpourri]

bird things make a return

#translation of the first pic: #white: how are those bones coming along? #black: shut up #its too late to stop now they've taken over #spy vs spy #fanart #my art #white spy #black spy #the second one was actually an attempt to emulate prohias's style #which is a thing i've been doing for the past months idk why but here i am

[solacium]

presence // aventurine

he'll never outrightly ask you what it is, not at the outset.

he might find you curled on the couch, quiet, trying to breathe out the something in your chest that writhes and constricts, or in tears, but he won't ask, only sit quietly with you, lean against you, the weight of him enough to reassure you of his presence. maybe you reach for him, curl into the hollow of his body, and he'll let you, hold you until the tears stop, or you can feel your hands again, or you fall asleep, to the steady rhythm of his heart.

you'll wake, or look at him, and he'll speak, then, maybe look back at you with those iridescent eyes that you love, as he asks, softly, if you're feeling better, if you want to talk about it.

he'll keep you company, either way, listening. there is a steadiness in the weight of his arms around you, in the even beat of his heart against your back. you'll have to move, eventually, one of your legs falling asleep under you, and you'll both laugh, and shift. he gently disentangles himself from you, to get you something to drink. you settle back down, curled around each other, talk quietly until the sunlight changes.

#here's more of my ven i guess #tiny one this time i'm working on another thing but the muse is steadfastly ignoring me #but he will give me this i guess #i actually really love reverse comfort but here is some not reverse comfort #bc jfc the other day i had to translate something that yeeted me straight out of my body into depersonalisation #and i had to sleep that shit off #so to make my brain wind down i wrote this #idk how ic it is but uh #come get your aventurine cuddles i guess #honkai star rail #hsr #aventurine #aventurine hsr #aventurine honkai star rail #x reader #reader insert #aventurine x reader #aventurine x you #solacium.scriv