#good omens rpf

[ingravinoveritas]

If at this point you still think Michael and David would somehow be uncomfortable with people shipping them after they've just created their own actual couple-themed Christmas card, I don't even know what to tell you...

#michael sheen #welsh seduction machine #david tennant #soft scottish hipster gigolo #never beating the allegations #i mean what can i possibly say #i'm sorry but if this was a man and a woman there is no earthly way their relationship would be described as 'platonic' #also you don't typically call someone your lover if you don't want people to think that person is your lover #and you don't take couple-themed Christmas photos with them either #truth disguised as a joke #at this point the subtext might as well be a billboard #ineffable lovers #good omens rpf #discourse

[brainwormcity]

I am literally in tears. I have spent my entire time as a fanfic reader/writer feeling this shame like I was somehow doing something inherently dirty or wrong and this is so beautiful and open-hearted. The recognition of it as an act of love founded in deep admiration for the individuals in the pair? It's so incredibly rare. It's beyond refreshing after years of actors, musicians, and creators telling their fandoms how disgusting they found their creations.

Personally, fanfic was so important for me as a queer, closeted trans boy. It was one of my first opportunities to look at the world through the eyes of a man who loved other men. Not to mention that it was some of the only queer representation I had access to that wasn't mocking, sexualized, or worse. And damned if it isn't some of the most beautiful writing I've ever read. Imagine two characters (or more) falling in love thousands of times in thousands of ways.

I just... I feel so validated. I love this man so goddamn much. I have a chapter of fanfic to finish tonight, and now I'll be writing it with a smile on my face.

#good omens #crowley #ineffable husbands #aziracrow #good omens 2 #good omens crowley #aziraphale #aziraphale x crowley #crowley good omens #michael sheen #fanfic #fanfiction #ao3 fanfic #archive of our own #good omens fanfiction #good omens rpf #gomens #good omens fandom

[martinsharmony]

In defense of RP Shipping and RP Fiction

I don’t normally come out and give my opinion on things like this so plainly about such controversial things. I tend to shy away from confrontational writing such as this. However this idea has been brewing in my mind for some time now so I had to write it.

I am a Real Person Shipper.

I’m seeing people talk a lot more about RP shipping (and the hate towards it) since David Tennant and Michael Sheen appeared smiling at each other in a photo after David's appearance in Macbeth.

RP Shipping is not a choice.

When I caught the shipping bug, it hit me like lightning. It occurred to me one night as I lay in bed next to the husband with which I had a deteriorating relationship: “are there stories about Dave Gahan and Martin Gore…being together??”

Dave Gahan/Martin Gore (Gahore) are in Depeche Mode. They were my 1st ship as an adult. You can read about it here. Obviously Depeche Mode is a band so there is no fictional narrative anywhere to follow. I quickly learned that RP shipping was taboo. However in my shipping community we all shipped the band so I was more or less insulated from it.

I dove in headfirst. I literally couldn’t not do it. It was something my brain needed. Sure I could have forced myself to not go look for it because of some kind of moral (?) imperative which I wasn’t even aware of at the time, but even if I stopped myself, that would not stop my brain from wanting it. Making up stories and scenarios. Finding evidence in videos, songs, interviews, etc. I shipped these two people because of what I had observed between them.

I saw love. So did my shipping friends. We all saw it. I needed to experience it. My life lacked it.

My next RP ship was Martin Freeman and Benedict Cumberbatch (FreeBatch). First I fell in love with Sherlock and John, obviously. But then as I started to follow the fandom, I started noticing the same things that others noticed. My brain just went there. I literally had no choice. It’s not as if I could tell my brain “don’t do that”. It would not listen. You can’t tell a starving person to not think about food. In fact telling them that probably makes it worse.

In my personal life, I had been through a breakup with the man I dated after I got divorced, and then I began dating a woman for the 1st time. I really started to relate what I was seeing on the screen and reading on Tumblr and in fic to my own life. I was starting to process my own bisexuality. I started to notice things about Martin and Ben that other people were noticing too. Shipping them helped me navigate that time in my life because I saw myself in it. I related to it. But it wasn't a choice. My brain just went there. Maybe I was Baader-Meinhoffing but even if I was, that doesn’t mean it’s something I didn’t need to explore, work out in my mind, and discover.

Shennant (Michael Sheen and David Tennant) is my 3rd RP ship. Yes I fell in love with Aziraphale and Crowley of course, but again, as I started to follow the fandom and David’s and Michael’s careers specifically, watching interviews, watching Staged, etc, I started noticing the same thing that many others noticed. I literally couldn’t help it. My brain, again, just went there. Also in Staged of course, they play themselves. I have to say that my RP Shipping really took off after I watched them in that. They play themselves. Their actual partners are in it. If one were to write Staged fic, is that not RPF? Where is the line between what is supposed to be okay and what is not?

Again, with this ship, I had big things going on in my personal life. Dad passed away almost a year and a half ago, and now I'm taking care of my elderly mom long distance. It's a huge emotional burden. I'm not dating anyone right now mostly because of that but also because I was in a poly relationship with the male half of a het married couple (longtime friends of mine) that ended extraordinarily painfully (so this was V or chain-style poly not group-sex poly). Since then I've been alone for more than 2 years. I'm still getting over it.

The love I see between Michael and David feels unconditional. I see adoration. If they are indeed in a healthy poly relationship, my god, how on earth did they do that? Even while navigating fame? It’s certainly a lot more difficult than my own situation. I can explore it: What kind of person feels safe to me the way I believe David feels safe with Michael? What kind of relationship can withstand the kind of obstacles they (and I) might face? What would have had to actually happened for them to be as happy as they seem to be? What discussions were had? What agreements were reached? How does one do this the right way? What does that tell me about my own relationship and what went wrong? What should have happened?

This is, in its most academic sense, a tool for my brain to heal and to discover what kind of a relationship I want. And my brain knows it. That’s why it ships. My heart doesn’t know that. It just knows I love seeing them happy together. This is the magnet that drew me.

RP Shipping helps us to work shit out in our personal lives.

I bought Spark edited by Atlin Merrick recently. One of the essays by Angela Nauss, LMFT (Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist) really stood out to me is titled Sympathy for the Devil: Attachment Theory and FanFiction.

The article is about fanfiction authors, however I would extrapolate this to include readers and RP Shippers as well. RP Shippers are authors of narratives in their own mind, even if they are not always written down.

From the book:

“Fanfiction authors process attachment wounds using fictional characters as proxies…to process and understand the origin of the problems encountered during adolescence.”

“Some authors write fanfiction to humanize uncomfortable aspects of their identity, grieve and repair damaged relationships, and process attachment wounds…by exploring how the character would behave in adaptive relationships.”

“Fanfiction authors project their unconscious trauma onto the characters.”

“The characters gain insight into their behavior and no longer feel responsible for their childhood attachment wounds. Through their writing, the author incorporates repressed trauma and attachment wounds into their conscious experience and achieves catharsis.”

“Writing fanfiction is a valid form of therapeutic self-exploration.”

I’ve been in therapy for several years, In fact the poly relationship I was in is why I seeked out therapy in the 1st place. I know that shipping these people, exploring aspects of that, is helping me to heal attachment wounds and the trauma caused by past relationships.

As part of my healing from this poly relationship I was in, I intend to write a meta and/or a fic about David and Michael. I know it will aid in my healing. I may or may not post it.

Also, even Shakespeare wrote RPF.

I’m seeing people say that we RP Shippers are terrible, immoral, disgusting, gross people and that we want David and Michael to leave their partners. That we want to break up their families. Let me be clear that I want nothing of the sort.

There are people out there that want to "protect" them from this “immorality” by shaming us, berating us, calling us names. Even sending certain blogs directly to Georgia and Anna! This is the exact opposite of what actions like this are actually doing. This does not protect them from harm. It creates it.

There is no such thing as thought crime.

Not only is it impossible for me to choose not to ship these people, but I also get the sense that even thinking about it is supposed to be wrong. That it makes me an immoral person.

Something I keep seeing is that people are so upset that we RP Shippers are doing this. Like, why don’t we just, stop. Just look at all the other appropriate characters that are out there to ship! Or just never start in the first place. As if this was a choice we are making to consciously ship real people.

When shippers ship a couple, do they choose that couple consciously? Do they say, hmm, I'm going to ship X person and Y person because it's...logical? Or for whatever consciously thought of reason? I'm going to go out on a limb and speak for mostly all shippers and say no. Shippers ship because we see something in those 2 characters that we are drawn to like magnets, for whatever reason. Real People included. If you're on Tumblr for a fandom and read fic, you know what I'm talking about.

Male/Male relationships is a fetish, or a kink, for me. And by extension, RPS/RPF as well. I do enjoy thinking about what might be the "reality" behind the curtain that we are shown as part of their public personas. This is part of the ingredients to this fetish, or kink, for me.

Kink is defined by Wikipedia as “the use of non-conventional sexual practices, concepts or fantasies. The term derives from the idea of a “bend” (a “kink”) in one’s sexual behaviour, to contrast such behaviour with “straight” or “vanilla” sexual mores and proclivities. It is thus a colloquial term for non-normative sexual behaviour.”

A fetish is defined by Wikipedia as referring “to any sexually arousing stimuli, not all of which meet the medical criteria for fetishism. This broader usage of fetish covers parts or features of the body (including obesity and body modifications), objects, situations and activities (such as smoking or BDSM).”

Generally, modern sexual health thinking seems to say “So long as your fetish doesn’t get in the way of your own well-being, the safety of others, and your partners participate enthusiastically, there is nothing wrong with it.”

It seems to be another taboo to claim gay (or bi/pansexual) men as a fetish, or a kink. There are some who claim that it’s objectifying the very real experiences of gay men. I struggle with this because I can't deny that I enjoy it but I also don't want to hurt anyone.

I am not a gay man. I will never be a gay man. I am a cis bisexual woman. I can never know what that experience is like. This is, in essence, the core of the fantasy. It can feel as good and perfect and romantic and loving as I want it to be because I don’t have the parts or experience to know it first hand. Therefore I've come to the conclusion that my thoughts in my head and anything I write down in a safe space does not hurt anyone. For me personally, it’s a way to disconnect from myself. People enjoy fic for all sorts of reasons. I shouldn’t have to prove that my reasons are "wholesome" to be allowed to enjoy it.

I don’t enjoy reading het fiction for reasons I won’t go into, however they are probably not individual to just me alone. Hoards of women like me also enjoy the same thing.

So yeah. To the surprise of absolutely no one, thinking about Michael and David, or Martin and Ben, or Dave and Martin, or men in general, kissing or having sex or a romance with each other – turns me on. That leads me to state the following:

Anti-RP Shipping and Anti-RP Fiction is kink shaming.

When I say "Anti", I'm referring to those who loudly object to it. Not those who (thankfully) say "that's not for me" and move on. Just like I would with say, Omegaverse.

Because my interpretation of these real people is in reality, “fiction” in my own head, then by definition all RP Shipping is RP Fiction. It cannot be reality because I don’t know them. Therefore any stories, speculation, comments, analysis, conclusions, art, etc, IS ALL FICTION.

Real people are characters to your brain.

Obviously I don’t know them personally, so anything that I were to believe or create in my head about them is by definition, fiction. My brain makes it up according to what I’ve seen, read, heard, observed and drew conclusions from. This creates a fictional reality for my brain to consume. It can’t be reality because I don’t know them.

Wikipedia says RPF writers are “building a fictional universe based on the supposed real-life histories of their idols. Information from interviews, documentaries, music videos, and other publicity sources are assimilated into the stories. It is also very popular to write fiction about celebrity couples. Communities of writers build collective archetypes based on the celebrities' public personas".

I would never, under any circumstances, present any RPS/RPF questions, stories, insinuations, or even mention it at all directly to the actors/musicians/personalities or their partners or even anyone associated with them. I would be beyond embarrassed to do so. Even though Michael himself seems to be accepting of it, I would never present it to him. Never. (I mean it’s not like I could really anyway but still).

I believe that 99.9% of RP Shippers would do the same. It’s the .01% that have done so (and unscrupulous “journalists” looking to shock by asking questions/showing them the RPF, and those people claiming to prevent harm by sending it directly to them “for legal action” or tattletale “look at what these terrible people are doing” and blaming the RP shippers for creating it – wow talk about projection) -that make a bad name for us all. Showing it to them and asking them about it IS a choice.

If RP Shipping is not a choice, a way to work out personal mental health issues, is fictional by definition, and a non-pathological aid to sexual excitement that hurts no one if it is contained within safe spaces such as fic sites and Tumblr, then what exactly is the harm?

Tumblr is a safe space.

Why is there such vitriol against RP Shipping and RPF? You claim to be protecting the actors or people in question, but by raising your voices so loudly in various ways, you are harming the very person you claim to be protecting. I think you have to ask what it is within yourself that makes you so aggressively hate this? Why can't we just say "that's not for me" and move on?

Don't we on Tumblr and on AO3 celebrate non-mainstream ideas such as this? Or if not celebrate, at least live and let live. The fact is that Tumblr is supposed to be a safe space. I should feel safe speaking my mind here. I know quite a few RP shippers follow me so I don't feel completely alone, but I don't feel entirely safe posting this.

My morality is not yours to police.

I strongly doubt I’ll be changing anyone’s mind with this. If you’re Anti RP shipping and Anti RPF you’re probably going to stay that way.

Don’t like, don’t read.

You can unfollow, block people, block tags, filter tags on AO3...any number of things. Think of it like a trigger. Just please don't spew hate.

#rps #rpf #good omens rpf #sherlock rpf #gahore #gahore rpf #real person shipping #real person fiction #dave gahan #martin gore #depeche mode #benedict cumberbatch #martin freeman #freebatch #sherlock #good omens #shennant #sheenant #ineffable lovers #david tennant #michael sheen #shipping discourse #shipping discussion #rp shipping #my posts

[ourtubahero-blog]

This therapy isn’t working…

#michael sheen #good omens #aziraphale #ineffable husbands #good ineffable omens #david tennant #crowley #good ineffable husbands #the white curl #so much therapy #sheendex #welsh seduction machine #soft scottish hipster gigolo #aziracrow #crowley good omens #go2 liveblog #good omens rpf #good omens 2 #good omens 2 spoilers #all hail gaiman #neil gaiman #i forgive you

[avengersnewb]

Drop your Michael Sheen/David Tennant fic recs, I’ve read “tempt you toward the flood” and I’m obsessed, need more exquisite words, yes please 🥹

#staged #good omens rpf #michael sheen and david tennant #michael sheen #david tennant #michael x david #sheen x tennant #wth is the ship name halp

[codswalloping]

Chapters: 4/4 Fandom: Good Omens (TV), British Actor RPF, Good Omens (TV) RPF Rating: Explicit Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Relationships: Crowley (Good Omens)/David Tennant, Aziraphale/Crowley (Good Omens), implied David Tennant/Georgia Tennant Characters: Crowley (Good Omens), David Tennant, Aziraphale (Good Omens) Additional Tags: Crack, Sex Lessons, Virgin Crowley (Good Omens), Humor, season two what’s that, never heard of her, Implied Aziraphale/Crowley, Oral Sex, Crowley Has A Vulva (Good Omens), improper use of David Tennant, Riding, more talking about sex than actual sex, Pining Crowley (Good Omens), Aziracrow endgame, offscreen Georgia Tennant Summary:

Crowley desperately wants to put the moves on a certain angel, but lacks crucial experience. He turns to a reluctant accomplice for assistance.

#good omens fic #good omens rpf #ish #crack fic #crowley x tennant #aziracrow endgame #my fic

[focusfixated]

what if i like you

fandom: good omens RPF pairings: michael sheen/david tennant rating: explicit tags: feminization, lingerie, drunk sex, overstimulation word count: 2.3k

“This is ridiculous,” David says, faintly, shaking on his hands and knees above Michael’s body, a coy little smudge of lace and nylon under him against the hotel-white sheets. It hadn’t been planned, all this – or, the post red-carpet hotel tryst within walking distance of the Odeon had been, but Michael slipping into his seductive little get-up once they got there hadn’t.

notes: i have very few excuses for this. originally i'd been looking at kinktober prompts for good omens, but nobody ever saw michael sheen like this and DIDN'T want to write a lingerie fic based on it.

READ HERE

#good omens rpf #michael sheen x david tennant #my fic #good omens rpf fic

[midnightwolfess]

Calling all david tennant and michael sheen archivists! Does anyone have a timeline of sorts as to filming of s1 and press tours etc? My research skills are failing me right now!

#welsh seduction machine #soft scottish hipster gigolo #good omens rpf

[anon-fics]

Post the filming of THAT SCENE, the actors have a moment in their hotel room to reflect.

david/michael h/c

AS USUAL, DO NOT SEND TO THE ACTORS

IF THEY WANT IT THEY'LL FIND IT

#rpf #good omens rpf #fic #mine #good omens #michael sheen/david tennant

[missindig0]

CHAPTER 11 is now ready to read! 🎉

Three days have passed, and things feel a little too easy; David has some over-thinking to avoid.

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[RPF!] The ineffable journey, from the casting of Good Omens in 2017 to precisely where are now, covering both David and Michael's experience. 100% a slow-burn; a cacophony of talent, emotion, love and intensity, all wrapped up in a wordy, ongoing AO3 package.

#slowburn #coworkers #developingfriendship #chemistry #conflictedfeelings #angst #comfort #fallinginlove #deepfeelings #GoodOmensFilming

#michael sheen #david tennant rpf #michael sheen rpf #michael sheen/david tennant #sheenant #shennant #good omens rpf #staged rpf #staged fic #staged fanfic #staged fanfiction

[armangelus]

i just did something…

#david tennant/michael sheen #good omens rpf #michael sheen/david tennant #good omens

[ingravinoveritas]

feelingsinitiate replied to your post "Look at this. They make me sick 🥹😭…"

The source is here: https://weibo.com/6404554297/NxmeBeuBH The photographer explained that David and Michael were indeed looking into each other's eyes, and she took two close shots and put them together.

@feelingsinitiate Thank you for this! I did mention some of this on another post (that the photographer took the pictures separately and edited them together, and confirmed that Michael and David were looking into each other's eyes), but I did not have the actual source until now.

I just keep thinking of what the chances possibly were of someone taking a picture of both Michael and David at that exact moment, and it seems astronomical. Not to mention getting such clear shots of their faces...

...Truly incredible. Astonishing, even. To know that this is how Michael and David look at each other when the cameras aren't on them just makes your heart ache. How fortunate they are to have each other and to love each other, in whatever form that may take--platonic, romantic, or both.

We have so much to look forward to in the months ahead--David's continued run in Macbeth, Michael in Nye, and of course the impending filming of GO 3. There is no way to know what will happen, but knowing that Michael and David are together somehow makes me feel reassured that everything will be okay...

#feelingsinitiate #reply post #michael sheen #welsh seduction machine #david tennant #soft scottish hipster gigolo #still not over this entire night #macbeth #donmar warehouse #i love them #and i love that they love each other #platonic or romantic #does it really matter which one #they are perfect together your honor #a friendship that's become something more #ineffable lovers #good omens rpf #discourse

[cuntbrow]

gomens fans are living the life 2016 johnlockers could only dream of

#it's making me cackle actually #this is justice for my sister dragging me to witness her in the trenches #good omens #bbc sherlock #michael sheen #david tennant #people #ysa.txt #A KISS. A META SHOW. AN RPF MOMENT BETWEEN THEM AND THEIR WIVES. LITERALLY IM HOWLING

[martinsharmony]

Georgia literally called Michael David's boyfriend. Yes it's couched in jokes and continuing the narrative they have set up, but when you think about it it's really genius. They can carry on now basically hiding in plain sight.

I'm so happy they got to be together for Michael's birthday. I have to believe that David did something really special for Michael <3 And I've been fantasizing about what that might be

#shennant #sheenant #ineffable lovers #good omens rpf #david tennant #michael sheen #georgia tennant #anna lundberg #david loves michael #michael loves david #david x michael #michael x david #sheebergnants

[davidtennantgenderenvy]

My Two Cents On The “ Is David Tennant Queer” Drama

As some of you know, I spent a solid third of the past year working on a movie-length video essay about David Tennant. This video essay features an eight minute section titled “Gender, Vulnerability, and Why David Tennant Is A Queer Icon”, which does not speculate on David’s own sexuality, but discusses the queer coding and subversion of gender norms in plenty of his roles and his importance as an ally to the LGBT community. At the same time, I was also coming to terms with my own identity as nonbinary and bisexual, and it ended up playing a crucial role in me finally working up the courage to come out to my parents. Characters like Crowley and the Doctor, both in terms of how they present themselves and how and who they love, have been absolutely instrumental in me developing my queer identity, and my comments section was full of people who had had similar experiences, who’d realized they were trans, nonbinary, gay, etc thanks to David and his characters. And as a result, I won’t deny that if David himself were to be queer, it would mean a lot to me.

Do I think David is queer? It’s certainly possible. I see a lot of how I express my queerness in how david chooses to express himself, most prominently through his frequent queer coding of characters who don’t necessarily have to be played as such. This can especially be seen through his Shakespeare characters, such as Richard, Hamlet, and some would argue Benedick as well. When I was 15 I played Mercutio in Romeo and Juliet, who I chose to play as a closeted young gay man harboring an unrequited crush on Romeo. I think I saw this role subconsciously as an outlet for my own repressed queerness, both of gender and sexuality, as I had experienced an unrequited crush on my female best friend the previous year which I was still in denial about. I’ve described my gender identity as “a girl with a chaotic tortured gay man inside of her that needs to be let out every once in a while”, which has never been more true than with Mercutio- a character who I might add, I took a great deal of inspiration from David when playing! In terms of using roles as an outlet for one’s queerness, I could absolutelt see this being true with David, especially when it comes to Crowley, who seems to have had an impact on David’s style, behavior, etc in a rather similar way to how he’s impacted me. I don’t want to act like David wearing pink docs means he must be gay, I think people should be allowed to wear whatever they want regardless of sexuality, but taken in conjunction with so many other things about him, it does make one wonder, and the fact that a seemingly straight man has been so many people’s queer awakening is a bit puzzling to say the least. I won’t pretend that these “signs” (if you interpret them that way), haven’t been increasing somewhat in the past year, and if I got to share my own coming out journey with the man who inspired it, I would be absolutely thrilled. I also can’t specifically think of an instance where David has SAID he is straight, as opposed to Taylor swift, who has.

With all of that said, where I personally draw the line is when mere speculation crosses into interfering with the subject’s personal relationships and the sense that one is OWED something. I believe that what matters to David more than anything is being a husband and a father. I believe he adores Georgia and his children and would not do anything in the world that he believes would jeopardize his family. As happy as I would be for David if he were to come out (probably as bi) I realize that that would put so much unwanted attention on his marriage and family and I think that’s the last thing he wants. I don’t think it’s IMPOSSIBLE that he and Michael Sheen are having a passionate love affair behind everyone’s backs, but I absolutely don’t consider it my place to insist that they are, because as much as I may feel like I do, I don’t know these people! And besides, if David were cheating on Georgia, he really would not be the person I thought he was.

So many queer people see themselves in David and his characters, and that is beautiful. And I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong with having theories that David might be queer himself. However, it must be acknowledged that these theories are THEORIES, and they should not be used to invalidate people’s real life relationships- after all, it’s totally possible to be bi/pan and also be in a loving and healthy heterosexual relationship like David and Georgia at least seem to be in! If David were in fact “one of us”, I would welcome him with the openest of open arms, but unless and until he himself decides to proclaim himself that way, I will not expect anything of him other than to be the incredible artist and person we know and love.

#David tennant #michael sheen #georgia tennant #queer #lgbt #bisexual #nonbinary #Rpf #Personal #meta #I try really hard not to discuss David’s sexuality online #But people are so divided on this topic and I wanted to voice my thoughts seeing as I stand somewhat in the middle #good omens #doctor who #Crowley #The tenth doctor #hamlet #the fourteenth doctor #much ado about nothing #benedick #richard ii

[ineffable-romantics]

Me @ me when Michael Sheen and/or David Tennant

#let me clarify that i am NOT an rp girlie #however.........👀 #these two are making it SO hard to be normal abt them #'but they ship themselves!' yes i KNOW but STILL ASKDKFJFKS #they are demons of temptation and i am but a humble mortal doing her best #(btw yes this is kind of abt the macbeth pics but i also just binged all of Staged for the first time last week while i was sick #so the timing is WILD) #rpf itself still squicks me out personally #but the heart ships what the heart ships and that's nunya business ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ #michael sheen #david tennant #good omens #staged #macbeth #macbeth 2023 #sheenant #shennant #mavid #dichael #??? #idk what their ship name is lmao #they're both just SO charismatic and charming it's honestly stupid i fkn hate them 😭