#i’m not an elriel shipper or an elucien shipper

[greenleaf777]

The fact that people ship Bryce and Azriel together SERIOUSLY is the fuckin funniest thing to me I swear to god…this is one of the weirdest fandoms I have ever been a part of. Has no one ever heard of crackships and just having fun?? You guys would’ve hated the OUAT fandom LMAO…we knew (for the most part*cough*sq*cough*) that our random ship was just that. Random.

Not every pairing you like has to be canon and endgame for you to enjoy it. I promise. And trust me they won’t be so stop getting your panties in a goddamn twist. Its like half this fandom has zero critical thinking skills and can’t interpret a dang thing. Is it mean to say I’d hate to run across some of you in the real world? You’d probably think I was flirting with you….you’d be shipping us together if I just said hi!.

Azriel is literally shipped with everyone he interacts with and shipped very seriously, hes not even flirting with them and the fandom sticks him with them. And hes only ever shown actual romantic interest in TWO people. Mor and Elain if that wasn’t obvious.

Besides elucien none of the others are even an option in canon(not that i think they’ll get together but at least their mates for godsakes).

Imagine me, shipping Nesta and Azriel, and non stop harassing Nessian shippers. Its the same thing. It COULD happen but it won’t happen because I can interpret what the author is trying to convey when Az and Nesta interact.

#elriel #i’m not anti any of these ships just their wacky shippers that won’t leave people alone #anti gwynriel #anti elucien #anti brycriel #no idea of thats the actual ship name #anti azris #thats a crackship i can get behind lol #azriel x elain #azriel #elain archeron #acotar #a court of thorns and roses #bryce x hunt #quinlar #I don’t even know all the CC crackships quinlar have to deal with

[bettdraws]

Genuine question but if elain and azriel weren’t going to have some romantic relationship, why did SJM even write that first half of the bonus chapter? Elucien are already mates, she could’ve written a scene with them or not mentioned azriel and elain at all.

I’m not saying that gwynriel half of the bonus chapter was meaningless, they DID have good banter and the language used was eyebrow-raising at the very least, like something is def hinted there but I’m just confused about it. Like if she’s going in gwynriel direction, she could’ve JUST written the second half of the scene. We didn’t even KNOW elain and azriel were interacting before. Like why write a scene with Az + elain and then wreck them in the same chapter?

It’s so weird?? It could’ve easily been a set up for elucien and gwynriel but now it looks more like she was setting up for a love triangle between Az Gwyn and Elain.

I don’t know what to make of this 🤷🏻‍♀️ it just felt unnecessary lol bc if the next book IS azriel, I really don’t think she is going to have him move on from Mor to Elain, then Elain to Gwyn over the course of one chapter that didn’t even make it in the book?

It makes me so annoyed to think about that stupid BC. She should’ve never released it bc whether it’s gwynriel or elriel, that bonus chapter doesn’t make sense.

Like yeah yeah, we see how toxic elriel could’ve been and we see how they would never work - but like… tbh I didn’t think anything was happening between elain and azriel UNTIL the bonus chapter. I literally read that and was like HUH when did they—??? And then he was like “this was a mistake” and they went their separate ways and he ended the chapter with Gwyn. If SJM is going for Gwynriel endgame, it would’ve been so much better if she just didn’t even include the first part of the bonus chapter?? And vice versa.

If she hadn’t written the first part, I wouldn’t think elriel was a thing. If she hadn’t written the second part I wouldn’t think gwynriel was a thing.

I don’t think she did it just for drama either so I literally dunno what purpose it serves.

Hey!! That’s a great question, let me dive into it…

I think the bonus chapter has three parts, one with Elain, one with Rhys, one with Gwyn, not only to cement Gwynriel but also to give an end to Elriel. This also while deep diving into Azriel’s thoughts and motivations.

I for one, never really considered Elriel as strongly as their shippers do, but I could tell there was something going on there, in Acowar we got some winks at Elain being comfortable with Azriel (even if kind of in a childish, innocent way) and in Acofas we got the beginning of them acting awkward with eachother, Elain showing Azriel her plans etc, I remember thinking it was at best cute and Elain obviously had a crush on Az (but he was still pretty much still hung up with Mor and she was still mourning her fiance). When I read the BC I was so shocked and uncomfortable with Azriel’s purely sexual thoughts about Elain, it was deliberate, to show the reader Azriel is probably confusing lust with romantic feelings. That’s I think why you say the BC was the first time you saw them as a couple, but this shock to me was more in the way Azriel himself actually viewed Elain, until then we all at least agreed it was in a more tender way, and this was absolutely crushed with his pov (and we actually see this tenderness in the way he thinks about Gwyn instead).

Now to your main question: Why add Elain in his chapter? And to that we first need to answer why SJM wrote Elriel at all.

As an Elucien I can’t come here and say Elriel never existed because it did, but the reason SJM wrote it is not to lead them as endgame, but to add layers and tension to these characters. Firstly, Elriel for me was there to add some will-they-won’t-they to Elucien’s mating bond. Look, with no other couple did we have a mating bond snapped and proclaimed even before the two characters even spoke to each-other. This the first time we have this scenario, and things need to go one way for the tension to be there.

If Elain was just mourning Graysen (which relationship was ended in the same book Elucien gained traction) then it would have been too given that they would inevitably find their way to eachother. So she adds Azriel to the mix, who at that point had only ever been interested in Mor for 500 years, with absolutely zero possibility of her ever mirroring his interest. It just makes sense for his character to also find that fixation on Elain, another unattainable female. This was another way Azriel continued his self sabotage behavior, and so we had the first real stepping stone into what his character arc will be when he gets his book.

But we can agree Elriel started (to act as a red herring for Elucien, add character tension, give Az an arc), gained traction in Acofas, and when Sarah introduced us to Gwyn and had the realization she was perfect for Azriel, she had to close the Elriel thread. So here comes the BC.

As readers we needed to see with our own eyes why exactly these two characters weren’t good together, just like she did this with Tamlin in a more dramatic way before Feyre could see Rhys in a romantic way, Sarah gave us all the clues in the way Azriel thought about Elain hyper sexually, how he called their encounter a mistake, how he focused too much in her mating bond, even in ACOSF we got winks of him limiting Elain when she clearly wanted to help, because she should not be exposed to darkness. Then comes Rhys, asking Azriel the questions we as readers were asking him: what about Mor? No answer. Do you think you deserve Elain? Diverting the answer to say Lucien doesn’t (showing us his possible insecurity towards him). And then we have the Gwyn part, in which we see Azriel’s character actually shine, even if he still can’t see this is actually the way, not the doomed self sabotage relationship he was entertaining with Elain.

The thing is it IS a set up for Elucien and Gwynriel:

Elucien: Lucien was there in the same house when the almost kiss happened, this is a calculated thing, the chapter could have happened a day after and it would have worked perfectly, but no, Lucien was there too. Something tells me Lucien knows what transpired, he probably could feel it, hear it, smell it or at least have some perception of it. And this just adds more angst to what Elain and him are going to go through.

Gwynriel: the obvious banter, exact opposite of Azriel’s and Elain’s interaction (for the better), and the hints of their potential mating bond.

To sum it up, Elriel was a thing before the bonus chapter, thats for sure, but Sarah needed to end it before she could continue, however small and insignificant their relationship actually was. And I don’t agree that this set up a love triangle between Elain/Az/Gwyn, when Azriel said “this was a mistake” Sarah ended any possibility of that, Elain gave him back the necklace she was at first eager to receive, Lucien was there and probably knows something happened, Azriel thought he had been right to stay away, and it ended with him thinking about Gwyn’s glowing eyes and smiling about her.

I hope this answers your question, I actually think the bonus chapter was masterfully written to tell us everything we need to know about what was actually happening inside Azriels head, and give us a hint of his future and the future of the other characters.

If she hadn’t written the first part, then we could’ve never gotten those rich pieces of information into Azriel’s trauma, red flags, jealousy and thought process that will play a part in his own book (because they’re far from resolved). By having both we could see how Elain brings up the worse in him, while Gwyn calms the restlessness inside of him instantly.

#i should have just said elriel are eachothers rebound #i love deep diving into this #elucien #pro elucien #anti e/riel #pro gwynriel #gwynriel #azriel shadowsinger #lucien vanserra #elain archeron #gwyneth berdara

[emmitaaa4]

I want to preface this little rant by saying that I am all for ship and let ship—at the end of the day none of this has any significance, and we should all get to enjoy our silly little ships to our heart’s content. Me personally I just want Elain to do whatever the hell she wants and be happy in the end. That being said, rn I just felt like getting something off my chest.

From what I have seen and understood, most of The Other Side believes that Azriel feels entitled to Elain. That he sees her as a sexual object, or at the very most as a rebound he doesn’t truly care for, nor respect; he does not think of her beyond what he can get from her sexually. They say his attitude towards her is toxic in its ‘possessiveness’; he doesn’t consider her an equal, for he sees her as a perpetual damsel in distress he must save; his attraction to her / feelings for her are a symptom of some twisted trauma response.

We know that they believe that. We’ve heard it. Over and over and over. Since 2021. Hell, everybody’s momma probably knows it, too, with the way that rhetoric is spread. But Elriels have made it plenty clear that we have a very different interpretation of the text and do NOT agree with those assessments of Azriel (nor half the things the poor man is diagnosed with, bless his fictional soul), considering what we do know of Azriel’s character and his relationship with Elain, based on the books--and yes, the bonus (see this, this, and this post). Otherwise—i.e. if we believed him an incel x fuckboy hybrid (probs the first of his kind!) who is only interested in getting her in is bed—we would obviously not be shipping them together: most of us (99% I’d say lol) care about Elain more than we do Az, or care about them both just as much.

So it is getting pretty tiring to see us shippers—the actual humans behind the screen—labelled as having a toxic/immature view of what love is, of being “too young/naive” to see the supposed red flags, of mistaking lust for love because we have not experienced a healthy relationship (?), of actually promoting toxic relationships & advocating for toxic masculinity (which someone told me on tiktok just now)(stay away from tiktok, folks). Those generalizations are wild to me, not only because they are wildly untrue and condescending, but because Elriels are a colorful bunch, you know—when you’re speaking of the fandom Villain™, you’re speaking of people of every demographic, speaking of daughters mothers grandmothers, depressed uni students (pardon the self-insert), etc... I need to get thicker skin, but those statements can get pretty hurtful in the long run. And I’m tired of feeling the need to justify myself as if we’re wrong for shipping two people who MUTUALLY want one another and lets be serious, no its not “just lust”.

I know I know, I am probably being dramatic. But it’s just weird to see a ship being so demonized and its shippers along with it, all because louder portions of the fandom disagree with our opinions and insist on toxifying ours. Just to be clear, I know that many have had unpleasant experiences/interactions with Elriels, just like many Elriels have had the same with Gwynriels and/or Eluciens. I condone none of the disgusting behaviour I’ve seen from some shippers, and in fact I abhor it. As everyone should.

To end this on a good note.

Elriels, I say we run with it. Az wants Elain for himself. He is jealous and his mind is plagued by thoughts of her. Her presence is too much to bear, for he can’t stand to be in the same room as her and pretend like he feels nothing. He is ready to beg on his knees for a chance to worship her, and it took Nesta one look to see it.

AZ IS OBSESSED AND I SAY WE EMBRACE IT.

#pro azriel #elain archeron #ship and let ship folks #that said embrace the obsession my elriel girlies #azriel #elriel #rant post #azriel bonus chapter #pro elriel #azriel shadowsinger #acotar

[high-speed-r]

Does anyone feel like the Elriels are, in some way, a more feral type of shippers? Like, out of the three they seem to be more mean? The Eluciens and the Gwynriels (I’m a proud gwynriel btw) seem to be more open to constructive criticism.

I literally just saw a post from an Elriel saying that the Gwynriels are all delusional and that they hope for nothing to go well for them or something, idk. It just felt so unnecessarily mean towards strangers on the internet

When it all comes to an end, if Gwyn and Az don’t end up together, yes I’m gonna be upset for a while (maybe a few months) but at the end of the day? They’re just fictional characters in a book. What’s happened has happened and there’s nothing we can do or say that can change SJM’s decision.

Can we just attempt to be nice to each other and be calm for once?

#pro gwynriel #azriel #gwyneth berdara #acotar #gwyn acosf #acosf #they are just fictional characters guys

[justthinkinboutbooks]

Someone on Reddit said,

Listen, I’m an Elucien shipper all day but I will be big mad if Elain doesn’t fuck Az first 🤭🤭

This is the type of shipping energy we should have, people!

Even as an Elriel, I wouldn’t be mad if Elain fucked Lucien once. I mean, she’s got a choice to make, why not make an educated decision? 👀

(I don’t think she will, but I’d still thoroughly enjoy the ride all the same!)

#elriel #acotar #azriel #elain archeron #sjm #elain x azriel #lucien vanserra

[nymphpriestessvalkyrie]

The fact is, no Gwynriel or Elucien or Quinlar shipper will EVER “win” an internet debate with an Elriel or Bryceriel shipper.

You see, because their arguments are not based in any kind of reality; they can literally keep making them up forever. They will never run out of steam, will always have infinite clap backs.

When you don’t care about canon, anything goes! Once you’re willing to just absolutely make things up out of thin air, your arguments are whatever you want them to be and you’ll never run out. Azriel is Elain’s “true” mate, or the Cauldron *would* have chosen him if only he hadn’t been injured. Bryce smelled bread and roses and that means Azriel and Elain are living happily ever after at the townhouse. A prophesy from another planet linking their weapons proves Azriel is Bryce’s endgame at the last minute. Something, something the Orion myth, Hades/Persephone, no: Bridgerton! Blah, blah, blah…

They can go on like this forever making up any bullshit comes to them, and all we can say in response is “there’s no evidence in the book for that.” And they’ll eventually go “I’m entitled to my opinion! You’re not SJM so you don’t KNOW! Lots of people agree with me!!! Stop being so rude!”

We who care about reality are just stuck with the canon evidence that SJM has given us. And there hasn’t been anything new of that in almost 2 years. We can repeat our arguments ad nauseum on every post, on every platform. We’ll just be the same old broken records with our screenshots of the book and they’ll have an endless string of nonsense to throw at us.

What a fun game this is.

#gwynriel #elucien #quinlar #anti e/riel #fuck it I’m tagging it #elriel #bryceriel #anti bryceriel #this post is a hater trap #hate it catches gets blocked

[bloomingdarkgarden]

Hello,

First things first, sorry for any grammar mistakes. English is not my first language.

Second, I would like to say I am beyond happy that I found your page, and the fanfiction. I have been reading since I was a little girl, and this fandom was the first, where I was ridiculed for liking two characters together (Elain and Azriel). So at first it really turned me off from anything relaring to them, since I didn't want to be bullied. But after discovering you, I have to say I love them even more! I actually would like to know what SJM thinks herself about this ship war and how Elriel shippers are being treated and made fun off. But, lets leave it for another time.

Third, I think I have never read anything so lovely as your writing. The world you created, the words and actions you put into these characters are nothing short of breathetaking. What made you love Elain and Az in the first place?

To me I think, it's the potential of the way they would fight for each other. Feysand and Nessian, sure, they're mated and all, but these two, oh boy. The way they burn Prythian to the ground for the one thay chose.

Anyway, thank you for this hope you give us. For this beauty. And I hope one day to read an original book written by you 🩷

'There will come a poet whose weapin is his word. He will slay you with his tongue' 🩷

Hi beautiful,

Thank you for such kind words regarding the story. I’m sorry you have experienced ridicule over faeries. All I can say is that people take these books astoundingly seriously considering how many massive plot holes there are. I don’t have the ammunition for it, only the bandaids. You are welcome to hide under a a rock with me away from it all. There’s tea there. And naked pictures of bat boys.

It’s hard to say what made me fall for Az and Elain. But I love this question.

I think it’s has something to do with defying expectation.

She’s been spoken for and consistently underestimated most of her life. There’s something intrinsically interesting about her staring wide-eyed into her own fate and turning away to choose another destiny entirely. Elain has a tendency to shock people and I find that telling.

There’s truly something beautiful to me in the dark fragility between them. I find it absolutely hypnotic. Something about sharing comfortable silence at odds with their mutually charged need and desire. The delicacy is 🤌

For me it has nothing to do with them fixing one another. But merely existing with their demons, somewhere sweet and dark and entirely their own. I think it really hit home for me when Az was the one out of everyone to recognize Elain’s powers.

All she has ever wanted is to be seen. She said that once, regarding Greyshit. And the day Az recognized her Sight he saw her truly.

"-as if the understanding, our understanding… it freed her from whatever murky realm she’d been in."

That was the darkest period of Elain’s life. And it was Azriel who saw her and delivered her from it. While her mate was in the room, at a loss. That's not something a girl ever forgets. Ever.

"𝙋𝙚𝙧𝙝𝙖𝙥𝙨 𝙝𝙚, 𝙩𝙤𝙤, 𝙝𝙖𝙙 𝙨𝙪𝙛𝙛𝙚𝙧𝙚𝙙 𝙖𝙨 𝙀𝙡𝙖𝙞𝙣 𝙝𝙖𝙙 𝙗𝙚𝙛𝙤𝙧𝙚 𝙝𝙚 𝙪𝙣𝙙𝙚𝙧𝙨𝙩𝙤𝙤𝙙 𝙬𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙜𝙞𝙛𝙩 𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙤𝙨𝙨𝙚𝙨𝙨𝙚𝙙.”

This raw, organic understanding.

Why everyone has to be mates is beyond me. That sort of pre-ordained shit reeks of conservative undertones / ownership and makes me 😬. Maybe just because I am a polyamorous bisexual faerie myself idk. I would be cool with it if it were one out of every 20 couples in ACOTAR or something. There are lovely fun tropes with it, but also problematic ones.

Why can’t we just have good old fashioned, star defying, cast-system-breaking-jack-and-rose-titanic-etched love affair idk.

If it happens with Elucien I'll be happy too, but that's another bag. I worship Lucien's ass. I just worship elriel's asses marginally more. I want the world for all our character's asses.

In my heart, Elain’s trembling fawn era is OUT. Elain’s dark-laced self-evolved reputation era defying the gods with a very bad bf no one wants her to have is IN.

Damn the Cauldron. Damn the Stars.

Lets 🫰 fucking 🫰 go 🫰

#elriel #elisabeth answers #elain archeron

[amandapearls]

Alright Elriels must be really on a roll this month because all I keep seeing is elriels complaining about how all Gwynriel and Elucien shippers hate Elain (which isn’t true at all. Lots of us like elain, some of us are undecided, and others don’t). Regardless, since the elriels want to complain about how terrible Gwynriels and Eluciens are I want to point out all the terrible, mean, racists shit the elriels have said about Lucien. Or all the terrible, mean hatefilled things they’ve said about Gwyn.

(I tried scribbling out the usernames of these mean people in order to semi protect their identity, even though they don’t deserve it)

And these are some of the “tamer” insults I’ve seen. I’ve seen elriels say racist things about Lucien. I’ve seen elriels say that Gwyn lied about her rape. I’ve seen elriels say how happy they’ll be when Lucien or Gwyn or both die.

Now these are just fictional characters so I don’t take too much insult to this bullshit. Usually I just ignore the hateful things I see being said about Gwyn and Lucien and keep going about my day.

But I’m just not going to do that today because the elriels are acting like they’re “morally superior”. They keep saying “oh gwynriel and elucien shippers are way worse than any Elriel shipper”. Like no honey. Check yourself. Your a hypocrite if scream about your side of the fandom being morally superior when you bully, insult, harass, and mock people and/ or characters just like some Gwynriels and Eluciens do. At least we can admit that there are some toxic gwynriels and eluciens out there. At least we know that not everyone on our side of the fandom is nice. My point is that ALL sides of the fandom have shitty and good people. At least we own up to that.

PS- Side note: don’t even get me started on how some elriels bully Elucien and Gwynriel shippers (not the characters but actual real people). Because I got plenty of screenshots of those too. So if a Elriel wants to come at me I hope you have your receipts, because I know I got mine.

#acotar #pro elucien #pro gwynriel #anti e/riel #elucien #gwynriel #anti e*riel #the hypocrisy

[athena-85]

I’m a multi pairing shipper so I don’t have that many eggs in this basket, but you’re actually wrong about the ship explanation. Any characters who interact with each other can be a ship, ships are not based on reality, they are not based on what is in the text. A crack ship is when you’re talking about two characters who have nothing to do with each other or have minimal interaction but you like the idea of them if you look at them from a particular perspective etc. “Ship” is anything a fandom decides to ship two fully out of this world insane options like Harry Styles and Obama. So no, Elucien or Gwynriel are not crack ships or potential ships, they are based on preferences in fandom, they are characters who interact, they are in the same universe, it doesn’t matter if they are potentially endgame etc. However, even if we knew who ended up with who, that would still not make any of these ships “crack ships.” The best example I can think of rn is like Naruto or Harry Potter where everyone is shipped with everyone. Ships are not reality. A crack ship is defined as something implausible in canon, fully bizarre and many times it’s also funny. In ACOTAR, the closest you can get to a crack ship is maybe Azris, that’s s pairing that is very unlikely to happen and they don’t have that much to do with each other but they still have interaction. A full on crack ship is like Tarquin with Vassa or something where it’s just random chaos 😅

Thanks for your opinion anon👍

i will just point one thing out, and clarify my opinion.

I noticed you contradicted yourself when you said:

“Any characters who interact with eachother can be shipped”

Then said:

An example of a Crackship is : Azriel and Eris (Aris)

Those characters interact with each other and we don’t know their sexual orientation. Infact there is MORE tension between those characters than Gwyn and Azriel. And there is less of a teacher and teenager vibe(Gwyn comes across very young to me with sleepovers and friendship bracelets stuff)

As for what my opinion was ,which you can disagree with but I would encourage you to avoid saying people opinions are “wrong”.

I said Elriel is a “ Canon ship”, which means there is text evidence that the characters like each other.

So far that’s not a lie for Elain and Azriel.

I said Elucien is a “potential ship” characters that have connections that may end up together. But so far no canon that there is mutual attraction.

So far still not a lie for Lucien and Elain

I said Gwynriel is a “crackship” or i can call it a “fanon ship” characters that have no potential, nor do a they have any mutual affection for each other romantically. Gwyn and Azriel ship was made up in the fandom, it is not from canon.

Still not a lie🤷‍♀️

All ships, all are okay! 👍😊

A good example of a crackship in another fandom is Hermione and Draco Malfoy.

Jk Rowling said that it was always going to be Ron and Hermione. Fans like Draco and Hermione together which I totally accept as a crack ship and support anybody who wants to enjoy that ship.

If people want to say that they like the idea of Gwyn and Azriel as a “ship” fandomship then fine! 👍

But there is no cannon between them. They are not endgame potential.

That’s what I said. I don’t think it’s wrong. It’s an opinion just like you gave your opinion which is fine.

If you find this offensive or it distresses you, please block me and enjoy the side of the fandom that you like best.❤️🤝

#acotar #acotar crackship #potential ship acotar #positive acotar fandom #acotar fandom

[greenleaf777]

Being relatively new to this fandom I just have to say that this Acotar fandom is unbelievable disrespectful to each other in term of ship wars. Where’d the etiquette go?. I see NONSTOP anti-shippers posting/reblogging/commenting/harassing on the ship posts they don’t agree with. On insta, tiktok, tumblr, twitter, etcetc. Also tagging ships that are not related to the post or tagging ships/characters you are making fun of is pretty low of you.

Am I the only one that has absolutely lost their patience with it. Just some examples cause it happens with ALL ships. Do not start discussing how elucien or gwynriel is better on a artists fanart of Elriel. If i was an artist trying to show my love for something and someone did that i would lose my shit on them. Or don’t post about how awful Nesta is on a nessian or nesta appreciation post. Or Don’t tell an azris(whatever eris and az ship is called not sure) that azriel and elain are true mates on their post. Why would you even do that in the first place?

If you see a post about a ship someone is celebrating that has nothing to do with your ship why are you pushing your ship or opinion on said ship on other people? WHY?

Mind your own business. Make your own post. Ship whatever you want. Pushing your ship on others is rude and won’t make them change their mind and will in fact make people angry and start fights. Thats the WHOLE POINT of tagging things and blocking tags too.

If you think i’m out of my mind thinking Elaine and Azriel will be endgame in the next book leave me to my delusions please. Thanks

Its also very hard to avoid ships/topics that can cause triggers when they are everywhere you look.

No matter how mean and rude you are about your ship SJM is still not going to write what you want and instead will write whatever she pleases, so just live in peace for gods sake. What will be will be.

If you think you should be able to start fights and be disrespectful let me know here so i can block you, thanks.

Also just curious what is the bryce and azriel ship called?

#elriel #feysand #nessian #elucien #gwynriel #azris #bryce x azriel #elain archeron #azriel acotar #feyre archeron #rhysand #cassian #nesta archeron #gwyneth berdara #eris vanserra #lucien vanserra #honestly can’t think of other ship names atm lol #acotar #acosf #acofas #acomaf #a court of thorns and roses #a court of silver flames #a court of mist and fury

[gwyns]

“Gwynriel’s have spent three full years of bullying and harassing Elriel’s!” I’m not going to deny that there are toxic and immature shippers, but E/riel’s act like they’re completely innocent. As if they haven’t sent death and r*pe threats, and haven’t also bullied and harassed people. As if they haven’t disrespectfully spammed a comment section. I saw E/riel’s keep bringing up E/riel’s book on Sarah’s Instagram post, but they’re saying Gwynriel’s & Elucien’s are being disrespectful by bringing up Gwynriel or Elucien. It’s the hypocrisy that astounds me.

you're right, there's toxicity on all sides (i've been seeing more of it lately unfortunately) but e/riels win by a longgggg shot. i have never seen any other fandom defend their ship to the extent they do, and i don't mean that in a good way lol

the key difference here is that eluciens and gwynriels have lives outside of their ships, e/riels seemingly don't. they can't seem to find an identity that doesn't include flower girl and bat boy, it's kinda sad really, especially when they bring up ships on a MOURNING POST... like god damn

a hobby is desperately needed

#antielriel #anti e/riel #asks #anonymous

[theladyofbloodshed]

Imagine romantic Nessian. Soft, fluffy, supportive mates. Not power imbalances, rough sex, and being punished for being honest to your sister. I just want romance ffs.

I’m an Elucien shipper through-and-through and if she does go that route in the next book (which hopefully she will because Elriel has the romantic chemistry of milk and a corn tortilla), they better not fuck until Elain is properly courted. For both Elain and Lucien’s sake.

I know :( Imagine any of her couples actually having friendship as the basis of their relationship rather than lust!

#anon asks

[stargirlfeyre]

Elain breaking her bond definitely feels foreshadowed tons but I will say I know she’s going to sexualize THE HELL out of Az and Elain after reading how she wrote them in the bonus chapter. Which is great for shippers! But…Since I don’t care for the sisters (not Nesta’s biggest fan at all but I don’t mind her now) and even though I care for Elain more than Nesta I still don’t care ENOUGH to read another sexualized book like ACOSF ended up being. Not even for prudish reasons but the stan’s are already ALOT for Az’s ships that imagine how it’ll be if we get an ACOSF part 2. People don’t tak enough about how dreadful the timeline will become with ACOTAR becoming erotica smutt novels officially after another ACOSF. It’s why I could care less for Nessians they’re just deluded and to me have the most boring ship, but Elriel as much as I think they’re cute the timeline would get even worse.

Apart of me feels like Eluciens would be….a little less insufferable. Because Lucien’s not as erotic seeming as Az was. Like I’m sorry that over sexual Az in the BC is just not for me..Wanting to grab her by the throat, go down on her etc was the FIRST pov we got from him of her? IDK. It was a turn off I think esp after all the excessive sex in ACOSF. I’m not even a prude I love a good steamy read but..ACOSF part 2 is what I’m dreading after that scene between them. Lucien and Lucien stan’s suck mostly but it wouldn’t be all sexual and angsty I think they’d (I can’t believe i’m about to say this…) ..have a more interesting connection to read about. Elain and Az almost feel like bootleg Feysand with the Light and Dark contrast. Still cute! Just so many things I’m off about with them. And it’s weird bc I don’t even like Lucien..But I may like him with Elain if he doesn’t behave like Az. Idk! The scenes would be hot with Az but also idk why it turns me off so i’m conflicted. Though thinking of how he put Tamlin and Elain over Feyre in ACOWAR fucking up with Feyre ONCE again…It makes me think it’d be nice to see him not get here. So yeah i’m conclusion your girl is confused 😂 Masterbating to damn headache powder, that’s like a guy I know masterbating to Tylenol I bought him for migraines. Tf 😭 I feel like it’s supposed to turn me on Eps with how he looks but…it just doesn’t. And I love smut. So it’s weird.

I feel like the only time Sjm has talked about Azriel in an interview was to say that he’s a freak in bed. I literally cannot remember any other instance where she solely talks about him. It’s not just the smut that I’m dreading but the type of smut that’s going to be in acotar5. I have a funny feeling that mass is going to lean into the innocent girl + bad boy when it comes to Elriel and their “sex” life. I didn’t read one nessian smut scene because of how sjm wrote it.

To me it’s almost a guarantee that acotar5 is going to be filled with sex, sex, and more sex. I don’t want it to be like that and of course I hope for an actual plot that makes sense however I have no faith in mass😭. I feel like she doesn’t have any motivation to write these couples so she just has them fuck each other and call that a “connection”. She’s already set Azriel up to be a sexual being and his pov was just…? I feel like Elriel is a couple that is supposed to just be enjoyed on surface level. Like if I think too much about my head hurts.

Sjm has fucked up these characters so much that I don’t even know nor care who they end up with.

[bookofmirth]

Hello I was mostly curious about the book club you’ve mentioned does it consist of mostly Elucien shippers? I love book clubs but I know the vibe has to be right and I’m pretty neutral on the ship war I’m mostly here because I’m a big Nesta fan. Not alot of my mutuals are fans of the crossover so there’s no one too talk to

Hello! It is elucien shippers, and gwynriel, and *gasp* even some people who ship elriel or did in the past haha. It actually used to lean elriel until acosf came out. (The server has been around since 2018)

The vibe definitely has to be right, I totally get you. I've been in several servers that I ended up leaving not for anything being wrong, but because it just wasn't a great fit.

In terms of joining, I usually extend invitations to people who interact with my posts. Sometimes, someone who is already there will invite a friend, once they know the vibes. I'm kinda cautious just because people be dicks in this fandom and I would commit crimes for my friends there. I am very protective of that space. I have a no lurking policy, for example, and after a month of no interaction people automatically get kicked.

I know that it's hard to find community in this fandom, especially when you don't know who you truly get along with and can trust. I could start a new server? Maybe? I'd have to think about it.

#bookclub of mirth #ask #anon #I know that 'people who interact with my posts' sounds weird #but look #it tells me what they are thinking and what their sense of humor is like #it works haha #also you have to have either #a scorpio or capricorn placement #that's just how it keeps working out

[acourtofthought]

I’m tempted to block everything about Gwyn + Azriel lately. It hasn’t even happened yet - we literally have no confirmation that it will happen and people have ruined it for me. I’ve seen people literally saying “my favorite part of their love story”… what story? The one that hasn’t even been written yet? I fear it’s becoming one of those horribly overhyped ships and if SJM decides to go a different way, Gwynriels are gonna turn into Elriels 2.0. I’m literally praying for Elucien’s book to be next because I already feel like I’ve read 10 books about Gwynriel. And I’m sort of starting to get sick of the warrior x warrior pairs. Authors, not just SJM, need to start shaking things up and think of something different.

I think it's very normal to experience shippers fatigue when a pairing is not your favorite because no matter how much people might be alright with your personal ship, there will be times when the discussion surrounding their favorite will (even unintentionally) make yours seem less important.

While I do think we're all guilty of imagining how good both Gwynriel and Elucien could be together (and will hopefully be), I agree that neither couple is currently in love. Someday if they end up there, maybe we can look back and say, "they were barely friends at that point but based on what the characters told us in their book, they sensed that the other was going to be someone important to them" and that technically will become part of their love story. But at this point I agree that we can't know for sure exactly where it will have begun for them. Because a love story that started when Az was canonically still in love with Mor and fixated on Elain for the wrong reasons is not a very good love story. Just like I wouldn't want Elucien to be falling for one another while she was still in love with Graysen.

While I do think Gwynriel will end up together and well matched, I agree that every female becoming a warrior is getting a little redundant at this point (especially within the same series). Which is why I am also really looking forward to Elain and Lucien's book. I want to see more of the politics side of things from them, more of their intelligence shining through in how they interact with other Courts, and less training, less "the Illyrians are brutes", less IC drama that has been the focus for so many books now. Elucien would be a nice break from all that.

I think my most controversial take on Gwynriel is not so much how a shipper imagines their story to go or headcannons because those are the things that keep us alive while we wait for the next book. My biggest issue is that just because Az and Gwyn were more heavily featured in SF, people have taken up the stance that Elucien is irrelevant so Gwynriel MUST be the focus of the next book.

Gwynriel was in SF, sure. But you know whose unresolved story was in ACOMAF? ACOWAR? ACOFAS? ACOSF? Elucien. It doesn't matter how often Az's name was in SF or that Gwyn had more development than Elain because Gwyn was there for Nesta (and Az is Cassian's best friend). I don't disagree that SJM is hinting at Gwynriel but the main point of Gwyn in SF was to be Nesta's found family which means she had to strongly feature in the book and Nesta needed to know who Gwyn was in order for their relationship to develop. However, when you consider how Elain's story has been building from book 2 and Lucien's from book 1, it's not about most mentions in a book (especially a book about Nesta and Cassian). It feels a little like "can't you wait your turn?" considering Gwynriel was just introduced. Eluciens deserve to be put out of their misery 😂. And yes, Chaol and Yrene got together in a single book but it wasn't at the expense of who Aelin was going to end up with after her romantic arc had been building for multiple books.

It wouldn't make any sense for Elain or Lucien to heavily feature in a Nessian's book when Lucien is not actually part of the IC (though SJM still found a way to make him relevant and set his future journey up) and Nesta and Elain are not meant to become extremely close. The point of Nesta's journey was learning to find a life outside of being Elain's protector and learning to let go of Elain. It was also a continuation of the narrative that Elain doesn't belong in the NC so she had to remain somewhat irrelevant to the IC in general.

Sure, we know Gwyn is going to have unknown powers, needs to discover her heritage, she may have a mating bond and we know she's going to need to decide what she wants to do about being a priestess and leaving the library but SJM literally told us, "Elain doesn't belong in the NC and has unknown powers, Elain will go to Spring and then the continent, Lucien is also going to be in Spring (Spring which the IC keeps mentioning they need up and running) and the continent, Lucien is displaying the markers of a High Lord, still doesn't know about his father, Koschei is about to call Vassa back and she's connected to Lucien and Vassa, and Elain and Lucien still need to decide what they'll do about their actual confirmed mating bond which has been an ongoing issue for multiple books. Everything with Elain and Lucien was laid out with actual locations. Not to mention the final page of the book has Nesta placing the wooden carving made for Elain (a carving which was repeatedly mentioned in SF) on their fathers gravestone as a "marker of the beauty and good he tried to bring into the world" and that (to me) is clearly symbolic of Elain and how she'll soon go on her journey.

That doesn't mean the Gwynriel book can't happen next, it absolutely can. But I do get somewhat frustrated by Gwynriel's who really don't think there is just as much suggesting Elucien could also be next. They're forgetting how long Elain and Lucien's journey's has been building and that it actually made sense for Elain not to heavily feature in the books if SJM is trying to sell the narrative that no one really knows her and her not belonging in the NC.

#pro elucien #elucien #pro elain archeron #pro lucien vanserra

[elrielbaby]

As an elucien shipper, I don’t like tamlain. But the theory video you were ranting about was polite and articulate - and, with all due respect, you glossed over the most important points. I can respect elriel, but it’s a little ironic that you call yourselves the ship with the most “canon” evidence, but then turn a blind eye to the several canon connections between Elain and the spring court (or try and make Rosehall fit into it…)

But that video now has almost 30k likes. Go on tik tok, reddit, ig, facebook - everyone ships Elain with Lucien or Tamlin, and Azriel with Gwyn or Bryce, and even Eris. I saw a poll today on fb, and Gwynriel had over 1000 votes, while Elriel had 53 💀 The fact that people are rooting for these ships, *even when* elriel has more content thus far - speaks volumes about how many people don’t want it.

So it’s fine if you ship it, but it makes no sense to get on this app and continually act in disbelief as to why the majority of the fandom has a different opinion to you, bc for a while now, your ship has never been the most popular in the first place

Trying to make Rosehall fit? It does fit 💀 I don’t need to ‘try’ and as for ignoring ‘canon evidence’ linking Elain to SC - I assume you mean, in the first book when Feyre says Elain would love it, and in the latest book when Nesta says ‘Spring Court was made for someone like Elain’. I ignore nothing but I also take into consideration, how Elain has said herself that Night Court is her home & she is thriving there. How Feyre has stated on more than one occasion, that Elain likes the work of gardening (so what would be the point of her going to spring where it is maintained by magic) & how Elain smells like Jasmine, which is what night court smells like. Other than those two instances & the fact Elain likes flowers, what else is there? The dress? Firstly, it seemed planned to me but let’s work on the assumption it wasn’t - NONE of the inner circle like Hewn City. But they all love Velaris. And where was she seen glowing in the very next chapter? So if that’s the case, should we say that Nesta belongs in Day Court because they have the best library? Or the Feyre should belong to a court with the best art? No. I don’t think so. People will see what they want to see. As for me getting on an app and acting in disbelief - who are you to police how I react to information I’m seeing? I’m coming onto an app, trying my damn best to tag correctly (which apparently isn’t good enough either) to talk to other people who ALSO can’t believe what they’re seeing. If you believe it good for you. And again, believe it or not, SJM isn’t gonna care wether you lot want Elain with Azriel or not. Just as she doesn’t care what I want, she’s going to write the story that makes the most sense to her - and at the moment that looks like elriel to me.