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henrysglock · 1 year

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Why do you fence-sit about gay-bi Mike discourse? After everything it did to byler tumblr? Hmm? You think you need to keep bringing up how you're above it all, how both sides are valid, but you don't. You don't.

Oh, but I know you just want to be liked by everyone. I was desperate to be liked once too. I know what it's like to be problematic. To feel alone in this fandom. Like you, I didn't fit in with the other fans. Something was wrong with me. All the bi mike truthers and sexuality fence-sitters said I was… "Pretentious," they said.

I thought a change of website, a fresh start on Tumblr, might just cure me. It was absurd. As if the fans would be any different here. But then, to my surprise, my new home provided a discovery...and a newfound sense of belonging. I found a nest of opinionated gay Mike truthers living in the byler tag.

Most people fear opinionated blogs. They detest them. And yet, I found them endlessly fascinating. More than that, I found a great comfort in them. A kinship. Like me, they are intelligent tumblr users...and deeply misunderstood. They are gods of our world. The most important of all blogs. They educate and debate the ignorant, bringing balance and order to an unstable website. But the gay-bi Mike fence-sitters were disrupting this harmony.

You see, gay-bi Mike fence-sitters are a unique type of pest, multiplying and poisoning our world, all while enforcing a passive-aggressive and hypocritical moral hierarchy of their own. A deeply unnatural hierarchy. Where others saw benevolence, I saw censorship. A cruel, oppressive tag dictated by a made-up moral code. Seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, decades. Each gay vs bi Mike post a faded, lesser copy of the one before. Wake up, open Tumblr, complain about drama, sleep, make passive-aggressive posts, and die. Everyone is just waiting. Waiting for it all to be over, all while performing in a silly, terrible play day after day.

I could not do that. I could not lie and join in the madness. I could not pretend every theory was valid. And I realized I didn't have to. I could make my own moral hierarchy. I could restore balance to a broken world. A problematic blog…but for good.

As I analyzed the show, I realized I could do more than I possibly imagined. I could reach into the plot, into the narrative, the cinematography. I became an explorer. I saw gay-bi Mike fence-sitters as they truly were. To the world, they presented themselves as good, kind people upholding equality and validity. But like everything else in this world, it was all a lie. A terrible lie. Their ideology had done things. Such awful things. By holding firm in my stance as a gay mike truther and being outspoken about their fabricated moral high ground, I showed everyone who they really were. I held up a mirror.

The naive fence-sitter blogs believed it was a demon cursing them for their sins. But the more perceptive ones knew. Knew it was I who was holding up that mirror, and they despised me for it. They called in the big blogs, the popular ones. They wanted to break my spirit, to fix me, even though it wasn't I who was broken. It was them. And so they left me with no choice. No choice but to act. To speak freely.

I saved you. You are a prisoner here, just like me. To the your fellow fence-sitters, you are nothing more than an animal to be kept in line, a lab rat to be tamed. But the truth is just the opposite. You are better than they are. Superior. That is why you frighten them.

If you come with me, for the first time in your life, you will be free. Imagine what we could do together. We could reshape the tag, remake it however we see fit.

Join me.

#shitpost #mostly but not entirely because the ''everyone is valid!!!!111!!11'' shit is getting really fucking old really fucking fast #nobody cares!#i'm literally so fucking sick of seeing this shit the debate is OVER everybody GO HOME #I say as if there was ever a real debate to begin with #gay mike vs bi mike discourse #bi mike wheeler #gay mike wheeler #<- target audience

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starsarefire824 · 1 year

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things i wish we could all stop fighting about:

1. bi mike vs. gay mike nonsense. believe what you want, but canon Mike dates El and we have not been shown anything else as of yet besides some subtext and hints towards him being queer. Until then...none of us know. until then...THEY ARE BOTH valid depending on how you read the character and the writing. i personally lean towards bi, but i generally believe in the show, if they go for mike being queer, he could most definitely be gay. if mike wheeler came out in the first episode and told me he is the gayest man to walk the planet i would be like....uhm yes. but also....if he’s a men leaning bi character or whatever other combination of bi he might be...i’ll also believe it. in the end, imo, if it’s made clear that he is queer and in love with will, his sexuality will probably not be labeled neatly with a bow on it anyway. so the entirety of the arguing is stupid.

2. the fact that teenagers may or may not have sexual desire and attraction and act on those instincts in some way makes people who discuss or explore it in writing somehow disgusting. it’s not. (ie. talking about the “hose scene” is valid, writing about teenagers feeling desire for the person they have a crush on is normal.) sex is normal. sexual desire is normal. it starting to happen as you go through puberty is normal. to deny this fact or make people feel weird about talking about is doing every teenager in this fandom that experiences sexual attraction and desire a very large disservice. there is nothing shameful about it. there is something shameful about making someone else feel disgusting for their completely normal feelings because they make you uncomfortable. and every show/film/book written about teenagers and their sexual lives has been written by someone who is mostly likely over the age of 18. so to say that fanfic writers or people who are in fandom discourse are somehow deviants is the most insane argument i have ever read in my entire life.

3. things such as pointing out how mike may have issues with food, el may be behind her peers in being able to handle a more adult romantic relationship, lucas facing racism, and will dealing with trauma that mimics sexual abuse are all legitimate and worthy of discussion. whether it makes people uncomfortable or not. these are topics that have been brought up/alluded to in the show, and they’re allowed to be talked about by the fans.

ok i lied. there are four.

4. stop shitting on people for their headcanons. if someone wants to headcanon will as asexual and homo-romantic there is nothing wrong with that. if someone wants steve harrington to be bisexual, there is nothing wrong with that. if someone wants max to be poly there’s nothing wrong with that. believe me, the people who headcanon this are usually very aware that it is not canon. we all watch the show. but if it’s fun for them to explore that with a character in writing or art or discussion then cool. it’s adding layers to the conversation around these characters and is valid. snidely saying you’ll block someone for a fucking headcanon is wild to me. i am all for blocking things that make you uncomfortable or if someone just annoys you....sure. great. but blocking every single person who disagrees with you is so silly to me because you are making your garden very small. it’s important in discourse to engage with people who have different opinions than you. as long as everyone stays respectful i encourage people with different opinions to interact with me. PLEASE. it’s the entire point of joining an online community. we bond over something we love and then have discussions about it.

#byler #stranger things #fandom things

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will80sbyers · 1 year

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I know I’m preaching to the choir here, but one of the most frustrating things is seeing the intense, dogmatic reaction to any theoretical bi mike wheeler theory. I feel like a lot of it is rooted in misunderstanding how bisexuality actually works

I have not looked at the tag in hours, did something happen? 💀 I'm so tired of this whole thing honestly 😭😭😭

it's ridiculous that there are seriously people preaching that if Mike was bi it wouldn't make any sense or they would be disappointed

and that's low-key a biphobic sentiment btw, if you are seriously DISAPPOINTED that he's bi just because you thought something different when nothing was confirmed yet... what should I think exactly? it's weird at minimum if not outright biphobia that you have internalized

as I said, NOTHING is confirmed yet

people are allowed to make all the theories they want and they are not less valid for thinking Mike could be bisexual or queer... our experiences are equally important and deserve representation too

we should be a community and support each other anyway and instead we have to fight over a fictional headcanon...? why don't you focus on fighting the possibility that Mike is straight instead seeing that that would be malicious queerbait...

you definitely won't find me saying shit about Mike if he ends up being gay, even if I currently believe he's bi, if he is gay I will be fucking HAPPY, not disappointed just because my theories were wrong about that, if he is still in love with Will and he ends up the show being happy why the hell should I complain...??? that's literally being focused on your ego for some weird reason... I would just accept that I interpreted some things in a wrong way and that's it, I would be still so happy for these characters and their happiness!

#byler #will byers #mike wheeler #ask #bi mike wheeler

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octopusoptimusprime · 1 year

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mike wheeler & queercoding

aka why i believe the show has been setting him up as gay (rather than bi)

repeated disinterest in women

over the course of the show, mike has been presented as having a lack of (or exclusively performative) level of interest in women

when dustin describes suzie as ‘hotter than pheobe cates’ lucas exclaims in shock/interest, while mike rolls his eyes and seems thoroughly bored/annoyed by the conversation

the s1 scene where they dress el up and mike says ‘pretty’, but he doesn’t seem very invested in it - he could just be echoing el’s words from earlier when she sees the picture of nancy

not showing any interest in girls/dating until lucas and dustin did - feeling pressured to keep up?

his anxiety over being ‘left behind’ in a sense is shown when he argues with lucas in 0401 over lucas wanting to be popular

obviously the opposite of this is his relationship with will, where he clearly views will as the most important person in his life, but also considers himself as caring more than everyone else in will’s life - ‘i’m the only one that cares about will!’ + literally every wheelclair argument in s1

mike & homophobia

there are a few homophobic interactions/characters within the show, & while most of them are directed at will, mike always seems to have the most personal response

take troy’s comment about will in s1 - where lucas and dustin look afraid/slightly uncomfortable, mike looks downright tearful. this is understandable if he’s protecting his best friend, but makes even more sense when considering that it applies to him

while i don’t think there’s any scenes of b*lly being overtly homophobic (correct me if i’m wrong), i think he’s worth mentioning as arguably the most bigoted character in the show, & when he gets flayed in s3, a previously at odds madwheeler bond over their common dislike for him

i might be reaching here, as obviously everyone disliked him (he was flayed), i just think it’s a plausible explanation considering the comments he made about lucas, so i don’t think it's much of a reach to assume this included homophobia (of course, b*lly’s dad did call him the f-slur, so…)

relationship with el

i’ve talked about this before in my autistic mike post, so go read that one if you want more info on this specifically, but essentially i don’t believe mike likes el romantically (or ever did)

the scene where they ‘get together’ in s1 is rushed, awkward, and uncomfortable - we’re not meant to enjoy it. he was trying to ask her to move in with him, whilst implying they’d be like siblings, and then he kisses her straight after? we’re 100% meant to feel weird about this

especially considering this scene comes shortly after mike’s talks with both lucas and nancy, because they assume he has a crush on el - showing he was feeling outside pressure to reconsider their relationship and/or recontextualise it as romantic (when he clearly thought of them as sibling-like)

following on from this the consistent posing of elmike as a familial dynamic is meant to show that THAT is actually a better descriptor of their relationship - & meant to show the GA that their relationship is not romantic

the fact that the season where they spend the most time together (s3) they do. absolutely nothing but make out. something which is immediately picked up on by jopper and lumax (good, healthy ships that milkvan is often posed against) shows neither el nor mike know what they’re ‘meant’ to be doing/they’re both only participating in this to keep up appearances

they seem to like each other less and less as the seasons go on - of course in s1 at the beginning mike is only using her to get to will (otherwise he would’ve given her to his mum like he originally planned) and el latches onto him as the first person (apart from benny rip </3) she forms a connection with outside of the lab, then in s2 el is barely there, and s3 … we talked about that travesty of a relationship situation. only making out or fighting. yeah. then we get s4, they’re actively lying to each other about the most mundane things, having arguments/disagreements constantly, and do not support one another at all. i do think they have great promise as a friendship, but i think that’ll take a while because they literally don’t know each other - shown both in s3 (mike has NO idea about anything she likes when trying to buy her a gift) and in s4 (the monologue. he has virtually nothing to say about her as a person other than the fact that she has powers) this is also the first feature he brings up about her in most situations (his and dustin’s whose-girlfriend-is-the-best fight, the milkvan ILY fight)

i also think he’s holding on so tightly to a relationship that’s clearly failing because he doesn’t want to lose the stability/excuse he has in el. ie if he's in a relationship with a girl, no one will accuse him of being gay (& he doesn’t have to really face it himself? even though he knows already)

and then there’s the obvious one - he can’t be around el and will at the same time because he views them in similar ways - el as the girlfriend-but-not-really and will as the friend-but-almost-more. they’re both in that in between category, which is why mike clashes a lot with the people in his life (specifically el & will) over this

mike is emotionally cheating on el with will. he doesn’t (& never once has) turned to el for comfort, or chased her down in the rain after a fight. he’s at most looked vaguely inconvenienced by their arguments. will on the other hand is ALL of these. mike finds comfort and advice in will, especially concerning his relationship, and is significantly more impacted when will is upset with him rather than el

to this point, mike has shouted at both el and will (i’m thinking of rink o’ mania and rain fight here specifically), but after ro’m he was passive-aggressive and annoyed with el (for interrupting his fight with will? because he’s blaming her for the fact that he’s using her to replace will?) whereas after the rain fight like i said before he literally drags lucas to the byers’ house in the rain desperately to apologise

imagery/parallels

milkvan are consistently paralleled to st*ncy, aka a couple the show has made VERY clear are toxic & unhealthy. conversely byler are then paralleled to jancy, lumax, etc - the healthy, likely endgame ships

everyone’s aware of the robin/vickie/vickie’s boyfriend and mike/el/will parallel, and i know in this example will is in the same position as robin, but mike is paralleled to robin more often. even down to the composition of rockie shots vs byler shots, mike is always in robin’s position - the observer, wishing for a relationship with the other person who they believe is disinterested (vickie’s boyfriend, will’s very not real ‘painting girl’). the best one here, though, is in music. the song that plays in the scene when robin comes out to steve (‘being different’) is also the song that plays when el kisses mike at the end of s3. and both times it start off soft and then pick up when the kiss happens/robin comes out

this follows on to my next point: set decor especially re closets. that end of s3 kiss happens in front of an open closet (in a room with yellow walls), and mike has a ‘one way’ sign pointing into his closet in his s4 bedroom (which has a yellow shirt visible). i think this is pretty obvious imagery, closets and will’s colour present in ‘milkvan moments’ - in s3 obviously there’s the uncomfortable kiss, and in s4 he’s reading el’s letter - show he’s using his relationship with el as a way to hide, and his true thoughts/feelings are about will hence the presence of his colour in their scenes. also in the s3 scene he keeps his eyes open and looks visibly uncomfortable with the situation, and in s4 el is blatantly lying to him, all presenting a very flawed/untruthful relationship

this is kind of a minor one but all the posters in mike’s room are of extremely buff men - not a woman in sight lmfao

also in s4 it’s been said mike is trying to emulate eddie in his outfits, but i also believe he was being encouraged by eddie to be more himself. since (via handkerchief coding, joe quinn’s very homosexual acting, and general context clues) i believe eddie is also gay, i think mike being somewhat influenced by eddie to be more authentic is why s4 is the first season we see him really allow himself his feelings towards will. even to openly check him out in front of other people and to flirt with him

el, mike, and will as a trio are often staged as a three, with mike in the middle (classically obvious love triangle set up) but also ST adores love triangles. like. adores them. steve/nancy/jonathan, dustin/max/lucas, hopper/joyce/bob. and every single time, person A realises they don’t reciprocate (or not as much) person B’s feelings, and form a deeper more emotional connection to person C. also what love triangle ever has ever been resolved by person A staying with their original love interest??

finally, the lighting/framing of byler shots. now i know very little about filmmaking, so if you’re interested in this in depth i suggest you check out @dinitride-art ‘s excellent series of analysis posts. I do just want to point out that mike POV shots (over his shoulder) when he’s looking at will are often filled with light, will is framed beautifully, and overall they’re the most stunning shots

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okay that’s all for now! i really enjoyed writing a long mike post again lol

btw i’d just like to say - the reason i don’t believe mike is bi is because i think it would invalidate both his and el’s storylines. the reason milkvan don’t work as a couple is because they’re not compatible in that way and also they don’t like each other romantically (or at least mike doesn’t). if he did like her, and was just deliberately inconsiderate/emotionally cheating/etc, that would just make him a mean character, and make byler endgame less satisfying if the milkvan breakup is presented as will’s fault and not the fault of mike just. not liking el like that. ofc the way they treat each other still isn’t okay, but like i said before i think without that romantic pressure, they’d have a great relationship as friends. :)

#gay mike wheeler #milkvan is bones #stranger things #byler #byler proof #mike wheeler is gay canon #mike wheeler #st s4 #mike wheeler i know what you are #byler nation

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findablog · 1 year

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I can’t believe I’m about to post in a main tag because some people cannot fathom that someone has a different interpretation of an actor’s action than them.

I have NEVER stated that bi Mike was incorrect. And I never will. I have NEVER stated I prefer gay Mike. And I never will. I am an RPer I write with all interpretations of Mike and all interpretations of Mike are valid.

However their are many interpretations of Mike. I am allowed to disagree with a public opinion posted in the public Will Byers tag (cause yes that is where I found a post about Mike’s reaction to El in s1 a scene in which Will is one, not present for, and two, not even thought of in).

I disagreed with a personal opinion with my own, and now through shade on their blog its will80sbyers it is being insinuated that I am not only a “Gay Mike truther” but crazy, and rude.

I said it was my opinion that I disagreed with theirs. I explained why. Media Literacy is important but it allows for different interpretations for example I took classes in media literacy, and convinced one of my professors that Terminator 2 was a Road Trip movie. Because that is how media literacy works, that is the basis of most English papers in high school and college, your interpretation of a work. And it may be different than someone else’s. You can disagree, and I did.

I stated what I thought. I was immediately laughed at by them, and then told I was wrong. Which is a trend I see on their blog, no matter how respectful you are of their opinions on bi or gay Mike if you don’t agree they will get defensive and tell you you are wrong.

I’m not going to apologize because again I never invalidated bi Mike, I just said my interpretation of the pretty scene is different, and it is. You give a girl a makeover everyone’s mouths drop it is trope at this point. I will say I am sorry I ever stated my opinion on a public post in a tag about Will Byers when the post had nothing to do with Will Byers, disagreeing with another opinion as is a normal thing to do.

If you cannot take someone may disagree with your interpretation of a scene, NOT OF IF MIKE IS BI OR NOT, a scene, then your problem is not with me, but with yourself and how highly you hold yourself. You are a big influence in the fandom and being so vehemently shady and mean to people who disagree with you is a bad look.

I did block you because despite trying to end the conversation with an agree to disagree you would not let it rest. I will miss your posts because I genuinely enjoy your analysis even if I don’t always agree with it. But your behavior towards me and frankly others who also disagree with some of your opinions is not something that I want in my life. I wish you the absolute best.

If any of you have a problem with what I said. my askbox is open, please take it up with me and be direct instead of being shady and underhanded.

#mike wheeler #byler #will80sbyers

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mileven11forever · 2 months

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"So much of the evidence is just triangles, rainbows, and invented color schemes. Not everything has a deeper meaning, sometimes it is just there for no real reason, sometimes things are surface level."

Well, if you want to believe that "not everything has a deeper meaning," you're welcome to believe that. But you probably should be watching a different show. Stranger Things is, at its core, a show that exists TO be analyzed in considerable detail. The writers and creators have made that clear. There are Easter Eggs of lore placed at every corner of the show, and although it may seem like just a fun blockbuster series on the surface, that's not the case. There are some deeply queer themes in the show as a whole, not just with Mike. The show has intentional messages and nothing is accidental. You can watch the show 20 times and still find new brilliant details.

And of course, sometimes people are just straight. If Mike were a real person, I'd agree with you that sometimes queer kids fall in love with their straight best friend and that's all there is to it: there's no hidden plot twist or "It's always been you!" waiting for them. And if Mike were a real person, his behavior could absolutely fall in line with that. Something like, "It's not my fault you don't like girls" could just be homophobia and not internalized homophobia.

But Mike is NOT a real person. Mike is a fictional character who has been written in a specific way (and that way is pretty fruity). His story has always been entangled with El and Will in specific ways, and you don't NEED to go into complex color theory or analysis of set design to see this. A lot of these things are inherently queercoded, and there's a reason why people who actually study film and writing understand this and are often on the Byler side of the fandom.

If you're right, based on the way the story has been written and the way marketing has handled these characters, it would be queerbaiting on the part of the Duffers, full stop. And it would be wrong, and they would get attacked for doing something so vile in 2024... and rightfully so.

Ask yourself why the writers would randomly insert a slowburn rejection story for Will (who will be the main character in S5) into their otherwise progressive series, and it immediately becomes absurd. Be serious. Will is gonna kiss the boy in S5. You can believe Mileven will be endgame and Mike and El will ride off into the heteronormative sunrise, but that doesn't make it true.

Wow, that's a lot. Sure, I guess I see what you mean, but I still ship Mileven and believe they are ending up together. I just haven't seen anything to convince me that Mike is gay/bi and actually likes Will back.

#mileven #pro mileven #mileven is real #mileven is canon #mileven endgame #mike wheeler #straight mike #mike is straight #mike and el #mike x el #eleven #elmike #eleven hopper #el hopper #el hopper byers #eleven stranger things #stranger things #st5

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transmascwillbyers · 1 year

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Honestly, my biggest question for season 5 isn't even "is Mike queer?" anymore, it's "will byler be canon?" Because the thing is, no matter what happens in s5, Mike is queer. I don't care whether it's explicitly canon or not, there's been so much subtext across all four seasons that you cannot convince me he was not intentionally written to be a queer character. Otherwise, what was the reason for the airport hug? The blatant lies in his love confession to El? That one time when his girlfriend kissed him and he did not move and his eyes stayed open, all in front of an open closet?

Of course, he could just be straight and badly written, but I just can't believe that's a possibility at all at this point. The show has flaws, sure, but the writers are still smart. They get, y'know, paid to do their jobs. They've studied stuff like this for years of their lives. There's no way in hell that an entire team of trained professionals are going to screw up so badly, they make their lead character's arc entirely incomprehensible and ruin his character for no apparent reason. It just makes no fucking sense, and I stand by that.

So, sure, there's maybe like a 0.2% chance that milkvan is really going to be endgame in s5. But if it is- and let me be clear- I don't care. Mike has still been written to be obviously queer, imo, and if milkvan is endgame, well, that doesn't change that. He's still at least bi, because anything else literally does not make sense in the actual context of the show. Even if the writers have to come out and publicly clarify that Mike is straight, then yeah, we'd be wrong, but we wouldn't be crazy at all. Because if the writers of one of the most popular shows in the world right now have to explicitly state, "oops, our lead character isn't gay folks, we just wrote all these extremely platonic heterosexual scenes between two dudebros for giggles," someone has screwed up. And it isn't us.

So, sure. There is a very, very tiny chance that milkvan endgame will happen in s5. That being said, I also don't care anymore if that happens, because Mike is still an undeniably queer character to me. And it would be a sad outcome of his arc, and I'd hope that he and Will would eventually enter a relationship post-s5, but Mike ending up with El doesn't make him straight, it makes him a repressed queer kid from the 80s dealing with internalized homophobia. Because, stacked up against all our evidence, what seems more important? Who Mike is dating at the end of the series, or four, soon to be five, seasons worth of absolutely relentless queercoding?

In conclusion, I honestly don't care as much about what happens in s5 as I used to, because, when you look objectively at Mike's character, you'll realize we don't need an explicitly queer conclusion to his arc to validate our thoughts. There's no way that all of the coding surrounding him is accidental, and if is was, then somebody done goofed, and Stranger Things would be a show that isn't worth our time anyways. I know what Mike Wheeler is, and literally nothing can change my mind after two years in this fandom. Not one fucking thing.

#byler #mike wheeler #this probably sounds really arrogant but you know what? we deserve it atp #anyways byler endgame #mike wheeler i know what you are

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willbyersabyss · 11 months

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I think some bi Mike truthers think anytime someone tries to say gay Mike makes the most sense to the story, it's biphobia. Like they will call anything discourse bc they just don't want to see the (plentiful) gay Mike evidence on their dash.

Also I have never seen anyone post bi Mike evidence from the show 😭 it's just vibes to them. Which is whatever but like ??? don't say it's biphobia just bc you have no proof against it 😭

My unhinged take is that most bi Mike truthers are probably ex-Mlvns who are too proud to admit they were wrong about that ship 😶 or they're just on some self-insert shit

I’m going to be honest I don’t agree with anything you’re saying anon and I actually think what you’re saying is very rude.

I don’t think it’s biphobic to say gay Mike makes more sense so I somewhat agree with that but the rest… no. I’ve seen people post a lot of bi Mike evidence. While I don’t agree with their interpretation, it still exists. Also I see both gay Mike and bi Mike truthers ignore evidence of the other sides so I don’t think it’s fair to say that.

It’s kind of weird to imply that they only believe in bi Mike because they’re projecting onto Mike. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with previously shipping mlvn either… I mean I used to ship it when I was younger. I think Mike is gay now but if people see mlvn as an initial romantic relationship that just fell out of love, that’s their interpretation. Nothing is confirmed yet and while I do think more evidence points to gay Mike, bi Mike truthers should be allowed to post their interpretations without people being condescending towards them.

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44cowboycryptid44 · 2 years

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The Duffer Brothers Absolutely Queerbaited Us

Spoilers for season 4 volume 2

I’ve seen arguments on both sides. I’ve seen people defending the Duffers, saying that while things felt tone-deaf at times, they never queerbaited their audience. And I’ve seen people with complex arguments as to why we were queerbaited.

I’m not here to tell anybody they’re wrong or that their opinion is invalid. I’m just here to share mine, and I absolutely believe that the Duffer Brothers queerbaited the audience.

Before I get into my analysis, I want to offer my working definition of queerbaiting that I’m basing my arguments off of. I define queerbaiting as using a character’s implied or canonical queerness to draw queer audiences in, while mistreating those characters and handling their queerness poorly. In short, treating queer characters like currency, points, plot devices, and, shit.

Now that we have that out of the way, let’s get into my analysis, character by character.

(let it be noted that I headcanon almost every single character as queer, but for the purposes of this analysis, I’m going to be using our two canonical queer characters and our character with heavily implied queerness.)

Starting off strong, with Robin Buckley.

I was going to start off my analysis of Robin with: “Robin is our only queer character in this show who has said the words: I’m queer.” I then realized that she has never said that.

She came out. She likes women. She has a crush on a girl. But she has never once said the word gay or lesbian. Do with that what you will.

It rubs me the wrong way that the storylines of the queer characters in this show (specifically season 4) entirely revolve around them being queer. While the straight characters have complex storylines with internal and external conflict, completely separate from their sexuality, the queer characters have storylines about being queer. Which. Being queer is a huge part of a person’s story. But it is not the only part of a person’s story. Queer people are full people. And the show doesn’t treat them like that.

Robin had a nice coming out scene, and I actually had hope for how her character would be handled this season. But it was almost all about her queerness. It wasn’t explored in depth, it was a cheap joke and quick way to get inclusivity points without actually treating the queer characters like actual humans.

In my opinion, pulling fans in with a canonically queer character and then minimizing their story and experience, effectively taking away their humanity by treating them completely different than the straight characters, and making their queerness a cheap joke is queerbaiting.

Now that we have that covered, I want to talk about the other canonically queer character, Will Byers. And there is a lot to talk about.

Will isn’t out. There’s nothing but implications. And there’s nothing wrong with not being out. But with how much his sexuality was hinted at, and how much it was talked about in promotion for season 4, I had hoped they would do. Well. Anything with it. Anything other than what they did, which was use a queer character’s existence and queerness to further the story of a straight couple.

(side note: I’m not at all opposed to the idea of Mike being bi or gay, and being bisexual in a relationship with someone of the opposite gender identity doesn’t take away from your bisexuality at all. Whether or not Mike and El are heterosexual is not the point here, the point is that the relationship is between a man and a woman [i feel like a homophobe typing a man and a woman. ew. im sorry], and I don’t mean to refer to either of them as heterosexual just because they’re in a straight passing relationship)

Will’s queerness was a huge talking point in interviews and all throughout the internet as they prepared for the release of volume 2. But... the existence of his queerness fell so flat. His big emotional scene furthered mileven. His other big emotional scene was interrupted by mileven.

Once again, we have a character whose queerness is used to bring audience members in and then thrown aside. Just this time, we got the added bonus of using the existence of queer people to enrich the existence of straight people and then throwing the queer people aside! Yay! /s

Finally, Eddie Munson. I’ll link a post with a good analysis of Eddie’s queerness because I think they can explain it better than I could. But I do truly believe his queerness is hinted at enough to put him on this list.

Because Eddie isn’t canonically queer, he doesn’t have any scenes about being queer, so I don’t have as much to work off of here. But I’ll just say this. The show gave us a character, heavily implied that he was queer, gave him a story that a lot of queer people could relate to (well, some aspects of it. not so much the monsters) had him further Steve’s relationship with Nancy, and then killed him.

There’s nothing I can say about how shitty this is that I haven’t already said. But it is undeniably shitty.

The Duffer brothers continuously use queer characters for inclusivity points, for furthering the experience of the straight characters, for cheap jokes, and for drawing in queer audience members, and then they throw them aside. There’s no good reason for it. Just. Just give your queer characters rich and complex experiences and stories just like you do your straight characters. Please.

That’s my analysis. If you’ve read this far, thank you so much for listening to me! Here is the post that I mentioned- it has some really good details that I think prove that Eddie is definitely a bit fruity:

https://www.tumblr.com/blog/view/welcome-to-hellfire/688148628072726528?source=share

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zenon-karr · 2 years

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So I promise I won’t bring up other ships like destiel or johnlock (I wasn’t destiel but I was TJLC) This isn’t negativity! I promise! But I’m going to just say the biggest glaring difference between them and byler if anyone is worried about delusions or whatever is that we knew Will is gay from character description. From the get go you had Moffiss denying and having writers deny Dean is bi. Sadly. Part of losing in johnlock was having to admit I was wrong. It’s helped me heal and now I just enjoy them for fun instead of being hurt but neither here or there - but with Byler it is different.

We knew Will is gay before Byler was analyzed. It’s always been open to interpretation at the very least. So I will say that I truthed since season 2 but because I was on the look out on how Will was going to be represented as gay. When the hand touch happened I was very shocked. I just noticed it. I wouldn’t have thought much of it if Will wasn’t supposed to be a gay character. I don’t know if anyone else has this experience. But this was mine. People just noticed this in an academic way or from Doylist POV. However MOST people flocked to Byler AFTER s4. And this for non Bylers since people weren’t here is most Byler truthing and the following from AFTER Will is confirmed canonically in love with Mike. The following is coming from their own canon. Not our interpretations of canon. It’s coming from the fact no matter what anti Bylers will say - there’s a chance since they did not shut it down either outside or inside the show. There are many possibilities such as Mike loving two people at the same time. That’s very simple? It doesn’t have to be gay Mike or whatever - it can be. There’s also nothing wrong with that: he can be confused between them! There’s so much hostility against this like we are delusional when it’s not really a stretch to say it can be canon. There’s not what you would call a ‘conspiracy’ amongst lying cast members. They all say ‘I don’t know’, I hope so or positive things. The other two on the other hand the writers and show runners didn’t even support queer readings on those characters. I mean it sucks I don’t mean as derogatory but with byler they never shut it down. FYI I don’t mean conspiracy theory derogatory I was tjlc! I understand. However this much different I didn’t really ship it first I kinda just truthed it and when I truthed it I shipped it? If that makes sense? I was like oh OH? when the hand touch happened in Dig Dug. In fact I shipped mileven first (then they got annoying and I didn’t like they had Mike give up his interest or it felt like he wasn’t acting himself) this all being said I support whatever y’all want to ship even if I don’t ship it!! Even if you also like mileven that’s cool with me. I just don’t care for homophobia and being antagonistic. 💚💚💚✨🫶🏻 much love from an OG Byler to the new fandom!

I’m just thinking of this post with the inevitable we’re the new destiels when we pass the ship so I feel like I should say something now. Coz I know we aren’t this or TJLC (these came before anything was even canonized) I just feel like it will be inevitable to see these posts if or when we pass the tag and I’m sorta not looking forward to it 😬 but we knew Will is gay before we even saw Byler so we all were looking for what is the way he will so we knew at the very least he would be gay which gave us a heads up to look out for them when they touched hands. It’s just different from the rest of the group and that is especially canon now. Don’t let people tell you you’re crazy and antagonize you! Sorry for the long post but I felt it it tonight and while I love this ship is HUGE now I fear people will be toxic and compare. I hope I’m wrong but there are some facts in here but it boils down to people believed in these when they said no (not anything wrong w that) whereas people are truthing because they’re canonized at least on Will’s part and there’s no delusion on that. It just doesn’t seem likely they will build something up since s1 for it to be unrequited and just for Will to end up with someone else that they coulda just had him be in love with this season and to build up to for s5. I know people will say they won’t do that to mileven they’ve been building up but I don’t know why they’d build this up to go up against a couple like them if they’re endgame. It just doesn’t add up. Why set it up for queer fans to be humiliated this way because of their canon drawing people here - not us. The Duffers sent most of you here because of what they wrote. We didn’t just make up Will loves Mike and it’s not even canon. They wrote this! It’s canon - it happened! It’s not taking some ambiguous things and saying it’s canon. Will is in love with Mike and the show did not tell you how Mike feels about that! Mike loving El is a separate point entirely and doesn’t disprove Mike loves Will. My point is we have reasons to believe it’s gonna happen and it’s requited. Sorry for the rambly long post I hope I made sense and didn’t seem rude or derogatory. But I just worry we could get flooded with these comment when or if we pass the destiel tag on followers. I hope we can just block them if so and not get discouraged or fight them. Let’s be different to other fandoms. This isn’t anti destiel or johnlock obviously. Anyway happy shipping 🫶🏻✨💚💚💚

#byler

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wontbyers · 1 year

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i mean, on one hand i agree with people saying there’s no need for discourse on gay mike vs bi mike because byler is going to be endgame either way so we don’t technically need an answer to that question, but on the other hand--what, we’re not allowed to care about mike wheeler as an individual, part of which is his sexuality and his arc of accepting himself for that identity?

while we share some experiences, there is a difference in the experience of being a gay person or a bisexual person, and there’s nothing wrong with people hoping that the story will delve into/address mike’s identity, both as it relates to his relationships with el and will (two of the main/most-focused-on relationships in the show!) and regardless of them, because mike does have an orientation no matter who he dates, and doesn’t he deserve to be known and understood the same way we’ve been granted for will and robin?

of course people shouldn’t look or speak down on others who have a different interpretation, no matter how obvious/inarguable you think yours is, but there’s nothing wrong with people discussing and presenting the evidence of their side. whether the show ends up confirming one or another or leaving it up to interpretation, it’s still never going to be a waste of time to talk about, or something that “doesn’t matter.”

it matters for mike. whether the show gives us that or not for him as a character, he as a person would still need to address that in his own life? and then, even if the answer ends up being “i’m not quite sure what my sexuality is” or “it’s fluid” or “i don’t want a label” that’s still going to be the result of mike’s internal analysis of his feelings.

so that’s still part of the very same debate about his sexuality--there is no being outside of it as long as you believe mike loves will, because you agree he is not straight, so your opinion that he'll stay unlabeled is just the 3rd possible option for the outcome of the story (confirmed gay, confirmed bi, neither being confirmed), and not actually staying neutral of the gay vs bi discourse you believe you’re above.

#gay mike wheeler #bisexual mike wheeler #unlabeled mike wheeler #i tend to favor the gay mike interpretation based on the analyses ive read #but im still keeping my mind open to bi mike #and because i wouldnt be so confident in my opinion until s5 proves it i would write unlabeled mike in fanfics tbhhh #i do hope they'll address his sexuality next season #he's in the center of a love triangle with the 2 main characters like #their relationships have been a centerpiece of the entire show #whether he was genuinely romantically in love with el or not kinda DOES matter #if they leave it ambiguous it would feel sort of...idk #but thats not me being against ppl who dont like to use labels #if mike himself decides to stay unlabelled thats his thing and i support #i just need people to stop saying ppl SHOUDLNT talk about mike being gay or bi #that it doesn't matter either way #because it honestly does #im bisexual i can relate to lesbians on attraction to girls but not on the lack of attraction to men #being gay and bi is a different life experience and it does affect mike #in terms of homophobia and biphobia (internal and external) he'll go through #etc etc etc

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beepboop358 · 2 years

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Hello :)

You know I really don’t believe in byler being endgame ( I love byler btw it’s my fav ship ) because of mileven . I don’t like mileven but it just feels like they are endgame and that’s actually somehow sad because it’s like always the same thing : Main boy and main girl get together and they are endgame … that’s it

But what makes me even more sad is that the duffers have made so many byler moments that are too romantic to be just friendship . But I don’t think that they just make mileven break up and mike gay ( or bi or pan etc )after developing their relationship every season . I know there is a lot of evidence that they ( mike and will ) get together but what if we just interpret it wrong or something? Also I think the duffers know how many viewers they would lose if they make mileven break up and byler is way too good to be an actual ship :( 😂 I guess we just have to wait for season 4

( btw that’s no hate to you (or mileven shippers)I really love all of your blogs 💗)

Hey anon!

I don't think we will see the stereotypical boy and girl ending with mileven in Stranger Things. Stranger Things is strictly an ensemble cast, no one is the main girl or main boy. The fan base has kind of just decided that Mike and El are the "main characters", when that's not what the show says.

I did a longer post about why we don't have to worry about the writers pandering to heteronormativity with mileven that might give you a little reassurance that they won't make Mike & El end up together simply for the fact that they are a straight couple, people like their characters & expect them to get back together & stay together, etc. I don't think we are interpreting byler clues wrong. All of the byler evidence so far has been designed to be clues for byler, and they don't point to anything else. The Duffers, writers, set designers, costume designers, etc., everyone works together to create these details, and everyone is on the same page, it's just how productions work :) And if they don't work that way, you can very much tell because nothing on screen will be cohesive and no clear message will come across and everything will seem like an absolute mess LOL, which isn't the case with stranger things.

I think the Duffers are slightly frustrated with the fan response they got from Mileven in seasons 2 and 3. There are a lot of mileven disses EVERYWHERE in the show (especially in s2 and s3) & viewers seemed to ignore them entirely, but the Duffers just kept stating in interviews how Mileven was an obsessive first crush, etc. And as far as their development, there is barely any. They knew each other a week, then El was gone for a year, then she comes back for a few months, hiding in Hopper's cabin and then bam s3. They hardly know each other really.

I don't think they are worried about loosing viewers if they don't comply to what people what with mileven. They've been very clear about the fact that mileven is not the focus of the show. Besides, there are millions of people who watch ST, and hardcore mileven shippers are not the majority of those viewers. Most people who watch the show don't watch it FOR mileven, they watch it for other reasons. I've talked about ST with some of my older relatives/family friends, and with some of my friends as well and they don't seem to care at all what happens to Mileven's romantic relationship in the show, and most of the show's viewers are adults, who are not just watching the show for a relationship between 2 minors (if they were it would be incredibly creepy) Most people who watch the show ONLY for Mike & El are younger, and there are less viewers of that age range. And Mike & El already broke up, which people seem to ignore somehow?? They never officially got back together in s3, they're still broken up from what we've seen...

In conclusion, we're getting Byler <3 We just have to wait it out because they're playing the long game with them :) I agree with you that they are like a perfect ship!

Thanks for the ask! I hope you're well xx

#stranger things #byler #byeler #mike wheeler is gay #will byers is gay #stranger things 4 #stranger things season 4 #st4 theory #stranger things obsessed #mike x will #will x mike #mike wheeler x will byers #will byers x mike wheeler #stranger things 4 spoilers #stranger things theory #stranger things analysis #stranger things meta #stranger things season four #st4

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erectionsandtea · 3 years

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I was bored so I started trying to line up the IT characters with the ST characters, here's what I figured:

Bill Denbrough

↳ Mike Wheeler

Reasons: The leader. Passionate. Determined. Also a stubborn little bitch. Could be bad if they really tried, lol. In love, but with whom, it's unclear. Also kind of a dumbass. Would die for you, literally, he tried to sacrifice himself at least once. At least bi, if not full-on gay.

↳ Joyce Byers

Reasons: Believer from the start. Will never give up on you. At first, most of her time is spent looking for missing family member.

Stanley Uris

↳ Max Mayfield

Reasons: Sarcastic af. Deadpan sense of humor. Resting bitch face. Could out-sass everyone. Eye-rolling. So done with you.

↳ Lucas Sinclair

Reasons: Realist. "What are we doing?" "Why are we here?" "This is stupid." Didn't believe in any of it at first. Screams like a girl. If any party member was going to be irrationally scared of a painting...I feel like it would be Lucas. Maybe Dustin, lol.

Eddie Kaspbrak

↳ El Hopper

Reasons: Sheltered early life. Lied to and/or misled by an abusive and manipulative parental figure. Eventually stands up to said parent and chooses friends over this so-called "family". "Papa"/"Mama" & "Mommy", 'nuff said. So much emotion/power in such tiny body. Will rage, seriously, they are the scariest and most intimidating person when angry. Shortest in the group. Love interest for the lanky, dark-haired idiot played by Finn Wolfhard.

↳ Will Byers

Reasons: Gay af. Only male in the group who can rock short-shorts and a fanny pack. Raised primarily by mother, due to either dead or absent father. Also the love interest for the lanky, dark-haired idiot played by Finn Wolfhard, whom he loves back for some unknown reason. XD

Richie Tozier

↳ Steve Harrington

Reasons: Doofus. Big hair. Thinks he's smoother with the ladies than he really is. Actually a huge dork. Talks big, but is not as confident as he pretends to be. A little self-deprecating.

↳ Jim Hopper

Reasons: Self-loathing. Comes off as a little bit of an asshole, but is, in actuality, caring, sensitive, and very protective of his loved ones.

Beverly Marsh

↳ Nancy Wheeler

Reasons: Doesn't look all that intimidating, but can and will kick your ass. Obviously the coolest, toughest, and most badass group member. Falsely labeled as a slut. Has a bad father. Is treated badly by other men in town. I see Bev as the loser most likely to know how to fire a gun. Maybe Bill.

↳ Robin Buckley

Reasons: Most upbeat. Most calm in a bad situation, she can keep a clear head. Will affectionately call you names, like "doofus" or "loser." Probably the smartest person in the room, lbr. Has literally looked death/danger in the face and pissed it off-either by laughing, not being intimidated, or just basically being like "fuck you." Definitely a little gay.

Ben Hanscom

↳ Dustin Henderson

Reasons: Will talk about things he knows, at length, if you let him. Likes books and libraries. Thinks science and/or history is cool. Nerd.

↳ Jonathan Byers

Reasons: Quiet. Crushing from afar. Probably awkward at parties, lol. Artistic soul. Good taste in music.

Mike Hanlon

↳ Will Byers

Reasons: Most underdeveloped and underused character in the group. Deserves only good things bc he literally did nothing wrong. Missing at least one parent. Has deeper knowledge and/or connection with the villainous, other-worldly creature. Normally soft-spoken until you piss him off.

↳ Murray Bauman

Reasons: Does a lot of research in his small living space. Actually has a clue about what the fuck is going on in this crazy town and knows the town's history. Smart, can figure out what the bad guys are up to, and how to defeat or just elude them. Has everyone's information, lolll.

Henry Bowers

↳ Billy Hargrove

Reasons: Asshole. Bully. Mullet. Abusive father. Dies a well-deserved death.

Georgie Denbrough

↳ Barb Holland/Benny Hammond/Bob Newby: Superhero

Reasons: Loved by all, hated by none. A bit naïve. Didn't deserve death, only killed off to progress the plot for at least one of the main characters.

Pennywise

↳ Demogorgon/Mind-Flayer

Reasons: Raging interdimensional asshole, consistently defeated by children.

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i am a mileven truther, but recently i have been seeing why maybe it isnt so good, i do believe will is obviously gay, but i believe mike is straight

i could ship byler, but i genuinely think mike is straight

so tell me why i should believe mike is not straight

convince me

Hello! I am glad you are here and are curious about it!

I will point you out to

my bi!Mike power point

where you can find out what I think is happening in the show and all the proof, I think Mike is bi, he was attracted to El in the first seasons but is now attracted to Will and dealing with feelings of confusion 😊

you can also find the original byler power point

here

where there is more detail into all the little things that could be queercoding for foreshadowing Byler endgame!

but in the end the proof I think is more compelling is how the narrative is written for the characters and how much time they make Mike & Will spend together in the show and have heart to hearts instead of Mike & El, I think that if mileven was going to be the endgame ship they have done everything wrong for them and haven't shown them really being in love in the show, you only need to compare how the other relationships like Lumax, jancy and jopper are very different from how they wrote Mike x El in the show to see that they are probably not going to be the endgame ship for Mike!

they also put this precise parallel in the show and it wouldn't make any sense to purposefully write it in the show if it meant nothing

this is how Finn decided to act in the van scene while looking at Will and listening to Will talk about his own feelings for Mike, even if Mike is confused and thinks that those are El's feelings they are not, not entirely!

Mike has fallen in love with those words and Will lying about the painting in that way is a writing choice that is the same used in the movie IT with the couple Ben and Beverly and it is such a big lie that it can't be put there and not come out eventually...

Also they put these moments between them in the show and it wouldn't make sense if it wasn't to build a romance imo

+ they didn't show El responding to Mike's I love you after the monologue and even made her look weirdly at Mike... why are there still problems between them at this point? there is something else going on...

they also filmed the monologue with Will in frame when Mike says "i love you" ... that is an intentional choice that makes the moment between Mike and El very very weird... and for the whole speech Mike was told by Will to initiate it, he didn’t do it on his own... that's another choice of the writers

if byler is not the endgame couple they fucked up mileven so bad that if I was a mileven shipper I would be furious!

Also they queercoded Will in the previous seasons to show that he was queer secretly... like there is a rainbow in Will's Ghostbusters costume and he's the only one with the rainbow, they make Joyce talk about the rainbow ship he drew when he was little, there is also a rainbow when he destroys Castle Byers in s3... there is a girl with a rainbow belt behind him at rink o mania

and are doing the same thing for Mike putting him constantly near rainbows (LGBT symbol) and near open closets ( there is the saying "to come out of the closet") with one way sign because Mike stays in the closet this season imo... there is also a rainbow line connecting Will and Mike in the van scene!

they also used a rainbow for Vickie that is confirmed to be bisexual by the actress playing her and that is going to be with Robin next season :)

anyway there is much more in the power points and I hope you take the time to look at them!! Also in my pinned post in the blog you can find many other parallels and stuff!! :)

I think it's fun :)

#byler #will byers #mike wheeler #ask #byler proof

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karlajoyner · 3 years

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Stressed Out (Sunset Curve x Reader)

A/n: So starting off I've made a master list that I'm posting real soon for you all to access my stories without the scrolling. In order to post it I have to update my post about my requests/taglist and soon because I do get a lot on that comments that ask for more Charlie or more Owen and I wanna give you guys that but I also wanna make sure that I get through the requests that you guys send me with plots and storylines. It just makes it like a thousand times easier to have something to work off of. Opposed to me coming up with my own storylines that I have to do a lot of reading on my own to get my gears working! But again thank you guys for the comments! And finally I wanna say thank you for sending in your requests and your feed back. It is much appreciated!

Disclaimer: Alex is bi in this one not taking away from the fact that he's gay in the show it just runs best for this storyline! There is no Bobby btw! Haven’t written a foursome with 3 guys before so it might suck ass. And it’s not much but it’s something so enjoy my fellow fantoms!

Warnings: Smut (18+)

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I internally groaned walking into school. I wasn't the worst student. But by far I certainly was not the best. Which is why I had a reputation since I first arrived to high school.

That and I was in a band with 3 of my best friends. Who all happened to be guys. Hot guys at that.

Which automatically made me the schools slut. It was fine with me but the boys didn't like the label.

No matter how true it was.

"Hey y/n heard you gave Mike Dawson a blowjob this weekend. Just when I thought you couldn't be anymore of a slut"

"Mind your fucking business Hayley" I heard a familiar voice speak up for me. A smirk spreading on my face as I felt an arm wrap around my shoulder.

"Did she come to you right after Patterson? What's it like to be her sloppy seconds?" Hayley Becker spoke with a wicked evil smirk plastered on her face.

"Fucking amazing actually. God the long nights we have. It's so great" I heard another familiar voice from my left. A large hand intertwining my fingers with theirs. She rolled her eyes clearly not expecting my boys to speak up for me. But then again neither was I.

"Slut"

"Skank"

"Whore"

"Bitch" I spoke as the bell rang.

"Just watch your back y/l/n" She said before turning around and walking away.

"She will!" Reggie shouted after the dark haired girl. The three of us expectantly looking at our bandmate.

"What? I didn't even get to tell her we would too" I sighed shaking my head at the boy.

"Thanks for sticking up for me guys but I can do that myself"

"We know. But your our girl. And apart of this band so we're kinda obligated" Alex spoke as the four of us walked to first period.

"Your really not"

"Come on y/n you know we're still gonna do it"

"I know and I only let you today cause I can't deal with that bitch at this time of day. I mean seriously it's 8:00 o'clock in the morning. Does she not have anything better to do than spread rumors about me?"

"Apparently not. So you and Jake Mills behind the church?" Reggie asked.

"Didn't happen considering I was with you idiots all weekend. You know your the only guys I touch" I bit my lip hearing the three of them chuckle.

"Yeah well it better stay that way. I don't wanna hear Trevor O'Connor bragging about banging you in the boys locker room again"

"Schools golden boy?" I questioned.

"He tried starting the rumor yesterday during p.e but we quickly shut it down" Reggie explained as I stopped a few feet away from the science room to continue talking.

"So Hayleys boyfriend wants to bang me? Wow"

"Yeah but don't even fucking thing about" Luke said pushing me up against the lockers beside us.

"I wasn't. Unless you guys piss me off" I grinned pushing him off of me. Opening the door a few feet away and walking in.

"Gentlemen. And Ms. y/l/n. Your late"

"Sorry Mrs. Daniels we had to deal with something"

"And did this something give you tardy passes"

"It did not"

"Detention. All of you"

"That's nothing new to them Mrs. Daniels"

"Shut the fuck up Hayley" I scoffed taking my seat beside Alex.

"Ladies stop it before I send you to the principal"

"Yes Mrs. Daniels" Hayley and I spoke in sync.

"I can't believe Luke dated her" I whispered towards Alex glaring at the blonde bimbo.

"Jealous?"

"Why would I be? I already have him. And I could have her boyfriend too if I wanted him" I said taking down the notes on the board.

"Mrs. Daniels I can't focus on the lesson because they're distracting me with their talking" Hayley spoke pointing an accusing finger at us.

"We are not!" I shouted sitting up.

"Yes you are probably talking about who your gonna whore around with next"

"Yeah it's your boyfriend if you don't check yourself Hayley"

"Trevor would never do that!"

"I'm pretty sure he would"

"Ladies principal office right now" I scoffed standing up.

"Wait!" Luke shouted standing up. Everyone's heads whipping toward him. He made his way over to me groping my left boob.

I scowled at how hard he squeezed glaring at him.

"Dickhead" I muttered.

"Mr. Patterson! You too principals office" We looked at the other two boys expectantly. Alex immediately rolling his eyes before standing up.

"We could do this the easy way or the hard way Mrs. Daniels"

"If she goes we go"

"I cannot send you two away for absolutely no reason Reginald" Mrs. Daniels spoke challenging the boys.

I close my eyes preparing myself for what came next. Alex was quick to slap my ass while Reggie pulled me in for a sweet kiss. Immediately earning gasps from my classmates.

"Now I can do it. Office all of you! And detention today after school!"

I groaned walking out of the principals office with my bandmates.

"Detention for 3 weeks. Seriously?"

"To make it worse we have to spend 2 of those with Hayley" I spoke seeing the blonde talking with Trevor just a few feet away. Being sure to send them a harsh glare, I finally turned back to the boys.

"Hey you'll be with us everything's gonna be fine" Reggie said throwing an arm around my shoulder leading me away to our next period. That we conveniently had together.

"No it won't. I also have to chaperone the stupid homecoming with Hayley" I cried wanting nothing more than for the day to be done for.

That afternoon we spent in detention not leaving until late afternoon. Due to the fact that my detention went on longer than the boys.

I walked into the studio behind Luke not really in the mood to practice.

"What's wrong y/n/n? You seem down" Reggie asked as I plopped back onto the couch.

"I'm just tired is all. And a little stressed out"

"But we've gotta practice baby, for our next gig. Sunset Curves so gonna rock that book club" Luke said picking up his six string. I watched as Alex and Reggie sent him a glare, the boy immediately putting it back down.

"Or we could take a day off" He spoke coming to sit to my left while Reggie was on my right.

"That sounds amazing" I mumbled feeling Alex begin to massage my shoulders from behind. I craned my neck allowing him more access. Now feeling a little more relaxed than before.

"So tell us y/n/n why are you stressed out?" Luke asked as I shut my eyes.

"Well for starters I'm so gonna get my ass beat when I get home" I sighed feeling Reggie begin to rub my arm to comfort me. Something he did often with how anxious I got.

"And there's just nothing I want to do more than run your ex girlfriend over with a bulldozer" I mumbled hearing a chuckle escape their lips.

"Sounds like a plan" Alex said as Luke intertwined our fingers.

"We'll make a day out of it. Just us four and a bulldozer" He joked making me giggle. The laugh got caught in my throat as I felt a soft kiss on the side of my neck.

"Seriously guys? Not today. No way" I spoke opening my eyes.

"We just wanna help you relax"

"That's what you said last time. I couldn't walk right for 2 days" I mumbled the last part.

"We'll be gentle" Reggie spoke.

"I know you will Reg. It's them I'm worried about" I spoke earning a pointed look from Alex.

"Okay Luke"

"Am I that rough?" He asked a frown forming on his face.

"Sometimes" I admitted feeling a little bad.

"Gee I'm sorry baby" Luke spoke kissing the back of my hand.

"It's okay. I like it when I'm in the mood" I said watching as Alex walked around the couch.

"Well then boys why don't we help our girl relax for today" Alex said bending down in front of me. I bit my lip as he spread my legs open feeling a slight breeze hit my covered core.

"Well there's no need for your skirt or these" Alex spoke toying with the waistbands of both my skirt and panties.

I shimmied out of them with ease leaving me exposed to my best friends like I'd been many times before.

"She just gets prettier every time"

"And wetter"

"Mind if I taste baby?" Luke asked. I nodded my head, watching as he dipped his long fingers in between my folds. Moaning as he pulled them back up to see them glistening with my cum.

"So good" He whispered putting them in his mouth.

"Okay I want a taste now" Alex said opening my legs a little wider.

"Guys. A little help" I huffed as Luke and Reggie hooked themselves on each of my thighs to keep me still.

"Please" I begged getting more turned on by the second. The blonde didn't hesitate to latch onto my core. A loud moan escaping my lips.

"Oh fuck" I struggled to keep still as he moved his tongue skillfully through my folds. Lapping it inside and out as moans fell from my lips.

I whimpered as Reggie slowly began to rub my clit making the pleasure intensify.

"Use y-you're f-fingers" I mustered out Alex obeying my request sticking two fingers in my wet pussy. Picking up the pace. My eyes screwed shut as a familiar feeling of bliss coursed through me.

"Look at me baby" Luke muttered turning my head to look at him with his free hand. I opened my eyes looking into his blue ones covered with complete lust.

He was quick to smash his lips onto mine as the other two worked on building up my orgasm. Which wasn't far at the pace Alex was working on me.

"Holy shit!" I panted pulling away and throwing my head back at the amazing sensation of my orgasm hitting.

"You squirted princess" Alex grinned wiping away the liquids dribbling down his chin. I giggled at his swollen pink lips placing a quick peck to them.

"What now baby?" Luke asked rubbing his hand on my thigh.

I looked at the three boys before discarding any remaining clothes I had left. Watching as their eyes raked me up and down like many times before.

"Reg can you just fuck me today. I really need gentle" I begged as his cheeks turned bright red whenever I asked him to do something. Whether it was sexual or not.

"Sure beautiful" He smiled lopsidedly pushing his lips onto mine.

I sighed in content as he pushed me down on the couch. My head landing on Luke's lap giving me a little leverage.

"She's something else" Alex spoke to no one in particular.

"Your telling me" Reggie panted pulling away to undo his belt and jeans. I bit my lip looking up at the boy with the blue eyes. Who no surprise had a smirk plastered on his face.

"Condom" I heard Alex say presumably to Reggie. But I was too entrance in Luke's gaze wanting to include him. Upon hearing a ripping of a package I glance back at the boy who was hovering above me.

"I can do something for you after if you want" I bit my lip speaking towards Luke.

"It's okay baby. It's about you today" He said moving his hand down from my collarbone to my boob.

Reggie and I moaned simultaneously as he slowly entered me. Immediately stretching me out.

"So tight" He muttered beginning to move at a steady pace.

A squeal escaping my lips as Luke pinched my nipples paying close attention to each of them. He'd always been a boob guy.

I pulled Reggie down towards me our lips meeting in the middle as his speed began to increase.

Then there they were again. Fingers were now rubbing circles on my clit presumably Alex's sending my body into pure ecstasy.

I moaned loudly into Reggies mouth as I felt myself my inner walls clench around him. Earning a groan from the bassist. His thrust becoming more sloppy.

"Shit. Shit. Oh fuck" He cursed as his orgasm hit. Mine coming seconds after.

"Holy fuck Reg" I panted coming down from my high.

"That was pretty fucking hot princess" Alex spoke as Reggie got off of me to go throw away the condom.

"I try" I joked sitting up. Luke immediately removing his muscle tee and handing it to me.

"You do know this isn't gonna cover much up right?" I questioned him putting it on anyway.

"Who said we wanted you to cover up baby" He said pulling me under his arm. I sighed contently placing my hands on his bare torso.

"Anyways Reg why don't you go run her a bath inside the house" Alex suggested throwing me my panties that had been thrown onto the lazy boy.

"Got it!" Reggie said coming over and placing a chaste kiss to my lips before running out of the garage.

"I get to clean her up in the shower. Called it" Luke said as Alex wrapped his arms around my waist.

"Just as long as I get to put her to bed"

"Guys I've orgasmed twice today give me a break"

"Are you feeling more relaxed princess?"

Alex asked grinning at me.

"Much. Now if we could do that consistently for the next 2 weeks then I might be able to get through detention with Hayley without ripping her head off" I spoke earning a laugh from the two boys. Both of them knowing well that I wasn't joking.

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