#this is about catra but it’s also about hunter

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

can we stop the trend of putting traumatized and mentally unstable characters into romantic relationships as their “happy endings”?

#this is about catra but it’s also about hunter #THIS IS NOT WHAT THEY NEED. #they don’t need a badass girlfriend they need ✨THERAPY✨ #stop acting like romance is a cure to mental health issues #it’s such a harmful message to send to kids #again props to steven universe future for being one of the only children’s shows that actually promote therapy #steven gets with connie ofc but he also takes the necessary steps to actual healing like seeing a therapist and moving out of his hometown #anyway yeah #as a psych major this trope kills me every time #i just had to rant #spop critical #toh critical

[aerodynamic-acephalic]

i don't think there is anything more dear to me than the weird "it's not romantic, it's not sexual, but 'platonic' and 'familial' don't quite cover it" relationship between:

the edgelord who may or may not have committed several atrocities.

the ray of sunshine who has been through too many atrocities but remains a ray of sunshine regardless/in spite of it.

#THIS IS NOT A SHIP POST PLEASE DON'T EAT ME #edgeworth and maya #zuko and aang #shirou and michiru #susie and noelle #(this one is a ship [obv]) #kazuma and susato #guy and sam (green eggs and ham series) #alastor and charlie #blitzo and moxie #callum and aaron #nimona and ballister #(yes nimona is the edgelord fight me) #kwazii and peso (you can have a barnacles in your qpr; as a treat) #hunter and luz #glados and chell #patches and olive (purrfect apawcalypse) #sophie and agatha #(“bUt tHeY kIsS” shhhhh *chloroform*) #catra and adora #loid and yor #(these two are also romantic; the allos can have treats sometimes) #hanako and yashiro #(they're 13 and 15 please don't be weird about them) #narrator and stanley (the stanley parable) #undyne and alphys #(romantic) #sans and papyrus #(they're canon brothers) #miriam and kiwi (wandersong)

[nny11writes]

WiP Wednesday - Hunt Showdown AU because no one stopped me :)

Shadow Weaver was there, knelt in the turned soil. Various blooms surrounded her and a small sack of seeds lay by her side. Of course it was a bit hard to concentrate on that considering the man who was wrapped in barbed wire and half buried looked up at her and began to scream through his gag. Weaver cuffed his ear the way she’d hit Catra a thousand times as she stood and wiped her hands off on her dress.

“You hush while the living are speaking. Your chance was had.”

“Torturing for fun or profit these days?” Catra asked, mildly curious as she stepped over the man to follow her master into the shade of a large willow.

Shadow Weaver sighed heavily, shooting her a side eye as she pulled a canteen off a low branch and handed it to her. The water was blessedly cool as she spoke, “You always think the worst of me. That one there died and rose, not a grunt but not quite human either. Strange tides these days, not that you’d know having been lazing about.”

Catra snorted at that. 

“Oh yeah, nothing to do in hell all damned eternity but kick my feet up.” She screwed the cap back on and gave the canteen back. “Fine, what’s with all this nonsense then? Your hold?”

Weaver glared at her, eyes like ice. “No. But I know the mark, they call themselves infernals. I believe you had some dealings with them before you got sloppy. The Prodigal Daughter no doubt.”

Catra bit her tongue hard enough to taste blood. 

She had not been sloppy the day she died, she had been betrayed.

#catra #shadow weaver #shadow weaver's A+ parenting #casual torture for fun AND profit #hunt showdown AU #Rise up damned soul! #I do not understand the game lore enough to be doing this #big RIP for me considering I'm not even done with the damn bloodborne AU lol #apparently I got a thing for making characters suffer in the torment nexus of whichever game has me hooked atm #yes Weaver is Mama Bootylicious Maye #she is also hail mary and the archaeologist #Perfuma can be the daughter of decay it's fine it's fine it's fine! #Catra has been summoned right out of hell and neither her nor Weaver are happy about it #Catra is a human but no happy afterlife for hunters :) #I have #too many thoughts

[chronicsyd]

Me: No! Possessed Hunter is NOT “hot!” That’s a 16 year old Child being possessed by their Abuser for gods sake! 

Also me: Simps over Chipped Catra... 

#the owl house #shera #possessed hunter #chipped catra #me also me #meme #mood #i have no room to speak #simp #catras 20 its ok when i do it #catra #look shes attractive okay?! #i wont lie #but with hunter its not ok #drawing the line in the sand #its about the power #im turning into markiplier #im funny #kinda #disney #dreamworks

[spopsalt]

So… I was on the wiki. And I found this.

Here’s the video link btw.

https://youtu.be/U1627KxmKM4?feature=shared

So… In the video, they try to celebrate Adora’s 16th birthday, and say that it takes place not anywhere near here actual birthday, hence it being a surprise.

So if it’s true that every season is a year (even though S2 and S3 feel more like one season rather than two…) We can also assume Catra and Adora are around the same age, though Catra is confirmed to be younger. We’re not sure how much you her though. Could be a few months, could be a couple years. But for simplicity, let’s say they’re about the same age. We do the math, and… Here are Adora’s canonical ages.

S1-15 years old

S2-16 years old

S3-17 years old

S4-18 years old

S5-19 years old

Yikes. I always thought maybe she was about 17 in S1. But… Yeah, it’s bad. And depending how old Catra is compared to Adora, Catra could possibly be only 17 by the end, meaning she could have been a minor throughout. After all, two years isn’t that noticeable at times. Just look at ATLA and Owl House. Aang and Toph are about two (biological, I know Aang is technically 112) years younger than other characters who are about 14-15, but it’s not that noticeable. And Owl House has Hunter at 16, Willow at 14-15, Luz and Amity at 14, and Gus at 12-13. Apart from Gus, they all look to be the same age. So like I said, Catra could be a few years younger. And that’s not even getting into the fact we don’t have a frame of reference for any of the other characters besides Frosta. (Just think, Frosta is the same age at the end of the show that Adora was at the beginning!) And again, I personally would like to think S2 and S3 are the same year since they feel like the same season and we’re released in relatively close proximity iirc, so I’d personally like to adjust the age timeline by about a year, ending it at 18. But that’s me, so it’s whatever. My point is, after all this time we finally have a canonical age for Adora. And buddy, it’s not looking pretty for all the creepy fans. But it never really was pretty with those creeps.

That makes it worse- Here I was thinking them being 17 in season one was bad, but nope! Turns out they were teenagers for the majority of the show! What is with Catradora fans and sexualizing minors? I don't get it, why can't they just like a ship without sexualizing it for 2 seconds especially when it turns out the people in said ship are teenagers for the majority of the show?

#spop salt #anti spop #spop critical #spop discourse #spop crit #anti catra #spop criticism #antic//a #anti catradora #anti c//a

[anti-spop]

ppl make comparisons between hunter (toh) and catra, but personally i think it makes more sense to compare him with adora.

hunter was also brainwashed into believing he was doing smth good. hunter was the prodigy, the golden guard. but eventually he realizes his entire life was a lie and he runs away. he's also haunted by his origins once he finds out the grim details. not to mention both hunter and adora were, in a way, possessed/corrupted by their abusers (which catra does to adora in s2).

while i definitely don't think h/untlow is as bad as c//a, i do believe it was badly written and in turn it never solved hunter's identity issues bc he had to save willow (a character who was definitely done dirty as well). he ended up looking like another caleb even though we never see him processing it all. similarly, adora's entire character arc of finding out about her bio family is dropped in s5 so they could push c//a.

when i look at all of this, i srsly could never compare hunter to catra. hunter may be snarky but even before his redemption, he was never as terrible as catra. i would say she's more like belos than anything.

#i post #spop critical #i'm scared of tagging anything toh related bc i don't want to get hate lol

[kraviolis]

In your little lamb AU is Hunter's relationship with Belos different? I can see that Hunter is severely punished when he disregards the role of protector (Due to Belos's grudge to Caleb) but aside from that is he treated any differently?

i love belos & hunter's dynamic in my au honestly. i've compared it before to catra & shadow weaver's, but its actually more complicated than that because shadow weaver actually did care about catra herself in a weird, fucked up way.

but belos only cares about hunter in relation to his bond with luz. the only reason hunter is actually treated with more care and concern in this au is because belos knows luz would be upset if anything happened to him. the best part is that hunter? 100% aware of this.

it's my headcanon that belos has been raising hunter since infancy despite all the previous grimwalkers being at least 12+ years old before being exhumed and hunter being dug up early was an accident turned into an experiment of belos seeing if hunter would be more loyal and capable than the others.

so hunter grew up actually feeling wanted & loved by his uncle, but also starving for real bond and affection from him. he puts himself on a pedestal in hunter's mind with careful wording and specific choices. in canon, this leads to hunter clinging to any scrap of affection thrown his way and feeling disconnected from his uncle but also exceptionally desperate to prove himself due to his hero-worship of the man.

in my little lamb au, however, this process is completely scrapped the second he decides to bring luz into the picture. you're right that belos would be exceedingly harsh on hunter for anything he perceives as hunter disregarding his role as luz's protector. but also, hunter doesn't often give belos the chance to find discrepencies there.

hunter adores luz. luz shows hunter very early on that affection and love and care from family can be given easily and unconditionally. he learns from her that he doesn't NEED to prove himself to belos just to feel wanted. luz makes him feel wanted all on her own. so it's not belos's pressuring that makes hunter really step into the role of protecting and taking care of luz full time, it's his love for luz herself.

belos & hunter are both aware that the other knows what they're doing. there's a shaky mutual understanding between them. hunter understands to be quiet and do what he's told and belos understands not to do anything that would upset luz.

and of course hunter still somewhat hero-worships belos-- he's still suuuuper brainwashed and wants that approval that he's doing a good job, but he also understands that belos cares about luz far, far more that he'll ever care about him. and hunter is honestly... pretty okay with that.

he's also a little more secure in his role as golden guard because luz would blow tf up at belos if he tried replacing hunter with anyone else. (luz is the only person who can yell at belos and actually get away with it. he doesn't bend to her in those moments but... think more of his reaction in canon when she broke his mask.)

but once luz runs away for good... hunter begins to crack under the pressure of having all of belos's attention on him for once. and especially because of how fucking angry belos is when luz is gone.

#qna #anonymous #little lamb au #toh

[catpeople-tournament-2023]

WELCOME TO THE CATFIGHT

This is a tournament bracket run by @softichill dedicated to catpeople characters and characters with (almost) all forms of kittycat swag!!!!

The main tournament is over, and Nepeta has won!!! However, there's a bonus round ready if you still wanna get your vote in!!!

Submissions are now closed!! The rules will stay up tho for anyone curious abt how each character was chosen

No characters that are just talking cats (so no warrior cats, Judds, or any talking cat that walks on four legs)

Can have cat ears + a tail, be dressed similarly to a cat or w/ a cat theme, or be a fully anthro/furry cat

Can't be your oc sorry :(

Also; please be nice!! I know it's fun to get excited about characters but that's no excuse to be tearing each other up. This is all just for fun

Characters that are already here are under the cut!!

Nepeta Leijon (Homestuck)

Diona (Genshin Impact) (OUT)

Neferpitou (Hunter x Hunter) (OUT)

Kitty Cheshire (Ever After High) (OUT)

Cat Noir (Miraculous Ladybug) (OUT)

Nekomura Iroha (Vocaloid) (OUT)

Captain Amelia (Treasure Planet) (OUT)

Clawroline (Kirby) (OUT)

Magolor (Kirby) (OUT)

Blaze the Cat (Sonic) (OUT)

Seam (Deltarune) (OUT)

Candy the Cat (Five Nights at Candy's) (OUT)

Valerie Oberlin (monster prom) (OUT)

Toralei Stripe (Monster High) (OUT)

Kitty Katswell (TUFF Puppy) (OUT)

Ranulf (Fire Emblem) (OUT)

Saturn (Pokemon) (OUT)

Catwoman (DC Comics) (OUT)

Neil (Dreamtale comic) (OUT)

Wild Wild Pussycats (My Hero Academia) (OUT)

Kyo Sohma (Fruits Basket) (OUT)

Catra (She-Ra and the Princess of Power) (OUT)

Lady Bernkastel (Umineko) (OUT)

Nia (Xenoblade Chronicles 2) (OUT)

Black Cat (Marvel) (OUT)

Kawaii-chan (Aphmau Minecraft Diaries) (OUT)

Jake's human (warrior cats) (the only exception) (OUT)

Mad Mew Mew (Undertale) (OUT)

Che'nya (Twisted Wonderland) (OUT)

Ichigo Momomiya (Tokyo Mew Mew) (OUT)

Niko (oneshot) (OUT)

Morgana (Persona 5) (OUT)

NECO ARC

#catpeople tournament 2023 #catbracket #<- alt tag for the competition!! #bracket

[thestargayzingetherian]

Darkness Among The Stars - Chapter 1

https://archiveofourown.org/works/52323895/chapters/132365494 Chapters: 1/? Fandom: She-Ra and the Princesses of Power (2018) Rating: Explicit Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence Relationships: Adora/Catra (She-Ra), Bow/Glimmer (She-Ra), Perfuma/Scorpia (She-Ra), Mermista/Sea Hawk (She-Ra), Entrapta/Hordak (She-Ra), Adora/Perfuma (She-Ra), Bow/Perfuma (She-Ra), Adora (She-Ra)/Evil-Lyn (He-Man), Adora/Perfuma/Evil-Lyn Characters: Adora (She-Ra), Catra (She-Ra), Bow (She-Ra), Glimmer (She-Ra), Perfuma (She-Ra), Hordak (She-Ra), Evil-Lyn (He-Man), Mermista (She-Ra), Sea Hawk (She-Ra), Scorpia (She-Ra), Netossa (She-Ra), Spinnerella (She-Ra), Frosta (She-Ra), Mara (She-Ra), Huntara (She-Ra), Shadow Weaver | Light Spinner (She-Ra), Rattlor (He-Man), Grizzlor (She-Ra), Melog (She-Ra) Additional Tags: Alternate Universe - Science Fiction, Science Fiction, Alternate Universe - Space, Space Opera, Alternate Universe - Space Opera, Space Stations, Spaceships, Bounty Hunters, Alternate Universe - Bounty Hunters, Bounty Hunter Adora (She-Ra), Trans Adora (She-Ra), inspired by mass effect, Inspired By Independence Day, Aliens, Polyamorous Character, Hook-Up, Polyamorous Perfuma, nightclubs, Angst, Action/Adventure, Blood and Gore, Superpowers, Adora is basically space Wolverine mixed with venom and Prototype, slow ish burn, Smut, Threesome - F/F/F, Catra & Scorpia Friendship (She-Ra), Trans Female Character, Adora Has a Penis (She-Ra) Series: Part 3 of She-Ra: No Matter The Universe Summary: Adora Darkstar is one of the most renowned bounty hunters in the galaxy, for her noble nature and wanting to see justice in a lawless part of the galaxy… and also because she's a living killing machine hell bent on finding the monster who ruined her life. After receiving a tip that her worst enemy is on the space station Despondos, Adora finds more questions than awnsers about her past… and a strange alien catgirl who crosses her path. Little do either of them realise that what lies ahead of them could very well change the galaxy forever. (Catradora, Sci-Fi Space Opera AU)

#catradora #Adora #Catra #She-Ra #Spop #Fanficition #Sci-Fi AU #Bow #Perfuma #Huntara #Angst #Action

[idleglowingpixels]

talk about Collector

WHYYYYYYYYYY okay now that I got that off my chest let's get serious LMAO

Before I dive in too deep, to any other ppl reading, THIS IS YOUR FAIR WARNING IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ ANY CRITICISM OF TOH. Something that is really apparent in this fandom particularly is that a lot of ppl refuse to allow and accept genuine criticism discussions, dumbing it down to personal biases, misinterpretations of the text (or in this case, the show), and proclaiming "It's intentional that the show did that!" every time someone breathes something negative about it. This is ESPECIALLY annoying with the "Blame Disney/the shortening" nonsense -- a key skill in television writing is to be capable of working with the allotted time that the studios give you. After they were told Season 3 got cut short, they still had 11 22-minute episodes of Season 2 and all three 40+ minute episodes of Season 3 to conclude the story in a satisfying way.

Seeking and reading criticism posts outside of the general tags, ignoring warnings on posts that give forewarnings, then getting mad and upset that someone criticized your comfort show is generally an unhealthy behavior, especially if you're not in a good mental state. If you can't take people criticizing something you enjoy, and more-so if you deem it your comfort media, and feel the need to bother them because you made yourself upset reading their posts, you've got a lot of soul searching to do. That, or maybe you should log off until you can handle it.

Also, obviously, spoilers ahead for TOH, as well as Amphibia because these shows parallel a lot more than I want them to. :')

---

I have a LOT to say about The Owl House from a critical and writing perspective, and I feel like the show is EXTREMELY overhyped for what it actually is. I feel its sister show Amphibia executed much of the same/similar themes better, and that's not even a bias thing. Just from the way both shows are written, you can tell which one feels more competently structured from a narrative standpoint (and, let's be honest, which one is actually funny).

Okay enough about general opinion, let's get to Collector. From a character design perspective, GOD I love this little guy, both the reflection/shadow form and the actual form are distinct from the rest of the cast. I'm a big Sun and Moon design/symbolism enjoyer (Sun and Moon from FNAF, Sun and Blake from RWBY, Celestia and Luna from MLP:FiM, etc.) so these types of characters are always welcome. And while their voice annoys me personally it ABSOLUTELY fits them, so no matter how annoying I find it I don't think I'd want them to have any other voice.

But that, unfortunately, is the only props I can give to Collector.

The show is FULL of redeemed antagonists that range from okay (I'd like to think Amity was decent enough and Hunter was alright but definitely should have been introduced earlier so his redemption was a slow burn but this post isn't about them so I'll end this note here) to "what the actual fuck" (Idc what anyone says, there is no excuses PERIOD, Lilith's redemption was the absolute worst redemption arc I think I've ever seen AND I'VE SEEN CATRA'S), and Collector is very much on the lower end of that scale. We hardly see them overall and their character writing is rushed beyond belief -- and again, I'd like to reiterate that that is ENTIRELY on the writing team for the show. Disney and the shortening DID NOT DECIDE TO KEEP COLLECTOR IN. The writing staff were aware of the time they had left and made the decision to shoehorn them in and expect everyone to just be okay with it.

From a writing perspective, they bloat the story exponentially and 100% should have been left in the drafts or saved for future content like what Dana said she might do if she is able to through books and such. If we only get hints of the other Collectors, this one should have STAYED hints with them.

We have essentially no significant amount of time with them outside of Hollow Mind and the season 2 finale before season 3, and what we DO have of them in season 2B is so drastically different I'd consider 2B Collector and 3 Collector as two different characters entirely. And before you tell me, "They're different because sun/moon symbolism!" "They're different because Belos and King influence them differently!" etc. etc., don't waste your time. Yes, those are good explanations as to why they feel so different between seasons, but that does not make the writing of the character inherently good. Allow me to elaborate:

In S2B, of what little we see of Collector, they are extremely sadistic in nature, and while they appear childish the writing of that lack of care for others is ABUNDANTLY CLEAR. And it seemed that way even as Belos first encountered him as Philip in the flashback episode. There, they weren't yet "influenced" by Belos and his plans; hell, he hardly had an actual plan yet.

Skip ahead to Hollow Mind, easily the best episode of Season 2 imo, and Collector is taunting Belos, mocking him and his schemes. Saying things like "Ooh, you were mad!" and "I'm starting to think you make those [grimwalkers] just to destroy them. You have fun with it, admit it!"

I cannot find any reasonable explanation as to how or why Belos would influence Collector into doing such things. Why would he want a little pain in the ass making fun of him for hundreds of years? And by his response to Collector's taunt about the grimwalkers and Hunter, "Of course I don't, Collector. It hurts every time he chooses to betray me," he took offense to their words, but kept his tone from shifting to anger as he does with everyone else because of Collector's power.

Belos doesn't want Collector thinking he doesn't like them because of their abilities, but he does want to stay on their good side for information. For knowledge of spells. And he puts up with Collector's annoyances because of that.

Essentially, that wasn't something Belos taught them or influenced them to do. All Collector knows is to adapt to their friends' behaviors, yes, but Belos is like, over 400 years old. I don't know about you, but I doubt with the way he speaks and how he's written that he would taunt his underlings in the same childish vain as Collector, and do so enough for Collector to pick up and mimic that behavior.

Now to the finale, their appearance is pretty much just them getting duped by Belos and sent into the depths of the titan skull, where King ever-so-conveniently finds them, making the pinky swear that releases them.

They maintain that mocking attitude even after Belos betrays them, calling King "boring" for calling them Mr. Collector and feeling generally disinterested by King before he promises a game to play. And even after they're released, they continue the attitude further with the whole "I remember someone throwing me off a bridge...I'm not angry, though!" bit, only to send Belos to his "death" moments after, deeming it as a game of tag. They've seen Belos kill grimwalkers first hand, fully aware that their lives mean nothing, and replicated the behavior by returning the favor to Belos (or so they thought). Their lack of care continues when they nearly try to do the same thing to the Hexsquad, people who didn't even do anything to them, before King stops them, changing the subject before they can cause further harm.

After stopping the draining spell, Collector continues the destructive maliciousness they have all the way to the end of the episode, and that's the impression of them we're left with. They were sadistic, uncaring and childish, but only learned the behavior of killing from Belos -- even though Belos didn't actually die, the intent was to kill him, and they were fully planning to continue with the Hexsquad.

And then...We get to Season 3.

Just a side-note, I think it's a safe assumption to say the first 2 seasons of The Owl House took place between roughly 2 months, as Luz was outside waiting to leave for a summer camp after the school year ended before initially arriving in the demon realm. Going off of that assumption, in Part 1 Luz returned to school as she returned to the human realm, presumably in late August/early September due to her living in Connecticut. And since Part 1 takes place in the timespan of about 3-7 days, the last day being Halloween, the timeskip only brought us about 2 more months ahead. Keep this in mind.

After Luz and co. return to the demon realm in Part 2 -- objectively the worst episode of the season -- we already see King's influence on Collector since they turned everyone into puppets instead of actively injuring or killing them when they don't comply. Still bad? Yes. But from how it looks in Part 3 with the Hexsquad, it seems more like the puppets' consciences are just comatose or an alternative to sleeping, maybe in a REM-like state. But of course, the show didn't have enough time to explain that further over all the nonsense in Part 2.

Anyway, when we see Collector in Part 2, they're still being childish, which is unfortunately the only thing that stays consistent with this character. They then say two lines that were the most god-awful writing decisions I've seen in a hot minute, and this show is STOCK FULL of really bad "this is peak humor LAUGH" moments like this.

They say that Eda has this "cool aunt vibe" and such, which sounds like one of those "character dynamics/tropes" posts on social media like Tumblr and whatnot. It comes off as really pretentious in the writing, and was shockingly unfunny to hear for a show that calls itself a comedy. Another line that frustrates me, more-so for lore reasons, is when they ask Odalia to make pizza bagels, when it was previously stated that human food is inaccessible to Luz during her time in the demon realm. So not only is it contradicting that whole thing (Eda actively struggled to find food for Luz that she could eat), how would they or King even know what one is or how to actually make one??

It seems like a small point to get heated over, but it once again feels like one of those stupid one-liners that one of the writers thought was the funniest shit they've ever thought up and kept it in because they knew die-hard fans would just laugh it off and brush it off as a joke, and that the writers forgetting about Eda's maternal struggle to feed her adopted kid is Disney's/the shortening's fault because they're at fault for everything wrong with the show...and not the ppl who wrote it.

Regardless, this whole shtick is extremely out-of-character for the way they had spoken in Season 2, and from what I can recall (I'm not gonna rewatch the entire show for the sake of a single post), King never talks like this. Luz does around him, but he himself doesn't talk like this.

I've discussed with friends before about this, including Robin (the one who asked me to talk about this), but from Part 2 onward Collector gets the same Luz-like writing every character that gets redeemed suddenly dawns out of the blue. I started calling it luz-ification, but it doesn't just happen to Collector.

It happened to Hunter, where his more cocky and ego-centric dialogues from early 2A was dropped for a more "comedic" personality and an anxiety-ridden character, though it's later eluded to that his cocky attitude was him masking his true self, so I try to keep it to that perspective.

But this happened to Lilith as well, where she suddenly started acting like "Cool Aunt Lilith" IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING HER ADMITTING TO CURSING EDA AND ALLOWING HER CAPTURE. WITH NO CONSEQUENCES TO BE FACED OTHER THAN THE CURSE SPLIT WHICH IS HARDLY UTILIZED IN THE SHOW.

(Side-tangent: Characters facing little to no consequences for their actions is something that goes on so much in this show but this is long enough already and I really don't like talking about this shit for long 'cause I could be using my time on better pieces of media, I'm sure there's plenty of posts explaining this point elsewhere by ppl who enjoyed TOH more than me)

Hell, it even happened to Amity for a hot minute. For some moments in the show she's written really off-character and saying things that just completely contradict how she's typically written, but then goes back to the more sassy and balanced character later on.

This post has gotten WAY longer than I wanted it to be, but to keep me from spending even more time on this, Part 2 shows a drastically different Collector, to the point that they do not by any means have the same character writing as they had before. They got luz-ified. Using social media lingo they couldn't even have access to in canon, and being written to quite literally just sound like a mini-me of Luz with the more obnoxious undertones of the childish thing.

Point is, they mimic these behaviors of Luz that they wouldn't even have reasonable access to learning from, because she's in the human realm for almost all the time after their release. It only makes sense in Part 3, when Luz is actually there for them to see her behaviors in action, but even that is so contrived and rushed that it feels unrealistic and narratively unnecessary. Remember what I said before about the timeskip only being 2 months? Yeah, 2 months isn't nearly enough time for a character to fundamentally change who they are as drastically as Collector.

Now to the part where I talk about Amphibia really quick and mention how it did the whole "having an alternative threat acting as a mini-boss" thing a million times better than this shit ever could. King Andrias, paralleling Collector for this particular scenario, is shown relatively early on that he's an antagonist to the audience. It's later revealed as a plot twist not to the audience, but to the characters, who least expected it. They don't waste time trying to throw off the audience with red herrings or telling its audience "He's not a bad guy, he's totally not going to be evil later on." They just show the audience he's evil and keep the story moving.

He's given enough time to feel like this ominous, looming threat, and True Colors masterfully showed how messed up this guy is and the lengths he is willing to go to ascend to the Core and cheat death, just as the souls within the Core had. His motive to avoid death and return Amphibia to the world-conquering ideologies from centuries' past is what made him such a love-to-hate villain. And the motive to cheat death in a children's cartoon? Metal as hell. The Core also parallels Belos here, and further on in Season 3, being the one manipulating Andrias through his fear of death in order to make him do what they want him to.

In the third season, Andrias continues his work by the Core's demands, only giving up in the final battle when he's read a letter from someone he had considered a friend long ago, which admittedly didn't have much set-up but it was at least the focus of an entire episode prior to the big pre-finale.

At the end of the series, he's shown to have moved on, allowing himself to age naturally and to stop using technology to keep him in pristine condition for eternity. He accepted the natural cycle of life, and in turn accepted that he will come to pass one day. He wasn't a perfectly written character, but considering what it's being compared to? Leagues better.

Like I said before, TL;DR, Collector is the bloatware of The Owl House's plot. They were shoved in as a last minute addition because they were the writers' "precious bean silly goose little gremlin blorbo" that they couldn't just keep in the drafts with the rest of the collectors. So instead of maintaining what little integrity the show's writing had to begin with and follow through to the end with the Day of Unity plotline being the series finale (Which was VERY OBVIOUSLY WHAT THEY WERE GOING FOR), they essentially made a side quest distraction that dragged the story on for longer than it needed to, wasting the audience's time.

I'm not mad that the Collector exists, I just find that their inclusion in the series did more harm than good for the writing. The show has a serious issue with giving screentime to unnecessary characters like the miscellaneous Hexside students, giving characters too much screentime (The biggest offender for this is Amity, there's more episodes centered around her than Hunter, Willow and Gus combined) and not giving ACTUALLY necessary characters enough screentime (Looking at you, Emerald Trio).

I really want to rewrite TOH, and if I feel the need to rewrite a show, it's usually because there's too much fundamentally wrong with it for me to give it anything higher than a 6/10 overall. But I've already got a whole AU and a whole rewrite in the works for two other series I care wayyyyy more about, so that's gonna have to be left to other writers in this fandom.

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#toh criticism #toh critical #the collector #heed my warning or get blocked #I'm not dealing with ppl that take general media criticism personally #anyway have fun with this novel ig #amphibia is so much better than this show and I'm tired of ppl not seeing that

[candyskiez]

For the character bingo

Adora

Glimmer

Luz

Amity

Any of the mane 6 from mlp

I don't watch MLP so just doing the ones I know. First off, Adora:

Before anyone gets confused by canon focus what I mean is. We don't really get an episode focused on how Adora feels about the catradora split like we do with Catra, or about her own trauma, which I think is a missed opportunity. Also she's just. I fucking love her. I relate to her so hard. She's so flawed and scared and just a kid who was taught to feel guilty for wanting to be happy and her trope subversion makes me eat GLASS. I love her so much. The fandom is so fucking weird about her. Good god.

Glimmer:

I NEVER see fan shit about how fucking fascinating she is and it's a damn shame. The daughter of an immortal who was never prepared to be queen suddenly has to rule over an entire kingdom. Child general mistaking her mother's rightful concern for distrust. Has a black and white view of rebellion good, horde bad, no matter what either side does. Has an arc about learning morals and to be a good person and not let her rage cloud her judgement. She's so FASCINATING she's a ball of stress and insecurity and she's just. Such a good character. Where's my fics about her.

Luz:

I'm not as insane over her specifically moreso I go !!!! over her in a part of a dynamic. But I do love her so much. I love how she foils Belos and how her dynamic with Hunter is to show that the wittebros didn't HAVE to end in tragedy. I love her dynamic with Amity, it's such a realistically healthy relationship that makes me so fucking happy that kids are gonna grow up with that. I love her dynamic with Willow and Luz, I love the owl family, I just love ALL of it. I love her so much. I will always read her as a trans allegory. You can't stop me.

Amity:

Amity is unfairly bashed on and I will never forgive the fandom for it. None of the dudes are bashed nearly as hard as her. Leave her alone!!! Also I just. God. I love her. She's so good. She's trying so hard. I love my girl. I LOVEEEE my girl.

#the owl house #toh #owl house #toh spoilers #owl house spoilers #the owl house spoilers #she ra spoilers #shera spoilers #spop spoilers #she ra #spop #shera

[dannydanoninoo]

Here's my overanalysis of all the stuff of the poster because OH MY GOD WE WERE STARVING IN CONTENT

Luz's style getting closer to beta design YESSSSS

Also Luz sweetie are you holding something? Or is just Amity's sleeve?

Again someone on Twitter pointed put how in S1 she's holding a light glyph and now it's a flashlight and wow thanks for making sad

Amity being a fashion queen, also holding ghost so I guess that's our confirmation that Palismen do work in the Human Realm

Taking about palismen FLAPJACK BABY HIIII

Also Willow's kinda looking at his direction so based on Mike's art maybe we're having Willow-Flapjack bonding moment (I will count this as Huntlow sue me)

Again Huntloser brain here THEY ARE TOGETHER SO YEAH HUNTLOW CONTENT crumbs

Don't get me started on Hunter MY BOY THEY DID YOU SO DIRTY 😭 (RIP THE WORM HAIR AND THE TOOTH GAP, you'll live forever in our hearts)

BELOS IS BACK AND IT'S GONNA BE SUPER CREEPY AND ANGSTY (shout out to all the fanfics that predicted that, also if he actually starts tormenting Hunter first you'll get a bonus)

Human Vee is so cute? Gives me Catra vibes (style speaking) and I LOVE IT

Camilla pulling a Steve Harrington with the bat

SPOILER TERRITORY: I'm 99.9% sure the leaked backgrounds are canon, the poster gives the Halloween vibe AND THE BONES ARE LITERALLY EVERYWHERE SO WE ARE DOOMED

Gus looks more baby in here and I'm afraid for my child, that's it

In conclusion, FUCK

2nd Concluion: October 15 we're all gonna die so I'm not sorry for the person I'll become that day

#the owl house #here are some things I've noticed and others I saw on Twitter but it's a nice compilation of also me freaking out #I literally got out of my house 15 minutes late bc I was fangirling at the door #the angst is coming and I'm not ready for it #toh #toh spoilers #toh s3 #luz noceda #amity blight #gus porter #willow park #hunter toh #toh vee #toh hunter #vee noceda #huntlow

[baggebythesea]

Bagge, I didn't know you too were a fan of the Ducks! But I should've know 'cause you have excellent taste and loves Goldie.

Also, because all things go back to Glitra, I am know thinking of Glimmer and Catra as rival treasure hunters which is a thought that comes 10% from how fun that dynamic would be and 90% out of wanting to see Glimmer in a explorers outfit with the leather jacket and hat.

OMG! Glimmer would look amazing in that outfit. And if you put Catra in Goldie's role you just know we will get some salon dancing... (not to mention - my best Glitra works always have them isolated somewhere. How about a winter snowed in together in Yukon?)

I love the Ducks. One of my best fandom moment ever was meeting Don Rosa at a con. His work has been formative for my understanding of how to make a) epic stories and b) funny stories (his background jokes are pieces of art).

The latest ducktales reboot also blew me away with their creed of making every character badass in their own way and giving them their moment to shine. Not to mention how much I love Webby and Lena.

#ducktales #spop #don rosa

[madsselfships]

Promo time :) ♡

Hi! Call me maddie or mads! :) I'm a 20 year old bisexual self shipper who is probably a bit too attached to fictional characters. Oops.

I usually just ramble and gush about my f/o's, and sometimes post imagines/scenarios. I do write self insert fanfics as well but i haven't posted any yet. I'm working up to it asgsgdfgjk

Let's be moots! We can totally never shut up about our f/o's together! I interact from @maddestmads I'm also fine with sharing f/o's btw :) oh and i don't have a dni list, i just block whoever makes me uncomfortable.

Anyway, here's my list of f/o's which i am constantly updating lmao

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Romantic f/o's ♡

Roxanne Wolf (Fnaf Security Breach)

Vanessa (Fnaf Security Breach)

Eda Clawthorne (The Owl House)

Raine Whispers (The Owl House)

Darius Deamonne (The Owl House)

Catra (Spop)

Blue Diamond (Steven Universe)

Sans (Undertale)

Charlie Morningstar (Hazbin Hotel)

Vaggie (Hazbin Hotel)

Alastor (Hazbin Hotel)

Platonic f/o's ♡

Glamrock Chica (Fnaf Security Breach)

Montgomery Gator (Fnaf Security Breach)

Luz Noceda (The Owl House)

Amity Blight (The Owl House)

Hunter (The Owl House)

Lilith Clawthorne (The Owl House)

Papyrus (Undertale)

Sir Pentious (Hazbin Hotel)

Parental f/o's ♡

Glamrock Freddy (Fnaf Security Breach)

Toshinori Yagi/All Might (My Hero Academia)

John Silver (Treasure Planet)

Toriel (Undertale)

Asgore (Undertale)

Lee (Twd Game)

Kenny (Twd Game)

Hank Anderson (Detroit Become Human)

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Reblogs are appreciated! <3

#self ship #self shipping #self ship community #self ship promo #selfship promo #mads posts

[spopsalt]

Funnily enough, I saw a pretty terrible youtube video criticizing Hunter and explaining why he's a bad character and if I remember correctly, he compared Hunter to Catra about how they are both "emotional" characters saying that Catra is better than Hunter for being more "consistant".

Uh, I would really like to see his opinion on Catra's redemption arc considering that one of his major critiques for Hunter's character was that he was "never criticized/didn't receive punishment for his actions" (which isn't true in the slightest). Also would like to see his opinion and Catradora since he said that Huntlow was toxic because it had a "bad start".

(The video in question if you want to see it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHUATB-5Tjw&t)

It's really sad whenever someone compares Hunter to Catra. Hunter never did nearly half of the bad things Catra did. Hunter is legit a teenager, he was manipulated ever since he was born, and apparently the poor boy having a panic attack isn't bad enough. He actually became a better person by the end. Catra literally committed war crimes and didn't become a better person, the redemption arcs aren't compatible

#spop critical #spop salt #anti spop #anti catra #spop criticism #spop discourse #spop crit

[swearyshera]

Hordak did very poorly on his Christianity deconversion speedrun. Wrong Hordak and Adora and Hunter from The Owl House are children/teens who decided to stop being Christian within a few episodes of getting separated from the other Christians. They still have their character flaws, but they did not... dig their heels in for the entire show. Hordak is also an adult authority figure whose behavior indicates that he is a dangerous person and should not be in a position of power over anyone. He tortured Catra with the suffocation machine, and threw stuff at her. He goes back and forth between avoiding his suboortinates and mistreating his suboordinates. He is such a little bitch. I don't like the idea that everyone instantly forgives him, or the idea that Mermista saying, are we all okay with this... is a joke... To be clear, I don't think that he is a poorly written character, I just don't like the interpretations of people who sympathize with him. (It is okay that he doesn't get killed, because it isn't necessary for Entrapta's characterization/the story at large for him to get killed. In fact, it fits more with the idea of restorative justice that he needs to live and make up for his crimes instead of die, but please do not make Mermista being upset at him a joke, or I will low-key lose it).

I would never suggest that any one interpretation of a character is correct - writers generally like having ambiguity and flaws, and the idea that there's not just one truth to a character. So that means that the way different people interpret them doesn't necessarily mean that someone is correct and someone isn't - and I think that absolutely applies to Hordak. For those who like him and think he's misunderstood - they're right! For those who don't like him and think the things he's done aren't forgivable or would require a lot of work - also right!

And it really comes down to a theme that I sadly didn't get to explore as much as I wanted to - that there is a difference between 'reason' and 'excuse'. That applies to Catra, particularly, but the same can be said for Hordak. Knowing what we know by the end, the reason he suffocated Catra or took Salineas with indiscriminate force was to prove himself to Prime. But that doesn't provide an excuse for doing wrong, and I feel like too many people don't see the distinction.

Who knows, I may explore that later on...

As for Mermista's last line, while it is a joke, it's more about Entrapta than Hordak. I'll be honest, I don't think it's the time to start delving into Mermista's feelings towards Hordak when there's literally 30 seconds left of the entire show. But watch this space.