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#LUKES GAY CONFIRMED??
morerandombullshit · 1 month
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Y'ALL I GOT DRAMA LUKE'S GAY CONFIRMED??? also some other random shit plus a free Spotify playlist
CW: a homophobe acting gay, slightly NSFW themes (only if you squint)
OH MY GODS THIS SHIT IS LITERALLY THE FUNNIEST THING IVE EVER SEEN BUT LIKE
SO MY BSF HAS THE SAME GYM CLASS AS LUKE AND FUCKING SHIT (ok technically we all share a gym class but then there's the gender split my nb ass is silently dying inside every fucking time) AND THEY WERE DOING HEALTH CLASS IN THE CAFETERIA BC THEIR NORMAL TEACHER WASNT IN TODAY, RIGHT?
NAH BC I TOLD MY FRIEND, "Take pics if there's drama" AND LIKE, THERE WAS DRAMA
SO IT WAS LUKE BEING A GAY FUCKER DESPITE BEING A HOMOPHOBE, BUT WE ALL KNOW HOMOPHOBES ACT THE GAYEST EITHER WAY
SO
HE GOT A COUPLE PICS
EXHIBIT A IS THIS
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SO CONTEXT FOR THAT FIRST IMAGE ACCORDING TO MY FRIEND AND ANOTHER MUTUAL FRIEND WHO APPARENTLY WATCHED THE WHOLE THING WAS THAT LUKE WAS LIKE, HUMPING AND THRUSTING INTO THE DUDE HE'S CHOKING ON THE TABLE? (the other dude's name is Lachlan btw) AND THEN MAN STARTED FUCKING THE OTHER GUY IN THE ASS? IDEK ITS SO CONVULUTED BUT
little sidenote: my friend had to hide behind a pillar so the sub didn't catch him getting the pic and like, the sub broke it up by calling them out too
ANYWAYS EXHIBIT B
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IDEK WHATS GOING ON IN THIS I THINK HES HUMPING A CHAIR OR SOME SHIT LIKE THAT??? ITS FUNNY AS SHIT THOUGH
LIKE ITS SO FUNNY I CANNOT
also yes, i realized this is basically showing you guys his face and ig i begrudgingly agree with that comment from the guy trying to set me and him up (fucking still) that he is kinda "hunky"
AND AND I LOST FEELINGS WOOOOOO ITS BACK TO 24/7 HATE LETS GO
also im just gonna drop man's last name here—his last name is Tyler. like, can you get any whiter than a name such as fucking Luke Tyler?? (i say as i'm fucking Polish but we aren't talking ab me here are we)
OH AND IM GONNA DROP HIS TIKTOK
ITS FUCKING @lukewild123 AND ITS THE CRINGEST THING ON EARTH I SWEAR I WANTED TO TOSS MYSELF OFF MY COUCH FIRST TIME I SAW IT BUT
WHAT I WANT Y'ALL TO DO, IS TO SPAM "gay boy" ON ALL HIS TIKTOKS
FOR THE FUNNY AND BC I WANNA TORTURE HIM (ig this is where my moral questionability comes in but)
oh yeah and the week before spring break (which was last week) i was sick and that's what inspired my V x Reader a lil while back and like, i didn't see Luke for two weeks (new fucking record WOO) and then Monday i saw him but he didn't see me right? NO because he gives me The Luke Stare™ (yes i'm trademarking it and what i mean by it is like, those looks he gives me for no fucking reason at all- also I was giving my bsf a play by play as I wrote this post and he suggested "The Luke™" as a pun of "The Look™" i can't 😭😭) on Tuesday and i wanted to die and seep into the floor
anyways thanks for listening to my rant and yes i swear im gonna write and post smth at some point idrk when yet but
stay safe, make sure to keep your friends safe too and be chaotic
OHHHH WAIT I ALMOST FORGOT
YOU GUYS GET A FREE SPOTIFY PLAYLIST I MADE THATS PUBLIC AND IS BASICALLY A COLLECTION OF SONGS THAT I THINK FIT LUKE KINDA?? IDK BUT
actually bye now lmao
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merrysithmas · 1 year
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Merrin is canonically Pan. Respawn and the writer of the spin off book both confirmed it
as a fellow pan & witch i will say i am
Pleased
with the representation
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imogenkol · 1 year
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Just wanted to listen to a review of the fallen order tie in novel that I forgot came out recently and instead I found a 12 minute video of some guy crying over “the LGBTs” taking over star wars 💀
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queer-coded-tourney · 10 months
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ROUND 1 BATTLE 5
vote for the character you think is most queercoded, if you dont know either character check the propaganda!
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PROPAGANDA
Bilbo - "Confirmed Bachelor" is he gay? Is he aroace? Who knows, but he sure never married or even looked twice at a woman.
Luke - Everyone knows he is a twink and in love with han solo (and mando). Also everyone agrees he wears the chanel boots
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Was Javier Garcia "not bisexual enough" in ANF?
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I feel like everyone reading the title of this essay is going to say, "Well, yeah? Obviously? Javi didn't show any interest in men outside of that one optional moment of flirting with Jesus and then he was confirmed bisexual by one of the writers after the season ended. If they wanted to make him bi, they should've done more with it because that's not enough."
That's a commonly expressed opinion no matter where you look, and it's not like it's unfounded, either.
On a surface level, I agree. While I understand the excitement of learning a character is canonically bi, in the case of Javier Garcia it still feels like celebrating crumbs tossed to us by Telltale after they had their cake and ate it, too. They snuck in some bisexual representation at the last minute for queer audiences without it being explicit so the homophobes wouldn't throw a tantrum.
Stuff like that happens. Sometimes the representation is subtle or implied in the subtext. Or, the queerness is condensed into something digestible and sanitized for straight audiences. Or, it's stated after the fact with little to no actual evidence to support it in canon.
Hell, even if it is obvious, like with Clementine being bisexual in TFS, you still have biphobes who will die on the hill of denial. Even now, in the year 2024, we have people insisting "Clem being bi came out of nowhere! They should've showed it in earlier seasons if they wanted it to make sense. I'm not homophobic but here's my essay PROVING that violentine is bad and forced and that Clem isn't bi!" Or, on the other extreme, "Clementine is a lesbian to me, bisexuality isn't real :)"
But I've already talked about Clementine and what her bisexuality means to me. I want to talk about Javier now.
He's an interesting case, both in the way his queerness was handled and portrayed in the game, and how audiences received it... as in, a lot of people said, "That's great and all, but is it really representation when it's not actually present? It's not enough."
That. That right there: "It's not enough." That's what I want to break down and examine.
Is Javier Garcia not valid as a queer character because he didn't reach this concept of "enough" in the eyes of the player? But what would have been "enough" then? Do people really understand what they're asking for when they discuss what they think Telltale should've done? Does it actually matter if Javier is queer when it comes to the plot and his journey as the protagonist, and if it doesn't matter, is that okay?
Should we just accept these crumbs sprinkled in our hands?
I want to make it clear that I'm but one bisexual examining a bisexual character and doing an analysis. I've climbed out of my bog to write this because I want to discuss Javier and the writing as it pertains to his queerness, or lack thereof. I'm also aware that I'm not providing any irrefutable, concrete evidence here one way or the other; I'm speculating about Javier through a queer lens. I encourage any other bi, pan, or other queer person to add to these discussion points, whether in agreement or not.
Prior to TFS, the queer representation in TWDG wasn't great...
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Though the games do get progressively gayer as the seasons go on. And some even get to live! Progress!
S1 had... uh, none? Wait, is that right? ...Yeah, no, I'm tuning my gay radio and it isn't picking up any signals, Captain. Nothing gay in these waters.
S2 had Walter and Matthew, who both died shortly after being introduced. There's some homoerotic undertones between Luke and Nick but nothing was ever confirmed. Also, they both died, so... not great.
The Michonne mini-series had Jonas and Zachary, but Zachary will always die no matter what. Jonas can die, too, but it's determinant. Paige was confirmed to be queer by the writers, though. Uh, progress? Kind of? Not really, it's never talked about and you only pick up on her feelings for Sam if you squint and pay close attention. But hey, at least she got to live!
Then, in ANF we have Javier, our playable protagonist, and Paul "Jesus" Monroe, a gay character who also showed up in the comics and TV show. Would'ja look at that, they both got to live! I should also mention nothing was ever confirmed about Ava but... c'mon, y'know? Captain, there's a faint signal on my radio; when you know, you know. Except she died, to, so... still not great.
Then came TFS, who really said, "Screw you, here's all the gay!"
They gave us bisexual Clementine with both of her romance routes. Violet, Minerva, James, mentions of his past boyfriend, Charlie... Aasim was planned to be bisexual and I don't see why we can't reclaim that for him, and one day I'll crawl out of my bog to write my analysis on the queer-coding/subtext of Louis' character because if I read "lmao Louis is such a Straight" one more time, I'm going to let the gators take a bite out of me just so that I can feel something other than irritation for once.
Sigh. It's so hard being a "Louis ain't straight" truther out here, so few understand.
My plights aside, there's no avoiding the queerness of TFS. Even if your Clementine doesn't romance anyone, or romances Louis, you can't avoid the fact that Violet and Minerva were girlfriends at one point. It's determinant if James will tell you about Charlie, but that doesn't change the fact that James is gay.
But it runs deeper than that. This is a story about these troubled youth who were abandoned by their families and teachers, the ones who were supposed to love and help them, because "something was wrong with them, they did something bad... they need fixing."
These young people have to fight against an oppressive group of adults looking to steal their autonomy, change them, mold them into what's expected to survive. Their identities don't matter to the raiders. All the raiders care about is erasing such identities so that they fall in line and obey, and if they don't comply, they die... or worse.
Yes, it's a story about Clementine and AJ finally finding a home, but no matter how you play, it's also a narrative steeped in queer themes and subtext. You can tell that the people who made it not only cared about these things and wanted them weaved throughout the story, but that some of them were queer themselves.
But where does that leave us with Javier?
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With everything TFS did, it's easy to look back at ANF with a critical eye and pinpoint its flaws in every aspect. While I don't believe it's the worst game Telltale ever made [I mean, Minecraft Story Mode exists], in my opinion, it's the messiest game in the main series. It's not bad, but I'd much rather play S1 or TFS.
For all the criticism it received, most players did like Javier as the playable protagonist. Well, they did once they got over the fact that Clementine wouldn't be taking on that role again, and was instead relegated to only being playable in flashbacks.
Javi's personality can vary depending on player choices, but for the most part, he's a charismatic man who loves his family. He used to be a professional baseball player before he was booted from the league for gambling. He can be cocky and sarcastic, and it usually lands him in trouble. He tends to cope and deflect using humor. He has a past of being irresponsible and selfish; he wasn't even there when his father died, despite knowing he was dying of cancer. His relationship with David is complicated, only made messier if he and Kate end up together. He's trying his best... for the most part. Javi even ends up being a father figure to Gabe and Mariana after they all thought David was dead, and he's very open about his grief following Mariana's death.
But given everything we learn about him while playing ANF, how do we know Javi isn't straight? After all, his main love interest is Kate, a woman. He also has opportunities to flirt with Eleanor, another woman. He doesn't show any signs of being attracted to any of the men who are around... until Paul "Jesus" Monroe.
At the end of ep5, Javi and Jesus have a conversation where one of the dialogue options is, "I like you, Jesus." Granted, that doesn't have to mean "like-like;" you can say you like someone without any romantic intentions. Plus, Jesus IS a cool character. Players who picked that option likely weren't thinking of it in a romantic sense.
It's the way that Jesus responds to this option, though: a flirtatious smile, lidded eyes, the deep dip of his voice.
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Javier: I gotta admit, man. You're a fucking badass! Jesus: You're a real charmer... You know that? Through and through.
It's not difficult to see Jesus is being flirtatious, and Javi sees it, too. How does he react?
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Forgive me, but I'm about to over-analyze this six-second gif. I love his reaction so much. That subtle jump of his shoulders as if a jolt just ran through his gut at the way Jesus lowers his voice. Surprised, and then the movement of the brows, the slide of the eyes, and the little upturn of the mouth says to me "Oh… oh." Caught off guard, perhaps a little bashful.
Option 1: Javier: Oh, you know what they say. Takes one to know one. Jesus: That they do. Option 2: Javier: Are you really sure you don't want to stay? There's room. Jesus: Oh, uh... I'm sure there is, but... we got other people depending on us, Javi. Just the way it is. Option 3: Javier: Meant to tell you... That, uh, armor you got is great. Jesus: Oh... Oh, uh... Hmm... Well, uh... Thanks, um... It gets the job done.
Javi knows what Jesus is getting at regardless of your choice. He understands this is flirtatious, but is startled since he likely didn't consider that Jesus likes men, too. We the audience have a better chance at knowing if, especially those familiar with the character from the comics and the TV show. Javi wouldn't because why would he? It's not like Jesus is obvious and flaunting with the fact that he's gay.
What's funny about that is, given our topic of discussion, we could also argue that Jesus wasn't gay enough, couldn't we? If we're going to pick on Javier for not being more open about his sexuality, then it's only fair that we pick on other characters, no? Did Jesus need to be gayer? Would that improve ANF?
In fact, now that I think about, was James gay enough in TFS? Was one moment where he talks about his boyfriend, a scene that's determinant so not every player got it, enough? What about Minerva? We know she and Violet were girlfriends before Marlon traded her away, that's information that's unavoidable, but did she actually reach this apparent high standard of "enough" in the eyes of the audience?
Are we entitled to unequivocal evidence of queerness, and the heaping amount we deem necessary, otherwise it's not good enough and shouldn't be bothered with at all? Are more casual displays of queerness bad?
I can already hear people jumping to defend James and Minerva, and likely Jesus, against this because "it's totally different!"
Sure. Javier's situation is different from James, Jesus, and Minerva's respective situations. James actually uses the word boyfriend and he keeps a picture of him and Charlie in his pocket. Jesus appears in The Walking Dead universe outside of the game with more evidence of queerness. Minerva's past relationship with Violet is made clear even when you don't pursue Violet's route, not to mention the underlying metaphor of conversion with her being changed/brainwashed/traumatized by the raiders to be just like them.
Javier is different because that scene with Jesus is the only in-game evidence of his queerness, right? Then he had to be confirmed as bisexual by one of the writers once ANF ended.
Surely, they could've brought up the fact that Javier's bi earlier, right? Made mentions of a past boyfriend, or had a flashback about Javi coming out to his family? Why only let him flirt with Kate and Eleanor? Why wasn't there an option to flirt with Tripp, or some other male character? What about a darker turn where David didn't accept Javi for it? David's portrayed as an antagonist, anyway, why not toss a little homophobia into the mix? Why not reveal it if Javi rejects Kate? What if Kate was so hurt by the rejection that she asked him, "It's true, David was right. It's because you like men, isn't it?"
It feels like they decided at the last minute to just toss it in, like someone walked into Telltale one day and said, "Y'all, I just thought of the funniest thing- Javi should be bi so that we can make jokes about him swinging both ways!" And then everyone clapped.
Here's the deal: Something about this sits differently with me, and that's probably thanks to one of ANF's writers, Adam Esquenazi Douglas.
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He's the one that confirmed Javier as bisexual.
Adam had his hand in writing for 4/5 episodes, and he said he wrote the scene where Javi can flirt back with Jesus, but it's that last line of his: "After all, they always say write what you know."
I don't know how many of you who are reading this are writers, or creators in general, but I assume many of you are. It doesn't matter if you write fanfiction, create fanart, write essay posts or headcanons or whatever. I have a firm belief that creative people pour so much of themselves into their work that, if given enough material and studied enough, you can get a glimpse of their soul. Even if done unintentionally, we project ourselves into these works; the characters, themes, conclusions, everything.
Am I suggesting that Adam was secretly a bisexual mastermind who threaded queerness throughout the entirety of ANF and we were all too blind to see it? No, and if he did, then he needs to step forward and tell me so that I can study ANF frame by frame to compile the secret evidence into a new essay.
...Actually, on second thought, maybe don't do that to me, Adam.
My point is, yes, it's true that it's likely Javi being bi was added in at the last minute... but can we really dismiss Javier as "not bisexual enough" when Adam had influence over Javi's character throughout the whole season? And I ask again: is the casual queerness of Javier bad?
Time to speculate and answer some of those questions about Javier
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Let's talk about Kate for a minute. She is Javier's main love interest, whether you choose to accept her feelings or not, so she can give us a good point of reference for what Javi looks for in a partner.
Kate and Javi share a similar sense of humor that bounces well between the two. Kate wants to travel, Javi's well traveled from his time as a profession baseball player. They both exist in this space of "we're kind of the family screw up." Granted, Javi's more in it than Kate is, but you can see parts of her that come through where she's a little rebellious, a little not good enough [ironically]. They both feel trapped in their situations; Kate in her marriage, Javi in a slow downward spiral of not knowing what to do with himself now that he's booted from his career. They have complicated relationships with David, and together, they've raised Gabe and Mariana through the years after they believed David was dead.
They're a lot alike in many ways, so this is hardly an opposites attract type of romance.
What's interesting is if you then look at Jesus, he has some similar qualities to Kate; a sense of humor even when things are looking bleak, they to help and protect people, are willing to throw themselves in danger to save Richmond. Then if you add Eleanor, the other person Javi has some flirtatious dialogue with, you can apply those qualities to her, as well... though the big difference with her is Eleanor sells the group out because she wants to stay.
With the little information we have, we can speculate on Javi's preferences. He prefers someone more similar to him. I know, I know, everyone loves a good opposites attract tale, they're so different but similar at their cores, they fill in each other's gaps, yada yada... except not everyone is like that, obviously.
My working theory is that a partner who would act as the opposite of Javi would be someone who acts like David... and does Javi really want to date someone like his brother? Though that then opens up a whole can of worms since if Javi and Kate are so similar, and David married Kate... this isn't an essay about David, but that's certainly a thing to chew on.
With that, I suppose we can answer the question, "But if Javi's bi, why didn't he flirt with any men prior to Jesus?"
What men?
No, seriously, where are all these men Javi's supposed to flirt with? Are they hiding? I know you hid them in the game, Adam, where are they?
Wait, do you mean Tripp?
I don't want to step on the toes of any Javi/Tripp shippers out there, but let's actually think about this. When we meet Tripp, Javi's just been separated from his family. He was knocked out and tied up by these assholes who caught him siphoning their gas, then this teenager cut down a tree which resulted in him getting into a car accident. Said teenager then tried to rob him before agreeing to escort him back to his family but first, they gotta go to Prescott. I wouldn't say Javier's in the flirtatious mood by the time he meets Tripp.
But he can flirt with Eleanor, right?
So, why not Tripp?
Because Tripp is a man and he has feelings for Eleanor. That's made quite clear from ep1. He told Javi that he and Eleanor had a thing once. Sure, Javi could still harmlessly flirt with him, but have we stopped to consider that Javi isn't as confident with openly flirting with men like he is women? After all, who initiated the actual flirting between him and Jesus in ep5? That would be Jesus, and it happens after the danger is over and Javi doesn't have to worry about dying for a little bit.
Listen, I understand that Tripp is big. He's built like the lumberjack of our dreams. He has a nice beard. He's not afraid to talk about his feelings even when he fumbles all over them. He's strong and caring and brave. He could easily toss me over his shoulder like I'm a sack of flour and then throw me across the room... what's not to love? Surely, if Javi actually liked men, he would've made a move on Tripp at some point.
Except, would he? Is Tripp even Javi's type? Because I'm pressing X to doubt.
Also, why does he need to?
This is where I question why some people think Javi has to flirt with a bunch of men to "prove" he's bisexual? I'm sorry, do you believe there's a quota all bisexuals have to meet to maintain their membership card? You have to flirt with this many genders a month otherwise they'll revoke your premium status?
Sometimes I wonder if people unintentionally lean into the "promiscuous bisexual" stereotype, or if they do genuinely believe that bisexuals have to express interest in multiple people of different genders in order to prove themselves queer enough.
Did we ever stop to think that Javi's just not like that? An open flirt, I mean. Yeah he's charismatic and funny and all that, but Kate, Eleanor, and Jesus all initiate the romantic dialogue with him first; Kate tells him she needs to get laid hint hint, Eleanor calls him pretty, and Jesus calls him a real charmer.
Tripp never gives him any indication that he's interested or that he even likes men, so why would Javi make a move?
As for any other man? Again, what men? Max? Dr. Lingard? Clint? Conrad? And forget adding a new character to ANF; it could barely handle the characters it already had and you want to add a new one just for Javier? Let's face it, Tripp was the best option and that's just it, he wasn't an option.
"But my Javi WOULD flirt with Tripp and the game didn't give me the option!"
And there it is.
Javier isn't your OC
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ANF isn't a massive RPG where starting a new game brings you to a character creation menu, and you get to decide every factor about the character you want to play.
ANF is an episodic, point-and-click Telltale game, and Javier isn't your OC. Like with Lee and Clementine, there are some things you just don't get a say in, and I think that gets to the player sometimes.
When I sit down to play a Dragon Age game, I go into it knowing that my character is mine, I get to decide who they are and who they're interested in. DA as an RPG has the capacity to give me a bunch of romantic options both in and out of my party that shape who my character is.
When I sit down to play TWDG, I go into it knowing that while I have my own Lee, Clementine, and Javi, I didn't create them but I am influencing who they become. I know it's a Telltale game, and that means limitations.
These games have always had the "illusion of choice" criticism chucked at them from the beginning. Usually that pertains to the choices you make that affect the overall story, but ultimately don't matter in the end.
For example, it doesn't matter if you save Carley or Doug because no matter what, they both die. My counter-argument for this has always been that the choice does matter in the way that it shapes your playable character, and how if affects the characters around you. A Lee who saved Doug over Carley had reasons for making that choice, and in turn, has a different experience going forward than a player who chose to save Carley.
Does it matter who shoots Duck in the woods after he's bitten? Or if he's left to turn? No matter what, he's going to die, so is that the illusion of choice? I don't believe so, because it does matter. It affects player experience.
That being said, I believe players who become invested in this series, especially those who engage in fandom, develop a warped sense of what should've been, forgetting the nature of a Telltale game. I know this because that's the foundation my blog was built on.
Javier Garcia isn't a blank slate. You didn't create him. He had a life before the start of the game, he has a personality that you didn't choose for him, and there are things you have no control over. If anything, we act as an influence over the TWDG playable protagonists. Most every option given is something that could reasonably play into their character. I say "most" because we all remember that [GLASS HIM] moment where Javi tells David that Kate's going to leave him and we were all like "THAT'S NOT WHAT I THOUGHT THAT OPTION WAS!" and it felt out of character.
Anyway, you don't dictate who these characters are but you get sway over the direction they take.
Javi can be a real prick to everyone, but that plays into the selfish and entitled part established with his character from the beginning. You can play him as genuine, trying to step up and do better for the sake of his family, another thing brought up from the very beginning.
"But why couldn't I make Javi flirt with Trip!?"
Because it's not an option. I don't know what else to tell you. I don't know what you want me to tell you.
ANF is a Telltale game that centers about Javier Garcia. It's a story about a man who, prior to the outbreak, screwed up and was wasting his life away. His relationship to his family sat upon a rocky foundation, crumbled by his own hands. He wasn't even there when his father died. We follow this man through a story of a family trying to survive, we watch him reunite with his brother and risk losing everything that kept him grounded and going. He experiences grief and anger and sorrow and happiness. In the end, he comes out of it all a different man, for better or worse.
That man just also happened to be bisexual.
And that's the thing: This isn't a story about Javier's sexuality. He isn't going around making moves on these elusive men that mastermind Adam Esquenazi Douglas maybe hid in the game somewhere because the game isn't about Javi liking men.
It's a game about his complicated relationships with Kate and David made messy by Kate being in love with him, and whether or not Javi loves her, too.
It's about Javi helping Clementine back on her path after she's been alone and bitter for so long. It's about them fighting to take down a group of people doing really shitty things to other communities. It's about losing Mariana and avenging her by killing the man who shot her. It's about Gabe feeling conflicted about his father, a man he always wanted to be just like, after realizing that David isn't this idealized figure Gabe thought he was.
It's about the promise Javi made to his father.
The fact that Javi happens to be bi doesn't matter in the grand scheme of the plot. It's just something that's apart of who he is, but because it's a small detail we feel was added in at the last minute, we decide it's not enough.
But what if it is enough? Do we even truly know what this concept of "enough" is?
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Throughout writing this piece, I've found myself in a loop.
I'm happy Javier is bisexual. -> But should I be? -> We shouldn't settle for crumbs, we deserve more explicit representation. -> But is there really anything wrong with casual representation where the story doesn't focus on sexuality? It doesn't take away from other stories that do. -> I'm happy Javier is bisexual. -> But should I be?
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Queer stories are important and our voices need to be heard. We need stories that don't shy away from experiences that are hard to stomach. We need queer stories told by queer people. We need stories that are unapologetic, that aren't afraid to face their audience with pride. Stories that don't say "yeah but we have to bend a little to the bigots to maximize our profits." We need these stories that inspire us, hurt us, make us cry and piss us off. We need queer stories with happy endings that give us hope, that push us to seek a better future so that new generations of queer people don't feel alone in their struggles. We need queer stories that make us feel heard, seen.
Do stories with casual representation of queer characters fit in there somewhere, too? I think they do, because TFS is a casual representation story.
Clementine is bi and it isn't a big deal; she never has a moment where she's openly questioning, she doesn't have this big coming-out scene, there's no tears shed or anything. She isn't stomping around with her bi pride flag and announcing who she is with a heartwarming speech.
She just is.
Same thing with Violet. She never comes out to Clementine as a lesbian, no one ever calls her that, she just is.
Clementine's romance with Violet is treated just as it is with Louis, sincere and normal. No one questions her or Violet because to the Ericson crew, it is normal. They knew Violet and Minerva were together before but no one has any quips about it, positive or negative.
If you romance Violet but then save Louis, he makes mention that Clementine and Violet are close so why save him? But Louis, for as much as people side eye him for making jokes and never taking anything seriously, doesn't say anything more. He could've made a joke, "Ah, you like girls, I guess I never stood a chance then, haha." He doesn't, because it's not something out of the ordinary for him and it's not something he feels the need to pry over.
If you go fishing with Violet and Brody, you find the carved heart with Violet and Minerva's initials and AJ asks what it means. Clementine can tell him they were girlfriends, and AJ doesn't go, "Oh, that's weird," or "Huh, I didn't know girls could like each other." He just goes, "Oh. Love." and moves on because he grew up differently, it isn't a big deal to.
Even the antagonists aren't out here spewing homophobia, at least that I recall.
The Ericson crew are a generation that understands and accepts. Where Clementine could end up with either Louis or Violet and no one will raise a brow, or even feel compelled to signal their alliance like, "Ah, yes, I am accepting of you and your choice, good for you, I am an ally, I'm making this about me."
The Final Season of TWDG is great, and it proves that the writers at Telltale at the time wanted to explore these topics earnestly. It wasn't pandering or trying to score "woke points" with the LGBTQ+ community like some bigots will insist. If it were, it would've been way more obvious about it, I think.
Casual queer stories or serious stories that tackle the hardships of being gay?
Like the bisexual I am, I like both and everything in between.
Clementine didn't need to prove her bisexuality as "enough" in TFS, but since the circumstances were different, did Javier?
I'm going to take the potentially controversial road and say no. I understand why we wish they did more, and I understand why people have frustrations over creators dropping that information without actually having to commit in their work... but I also have some appreciation for the casual reveal of Javi being bi, regardless of why it was dropped.
Javier is valid. He didn't need to "prove" anything.
In a way, I believe we do have some control over the portrayal of Javier, and that's by engaging in fandom. If you were disappointed that Javi's queerness wasn't explored in game, then find a fic that does explore that side of him, or write your own. Engage with other people and their work about it. Comment on fanart, fics, and thought pieces. Write brain dumps. Find other Javi/Tripp shippers and prove me wrong, prove that Tripp is indeed Javi's type and have fun while doing it.
Telltale gave us the crumbs, so let that inspire us to bake a cake.
I don't think this concept of "not enough" is the most productive way we could go about discussing topics like this. Not everyone has the same level or standard, and every work is a unique case. But I think it is fun and productive to share ideas of what we would've done differently so that it may inspire us.
ANF, for all of its flaws, could be a tool used to teach us where our priorities are in storytelling, and influence what we want to create ourselves.
In conclusion: Javier Garcia is enough to me.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to crawl back to my bog and begin research into the meaning and metaphors behind walkers and their existence.
But before that, I want to give a big thank you to @pi-creates for making the Javi gif used in this essay, as well as for listening to all my bullshit during the writing process.
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low-key-lucy · 2 months
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Mini Rant
Genuinely Why are people so anti Thaluke (Thalia & Luke), i simply don’t get it! did we read the same books???
It’s not even a question, they definitely both had feelings for each other, Literally read ‘The Diary of Luke Castellan’ or just read ‘The Titans Curse’. ITS THERE! It’s not even subtext, ITS TEXT!
Also… (this might get me a lot of hate, but) I really dislike the HC that Thalia is a lesbian, because most of the people who say that are people who view the Hunters of Artemis as a big club of lesbians, that’s like saying Catholic Nuns are lesbians, the Hunters are based on the priestesses of ancient Greece that dedicated their lives to certain goddesses, who stayed chaste. Rick literally confirmed that the hunters abstain from all romantic relationships no matter the gender, They are a sisterhood! Not to mention that most of the Hunters are LITERAL prepubescent girls!!!
It’s such a stupid, non-researched and tone deaf claim/view and it really annoys me whenever i see it.
If you’re going to claim i’m homophobic because of this i’m actually going to lose my shit, i’m literally gay.
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we need a list of every canonical gay ally in westeros
ok off the top of my head canonically
JON SNOW ALLY OF THE MILLENNIUM literally died for gay rights. he said fuck the catholic church satin is our BROTHER and he WILL be my squire. suck my DICK. paraphrased. and he got stabbed for it!!! westerosi saint sebastion. and reversed. and he's jesus. AND he could handle they/them pussy.
tyrion :) in the twow sample chapter he sees bokkoko making out with his boyfriend which he observes without judgement. and he's nice to sweets just kinda 🤨 about them and yezzan.
arianne<3 she's somehow confused as to why renly didnt want to fuck her i KNOW modern au arianne wants/has gay best friends. is cool with bisexual legend daemon sand who fucked her uncle and she's like idc he's still #husbandmaterial
olenna tyrell ACTUAL ally of the millennium. of course there's loras but she also settled for mace tyrell cos she knew daeron wanted to run around westeros with his little boyfriend.
on the fence, could go either way:
corlys+rhaenys were cool with gay ivf when they let luke be heir 👍 they still made him marry his cousin though cos feudal bloodlines matter more than the sanctity of gay fatherhood :/
hoster tully. let your gay brother stay unmarried ffs
confirmed homophobes:
FUCKING CERSEI.... remember when she was like UGH i bet that conniving skank margaery has her brothers... proclivities.... perhaps i can get one of her girls to say she beds them... 5 chapters later she's having gay sex. love her whole deal.
balon greyjoy cos he was mean to theon about the necklaces
the evil farman brothers who i shan't even name...
randyll tarly.
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RAMBLE TIME BUCKLE UP
SPOILERS AHEAD FOR TRIALS OF APOLLO AND BASICALLY EVERY PERCY JACKSON BOOK EVER BUT MOSTLY TOA, ESPECIALLY THE BURNING MAZE.
TLDR at the end.
spoilers start now ok bye
Here are some facts that we know for sure:
1. Percy Jackson is named after Perseus, the Greek hero who killed Medusa.
2. Perseus is one of the only, if not THE only Greek hero to not die tragically.
3. Rick Riordan is VERY careful about how he uses names throughout the series, something he addresses from the very beginning when Percy gets to camp. Percy says Zeus’s name (or Kronos’s, can’t remember which and I’m lazy right now) and the sky rumbles, and Chiron warns Percy that names have power and to use them carefully. Later, in Tartarus (if I’m remembering correctly), Percy and Annabeth are wary of using names because of their proximity to monster respawn points.
4. The only other main character named after a Greek hero is Jason Grace.
Here are some things we can assume, based on Rick’s writing style and the details he has given us:
1. A character’s name will tell you something about them. That’s a Riordan near-guarantee.
1a. For example: Piper being a reference to the Pied Piper since she can get anyone to do anything for her, even follow her off a bridge.
1b. Or Magnus and Alex being confirmed from the beginning because Rick mentioned that he stole the name Magnus from Cassandra Clare. (She wrote The Mortal Instruments, which contains a gay couple named Magnus and Alec (Alexander).)
1c. Or Leo being named after the great inventor Leonardo daVinci (not confirmed, but they’re so similar it’s hard to believe otherwise).
1d. A castellan is the governor of a castle who enforces the law around the land. They also have military responsibility. Luke Castellan. nuff said.
2. NAMES HAVE POWER IN THIS UNIVERSE. Sally literally named Percy after a Greek hero to keep his roots close in a subtle way, but she purposefully picked a Greek hero that lives.
2a. HUGE example: Castor and Pollux. In myth, sons of Jupiter. Castor is mortal while Pollux is immortal, and Castor dies. (Slightly irrelevant but Rick loves taking notes from other authors so: In The Hunger Games, part of Katniss’s film team. Castor dies, Pollux lives.) In PJO, sons of Dionysus. Castor dies during Battle of the Labyrinth, while Pollux lives.
The one exception to this rule is Jason Grace. Or so I thought.
If you read the myth pertaining to Jason (Golden Fleece, Argo the First, Medea, etc) you find out that Jason of the Argo dies when he falls asleep on his ship underneath the rotting mast and it falls and kills him. There’s a lot of other stuff that goes down, but for the sake of being succinct, here’s a link to the myth for your perusal:
The only other SUPER MEGA IMPORTANT DETAIL from this myth: Argo Jason, by cheating on Medea, falls out of favor with Hera, while in PJO/HOO, Hera actively names Jason 2.0 and claims him as her champion. (despite him being. Y’know. The proof of her husband being a jackass to her. quality time with the stepmom right there.)
Putting this all together:
1. Sally purposefully named Percy after a Greek hero who lived, indicating fear that he would die if she chose a different name
2. Names have power and Rick puts meaning behind every single name he uses.
3. Jason dies in The Burning Maze.
The real kicker is that they both die in the same way: having lost everything, with so much still to do, dying a completely avoidable death because they weren’t paying attention to what was going on behind them. There’s differences, obviously, because Jason Grace is actually a good person, but those are inconsequential as the big picture is all the same. (We see these similarities happen A LOT with Percy, especially when he kills Medusa.)
We should have known. Rick laid out all the pieces for us from the very beginning, even (possibly) going so far as to straight up tell us that one of the seven would die (again, not confirmed, I saw it in a meme and maybe his twitter? idk im ty ty).
so:
TLDR: Rick Riordan left a gigantic trail of breadcrumbs that should have clued us all in to the fact that Jason was gonna die long before it happened.
And no, I will never shut up about Jason. Justice for my favorite white boy.
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lizaluvsthis · 5 months
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PUTTING AN INFO DUMP-
Btw James Bailey AKA Voice actor of SMG3 is out on livestream saying something about SMG3's character
James: Okay so- Imagine shadow the hedgehog... but GAY *proceeds to laugh*
If anyone who doesn't know- Shadow the hedgehog's character seems to almost match SMG3 without deep tone of his voice and other of the stuff- but his ego, temper, edgy, and eye color matches SMG3
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The Title from Hobo Bros called "About SMG3"
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I guess it leaves a confirmation there that Kevin (aka Luke's brother) had wrote the episode "Snowtrapped" And Luke adding in that SMG3 and SMG4 Had S3X in that Igloo, not Kevin knowing about it.
So it actually turns out that he didn't put that in there and Luke DID THAT ON PURPOSE- (i mean- we love an enemies to lovers trope AHRIGJEQJ)
And also reading the wiki about smg3
"Smg3 appears to be smarter than smg4 in the series, but is also gay like him (even though it isn't fully confirmed that SMG4 is gay)" so this is also part of the smg4 mysteries as mentioned.
But later on the episodes, smg4 is hinted as Bisexual coming into full aware that he's been gay ever since the start (not sure if it really is canon but it IS hinted)
If you don't believe me I suggest you take a look back in SMG4'S new castle, where SMG4 moves in feom his room. And smg3 telling him- whats gonna happen if you bring home a girl? AND OR- BOY?
And also hinted smg3 as Pansexual back in the episode- The mystery of the missing Blue and White
When SMG4 goes missing, Mario asks SMG3. "Look, do you know where your girlfriend SMG4 is?" SMG3 tells mario something.
"well first off he would be the boyfriend and I would be the girlfriend. And second yes I sorta do. He's in... wait a minute..."
Smg3 starts to panic cuz the dude told SMG3 that he should never tell anyone where they are or where he is.
Mario says this. "LOOK DUDE THIS GUY WAS YOUR GAY FRIEND! you two had fun trying to kill each other! And he's going to die if you dont help!" AND SO SMG3 EVEN HELPED THEM- LIKE- AAAAA-
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HOBO Theatre: SMG3 Prepares for WOTFI 2020
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The first start of the clip is a great way to clap your hands on.
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Its impossible- HOW CAN THEY NOT BE CANON STILL??? LIKE ITS RIGHT INFRONT OF OUR EYES- CHILL? NO- I DONT NEED TO BE CHILL- AND HERE WE ARE WAITING- UUURGGHHHHHHHHH
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Oh and I forgot to add that no Viserys was also right about genetics being surprising. That the Velaryon boys are white with brown hair is no proof that they are "bastards". There is white in their family and the show even confirms that the boys have blood from the baratheon family. There is nothing to prove by their appearance that they are not the children of Laenor and Rhaenyra, even if we the viewer know that they are not.
I don't even know how to answer. The boys are obviously bastards in both the book and the show. Even if the Greens didn't exist, rumors about their origins would still exist. Especially if Daemon's children existed. The twins were born from the union of Velaryon and Targaryen, like Rhaenyra's eldest boys (officially). People might just look at Baela and Rhaena first, and then Jace, Luke and Joffrey, and then wonder what went wrong.
My feelings for Jace, Luke and Joffrey are complicated. They were good people and Rhaenyra loved them very much, but I think Rhaenyra made a mistake when she decided to have children out of wedlock. And I can understand how Jace was born, and even Luke. After all, Alicent, without a drop of Valyrian blood, constantly gave birth to children with Valyrian appearance. There was a possibility that Rhaenyra's sons could be like their mother. But after Luke was born, it was already clear that there was no hope that the third baby would look like a Targaryen.
Although I kind of like how Rhaenyra basically told Viserys and his council to fuck off after they forced her to marry a famous gay man, and decided to have children with the man she chose.
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poelya · 28 days
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mark "of course luke is gay" hamill, oscar "in my view, he's quite open-minded, kind of fluid" isaac, and billy dee "they were lovers" williams just confirming that flyboys are the best kind of characters in star wars, send tweet
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knightsickness · 2 years
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kiyotaka ishimaru is literally the luke skywalker chanel boots tweet to me. like he didn’t have a homoerotic rivalry turn into a somehow even more homoerotic friendship and then die tragically about it and have the creators confirm that if the two of them had survived they would have lived together and realised their feelings for each other for people to say nagito was the first gay in danganronpa. mr ishimaru i SAW your chanel boots
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skepticalarrie · 1 year
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How come louis was never linked to any other man in all these years other than Harry? I don't think hot luke was anything more than a friend.. Louis being gay was kind of confirmed by many even by H in early days.. even if it was not for GP, I don't think even the fandom has ever talked about him being with any other man.. is he that good at keeping it private or was he gay only for H? May I know your thoughts on this??
Yeah I wonder why. I think you figured it all out anon
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An interesting counter-argument that I've seen to Rhaenyra's sons being fathered by Harwin and not Laenor is that while Fire and Blood describes Jace, Luke, and Joff's brown hair & brown eyes, we never actually get the same for Harwin. So, according to this idea, Harwin may not have had these traits at all.
While this is something that I hadn't picked up on, my issue with this idea is that Fire & Blood does actually confirm his looks, through passages like this -
Aemond said it was his brother Aegon who had told him they were Strongs, and Prince Aegon said only, “Everyone knows. Just look at them.”
This takes place in 120 AC, the same year that Harwin has gone back to Harrenhall. Previously, he's lived at court for Aegon's entire life, so Aegon knows full well what this man looked like. He also knows what his nephews look like, having lived at the same castle with them. There isn't really a need for the text to directly state Harwin's looks, if there are passages that talk about his physical resemblance to the boys which in turn would confirm that yes, he must logically also have had these same looks in order for people to have these suspicions?
The fact is, if Alicent wanted to persuade Viserys to listen to her about the succession, then recklessly accusing his daughter of such a thing would not only be incredibly dangerous but the wrong way to go about it. She needed to base her suspicions on something reasonable, and the argument she uses is that all three boys look like Harwin Strong when there is absolutely no logical or plausible reason for them to be that way. I also want to point that far as I recall in both the book & show, Alicent never uses Laenor's sexuality or Harwin being Rhaenyra's shield as a justification. As in she never tries to argue that because Laenor being gay is an open secret that automatically means he isn't capable of having kids with Rhaenyra, or that if those kids aren't Laenor's then they must be Harwin's given that he is her sworn shield and therefore nobody would find the idea of them being alone together suspicious. No, she challenges their legitimacy on the basis that these kids all look like a man whom they have no blood relation to.
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LGBTQ+ Disabled Characters Showdown Round 1, Wave 5, Poll 1
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A character being totally canon LGBTQ+ and disabled was not required to be in this competition. Please check qualifications and propaganda before asking why a character is included.
Check out the other polls in this wave and prior here.
(Also yes, this is a repost, the previous poll was set to 1 day)
Luke Skywalker-Star Wars
Qualifications:
his own dad cut his hand off :( THE gay character of Star Wars
Vader cuts off his hand in The Empire Strikes Back and he's very commonly portrayed as gay and/or aro in fanon. I think he might have been quietly confirmed as bi in some of the new canon novels but I'm not super familiar with OT-era EU material.
Propaganda:
Chanel boots etc etc
he was wearing the chanel boots. he saved the universe with the power of love and kindness. just look at him
Jimmy Kaga-Ricci -I Was Born for This
Qualifications:
He’s trans and has a severe anxiety disorder.
Propaganda:
This book series is like the personification of ye basic boy band novel except it’s actually queer and the characters are interesting. It focuses a bit more on the fan side which is neat. Also Jimmy is trans and its not like some big secret which is nice.
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miraculousbohemian · 1 month
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Found a Vine site while procrastinating so I'll bless you with this thing.
Gabrielle: Xena, oh my gods...
Xena: what??
Gabrielle: Is that a hickey?
Xena: What? No, it's my Pop Tart, I was saving it for later. *eats it*
Ares, yelling into a valley: PENIS
Also Ares: *trips over a bag of McDonald's*
Joxer: Who's coming to my party on Saturday, there's gonna be a taco guy there.
Ares: we're going to Aphrodite's, there's gonna be a spaghetti guy there.
Joxer: fuck the spaghetti guy.
Ares: fuck you.
Leah: Yeah, that's the bee's knees.
Meg: The cat's pajamas!
Diana: ...the chicken's trousers???
Meg: what the fuck was that diana.
Leah: you guys, come on-
Random dude: yeah, I actually gave my horse swim lessons
Xena: oh that's cool dude... My horse gave me swim lessons.
Dude: what.
Xena: she's a life guard.
Con man: so you'll do it?
Joxer, sipping a drink: yeah man I'll kill him
Con man: for how much?
Joxer: *fucking around and about to find out* i dunno, 30?
Con man: Thirty grand?
Joxer: *spits out drink*
Ares: so i invite my dad to my birthday party and he shows up, but only to take a shit and leave. what's up with that?
Xena: hey guys, happy Ares Sucks Thursday!
Ares: what's Ares Sucks Thursday?
Gabrielle: why would we ever tell you ares.
Xena: and you wrote here that you were an assassin?
Eve: yes sir.
Xena: h-h-how? how many confirmed kills do you-
Xena: yo dude. we can talk with our minds now so we'll be in each other's heads.
Ares: forever?
Xena: exactly bitch.
Ares: ...oh no.
*pop*
S6 Gabrielle: I'm you from the future
S1 Gabrielle: YEAH OBVIOUSLY BITCH
S6 Gabrielle: I don- I don't remember acting like that-
(if ares wasn't a girlfail in S5EP17/18 I can't remember the one with fake death hijinks)
Eve: mom, dad, why isn't Argo moving?
Xena and Gabrielle: *share a look*
Gabrielle: Argo killed herself.
Xena: killed herself, honey.
S1 Gabrielle: alright, so your total will be 2.29 dinars and a kiss on the lips
S1 Xena: no.
S1 Gabrielle: hah. yes.
Julius: wow me in five seconds, go.
Xena: waddup my name's Xena, I'll stab you if you do not hire me and i love horses
Julius: ...i guess you're hired.
Xena: ARE YOU SERIOUSLY?!
Gabrielle: hey, we think school maths sucks so we made our own, show 'em Eve
Eve: alright, so, instead of, like, numbers we use trees
Aphrodite: hey everybody today my brother pushed me so I'm starting a Kickstarter to put him down. The benefits of killing him would be I would get pushed way less.
Gabrielle: how much money would you give me to fall asleep right now?
Xena, visibly sleep deprived: I dunno, like a billion dinars?
Gabrielle, internally: i woke up the next morning, a billionaire.
Meg: can I use the restroom?
Leah: i don't know, can you?
Meg, getting up: yeah
Leah: where are you going?
Meg: I'm gonna go poop.
Meg: stop copying me
Xena: stop copying me
Meg: I'm gay.
Xena: you are?
Meg: I've been waiting so long to tell you
Xena: it's okay man-
(first two are it's just luke, others are Josh Kennedy, both from Vine)
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