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artist-issues · 2 months

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A little late, but reading your take on Enchanted made me remember how much I love that movie. What are your thoughts on the rest of it? Like say, what do the Prince and Nancy represent? What about the villains? I’m curious how they fit into the allegory

Prince Edward is just like Giselle in the sense that he does what people accuse Disney Princes of doing, and it's funny--but it's rewarded by the narrative, because it's actually a good thing.

People think a Disney Prince is just some dumb hunk with no personality, because he's "just there to be the obligatory love interest so the girl can't save herself." But that's a twisted, hollow way to look at it.

Prince Edward is

Active -- he actually does something, not just in his spare time but when faced with a problem or a dilemma. Doesn't matter if it's troll-hunting or braving a strange world to rescue his bride or turning on a dime to fight his own step-mother when she turns out to be evil. He actually acts.

Keeps His Commitments -- When Prince Eric commits to Ariel he commits; jumps in the water to fight a sea-goddess single-handedly. When Prince Charming says he'll give his heart to Snow White but then she disappears, he won't rest till he's found her. When Prince Edward's fiancée disappears, he won't stop searching for her, either.

Genuinely Cares About the Princess -- People act like Princes in Disney movies are just obligatory--they don't actually care about the girl, there's no real tension or getting to know each other or whatever. That's such bull, obviously. In fairy tales, you cram a lot of nuance into a little scene. The Prince meets Snow White singing at a well and promises his heart to her; but it's after he hears her singing about her heart's fondest desires, after he observes that she's surrounded by doves that aren't afraid of her, after he notices she's just a scullery maid; and he still chooses her. Disney appeased everybody by adding in more rom-com moments with later Princes, like Aladdin and the Beast, but truthfully, Princes do what Princesses do; they know what virtues they're looking for in a good soulmate, so they don't need much to recognize it when it crosses their paths. Then they commit. Edward is willing to go on a date with Giselle. When she grows, he's confused, but he'll go with her. She doesn't sing with him anymore but that doesn't mean he ditches her. When she's cursed and be can't wake her he's 100% onboard with Robert doing it--because it doesn't have to be him, he just cares about her.

Has Just As Much Faith As the Princess -- One of the things Princes and Princesses use as the litmus test of whether or not they're soulmates in Disney movies is if they're both believers in the same Idea. Ariel and Eric are the perfect example. They both believe in something that everyone around them thinks is totally crazy. Eric believes in the fated, Right Girl. Ariel believes the Surface World can be worth loving. Those two things get united when they meet each other. Prince Edward longs to find the woman who's his other half, a companion who fits into his heart and makes his life more than just one quest after the other. (And he's so sweet about it.) He's very romantic. Giselle's been dreaming of her true companion, too. They have that in common, that faith that somebody right for them is out there. It just...so happens that that person isn't each other. But they're not wrong that someone is out there, which is why he is rewarded by winding up with Nancy.

Anyway. If Giselle is the Disney movie, so is Prince Edward.

And yeah, he's not quick on the uptake, he's super confident that everything he's doing is right, and he's definitely convinced that Nathaniel actually likes him. But that is okay. Because Edward is uncomplicated. He knows that what he's setting out to do is Right, so what bothers him is never "people here are mean" or "I'm not the hero in this world." Did you notice that? He's never bothered when he finds out he's not the hero. He's only bothered when the idea that Good won't win is threatened.

He's the first one to turn and look at Robert and go "unless...!" excitedly when he realizes his own kiss isn't working. No trace of bitterness. No suspicion. Just eager to solve the problem.

That's why he's great. His confidence came from being the champion of Goodness. Doing the right thing. He doesn't care if he's not the one who wins. He just cares that it's someone Good who's winning.

Then you have Nancy, who is the first of the "normal" people from our world to really give in to the idea of "True Love's Kiss" being a viable solution, right on the spot. Meaning there was space in her brain to believe in it.

I guess if I had to try to distill it, I'd say Nancy is just the reverse-Giselle. In the allegory (it's not all one-to-one) I would say...if Giselle (and to a lesser extent, Edward) is the Disney movie, and Robert is the skeptic, Nancy is us. She's not quite Giselle, not quite Robert...she's someone who wants to believe that the Disney Philosophy is true, but the problem is, nobody in our world believes it or acts like it.

She's looking for a fairy tale but she's stuck in our world. The moments where she's happy with Robert are moments when he's doing something an open-hearted, genuine, selfless and chivalrous Disney Prince would do. The kind of guy who knows who he is and knows what's Good and values Love, so he isn't ashamed or insecure to come right out and declare it.

Gentleness is power, under control. A man in love should have no fear of vulnerability, which again, takes faith—because love isn't about you. It's selfless. Why worry about how telling a girl you love her will make you look, will make you feel? So what if she rejects you; you thought she was worth loving, you gave her that enormous compliment--so what if she doesn't return it? You know who you are. You didn't need her validation--that was never the point of the love-declaration--it was for her. You kindly gave her the world's best compliment, good job, now on to other worthy things. It would've been great if she wanted the same outcome of that love as you did, but she didn't, and that's great too, because it was never that much about you. So you don't have to be hurt, angry, embarrassed, jealous, or any of the anti-love things we associate with bogus unrequited "love."

But in our world, men don't act like that anymore. Because it's all about you. Can't tell the girl how you feel because she might hurt you. How would you be hurt? By finding out she doesn't feel the way you would prefer her to feel about you, by mocking what you've deemed precious, etc. It's all about you, you, you, fear fear fear, etc.

Still, you can tell Nancy thinks she got as close as she could to the fairy-tale guy with Robert because in her first scene, when she finds Robert and Giselle together, she goes on that rant about how she thought he was "sensitive" and "protecting Morgan." Those are the traits she's attracted to; the idea that he wasn't protecting himself, he was protecting his daughter--the idea that he was careful with emotions for other people's sake, not his own--that he cared about emotions at all.

But that's not what it was, it was self-protection, over-planning. Still, the second he's willing to send her flowers or make any kind of heart-on-his sleeve, straightforward gesture of affection, she is SO ready to believe in him again.

She's the grown up who wants to find the Disney fairy tale in "real life" and she's doing the best she can with what she can find. Kinda like a lot of us who grew up on Disney and didn't want to accept the derisive cynical mocking of Disney as we got older, but what could we do?

But good news! It's real! The Good, the Beautiful, the True, exists, and it comes for her.

Then you've got Narissa, the villainess.

She's interesting because she's totally the opposite of everything the movie says is Good. Giselle and Edward wear their hearts on their sleeves—Narissa manipulates people's fondest desires for her own gain. Robert needs to learn to have faith—Narissa believes everybody is out to take what's hers.

Edward gives the gift of love freely, first to Giselle, then, unshaken when she doesn't give him the same, to Nancy—Narissa takes the adoration of people like Nathaniel and treats them like garbage in return.

I also think Pip is important, and it's important that Narissa is defeated by him.

She's brought down by the tiny chipmunk who's been treated with true kindness and friendship by the Princess. The chipmunk who can talk and understand what's going on and be useful, even in a world where people like Robert think there's no such thing. Pip is the unlikely "something wonderful will happen" in our world that Robert didn't believe in. He's the little, fairy tale element that nobody could plan for or calculate or control, coming in to save the day.

How very Disney of him. Ya'll get off of Wish. Disney's tribute to 100 years of fairy tale animation? It has nothing on Enchanted.

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knightotoc · 10 months

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evviejo · 27 days

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STAR TREK: PICARD // S1E10 Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2 I gave you a choice. Not being the Destroyer was up to you. It always was.

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the-goofball · 1 year

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Season 1 reaction to Season 3.

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#star trek picard #raffi musiker #seven of nine #holo squad #elnor #agnes jurati #laris #cristobal rios #commodore oh #hugh borg #kirsten clancy #narissa

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dumblemonchickenwing · 8 months

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As much as I understand that its realistic that sweet looking people can be deceiving and manipulative, I just feel a bit sad that Ruby Gillman wasn't about Ruby and Chelsea bonding, because I feel the movie would bring much bigger emotioinal impact (at least on me).

Two different types of sea creatures bond over them being sea creatures in the world of humans, with beautiful visuals and form deeper emotional connection (and break the pattern of hatred between their own kind) is all.

#ruby gillman spoilers #ruby gillman teenage kraken #chelsea ruby gillman #narissa #ruby gillman #also chelsea apparently being a grown woman is really creepy and wrong on many levels #text #opinion #personal #subjective opinion #not to be sappy and giving sob stories but that would be like a message that two types of different #minorities can bond and be friends despite belonging to different groups of minorities #chelsea nerissa #nerissa ruby gillman

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pixiedane · 1 month

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I am having an existential crisis about the fact that the characters I love most are universally denied a happy ending.

#elliot stabler #anakin skywalker #ben solo #daenerys targaryen #wanda maximoff #asuka langley soryu #jinx arcane #katrina cornwell #natasha romanoff #etta bishop #pawter simms #leslie shay #cersei lannister #padmé amidala #narissa #sorcha #its me hi im the problem its me

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quasi-normalcy · 2 years

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This is just incredible

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letsgoleliana · 8 months

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#narissa #my art #i love putting a pink tint over scenes so i dont have to worry abt colours #illustration

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majoris · 1 year

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Star Trek: Picard | s01e06 | The Impossible Box

#picardedit #treksource #trekedit #star trek picard #trekdaily #picard #stp #cristóbal rios #agnes jurati #hugh #soji asha #jean-luc picard #raffi musiker #narissa #agnebal #stps #~#~sc

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star-trek-fandom-confessions · 9 days

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About the confession #562 :

1)I do think star trek showrunners tooks inspiration from other successful show.

2) Alex Kurtzman admitted it in an interview: Discovery and Picard were influenced by Games of thrones. Narissa/Narek was probably created after Jaime/Cersei and all the darker tone, the death for shock value is coming from Game of thrones's influence.

2)Whatever it's bad or not doesn't matter. It wasn't plagiarism. Narek isn't Jaime, Narissa isn't Cersei and as for La'an, she isn't Drummer, same for M'Benga and Fred.

3)Maybe the star trek writers like the expanse and that's all. It's just inspiration, a way for the writers to honour characters and stories from a show they like.

4) TV shows having queer representation aren't necessary well written (looking 👀 at you Shadowhunters)

4)I love the expanse, but not everyone is going to like it.

5)We can argue and debate about Babylon 5/DS9 but not with star trek/the expanse or star trek/Games of thrones.

6) game of thrones had the more impact on the new star trek shows and many other shows including the expanse: the 10-14 episodes formule 😩😩😩🤬🤬🤬🤬😡😡🫤🫤🫤😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

Posting this as response.

#response to confession #confession 562 #star-trek-fandom-confessions #star trek #discovery #picard #narissa #narek #la'an noonien singh #joseph m'benga

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raurquiz · 17 days

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defconprime · 7 months

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Peyton List as Lieutenant Rizzo

#star trek tng #star trek cards #star trek picard #peyton list #narissa

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raffaelamusiker · 10 months

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Masterlist

#raines bracket poll #star trek picard #star trek #elnor #narissa #vote #picard poll #star trek poll

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creative-soul-22 · 10 months

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Thoughts on Queen Narissa & Nathaniel

Narissa and Nathaniel appear like the comedic villain-duo like Kronk and Yzma (the beautiful evil mastermind and the stupid, ugly sidekick).

But there is SO MUCH MORE to them!

Obviously Nathaniel is truly, madly, deeply in love with Narissa. That's actually quite sad when you think about how cold-hearted she is and how badly she treats him. She abuses his will to do literally everything for her to make him do things he doesn't want to because Nathaniel isn't all that cold-hearted. And yet he hasn't got a choice to stand up against her since he knows she has power over him not only because he depends on her.

Given that they are both from our world Nathaniel might also stick around Narissa because he probably hopes to still be able to safe her. He might knew (and loved) her before she became evil, making it even harder for him to stand against her. He was forced to watch Narissa turning bad and couldn't do anything.

Narissa might got cursed when she married the former king of Andalasia with the same curse Giselle gets cursed when wishing for a fairytale life in "Disenchanted". When Giselle wishes for a fairytale life, she is Morgan's stepmother and Narissa had become Edward's stepmother by marrying the king.

Narissa sends Endward troll-hunting every morning to distract him from finding a girl and marrying in order to remain in power. Like the book in the picture says: "She lived in fear that one day her stepson would marry and she would lose her throne forever." That might sound selfish of her but given that she is from the real world where she once gave her whole life up, leaving family and friends behind who probably assume that she's dead makes it less selfish. Even if she left no friends and family behind, she still has been gone for a very long time in which New York changed a lot. One way or another, she has no home to return to. The throne is all she got. She is not from Andalasia. So if she loses the throne she'll probably be kicked out of Andalasia because there is no need for her anymore. So of course the idea of probably ending up in a New York where everything has changed with nothing except her clothes and nowhere to return to frightens her so she does everything to remain in the throne.

Nathaniel has zero self-confidence since he considers himself ugly. He knows he is not as handsome as Prince Edward making him the ugly guy in Andalasia. And he hates himself for that. In the motel he realizes he needs to love himself if he wants Narissa to love him, because how should she be able to love him if he even can't love himself? The thing is he thinks there is nothing to love about him so he assumes Narissa will never love him what ends him up in a bar. You can see he has been crying when on top of all this Narissa appears in his drink and scolds him for being unsuccessful in his attempts to kill Giselle.

She also calls him "worthless" when she finds him in New York.

When Robert wakes up Giselle with a true love's kiss, Nathaniel realizes everything is lost for Narissa and that it's too late for her. He might sees that no one can save her and turns down on her. He then finds the courage to stand up against her and threat her with the sword. This must be hard for him since he is letting Narissa go, knowing she is not the woman anymore that she used to be. Narissas death is tragic yet a mercy since her life wouldn't have been worth living after all that has happened at the ball.

Nathaniel, however, moves on and becomes a bestselling-author by writing a book about Narissa ("My Royal Pain: Vanquishing the Evil Queen Within").

#disney enchanted #disney #enchanted #narissa enchanted theory #narissa #queen narissa #nathaniel #character theory #movie theory #theory #susan sarandon

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romulanslutempire · 10 months

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"The Romulans are very moral, Captain. They have an absolute certainty about what is right and what is wrong, who is a friend and who is an enemy, a strict moral compass which provides them with a clarity of purpose."

#*#sera #narissa #sera of romulus #narissa of romulus #sera x narissa #narissa x sera #star trek #star trek: picard #star trek: strange new worlds #snw #picard #peyton list #adelaide kane #romulan #colonel narissa #star trek au #verse: picard

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best-star-trek-character · 1 year

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Round One

#best picard character competition #Narissa #Narissa Star Trek #worf #st worf #pic Worf #st #pic #picard #best star trek character competition

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