#anti unreasonable snape antis

[fanfic-lover-girl]

Snape != Harry

Snape and Harry both had bad childhoods. Snape has no excuse -

Harry was sorted into the good house.

Snape and Harry both had bad childhoods. Snape has no excuse -

Harry had two best friends who always came back or never left him even when he treated them like dirt and lashed out at them.

Snape and Harry both had bad childhoods. Snape has no excuse -

Harry had adults who loved and cared about him. Even Snape who disliked him, was his personal dark guardian angel.

Snape and Harry both had bad childhoods. Snape has no excuse -

Harry almost always put Draco in his place. You can count on one hand the number of times Draco overpowered him. Harry nearly killed him once.

Snape and Harry both had bad childhoods. Snape has no excuse -

Harry's fights with Draco were usually even 3vs3. Arguably, Draco was the one outnumbered in the book 4 and 5 group assaults on the train.

Snape and Harry both had bad childhoods. Snape has no excuse -

Harry came from a wealthy family and his godfather left him even more dough. Harry was set for life.

Snape and Harry both had bad childhoods. Snape has no excuse -

Harry got to live his adult life in peace and have a wonderful family with the girl he loved.

Snape and Harry both had bad childhoods. Snape has no excuse -

Hermione/Ron would have hexed Draco to smithereens if Draco sexually assaulted Harry the way James did Snape. Hermione/Ron would not smile either.

Snape and Harry both had bad childhoods. Snape has no excuse -

Harry did not have to witness Hermione or Ginny get with Draco.

Snape and Harry both had bad childhoods. Snape has no excuse -

Harry always saw Hogwarts as his home and his happy place. Hogwarts is where Snape had his worst memory.

Snape and Harry both had bad childhoods. Snape has no excuse -

Harry and Draco ended the series being civil. Unlike Remus and Sirius who still had hate boners for Snape in their thirties.

Snape and Harry both had bad childhoods. Snape has no excuse -

Snape had to do a profession he was not suited for nor he liked for his mission. Harry was a renowned Auror respected by the wizarding world.

Snape and Harry both had bad childhoods. Snape has no excuse -

Harry had a surrogate family who loved him dearly and readily accepted him.

Snape and Harry both had bad childhoods. Snape has no excuse -

Snape was surrounded by pureblood supremacists in school as a disadvantaged mudblood half-blood.

Snape and Harry both had bad childhoods. Snape has no excuse -

Snape never truly had a safe place where he felt loved. School and home were hell.

Snape and Harry both had bad childhoods. Snape has no excuse!

#severus snape #pro snape #hermione granger #ron weasley #harry potter #snape fandom #snapedom #anti snaters #severus snape deserved better #anti marauders #anti lily evans #lily is a bitch #anti james potter #anti jily #draco malfoy #anti victim blaming #anti lily potter #sirius black #remus lupin #anti unreasonable snape antis

[moonlightdancer26]

Me when I defend Snape so much and remember that Snaters brush me off as just “some Snape apologist” even though I actually have so many criticisms of his awful actions, love his deep-rooted flaws and complexities, love to analyse how much his horrible childhood shaped him out to be for the rest of his life and how it turned him into what he hated most (a bully), and usually the only times I defend him are when his haters misconstrue what he did and make up fanon claims about him, not because I can’t handle when they say anything bad about a character I love, but because I simply can’t handle when people misunderstand his character (for better or for worse):

#it’s not my fault that snape antis make up a bunch of unreasonable things abt him during their arguments #like #just because i correct you about the blatantly incorrect things you say about him does NOT mean that i brush off his actually-canon flaws #like i obviously love him for all his flaws #i just dislike when ppl make false claims abt him and use them as reasons to hate him when there are way better arguments you can use #i hate when ppl think i’m just a snape d-rider like no i actually just understand him more than you ever will #ugh please tell me someone understands what i feel #i think snape is a total a$$hole but if you say anything WRONG about him i WILL correct you on it (whether you use it to defend him or not) #anti snaters #severus snape #pro snape #pro severus snape #snape #harry potter #hp

[hereticcryptid]

I no longer like hp so much why does tiktok keep giving me videos 😭

And it's always anti Snape too

These arrogant mfs are actually proud of going around commenting on Snape posts "Stan James Potter". They are saying he wasn't bullied enough. They are saying they woukd have bullied him too

Wtf how can someone think this is ok. Physically holding myself back from commenting because the very video states that they will just be unreasonable assholes

#pro severus snape #severus snape #snape #snape love #snape is the tamest of my favs!!! #I love madmans!!! killers!!! #why do they hate only snape 😭

[ramblings-of-a-mad-cat]

I totally agree that it should’ve been Snape that threatened to revoke the club memberships. They made McGonagall so OOC in this quest. Book McGonagall can't stand innocent people suffering the consequences for someone else's actions. And she would never punish someone who genuinely regrets what they did that harshly, especially if it was an accident, and they're ready to make it up. They’ve made Snape a bit too nice in this game anyway.

Snape is a great character altogether, in basically every iteration he's had. Though starting with the films, his negative qualities were scaled back and he was made more likeable, and I bet Alan Rickman being cast had something to do with that as well. This really led to a major divide between fans and antis for Snape, and thankfully it doesn't seem that any arguments have carried over into HPHM, but all things considered he bears a much closer resemblance to his film characterization. That being that he's generally grumpy and hates everyone, but not to the point of bullying. He doesn't favor anyone and he rarely acts petty, the way he could in the books. Some of this can be explained away as Harry isn't at Hogwarts yet, and thus Snape doesn't have that emotional turmoil to deal with. But he wasn't exactly popular even before those years.

I wouldn't have minded seeing him take on a more aggressively antagonistic role. That can still happen now and then. After all, nothing came of it in this quest. The clubs were not shut down. Having Snape make the threat, but then honor his word and recant the punishment when everything gets fixed...that would have been a decent compromise between making him as unreasonable as he could get in the books...and also having a hidden, good heart like he had in the films. McGonagall, by contrast, could absolutely be strict and stand by her punishments...but it just wasn't warranted here, and there is absolutely no reasonable justification for extending the punishments to the other clubs, they didn't do anything wrong.

#Severus Snape #Harry Potter: Hogwarts Mystery #Harry Potter Books #Harry Potter Films #Minerva McGonagall #Harry Potter

[ottogatto]

@whataplottwistyouwere

I am replying to your post only because you tagged me in, mind you. I have no interest to reply to a post that has been tagged with “snape hate” and “anti snape” otherwise (as you did against thatawfulsnapeboy separately).

I’m going to highlight a problem with you, and maybe, if you do recognize what it is and wish to become a better person with whom people can discuss, you will correct later.

Since it concerns those Snape-Stans as well, I’ll tag them here and they can read if they wish – but be careful, it’s very long… and not easy to read.

@thatawfulsnapeboy

@littl-prince

@thepoetsvortex

@goldenzingy46

Here are the last two references I based my answer on:

https://whataplottwistyouwere.tumblr.com/post/622893782263824384/my-answer-to-ottogatto

https://whataplottwistyouwere.tumblr.com/post/622896645219188736/my-answer-to-thatawfulsnapeboy

You tell me this:

Okay first of all, of course I have no right to tell you what you should say or what you should think. […] I won’t force you to like anyone.

But you follow with this:

Of course you can hate James, but you can’t hate him for his bullying; because yourself, is supporting a bully. Which means you have unreasonable hatred AGANIST James.

AAAANND:

But you can’t + shouldn’t hate James because he was a bully.

When I have said these:

James and Snape both did wrong and right, and it’s our choice to forgive them or no, to stan them or no. Harry forgave both of them, with the rest of the Marauders. Harry, former Snape-hater, son of James Potter, godson of Sirius Black and friend of Remus Lupin, the Boy-Who-Lived-Twice himself, after 19 years of maturing and reflection, considered Snape the bravest man – with reasons, part of which I explained above.

[…] We have. Every right. To dislike a character. And like another. Especially if they are very different. No matter if it bothers you.

And thatawfulsnapeboy said this:

(also I do not hate James by the way ;) )

Your original post discussed how Harry was wrong in naming his child Albus Severus. The debate then morphed to discuss Snape and James. Now you start to bring up Jily vs Snily, in which I don’t have any interest about. I do not wish to discuss the personal preferences of fictional ships; not to mention that trying to prove one is “superior” to the other, one of which didn’t happen in canon, is pointless and absurd.

Are we surprised there though?

You said this:

Including you many Snape Fans forgave Snape for bullying. Snape was a bully , right? You can’t deny that. To Hermione To Harry To Neville. But you all forgave him.

Also Snape Fans usually make a list of bad stuff James does rather than justify Snape’s action (you can’t justify them tho)

(And I think it’s because I said that:

If people tell you not to forget that Snape had a terrible childhood that’s because there’s a reason? You literally claimed that Snape wasn’t a victim. There’s no higher bullshit.)

To which we replied these:

I do not believe that Severus is a ‘saint’, and, again, I have seen no one claim based on SWM that Severus is a perfect angel. The counterevidence is right there - he calls Lily a Mudblood, and calling your friends slurs does not a saint make. [@littl-prince]

He was indeed a very very bad teacher when it came to the emotional safety of his students. He was unbalanced and bitter and had a lot of unresolved traumas that were making him unsafe around children. [@thatawfulsnapeboy]

And you concluded this:

What I meant was you say Snape is a grey character and you said he bullied, yes. But you forgave him. And yet you can’t forgive James Potter.

Which shows that what you say to believe doesn’t accord at all with what you say, and that you assume wrongfully that we “forgave him”.

And it goes on again:

you didn’t understand what I meant with “snape had a hard childhood, but what about harry” Sorry , I should’ve been more descriptive. So: snape fans used his childhood trauma as an excuse and it was a reply to that.

Which is false in what we have said; but you can’t get the difference between explaining and excusing. I mean, you’re also the type who says that being 15 excuses everything. Here:

Harry had hard childhood too but he didn’t do this stuff. That’s what I meant.

Which denotes the incredible lack of comprehension in psychology AND the comprehension of the differences between Harry and Snape.

Here’s something that some may remember:

“Snape was abused but Harry was abused and turned out better than him!” is the same rhetoric abusive parents use to dismiss their children’s pain. This is a manifestation of profound lacking of understanding in psychology and trauma. As many people say, we are not in trauma Olympics, and you can’t condemn somebody for turning bad after severe traumas just because another one turned out all right. Might I add that Harry’s condition is far better than Snape. He had money, support from friends, professors and the headmaster, he was popular, and he didn’t live in constant danger or isolation. Snape, on the other hand, was severely poor, neglected, abused at home and at school, had no support from anybody than a helpless Gryffindor friend (who doesn’t understand the gravity of the situation), put among the wrong crowd from the start, and sure that, seeing how Hogwarts proves not to function by meritocracy but through social connections, he wouldn’t have been able to live a proper life, no matter if he was quite the decent, genius student (I do think he would have been in danger from the death eaters than knew him and harassed by the Marauders but we don’t exactly know).

And again:

HOW CAN YOU USE THIS AS AN EXCUSE. HE BULLIED CHILDREN. THE CHILDREN HE WAS RESPONSIBLE OF. AND HIM NOT WANTING JOB IS AN EXCUSE!!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME. This is absolutely no excuse. None of us do what we want to , but you can’t take your anger or your hatred from innocent children

And again:

What he did was unforgivable and unjustifiable

And again:

PLEASE DONT TRY TO MAKE AN EXCUSE. SNAPE FU**ED UP NEVILLES CHILDHOOD AND HIS MENTAL HEALTH. DO YOU THINK ITS OKAY. “It IsNt ThE WoRsT” I THOUGHT THIS TOPIC WAS OFF DEBATABLE. BULLYING A CHILD YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE OF ISNT OKAY.

When, as a good Snape-Stan said:

One of mutuals made a post about how snape stans ‘ignore the way he treats students,’ which is blatantly untrue. we don’t focus on it which is an act that enrages antis to the point where they can’t let a snape post pass without mentioning it. the snapedom is almost obsessed with mapping out snape’s psyche at every point of his life. we don’t ignore how he behaves with students- we have theories, explanations, headcanons. we just don’t go on and on about how disgusting snape is and that’s why antis think we don’t care.

Which you purposefully dismiss because somehow you can’t fathom how we can love a character without approving of their actions.

You say:

Okay so let’s start with that. James never used his priviliage as a pure blood. And you said Sirius black had a priviliage, but he was a “blood traitor”. None of them had privileges nor used them.

When I said:

When you see that the Light side is composed of pureblood people with political influence who gets away with threatening your life and making school a living hell.

[…] What do we have here? Pureblood wealthy elitist James who, with the help of another pureblood and two halfbloods, harasses an unpopular halfblood for 7 years, calling them out for liking a subject and belonging to a certain House – but mostly because, as they say, Snape is ugly and it’s fun to harass him.

We told you this:

Snape has kept his promise of not revealing Lupin‟s condition for years, since the Werewolf Prank. After his meltdown in front of the Minister of Magic, Dumbledore tells him: “Unless you are suggesting that Harry and Hermione are able to be in two places at once, I‟m afraid I don‟t see any point in troubling them further.” Snape, as a teacher, has likely been informed of Hermione‟s possession of a Time-Turner to attend to more classes. Snape is a clever man, so when Dumbledore tells him, despite being out of his mind, isn‟t it likely that he understood what Dumbledore implied? That he understood it was Dumbledore‟s plan to save Black? So of course Snape would be seething even more, but his loyalty to Dumbledore has withstood the test of time – he‟s one of the Headmaster‟s most loyal man. Snape is known for doing things even if he loathes himself (and Dumbledore) for it. After this, Snape leaved fuming toward his dungeons, and Dumbledore departs shortly after; it is also likely they had a discussion. The main idea is: what if Dumbledore had given permission to Snape to reveal Lupin was a Werewolf? Playing on Snape‟s bad reputation, showing that he isn‟t as loyal as we might think to Dumbledore, and that he knows to use stigmatisation weaknesses to punish the DADA professors, antagonizing Harry even further – all of this allows to picture Lupin as a more innocent man that if he had to be fired by Dumbledore for endangering his students multiple times based on personal beliefs that Black couldn‟t be a murderer, disobeying and failing Dumbledore‟s trust since he was a teenager, and forgetting the complicated Wolfsbane Potion that Snape brewed specifically for him every month to allow Lupin a job no one else would offer. Instead of blaming Snape, we see Dumbledore rather disappointed with an ashamed Lupin avoiding the Headmaster‟s eyes, leaving as quick as possible – soon after confessing to Harry. He never told Dumbledore that his friends had been freeing a Werewolf out of the Shack to walk to Hogsmeade – and as they‟ll admit, sometimes, they had been close to being discovered, because guess what, a Werewolf isn‟t completely controllable and can hunt for a human. Putting several lives in danger, great.

Here’s the extract:

“What sort of animal —?” Harry began, but Hermione cut him off. “That was still really dangerous! Running around in the dark with a werewolf! What if you’d given the others the slip, and bitten somebody?” “A thought that still haunts me,” said Lupin heavily. “And there were near misses, many of them. We laughed about them afterwards. We were young, thoughtless — carried away with our own cleverness. “I sometimes felt guilty about betraying Dumbledore’s trust, of course… he had admitted me to Hogwarts when no other headmaster would have done so, and he had no idea I was breaking the rules he had set down for my own and others’ safety. He never knew I had led three fellow students into becoming Animagi illegally. But I always managed to forget my guilty feelings every time we sat down to plan our next month’s adventure. And I haven’t changed…” Lupin’s face had hardened, and there was self-disgust in his voice. “All this year, I have been battling with myself, wondering whether I should tell Dumbledore that Sirius was an Animagus. But I didn’t do it. Why? Because I was too cowardly. It would have meant admitting that I’d betrayed his trust while I was at school, admitting that I’d led others along with me… and Dumbledore’s trust has meant everything to me. He let me into Hogwarts as a boy, and he gave me a job when I have been shunned all my adult life, unable to find paid work because of what I am. And so I convinced myself that Sirius was getting into the school using dark arts he learned from Voldemort, that being an Animagus had nothing to do with it… so, in a way, Snape’s been right about me all along.”

Besides, people will always accuse Snape – but who‟s the guy letting Lupin go out without salary or protection or shelf or anything? Dumbledore.

 Another extract :

There was a knock on the door. Harry hastily stuffed the Marauder’s Map and the Invisibility Cloak into his pocket. It was Professor Dumbledore. He didn’t look surprised to see Harry there. “Your carriage is at the gates, Remus,” he said. “Thank You, Headmaster.” Lupin picked up his old suitcase and the empty Grindylow tank. “Well — good-bye, Harry,” he said, smiling. “It has been a real pleasure teaching you. I feel sure we’ll meet again sometime. Headmaster, there is no need to see me to the gates, I can manage…” Harry had the impression that Lupin wanted to leave as quickly as possible.

Meaning that Remus put every students in danger for 1) not confiding in Dumbledore about Sirius’ Animagus form; 2) not informing him about the Marauders’ Map; 3) not taking his Wolfsbane; 4) betrayed Dumbledore as a teen and let the Marauders risk the lives of Hogsmeade people and their own; because he was a coward that wouldn’t admit his faults unless pushed to it.

And yet you follow up with this:

also I see your points in him exposing Remus but this is something really serious. We cant use his old anger as an excuse. He put Remus in the worst situation ever. He had to hide , all of his life because of Snape. Just because snape was angry. Yes, I understand what hatred means but his anger concluded with really big consequenses that aren’t acceptable

Not only that but you assume and radicalize my preferences about certain characters. About Fred and George I said this:

The level of Fred and George’s hexing – even though I don’t like how they burned a hold through Ron’s tongue, imprisoned Montague in a limbo, and killed an animal for fun – doesn’t reach at all the level of bullying James and the Marauders perpetrated. 

And you assumed this of me:

You were blaming James for hexing people. Then I suppose you hate Fred and George too?

Which is wrong, and is out of character because I said this about Hermione:

I do wish not to repeat myself about how Hermione mutilated someone’s face and gets out with it, though it could have been Dark Magic as well, seeing how it can’t get off and how serious this is (doesn’t mean I hate her – I actually like Hermione).

I do not condon the actions of some characters, and yet it doesn’t mean I hate them. On the other hand, I love certain characters, without necessarily “forgiving them” or “excusing” each of their actions  (contrary to what you assume).

I love Rick Sanchez – I wrote a mini fanfic where my OP criticizes his actions. I wrote a villain and I love him for the cathartic effect his actions allow me, but I know that I would utterly hate their guts in real-life. I love Snape and it would be, in my opinion, wrong to love an idealized version of him. Snape is not an angel. I have lived what he’s done to his students, and believe me, the consequences were far more serious that what Harry, Neville or Hermione had to follow through.

You said this about James:

another thing is let’s not forget that snape called his only friend a mudblood, so people might say “but it was a mistake we all make mistakes” well yes maybe it was a mistake to call LILY a mudblood, but he didn’t mind calling anyone else that, he only tried to not say it to lily cuz they were friends, but the beliefs are still existent.

Snape did everything I talked about as an adult. But Snape Fans ARENT over what a 15 year old boy did! So I’ll discuss that for hours.

To which I said:

You know how many would have died or suffered dementia from the Carrows’ torture? Harry, Draco, Katie Bell, Hermione, Sirius, Lupin, Dumbledore – Neville, Ginny, Luna – the whole school in 7th year. Yeah that’s right – praise the Marauders for fighting for those they love but when Snape saves everybody down to those he despises you take it for granted. Bad faith. What he did for the war deserves a medal.

[…] You just forget one thing: after 2 years of spying, he changed sides and conviction. He could have just given to Dumbledore the information that he had to protect Lily, her family and the Longbottoms who were also targeted – but no, despite everything, he stayed loyal until his very death, forbidding people to insult Muggle-Borns when he could.

(In other words he was loyal to the Light, fought Voldemort and wasn’t purist anymore but fought against it)

But then you act like this about 15 yo Snape:

Also dark magic SHOULDNT be considered. YES YOU HAVE TO STICK UP FOR YOURSELF BUT DARK MAGIC ISNT THE ANSWER. And if you think, using dark magic is acceptable; I don’t think I can change your mind

I believe it is called being hypocritical, having double-standards or lacking integrity.

Here’s your complaint:

Also you said “why Snape would ask forgiveness for his bully [to Voldemort]” Because when you are a nice person, you don’t care whether you like this person or not. You don’t want anyone to die. Even if that’s your biggest enemy. Don’t I have people who I hate? yes. But I would never want their death. And so didn’t James, so he saved Snape’s life’s . But sure , ignore this too.

Which forgets this:

About Voldemort killing a child, I don’t know – do you have evidence he was okay with that? Because what we know is that he can’t ask Voldemort to spare Harry, that would be suicide. He can’t ask Voldemort to spare James, that would be suicide as well as people know that Snape loathes his guts and joined Voldemort partly because he hated him. That would put his loyalty into question. Why do you think Dumbledore doesn’t seem to have asked Snape to ask Voldemort to spare James as well? It’s already extremely risky and brave to ask Voldemort to spare a Muggle-Born woman who’s defied him thrice and who’s the mother of the Prophecy-Voldemort-slayer. You know what he did three lines later? Just after he’s being called for it? He asked Dumbledore to save the whole family, and gives himself entirely for the cause: “Anything,” he says. He could have given up. He didn’t.

And this:

James saved Snape so you would expect he stopped when he saw the proportions it got? No. He keeps bullying Snape, ensured he’s covered by the Headmaster. He sexually assault him. Most of all, to Lily “what’s he done to you?” he replies “He exists”. And Sirius happily follows, like, as the book says, “a dog that had spotted a prey”.

James saved Snape’s life – but his problem is that he exists. What could be an interpretation given in the books? That his main motive was not to save Snape’s life because he didn’t wish people dead, no – because it would mean James expelled, Sirius sent to Azkaban, Remus executed, Dumbledore in difficulty, the Potter’s image ruined, and of course Snape’s best friend Lily rejecting him completely. She didn’t know indeed that Sirius was the one who sent Snape to the Shack to meet a werewolf – Severus wanted to tell the truth, he couldn’t of course.

 You say this:

My problem isn’t with Snape. My problem is him being overrated and him being “the bravest man” but he actually isn’t

Oh really?

On the other hand you complain about nobody seeing the good side ofJames when you literally reblogged mischief-marauders themselves several times.

You tagged your post with “severus snape” thus you can’t be surprised if people come to disagree

We tried to have calm conversations and you say that we act like this:

people argue with me over snape, then I wrote an essay. And they know they can’t justify anything, so they are “offline” now. Ughhh. if you support someone you have to be able to reply the antis. And if you can’t; reconsider who you support. I’m not hating for hating ; I’m hating because of reasons that makes sense

Which by the way is blatantly untrue seeing our essays against you, and how you scream at us – but then you wrote your essays like this:

i’m gonna be talking about is VERY sensitive topic to the harry potter fandom but here goes nothing... SNAPE! oh where should i even start? i’ll just say everything in no specific order. before we start, i would like to say that snape is an obsessive creepy bully and NOT a hero, here are a COUPLE of reasons why i think this. first off, snape wasn’t a victim in his younger years, i WON’T deny that he wasn’t bullied but it is canon that “snape wouldn’t miss an opportunity to hex james and the marauders whenever he got the chance” so i think it is CANON that he wasn’t a victim, just was part of an enemy battle […]

And this:

[…] Well yeah snape bullied the children but at least they did their homework!!!! Are you kidding me!!! Do you know how it’s like to having a bully teacher. You probably don’t know how it is. So please never ever use this excuse ever again. Also there’s literally nothing that you can justify why snape revealed Lupin’s identity. This is another proof snape never changed. He had anger against Sirius for decades. And you know why he had an anger , cuz Sirius was everything he wanted to be. Sirius grew up in a hard family too but he became a good person, DEspite him. Sirius USED HIS VOICE AGANIST HIS PARENTS BUT SNAPE DIDNT. THATS WHY IT MAKES ME MAD THAT SNAPE IS “BRAVEST MAN HE EVER KNEW” NO. SNAPE WAS A COWARD. HE DIDNT USE HIS VOICE AGANIST VOLDEMORT, REGULUS DID. HE DIDNT USE HIS VOICE AGANIST BLOOD RACISTS (?) SIRIUS DID. HE WAS TOO AFRAID TO GET CANCELLED. AND THIS IS WHY HE ISNT A BRAVE MAN. HE IS JUST A COWARD. EVERYONE HAS A CHOICE AND EVERYONE HAS A VOICE. I’ll continue on the next post

And this:

I understand people liking Snape, but there’s two things I can’t stand. People hating James and people shipping Snily [vomit smileys]. Im fully aware that everyone can have their opinions. But when i posted a funny post about “Albus S**erus”’s name IN MY OWN BLOG people attacked me.[…]

WE CALL IT PRANKS. OF COURSE I DONT SUPPORT ALL OF FRED&GEORGES ACTIONS NOR MARAUDERS’s ACTIONS. But you hate them for their pranks (yeah, I’ll say pranks because what they did to Snape was mutual. “Snape Never missed a time to hex James” THIS IS CANON. Yes, he might not have tried to curse James after that exam. BUT IT DOESNT MEAN HE NEVER DID!!! BUT YES BLAME AN AMAZING MAN WHO FOUGHT FOR THE RIGHT SIDE, FOR ONE FRICKIN MEMORY. This whole story is one sided because we only saw James bully not Snape)

As cool essays?

And now that we come disagreeing with you, ironically, you said it was “a joke” or “sarcasm”:

Hello dear person who doesn’t understand what sarcasm means. “Harry’s mind got deleted” was a joke. It’s so obvious.

(Even though you wrote you post like this:

I don’t buy this “BrAvEsT MaN I’vE EvEr KnOwn” story. We all know that Harry is an idiot but no one can be that idiot. So there’s only one explanation. Harry’s memories were deleted. If Harry’s memories weren’t deleted

[…] harry potter harry potter series albus severus potter albus severus should change his name severus snape anti snape anti severus snape james deserved better)

And when you argue against your posts you say that you were attacked:

But when i posted a funny post about “Albus S**erus”’s name IN MY OWN BLOG people attacked me.

When you kept replying, tagging Snape-Stans and shaming their preferences:

I understand people liking Snape, but there’s two things I can’t stand. People hating James and people shipping Snily [vomit smileys]. 

You say that you want facts, so here are the facts:

Pink soap bubbles streamed from Snape’s mouth at once; the froth was covering his lips, making him gag, choking him —

[…] and Harry could not imagine Fred and George dangling someone upside down for the fun of it . . . not unless they really loathed them . . . Perhaps Malfoy, or somebody who really deserved it . . . Harry tried to make a case for Snape having deserved what he had suffered at James’s hands — but hadn’t Lily asked, “What’s he done to you?” And hadn’t James replied, “It’s more the fact that he exists, if you know what I mean?” Hadn’t James started it all simply because Sirius said he was bored?

Directly ahead of him, Harry could see the towering beech tree below which his father had once tormented Snape. [OotP]

And then you say this:

Okay don’t trying to be rude, but aren’t you a little bit dramatic here. “Chocked him, tormented him,…..” LMAOOO.

You said that what Sirius said isn’t biased:

As many Snape Fans you are making excuses and the excuse here is “Sirius’s POV is biased”.

But what if it’s not. You can’t hate someone because of the possibility of Sirius having a biased POV. It’s only a possibility.

And you know what else is a possibility. Snape’s POV might be biased too. What if he’s overreacting. It’s his own memory. We cant be sure it’s %100 true.

Yet I act and answer like it’s %100 true because we have no proof that says otherwise. Same with Sirius, you have to act like it’s canon.

 When we proved it otherwise:

Now let’s see your first argument: “Snape wouldn’t miss an opportunity to hex James whenever he got the chance.” This is a quote used by Sirius Black, who is one of the bullies. Which puts his argument in doubt, because it may be biased. And guess what? He’s already proven to be biased. He uses typical bully arguments: “that was just a prank” for instance. Most importantly, he uses victim-blaming: “he deserved it”, “he was jealous”, which proves he never put his actions into question. He says “Nah Lily didn’t hate James” when she clearly hated him, as Harry concluded: “She had clearly loathed James”. When she refuses the date James, for Sirius, it’s “bad luck”. When she tells James why he makes her “SICK”, Sirius says “She thinks you might be a little conceited”, which is typical misogynistic behavior: always dismiss the point of what a girl says, she’s not in her right mind, she’s being hysterical. Not only there is extreme insolence but he also re-phrases her arguments so as for James to think that, no, the problem isn’t that he hexes everybody in the corridors just because he can, that he catcalls her by ruffling his hair arrogantly or shows off with a Snitch – no, the problem is that, “reading between the lines”, he might be a little conceited.

If we had to get back to your initial argument, in how Snape “never missed an opportunity to hex James”, what do you think of this:

Snape was on his feet again, and was stowing the O.W.L. paper in his bag. As he emerged from the shadows of the bushes and set off across the grass, Sirius and James stood up. Lupin and Wormtail remained sitting: Lupin was still staring down at his book, though his eyes were not moving and a faint frown line had appeared between his eyebrows. Wormtail was looking from Sirius and James to Snape with a look of avid anticipation on his face. “All right, Snivellus?” said James loudly. Snape reacted so fast it was as though he had been expecting an attack: Dropping his bag, he plunged his hand inside his robes, and his wand was halfway into the air when James shouted, “Expelliarmus!” Snape’s wand flew twelve feet into the air and fell with a little thud in the grass behind him. Sirius let out a bark of laughter.

Is that what you call Snape “never missing an opportunity to hex James”?

“Yeah,” said Harry, “but he just attacked Snape for no good reason, just because — well, just because you said you were bored.” [Harry]

What about another point of view?

“Your father would never attack me unless it was four on one, what would you call him, I wonder?” [Snape]

Not only do we have the damn untampered objective Pensieve to prove Sirius is wrong, but we have the judgement of someone who knows what’s it like to be a victim and the opinion of the target. The point? That argument about how Snape always started an attack is utterly wrong. Honestly I don’t know how he could even do that when dear Marauders were always 4-on-1. [me]

Other people (in the posts I’ve linked above) have already pointed out that just because Sirius said this doesn’t make this a canon fact. Hear-say is not canon. Just because someone says something happened doesn’t mean it happened; this should be obvious. If we’re going to say that hear-say is in fact canon, then all the things Severus says about James must also be true; you can’t pick and choose which statements to believe.

See, people can lie. Sirius can lie, and there is no proof that he didn’t lie in this case, because we never actually see anything that backs this claim up; we just hear about it from, as other people already pointed out, a very biased party. And it’s also not like everything else Sirius says is true: for instance, Sirius “knew” that Severus wasn’t actually working for the Order(“I don’t care if Dumbledore thinks you’ve reformed, I know better”), when in fact he was. In SWM, we see Sirius being excited at the prospect of attacking Severus two-on-one with James (“Excellent. Snivellus.”). [@littl-prince]

 Hadn’t people like Hagrid and Sirius told Harry how wonderful his father had been? (Yeah, well, look what Sirius was like himself, said a nagging voice inside Harry’s head. . . . He was as bad, wasn’t he?) [OotP]

And told you that if we were to apply what you said strictly, what Snape says would be totally right. Instead you said:

Snape’s POV might be biased too. What if he’s overreacting. It’s his own memory. We cant be sure it’s %100 true.

And as you seem to take what Rowling said not in the books but outside for true: she herself explained (and demonstrated in the books) that a Pensieve is the most objective way to know events.

You claim:

To be honest I don’t know why I’m discussing this with you, if you have this moral!!! HARD DISCIPLINE WAS NECESSARY!!!! THIS ISN’T HARD DISCIPLINE THIS IS BULLYING, ACCEPT IT.

To which I’ll just reply that telling Hermione that she’s interrupted Snape twice (even though when you analyse the text she interrupted him thrice and tried to tell him what to teach even though Snape told her to hush) is the normal behaviour of a teacher that can’t let the best of the class monopolize a class while showing disrespect to her teacher AND telling him what to teach.

Or this moment where Snape had Harry on detention for using Sectumsepra on Draco, or when he retrieved points because he was late in class – if you were in school you should know that the teachers have the right to give punishments to students for being late or even refuse them to enter the class.

But mainly:

Indeed he bullied Neville and Harry.

So I clearly accepted it.

You said that Dark Magic was different than pranks, and yet not only have I said this:

Besides this difference they make in the books between Light and Dark spells is harmful. James used soap to choke Snape – in real-life you use water and a towel to torture people. James stripped him naked in front of all – in real-life women are publicly shamed this way. James and Sirius used an illegal spell to make a lambda student’s head grow twice their size, which could have killed them if their neck broke. Sirius sent Snape to a Dark Creature, using victim-blaming later on – in real-life bullies can send their target in a dangerous place for them to get harmed or worse. The fact they didn’t use Dark spells – even though Rowling said that every curse, hex and jinx contained Dark Magic in them – isn’t an excuse to get away with bullying. You want an example? Snape was a dick to Harry, yet he didn’t use Dark Magic for it. Draco bullied Harry – no Dark Magic. Doesn’t mean that what they do isn’t harmful.

But Rowling said this:

“Every now and then somebody asks me for the difference between a spell, a charm and a hex. Within the Potter world, the boundaries are flexible, and I imagine that wizards may have their own ideas. Hermione-ish, however, I've always had a working theory:[…]  · Hexes: Has a connotation of dark magic, as do jinxes, but of a minor sort. I see 'hex' as slightly worse. I usually use 'jinx' for spells whose effects are irritating but amusing. · Curses: Reserved for the worst kinds of dark magic.”

You said that Snape was a coward but here are facts:

It‟s important when Harry says that Snape was one of the bravest. What is bravery? It‟s admitting you were wrong; it‟s putting aside all your beliefs and dreams of power for the hardest cause to fight for. It‟s coming back to Voldemort, pale and unfocused, scared to death, after 14 years of service to Dumbledore, when the Dark Lord could easily accuse you of disloyalty, not mentioning the 2 hours-long delay Snape had to the Death Eaters‟ call. It‟s facing your greatest fear and risking your life not for your interest, but instead to purge your sins. It‟s doing this with only Dumbledore‟s trust, who he eventually had to kill. It‟s sacrificing your life, your sanity, and not expecting much reward for this. That‟s badass.

Here‟s what Half-Blood Ponce said about this:

Voldy knew that Snape had thwarted him on the Stone. He Crucio-d Avery simply for failing to search for him after his disappearance. In HBP Snape mentions Voldemort‟s “Initial displeasure” (bit of an understatement). In GoF, Dumbledore says “Severus, you know what I must ask you to do. If you are ready … if you are prepared …” while looking worried, and Snape himself looked “paler than usual”. Do the maths; do you think Voldy discussed his concerns over a cup of tea? So Snape arrived to Voldemort two hours late, same Voldemort who tortures his followers for minor transgressions. Voldemort thought that Snape had betrayed him and was intending to kill him. Snape had years of bullshitting to answer to. He was also around 13 years out of practice doing hardcore Occlumency (he was a spy in the first war for months as well), so think about how fucked he thought he was. And prior to this, he had revealed his Dark Mark to a room full of people, in hopes of getting the MoM to quickly mobilize their forces against the DEs and warning the rest of the WW, even though Voldy wanted to keep low for as long as possible (don‟t know if Voldy ever found out about this, but even if he didn‟t, it was still a stunning move on Snape‟s part considering how fucked he already was). And despite all of this he willingly returned to spy against Voldemort, even though Lily was already dead, and despite it having no personal benefit and a shit ton of danger for him. Dumbledore gave him a choice in GoF timeline, asking him if he intended to flee if Voldemort returned (since Karkaroff would) and Snape replied “I am not such a coward”. If all of the above isn‟t a testament to his bravery and his skills as an Occlumens, then I don‟t know what is.

Let‟s fasten up to HBP.

It is interesting to point out that Snape was as disgusted for his actions towards Dumbledore as Harry. Indeed, when Harry force-feeds Dumbledore with the drink of Despair, we have: “Hating himself, repulsed by what he was doing.” What about Snape? “Snape gazed for a moment at Dumbledore, and there was revulsion and hatred etched in the harsh lines of his face.” See the parallel made between Harry and Snape? See how they both were forced to hurt Dumbledore and displayed hatred as well as disgust towards themselves for it? It‟s more evidence that Harry and Snape are alike. And yet, Harry didn‟t risk his soul being shattered. It was extreme for him, being a teenager. For Snape? It was worse. Given how Snape was fighting against himself to keep his promise with Dumbledore – his arm twitching when he made the Unbreakable Vow, telling Dumbledore he doesn‟t want to do this anymore, taking his time to compose himself and waiting for confirmation to kill his friend and mentor – we can say that Snape depicted Slytherin‟s idea of “I will kill for you” in heroic fashion. Do you imagine killing one of the persons you love the most? Do you imagine what remorse you would feel at that? How hard it is? Not to mention killing Dumbledore equals to painting himself as the Wizarding World‟s n°2 enemy and forgetting all hope for a better life. He knows that the side he‟s fighting for will kill him – after all, they don‟t bother with trials.

This is the type of guy who is willing to depict himself as a villain to save others despite expecting to gain very little in the end. Selfless, uninterested by glory or love or power or fame -- This is the type of a true hero. You could even say this is nobility in a new form. You cannot imagine the amount of constant pressure he had. It‟s unspeakable. Just, just – Spending years overshadowed and gossiped about being a villain, while anyone would naturally ask for people to see their true self; protecting as much people as he can without giving himself away to Voldemort, especially if Umbridge, the Carrows or Harry‟s scar are ways to check on him; trying to calm down the Slytherins so they won‟t join the Death Eaters; making an Unbreakable Vow that means death if you don‟t kill Dumbledore; working as a spy for the Order; using indirect methods to teach people how to “block unfriendly spells” with Expelliarmus rather than an offensive spell, or later, teaching Occlumency; in Dumbledore‟s words, putting his life “in constant danger”… These are things that nobody else but Snape would be able to do.

And this little canon fact:

“Albus Severus,” Harry said quietly, so that nobody but Ginny could hear, and she was tactful enough to pretend to be waving to Rose, who was now on the train, “you were named for two headmasters of Hogwarts. One of them was a Slytherin and he was probably the bravest man I ever knew.”

(Which canonically is quite to say something from Harry himself)

And this as well:

Okay, so, did Snape receive or expect to receive anything for, let‟s say:

· Being a spy for 5 years, living in constant danger of being discovered, rejected by both the Order and the Death Eaters except for the Masters who in fact used him like a tool for their ends?

· Protecting not only Harry but every student, teacher, Order member, anyone who he could save (as said in the Prince‟s Tale), even saving Muggles and Wizards alike from Voldemort, giving up his life and his sanity for that?

· Did he expect anything from Lily in the afterlife when he couldn‟t help but projecting his loathing of James onto Harry?

· Did he expect an Order of Merlin for killing Dumbledore on his orders?

· Did he expect Harry to forgive him?

No, he tried to make things right even though he couldn‟t turn back in time and undo his mistakes, even though there were things he couldn‟t help but perpetrate. I mean, when you promise to protect Harry as long as you can for the memory of his mother, isn‟t it by definition selfless? Like... he could have just let her die, let the Wizarding World die, let Muggles be slaves, be Voldemort‟s right hand until the end of his life. Children wouldn‟t have to fear for a mean teacher, no. They‟d have to fear murder, rape, torture, humiliation, slavery, and so on. He could have, but the message of the book is pretty clear about that: his love and loyalty were so strong he gave everything up.

Which is another version of what I said here:

Snape selfish for sacrificing his life to others, even though he knew that Lily hated him, even though he respected her choice not to forgive him, and didn’t kill Harry off as an illegitimate offspring as a true obsessed person would do, but protected him, even when he realized he had to send him to his death – meaning that his second big motive to stay loyal to Dumbledore has been ripped out of him – selfish for virtually gaining nothing but hate and contempt and big failures in his life – yeah, he’s seeking the ghost of Lily’s womanhood only. You again made it up.

I said this:

There is no evidence that Snape killed people, you made it up (unless you count how he led Lily and James to their deaths, despite his efforts to prevent this). In fact, his position as a spy clearly states that he wasn’t on the battlefield slaughtering people. On the contrary, Voldemort sent him to try and have him as a spy teacher, which means that Snape couldn’t be known to kill people in the meantime. We have further evidence: Bellatrix does blame Snape for “always slithering out of action” as a spy, which point out that as a double-agent (and later as Dumbledore’s spy), he tried not to kill people. On the other hand I could say that James could have killed people. Why not? If McGonagall says “we fight to kill” and if James hate those Death Eaters so much he could have killed the people of the other side. |me]

When Dumbledore asks Severus to kill him, Severus is worried about his soul. When you commit murder, the soul rips apart; the fact that Severus is worried about his soul being damaged indicates that it’s not been harmed yet. [@littl-prince]

You keep going:

You said Snape probably didn’t kill anyone because he was a spy. You are wrong. Snape became a spy after Lily died. So in the First Wizarding War, he wasn’t a spy. He was a death eater on the field.

 This is so utterly wrong I have to get a pause (wheeeezzze). Read this:

“Hide them all, then,” he croaked. “Keep her — them — safe. Please.” “And what will you give me in return, Severus?” “In — in return?” Snape gaped at Dumbledore, and Harry expected him to protest, but after a long moment he said, “Anything.”

Meaning that he went to serve Dumbledore before Lily died, so he could keep her safe and alive, along with her family, and became a spy during the 1st Wizarding War.

And I literally said this -- Oh my God X’):

There is no evidence that Snape killed people, you made it up (unless you count how he led Lily and James to their deaths, despite his efforts to prevent this). In fact, his position as a spy clearly states that he wasn’t on the battlefield slaughtering people. On the contrary, Voldemort sent him to try and have him as a spy teacher, which means that Snape couldn’t be known to kill people in the meantime.

Anyway, you keep on with this:

 Also Bellatrix Blamed Snape on HBP, which is the Second Wizarding War. I never said snape killed people in the 2.WW. I said in the the First wizarding war.

James was an auror. Of course he killed people. He killed Death Eaters. ITS NOT A BAD THING LMAOOOOOO. Every auror killed Death Eaters. Dumbledore,McGonagall,Sirius,Remus, and literally everyone who fought for the right side

 When you also said this earlier:

And if you think, using dark magic is acceptable; I don’t think I can change your mind

[…] You don’t want anyone to die. Even if that’s your biggest enemy. Don’t I have people who I hate? yes. But I would never want their death. And so didn’t James, so he saved Snape’s life’s . But sure , ignore this too.

 Talk about double-standards on the matter of killing by the way AND assuming that James killed people in the first place (killing rips your soul so it’s very dark).

The top of the cake:

Also let’s love snape; who supposedly protected Harry. “You know what Harry, your mom didn’t loved me 82929 years ago also your dad was cooler than me, so I will treat you and your friends like sh*t

He never changed nor matured. He didn’t move on from Lily but he abused Harry because of his father.

Also thank you Snape for not killing Harry at 11. If Dumbledore told his suspicions to any other teacher, they would’ve done the same. Thank you Snape for not letting Harry fall from his broom

 While we literally have this:

‘No, no, no. I tried to kill you. Your friend Miss Granger accidentally knocked me over as she rushed to set fire to Snape at that Quidditch match. She broke my eye contact with you. Another few seconds and I’d have got you off that broom. I’d have managed it before then if Snape hadn’t been muttering a countercurse, trying to save you.’ ‘Snape was trying to save me?’ ‘Of course,’ said Quirrell coolly. ‘Why do you think he wanted to referee your next match? He was trying to make sure I didn’t do it again.’ [PS]

“You know how and why she died. Make sure it was not in vain. Help me protect Lily’s son.” “He does not need protection. The Dark Lord has gone —” “The Dark Lord will return, and Harry Potter will be in terrible danger when he does.” There was a long pause, and slowly Snape regained control of himself, mastered his own breathing. At last he said, “Very well. Very well.’ [DH]

And I told you this:

You seem to (purposefully) miss the reasons Harry named his kid after Snape. Without writting the whole essay below, I can assure you that Snape is a character that dedicated his life to Harry’s protection since he was 1 and saved him several times (for instance during the broom incident). Not only that but he was the reason many others survived (Hermione, Remus, Dumbledore, Katie Bell, Draco), were protected (Sirius, the Order, all students and professors particularly in 7th year, like Ginny, Luna and brave Neville) or preserved from Voldemort’s influence (most of the Slytherins and Draco), because as he said, he tried to save as much people as possible, despite the complicated position of being a deep cover, double agent.

Do I have to read the books for you?

We have this about how he changed:

He literally changed sides in war, at great personal risk to save Lily – just remember Regulus and Karkaroff‟s fates to know what he could have endured. Then he kept his alliance with Dumbledore in hopes to pay for his mistakes at joining the Death Eaters. He put his grudge aside to brew Wolfsbane to Lupin, to try and save him during the Battle of the 7 Potters – he shook hands with Sirius, choecked if he was alright in Grimmauld Place and tried to save him too when Harry was off to the Department of Mysteries. Yes: they were all fighting on the same side. For someone who holds such deep-rooted and intense resentment toward his former bullies, so much that he reports it unfairly on Harry Potter, it‟s one freaking change of mind. In the Prince‟s Tale, you go from “Lily Evans” to “Lily Potter” (acceptance of her marriage); you go from “save only Lily, and her family if it‟s necessary” to “save everyone he can”. You go from “you‟re a Muggle” and “Mudblood” to “Do not say that word!” It‟s written word for word in Harry Potter.

And I said this:

But indeed, in the eventuality that he was ready to let a child die, that makes his changement all the more strong. The key word is that Snape “was” okay to let a child die. Later, when he learns that Dumbledore was okay as well to let Harry die for the greater good (you see, both sides use the same weapons), he is “horrified” and protests how the Headmaster “raised him like a pig for slaughter”. When he learns that a child has been captured by the Basilisk, he grips the chair in distress, who reveals to be first-year Ginny, and gets all the more angry when he sees Lockhart acting like an incompetent clown. Later he says that he tried to save as much people as he can. But isn’t that soothing for our entitled hate against Snape to bring forth the past Snape only?

But then you ask Snape-stans to have face facts, and complain about having to repeat yourself to others.

You once replied (though not on our answers):

I love how we speak FACTZ. Snape Fans really should read this. We give them an essay about why snape is bad, why he had no redemption and why he is unsupportable. And they are like “But he loved Lily” LMAOOO IT’S PATHETIC.

Which is false from AAAALLL of what we said here:

https://whataplottwistyouwere.tumblr.com/post/622798025086091264/i-dont-buy-this-bravest-man-ive-ever-known

https://ottogatto.tumblr.com/post/622832153622904832/heres-my-answer

https://ottogatto.tumblr.com/post/622841648134651904/we-have-every-right-to-dislike-a-character-and

https://thatawfulsnapeboy.tumblr.com/post/622842865297604608/this-post-is-for-taintedxhelix-goldenzingy46

https://littl-prince.tumblr.com/post/622863772049113089/severus-snape-where-to-begin

And just above.

Thinking that our arguments are reduced to « he loved Lily » and « Always » is a testament to how you live in delusions. We brought you insight and you literally refused them several times. THAT is pathetic.

The level of self-entitled opinions on your part is astronomical.

From what I’ve seen in your behaviour, there is no use to discuss with you. You have not evolved or changed your opinion one bit despite clear arguments. All our essays, even though they are useful as it allowed us to gather information, seem unreachable to your comprehension, which is sad because for a little time you seemed to try and be open-minded.  

Do not expect me to argue furthermore. We all have made our points, and I have shown why I find it pointless to try and have a discussion about Snape when you display such bad faith.

#snape #snater #severus snape #essay #long post #such length should be forbidden #reference #pro snape #answer #whataplottwistyouwere

[snapeingturtle]

why do you hate us anti snape fans? we're fans just like you and entitled to our opinions too. there's no reason we can't share the fandom space

It's not about me hating anti Snape fans, but about tailoring my fandom experience to be safe and positive, and I can't achieve that when there is a constant and very real risk of people sending me suicide baiting anons, calling me slurs, and questioning my identity.

I know what you think "that's just a loud minority, turtle" "most of us are actually pretty nice, turtle" and "don't you think it's unfair to make assumptions like that about people, turtle". I know this.

But unfortunately that loud minority is either not that minor or way louder than you think. Or maybe I've just had bad luck. It doesn't matter either way. Every interaction like what I mentioned above has had a negative impact on not only my fandom experience, but also my mental health. Especially if/when I'm already going through some things.

Fandom is, for the most part, something I engage in to take a break from my life and I don't need it to be another shit show that I have to deal with.

So I blocked a few dozen tags, and a few dozen people, and unfollow anti Snape fan accounts as well as fan accounts with large anti Snape followings to minimise the risk of running into someone who's part of that unpleasant minority. And it's worked. Unpleasant encounters with people of a differing snopinion (Snape opinion) have become rare.

You may think this is "extreme" or "unfair to the 99.9% of antis who have done nothing wrong", but honestly I don't give a single shit about how "the nice antis" feel about it, mostly because I have the right to not engage with people that make me feel unsafe, but also because I've never, and I mean never, seen "the nice antis" condemn any of the forementioned behaviour, and I don't think it's unreasonable to consider it an expression of who's side they're taking.

Depending on your political alignment, you might think I'm "a special little snowflake who thinks the world owes them a safe space" or "a free-speech policing nazi who can't handle it when people disagree with their bigotry" or whatever. (yes, I've heard both before) But this is about me using the tools this site has to make sure that I actually enjoy using it, not my political alignment. Though I will discuss politics with you if you dm me and act civil and reasonable, and I will discuss Snape with you if you dm me and act civil and reasonable. If you're not civil or reasonable, I will block you, and you have every right to take it personally, like I have every right to not care.

#idk how to tag this #ask #anonymous #fandom experience #anti antis #nazi mention cw

[astrologyforestgirl]

An issue about Snaters that I am concerned about

Hello! I am a thirteen year old girl, and I am relatively new to the Harry Potter fandom! I am also a huge fan of Severus Snape. And I've decided to bring up an issue that's been bothering me since even before I joined the fandom.

So before I joined HP fandom, I had Pinterest and sometimes pictures of Snape or anti-Snape content would pop up, and being the curious person I was, I'd click on it and read whatever it was. Back then, I didn't understand why were fans of a character (whom at that time i thought Snape was a horrible person just because I read whatever the caption was without any context whatsoever), being bullied. There were Snape fans being called 'fucking idiots' and other vulgarities. Even though I disliked him, I still had NEVER knew why were they bullied.

So when I started liking said character, I wasn't a closet fan, whenever I saw a picture or caption of him I would just read it and be happy that other people liked him too. However, things didn't last long when I started getting notifications on Pinterest saying that some people were writing mean things beneath my comment.

"Are you an idiot? Did you reading the fucking books? He was racist, mean, and obsessed with Lily. You're fucking stupid"

Etc. Most of the comments were somewhat like that

So this leaves me to a question:

Are you entitled to bully Snape fans?

Sometimes, the comments that Snaters leave me will be so bad that I'll be shaking. I wonder if people know that cyber bullying is as bad as real life bullying. Your words can hurt me.

Once, it got so bad and I was on the verge of hating Snape. Just to avoid getting mean replies. It's not Okay for you to hurt me, just because I like a fictional character that you personally dislike. I have feelings. Stop thinking Snape fans idolise him, and are 'idiots'. Please, please stop. Sometimes, you're being very unreasonable. I don't enjoy seeing mean things in my inbox. If you had said something mean to someone before, go apologize. People can remember who and how you hurt them.

Us liking the Character doesn't hurt anyone. Don't like the fanart, don't look at it. Don't like the story, carry on, block the profile.

Just because I like a Character that you dislike, doesn't mean that I can't enjoy looking at their content (fanarts, fanfics). I respect your opinion, so why not respect mine?

Example: I don't like the Maruaders. I personally hate James,Peter and Jily with the passion of a thousand suns. But do I comment on their fanfics or fanarts and say things like "This is so wrong I hate this eew whoever likes it is disgusting"? No! I don't! I know that many people like them, but even if a minority of people did, I still wouldn't. Because whatever they like and however they spend their time (Be it making fanfics, fanarts or writing theories) is none of my business. However they choose to invest their time is not something I would put my nose in and shame them for. I'll just be happy that at least they're happy with what they're doing.

I'm not writing all this and making you think that all Snape fans are innocent. Not everyone is respectful when it comes to letting others share their views on their favourite character especially if it's criticism. I wrote all this to try to tell people that I have my reasons for liking Snape. Stop trying to throw fanon and canon evidence in my face, pressuring me to change my views on him. Because unless it's a agreed debate, please don't try to make me believe that Snape's a horrible Character. I believe that no fictional person needs to be a good person to be a good character. :)

Sincerely,

A very concerned Snape fan.

Ps. Can the people I tag (or anyone) tell me what they think about whatever I wrote? This is the first time I've ever written something like this in the internet :)

@severusdefender @prosnapeblogging @pro-severus-snape @yourfavisprosnape @porlovistoeinmasochist @proudslytherin-13 @snermit @snapedefender @snapedefense @snaaaape @the-witches-son

#antibullying #cyberbullying #snape #Severus Snape #severussnape #halfbloodprince #hp #harry potter #harrypotter #pro snape i guess #much confusion #snater #snaters #pro snape #snape fan #snape apologist #snape fanfiction #potions #im only tagging anti snape to make snaters see this post i in no way possible support snaters #anti snape #antisnape

[junhaoshua]

The Great Collie Crossover, 7/10

A/N: I own none of the characters, being neither JK Rowling nor @colubrina. This is just a chance for me to play in the sandbox they have created.This is a birthday/get well soon present for the lovely @colubrina, whose work has been such a joy and inspiration to me.

***

6: The Pretense

“So can I safely assume Ron is alive and you’re friends here?” Hermione asks dryly. “Or are you going to shock me with some revelation like both of you being Death Eaters here?”

Other-Hermione laughs. “Yes he’s alive, yes we’re friends, no we’re not Death Eaters, happy?”

She eyes the witch cautiously. “What’s the catch?”

Her smile disappears. “Harry killed Voldemort. The Death Eaters stayed in power anyway.”

Hermione stares. It takes a moment for her to find her voice. “You mean - without him -”

“People didn’t just stop believing in blood purity because Voldemort died,” Other-Hermione says wearily. “The Death Eaters already had control of the Ministry. Yaxley, being both sane and ambitious, took his chance and took over, gave them a socially acceptable facelift. He was a much better strategist. We did guerrilla attacks, but he was winning.”

“Then?”

“We were discovered,” she says softly as the world shifts around them into a dingy safehouse, one the Order used in her world. “Draco sent us portkeys. Said he was in love with me, and if I joined him, he’d ensure the others got to the continent safely.”

Hermione watches with horror as the Order agrees to let her go, to spy, to whore, in exchange for their own safety. “They couldn’t - not possibly -”

“Harry was willing to die, so his expectation isn’t totally unreasonable,” she says with a carefully level voice as she watches her past self pick up the diamond bracelet and wink into Malfoy Manor.

“And the others?”

An old bitterness crosses her face. “Considered me sufficiently disposable.”

They fall silent at that, watching. Malfoy showing her a suite and admitting he wasn’t in love, that the Order had been discovered. A carefully polite breakfast. Tremors from repeated crucio’s. Breakfast with Narcissa, who’s clever as the devil and twice as pretty in any world, but who’s somehow even more of a force to be reckoned with here, who can pull off complicated magic like portkeys without a bead of perspiration on that lovely forehead. A walk in the gardens and a show for the Carrows.

She can’t help but feel sorry for this Draco, more so than any of the others. His side won, he’s a Death Eater, and yet somehow he’s so utterly broken, trying to do the right thing despite everything.

“That line was a bit of genius,” Hermione says as she watches the girl writing down the prophecy and adding an extra line.

Spy-Hermione smiles. “I’m still very proud of it.”

Dinner with the Malfoys. Meeting Yaxley and learning the Death Eaters thought she was a defector. Servants’ passageways and stolen documents. Draco coming to her, shaking and miserable, after his seventh experience with the cruciatus. A shared night, and a shared kiss. A party that’s almost painful, prejudice and microaggressions and not-so-subtle aggressions. Dueling Amycus Carrow at Dolohov’s behest - the man is the same sleek, power-hungry creature in every world. Sectumsempra’ing a child - Rodolphus Lestrange’s so-called child, but still a child - to keep up her facade.

She feels Spy-Hermione’s eyes flick to her and keeps her face carefully neutral. After everything she’s seen, this is nothing.

Meeting Percy in Diagon while on her way to visit Archibald Lestrange. Dolohov interrupting dinner because Percy had bombed the Prophet. Betraying him, first by revealing his location, then at the trial, because she had to keep up her facade. Keep sending the Order information. Keep spying.

She chances a glance at the other witch. Her eyes are sheened with tears.

Narcissa sending them to an art exhibition that’s a thinly veiled part of the underground rebellion. More social events where she tries to play the role of defector. Getting Lestrange to break Percy out of prison.

Finding out from Molly that Ron had gotten Gabrielle Delacour pregnant and was going to marry her. Getting drunk and kissing Draco to forget. Narcissa announcing they were going to get married. Visiting Mrs Figg, painter of subversive art, and Percy. Finding out that Moody had thrown Percy to the wolves to secure her cover.

“Voldemort killed him in my world,” Hermione says in the awkward silence that ensues. It’s the only thing she can think to say.

Spy-Hermione snorts. “That’s probably for the best.”

Marrying Draco. Yaxley giving her Alecto Carrow’s life as a wedding present. Burning the woman to a pile of ash and a phoenix feather. Visiting Mrs Figg’s gallery again. Yaxley coming in to reprimand them for visiting subversive art galleries, Yaxley ordering Draco to crucio her.

She looks away at the sight of her other self on the floor, breath catching in her throat. She remembers Bellatrix. There’s no air. She’s suffocating, choking on nothing.

“Breathe,” she hears a fierce voice, dim and far away, as her hand is pressed to someone’s chest. “You’re safe. Breathe.” Breathe in. Breathe out.

Slowly, slowly, she comes back to herself. Spy-Hermione’s eyes are dark. “I’m sorry. I didn’t realise the effect it’d have on you.”

“Please tell me this has a happy ending,” she says desperately, unsure how much more of this she can take.

Time speeds up. Killing Amycus Carrow and Narcissa helping them hide the body. Witches in a restaurant closing in on her for betraying Harry. Dolohov finding out she was in touch with the Order and forcing her to grant him immunity in exchange for him not revealing her true loyalty.

Her eyes flicker towards Spy-Hermione. The other witch has her shoulders braced, as if expecting judgement, and she decides not to say anything.

Going to an art show and buying the ugly cubist portrait of Snape that she first saw when she came to this world. The agitators being cruel and snide to her even as an anti-Yaxley mob raged outside. Harry bursting in, looking for her, defending her. Finding out Molly had added a tracking charm to the bracelet during the instant she weighed it in her hands, a thread to bring her back. Reuniting with Ron, forgiving but not forgetting.

Marching on the Ministry with Harry and Ron and Draco and the Lestranges, with Dolohov. Narcissa placing a curse on Dolohov so he could never speak ill of the Malfoys. People underestimated housewives and socialites alike.

Aurors firing on the marchers, killing Archibald then Rodolphus Lestrange. Fleeing to a safehouse to regroup and reconsider.

Percy becoming the face of the resistance. The Aurors turning on Yaxley. Him finding out that she’d forged the last line of the prophecy, and being unduly shocked about it - really, did he never think to doubt it? Yaxley trying to escape, fighting him with all they had until Draco avada’d him as he was about to apparate away. Percy becoming Minister, Harry moving back to Britain, and finally, the peace they’d fought so hard to earn.

The world dissolves, and she finds herself back in the sitting room at the start. “You were lonely in this world, weren’t you?” she asks quietly.

Spy-Hermione pretends nonchalance. “What do you mean?”

“No Harry. No Ron. No Ginny or Luna. None of those Slytherins - Theo, Blaise, Pansy, Daphne - I’ve seen in other worlds. Just you and the Malfoys. Surrounded by Death Eaters. With people who’d spit on you for either being a muggleborn or for leaving Harry.”

The other witch looks away. “Well. I survived. Narcissa wasn’t so bad. And I had Percy, somewhat.” She smiles. “But what we wanted to tell you - why we showed you this world - things aren’t always black and white.”

“A lot of the Hermiones have been making black white and white black, so excuse me if I take it with a pinch of salt,” Hermione snarks as the mist starts thickening.

“Maybe the Riddle-us took it a bit far,” the witch concedes. “But here, we’re just like you, our friends are just like yours. And we still had to do all of that. Being good doesn’t mean you get no blood on your hands.”

***

She’s starting to figure out what dark-Hermiones look like, and this new witch is definitely dark. Dressed in a sleek black column, braids circling her head, emeralds around her finger and a silver snake winding up her wrist. And something the others didn’t have in any way, shape or form. A silver crown resting on her head.

“Blood on your hands while trying to make the world a better place,” this dark-Hermione says softly, rising from her seat in a ratty old flat. “I know all about that.”

***

Thank you to the amazing @sulisaints for pre-reading! Crossposted on AO3.

#my work #tgcc #colubrina #the pretense #spy hermione #dramione

[comingupforblair]

Easily the most common defense of the intense negativity towards the DCEU from people doing it has been a repeated claim that those doing it are, in fact, devoted fans of DC, sometimes even going as far as to claim a preference for DC to Marvel, whose behavior is a logical and justified reaction to what they see as a failure of the franchise to accurately translate the elements they feel are most important to the comics or repeat what has made other DC adaptations work in their eyes.

Since this is the most frequently cited justification, I’m going to speak directly to the people claiming it. For the purposes of this post, I’ll only be addressing people who see themselves as DC fans who’ve been let down by Warner Bros and excluding Marvel fans with a sense of tribalism, people who think that making snide comments about these films makes them cool, witty and/or unique (it doesn’t) and people who are just plain assholes who don’t really care and, if they weren’t raging about these films, would be just as angry about something else.

I want to make one thing extremely clear both in this and similar posts I make about these films and I can’t stress this enough:

I am not saying that you need to like these films.

You are not now nor will you ever be under an obligation to like anything. I have neither the ability nor the inclination to change your mind. My only goal is to get people to change how they think about how they don’t like these films and what actions they take as a result. Warner Bros are making considerable effort to win you over so your words do carry weight. You have power and, as a certain hero once said, with that comes responsibility.

I know you’re very attached to the image you’ve put forward of harsh but caring fans who are practicing tough love who believe that your words and actions will cause the films to shed what you believe have been holding them back in order to become something closer to what you think a live-action version of the DC Universe should resemble and I have no doubt that you sincerely believe both in that image and what you’re saying but that doesn’t mean you can just use that as a catchall excuse and not think further about it.

You have an obligation to put your behavior and words under harsh scrutiny and be willing to amend it as needed. You can’t just say you’re harsh because you care and leave it at that. You have to be willing to face the possibility that your behavior might sometimes be toxic and harmful and reflective of an image you don’t want to give off. Your tone and delivery and general image matter in how people react to what you’re saying. If you want people to listen, you have to make sure you’re not giving them reasons to ignore you right off the bat.

You also have to be open to the potential negative consequences of your behavior, regardless of the intention behind it, such as studios being less willing to take risks or make creative decisions that they worry will lead to people writing the films off before they’re ever made which have, in the past, included some of the greatest moments in the whole genre and overall becoming nervous and afraid and not trusting their creators.

I say all this because I see far too many people who don’t seem willing or able to apply this kind of thinking to their actions and no one else is in a rush to force them to. You can make any criticism of these films, no matter how illogical or unreasonable, and no one will call you out on it. It’s an environment that breeds  a mentality I know you don’t want to possess so it’s on you to take active steps to avoid falling into that trap. Remember that toxic and unreasonable people, of whom you’ve assuredly encountered a few in your time, never think that they’re being toxic and unreasonable. I haven’t seen any indication that most anti-DCEU people are any more willing to ask those tough questions of themselves.

You also have to be willing to change your behavior and beliefs. You can’t continue acting overly snide and cruel, ostensibly for a greater purpose, when the franchise starts actually improving in the way that you think it should. The kind of behavior I see so much of, of people who seem unwilling to part with their negativity and cynicism and dismissive attitude towards the films even after they make an effort to win them over, isn’t the behavior of a fandom that cares. They’re the actions of petulant and immature people unwilling to let go of their bitterness. No one wants to be the fandom equivalent of Snape, holding on to grudges and using it as a justification for being horrible. 

You have to be as willing to give praise when you see the films improving and I mean actual praise. Not the snide, backhanded comments you’ve convinced yourself are an acceptable substitute for a sincere acknowledgement of improvement.

If you believe that fans should have a say in how these films are made, as your behavior would seem to indicate, then you also have to acknowledge that power comes with a responsibility on your part to make sure that you’re worth listening to and that will sometimes mean admitting to being wrong or irrational or just plain abrasive and making changes for the greater good of fandom discourse.

Are you willing to do all of that?

If not, don’t say that you’re a fan who is only harsh because you care. If you really cared, you’d be willing to do all of what that entails, including the stuff that means acknowledging your own shitty or unhelpful behavior and making an effort to change.

#dceu #dceu positivity #aquaman #Wonder Woman #shazam #Birds of Prey

[snapedefender]

so one of the biggest problems i think crop up when it comes to discussing snape with people who dislike him is that they fail to remember that characters can (and should!) have a myriad of reasons for doing things.

bc an anti will talk to me about how snape was being petty about sirius’ escape and that’s why he wanted lupin fired - and sure, that’s probably a reason for snape revealing lupin’s lycanthropy at the end of book three. almost absolutely it is. BUT. what antis forget is that snape can be motivated by pettiness and other things all at the same time. bc he’s a good, complex character who has complex reasons for doing things. 

to take the lupin situation further - okay, snape’s being petty, that’s definitely there. he wants revenge bc he thinks lupin helped sirius escape under his nose. other potential reasons? he wants lupin gone bc he sees lupin as a liability; lupin admits that he thought of his reputation before the safety of children and even tho snape is not a nice teacher, we do know that he takes the physical safety of the students seriously. lupin also fails to take his wolfsbane potion and turns into a werewolf without it, which many people tell us is actively dangerous - perhaps snape feels lupin has proven himself to be not just a liability, but a lethal one. 

so yeah, it could be pettiness. it could be pettiness combined with a desire to keep lupin out of the school bc he’s dangerous, combined with snape’s proven desire to keep the students out of physical danger, which lupin has proven he’s capable of. all of these motivations could be present. 

but the problem with antis is that they’ll stop at the pettiness. or they’ll say that the pettiness negates any other motivation in the mix, good or bad, reasonable or unreasonable. which isn’t just annoying, it’s bad character analysis. 

#severus snape #snapedom #my meta #snape and lupin #like.... is he being petty? ABSOLUTELY #but he's not ONLY being petty and it'd be cool if we could like... talk about that #or that his other motivations weren't swept under the rug bc there's negative motivations mixed in there

[therealak47-blog]

Movie Review 2001: Harry Potter

I know I keep writing about all of these old writings I've been going through but this one amused me. From November 16, 2001, my review of the first Harry Potter movie: "The first few minutes of the movie were pretty good, they stayed fairly accurate to the books. But after that, I know this will sound nit-picky, but they left too much stuff out. I think they assume that you've already read the book or something. What really bothered me is that they didn't explain who Voldemort was until about half-way through the movie. Tons of scenes were cut or altered, which was kinda unsettling but to be expected. Malfoy isn't there in Diagon Alley or on the train. They do the introductory scene with him before the Sorting Hat. And the Sorting Hat doesn't go in alphabetical order! It went Hermione, Draco, some girl, Ron and Harry (I think) The twins barely get a speaking role and I think Lee Jordan's a girl! Either that or he has an extremely feminine voice!!!! Hermione's a stuck up little brat, Snape's extremely two-dimensional and Malfoy's...ugh. I hate Movie Malfoy, he's much too canon for my liking ^_^  Another thing that really bugged me is that they didn't even explain why Snape hated Harry so much. Voldemort looked really weird, like a rotting corpse or something. Quirrel was good though, his stutter cracked me up for some reason. The movie was too pro-Gryffindor for my liking, I'm such a pro-Slytherin. I think some of it is that I'm losing my taste for canon, preferring fanfic cause it makes more sense in my anti-Gryffindor mindset. Like at the beginning with Malfoy when he introduces himself to Harry, saying, "My name's Malfoy. Draco Malfoy." and Ron snickers, well, I don't blame Draco considering Ron was the one to scoff at Draco first. The dragon scene is pretty different, it's a lot shorter and Gryffindor doesn't care when they get all those points taken off. And it's Ron instead of Neville that gets the detention. Mostly everything's changed somewhat, I was happy they put my quote in though- "There is no good and evil, only power and those too weak to seek it." All in all, the movie was kinda disappointing, didn't really meet my expectartions. Some scenes worked, others didn't. It was generally okay though, no serious complaints really." The most amusing observation in retrospect is my assessment of Snape as "two-dimensional" when Alan Rickman is almost universally acclaimed now for that role. Also, damn, I realize book-to-movie adaptations weren't as commonplace in 2001 but I clearly had an unreasonable expectation for a movie to perfectly emulate a book.

#nostalgia #movie review #2001 #harry potter #nitpicky

[moonlightdancer26]

Honestly it bothers me so much that there are people who still think Severus’s dislike of Remus was unreasonable. He legitimately had every right to not like him—hate him even. A lot of people think that Remus didn’t deserve that simply because he “didn’t participate in the bullying,” and can I just say how insensitive that is? So many bystanders exist, so many people stand by and watch as their friends bully people or pretend it doesn’t exist, and to claim that the bully victim doesn’t have the “right” to hate said bystander is downright despicable. It can even be argued—in some cases at least—that being a bystander makes you just as bad as the bully themselves. People who haven’t experienced bullying have no idea what it’s like to see people not giving your suffering a second glance or not bothering to do anything about it; as though it wasn’t worth wasting time on. People have the power to stop or change it, but they choose not to. This especially applies to Remus since he was not only there, but was also in a position of power (a prefect) and still chose to neglect his duties.

And after all this, Remus continuously tries to attach little importance to what happened rather than owning up to what he and his friends did, even though he simultaneously wants to appear apologetic in front of Harry.

Do you guys really think that if Remus just… stopped trying to downplay everything, walked up to Severus, and said the words “I’m sorry for everything,” Severus would resent him as much as he did? Don’t you think that Remus never actually apologising may have had something to do with it? He might act sorry in front of Harry, but it’s easier to play the guilty card when the person you’re doing it to is inclined not to blame you instead of the person you’ve actually hurt. There’s no mention of Remus ever doing that.

Another thing most people seem to forget is that… Severus still brewed him the Wolfsbane potion??? He took the time out of his schedule to brew a very complicated potion for someone he didn’t even like, and he perfected it each time. Some people (Snape antis) may argue that Dumbledore “made him” do it [that’s a flawed argument since his and Dumbledore’s interactions in The Prince’s Tale imply otherwise, but that’s not my point], but he still did it? Should doctors be absolved of any praise for saving people’s lives because “it was their job,” “they had to do it,” or even “it was ‘just’ the right thing to do”?

And he was willing to be civil with Remus in PoA and never said a single direct insult to him during their small interactions (at least until the shrieking shack scene), and he clearly dislikes him less than Sirius, who he doesn’t hesitate to roast the shit out of even in a 5 minute long interaction.

And keep in mind that I’m purposefully leaving out the existence of the prank, which is the biggest factor in all of this. It just goes to show how valid Severus’s feelings are, even when putting aside the fact that werewolf!Remus nearly killed him because of Sirius’s sick idea of humour.

All in all, I think this entire rant can be summarised into one gif:

#janis said it better than i did #but oh well #also #active!moon is trying to make a comeback #i’m trying to run away from reality so ofc i’m coming back here #anti snaters #severus snape #pro snape #anti remus lupin #it hurt me to type out this tag #sorry y’all but i went soft on him #pro severus snape #snape #harry potter #hp