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magnetothemagnificent · 10 months
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Goyim with a saviour complex when comparing every single modern day issue to the Holocaust: "Oh my god you guys remember all the people who were arrested for helping Jews in the Holocaust?"
No. I don't remember. Because there weren't that many. Most people supported the Nazis, and if they didn't, they were quiet about it and just minded their own business. The reason Yad Vashem gives out medals to the people who *did* risk their lives to save Jews is because those people were so rare. Most people didn't care. Most people were complicit.
If you search Yad Vashem's database, there are only 16,032 individuals. Germany's population in 1939 was at 86,755,281. Poland's at 34,849,000. Italy's at 43,400,000. Belgium's at 8,387,000. France's at 42,000,000. The Netherlands at 8,729,000. Albania's at 1,063,893. Denmark's at 3,795,000. Norway at 2,945,000. Finland at 3,700,000. Hungary at 9,129,000. Slovakia at 2,655,000. Yugoslavia at 15,490,000. Greece at 7,222,000.
Alltogether that's 256,149,174 people.
Minus 6,000,000 Jews, 500,000 Roma and Sinti, and 250,000 disabled people (all the main targets of the Holocaust), that's 249,399,174 people.
Only about 16,032 out of 249,399,174 people were documented as Righteous Among the Nations. That's 0.006% of the population of Nazi-controlled countries in Europe.
And the resistance movements? Many were formed by Jews themselves. And those without Jews in its ranks were often antisemitic as well, their motives for fighting the Nazis having nothing to do with protecting Jews.
Stop comparing things to the Holocaust.
Stop trying to rewrite yourselves as the heroes.
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odinsblog · 3 months
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For someone who supposedly wants to “denazify”Ukraine, Putin sure does a lot of Hitler apologia.
This isn't the first time Vladimir Putin has been repeating this Nazi propaganda that Poland somehow forced Hitler to invade other countries. Putin has been regurgitating this same old Nazi rhetoric for years, but thanks to one of history's biggest useful idiots, Tucker Carlson, an untold number of tankies + other assorted ignoramuses will believe Putin’s revisionist Hitler apologia.
SN: Strangely enough, Benjamin Netanyahu also engages in the same Holocaust revisionism and Nazi apologia
Anyway, if you’re still dumb + gullible enough to believe that Putin invaded Ukraine to denazify it, or because of NATO, then please send me your full name, phone number, email address, home address, birthdate, ssn, credit card numbers and all of your bank details and social media passwords. I just want to help you out with something. Believe me. The same way you believe Putin :)
👉🏿 https://www.dispropaganda.com/single-post/2020/06/20/putin-blames-poland-for-the-invasion-of-poland
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gay-jewish-bucky · 1 year
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there is just..... so much to unpack here like for one, coming from john chick of all people that's rich since he seems to revel in the brutal deaths of anyone he sees as deviant (including jews!)... for the rest.... where do i even start
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fuckmatpat · 1 year
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Hey, I made a post yesterday about MatPat's Vita Carnis video from last week and how it is soft Holocaust revisionism (If the story takes place in the 1930s and there's dead bodies in Germany, that's the Holocaust, and if the Holocaust happened because of made-up alien monsters, the storyteller is implying that the Holocaust wasn't done by humans and fascism but was some supernatural irresistible force.) I explain a bit better in my pinned post on my profile, would you mind taking a look and maybe reblogging? Thank you so much!
yeah I'll take a look! thanks for letting me know
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djuvlipen · 8 months
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gerrysherry · 6 days
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So for those who aren't craning your neck sideways the sentece at the bottom is "The holocaust may have caused the creation of the state of Israel but that does not make the Holocaust more valuable than the state of Israel"
Bernard Rollin wrote this in his essay on environmental ethics. I really don't like that Rollin used Jewish suffering to bolster his argument of animal rights and ecological ethics.
However, I do like this sentence!
This is ultimate sentence to upset a pro-pal.
A pro-pal will deny that the holocaust is what caused the creation of Israel and that it was zionism and colonial greed instead.
A pro-pal will argue that Israel's very existence is a perversion to Holocaust memory and an affront to the Holocaust. That Israel by existing has devalued the Holocaust.
What about Hamasniks, Germaine?
Hamasniks have a long history of genocide denial they'll just say it wasn't that bad or never happened or conversely that the jews had it coming for being 'filty zionists'.
Rollin accidentally refutes antizionist pro-pal talking points and he didn't even try.
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hellyeahheroes · 1 month
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J.K. Rowling & Holocaust Denial by Caelan Conrad
This situation showcases why intersectionality is so important. bigots will always target multiple marginalized groups at the same time, and they will find strength in trying to deny they're doing it, or have done it. In fact, it is crucial for them to try to separate and isolate the groups they target That's why we must always stand together against them
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troythings · 4 months
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so im back again looking at dc’s original sin and their recent hypocrisy over depicting human rights, and this time its bruce timm’s dcau. you know, the one where batman is a groomer and sleeps with babs.
yeah. no shit they mess everything up. continued under the cut
in the amazons-centered episode “fury” there’s explicit war crimes. aresia, who will grow up to be an amazon intent on murdering every man in the world, witnesses victorious enemy soldiers opening fire inside houses and bombing her village. when she and her mother escape to a refugee ship, armed pirates take everything and then blow it up as they’re leaving.
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this? this is actually a decent depiction of war for a so-called kids show. they’re clearly capable. which should make one think, gee, are they going to apply that same careful treatment to other horrors that happened in real life?
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haha oh boy. this entire 3-part episode was a disrespectful clusterfuck and the writers were completely self-aware that it was a disrespectful clusterfuck. and im going to tell you why.
1) horrible alternate history writing.
well. this had to be the most braindead attempt at alternate history ive ever seen (along with everything else dc has touched relating to wwii) and it’s only topped by spike tv’s alternate history, which has a similar scenario to this one.
so it’s 1944. d-day fails and is the “beginning of the end omg omg” for the allied powers. i assume they mean the western powers because apparently, no american audience gives a shit about the soviet union and their vital part in beating nazi germany more than we ever could. and you know, how they were literally fighting for their lives against an entire country that wanted to wipe them out as a people.
also notable is that they leave out the pacific theater. because nooooo we can’t make fantasy bullshit about imperial japan!! but somehow nazi germany is okay to include in your shitty superhero setup.
yeah. so we later learn that vandal savage got all of his information from a laptop equipped with a cd player (lmao good luck charging that) with some loaded tidbits on how to win world war ii. it’s all cliche shit that you would learn from the history channel. “bla bla, hitler too crazy bla bla, need better technology bla bla bla, also d-day, bla bla bla.”
jesus christ did they just get super stoned and then watch one (1) documentary?
the technology in question is literally spiky rolling pins and jet planes. sorry dc, fancy technology isn’t going to save a dying war effort against a country that’s already developing an atomic bomb. nazi germany was fucked at this point and everyone knew it. nothing was ever going to bring it back. sorry. that’s the truth. dc also seems to have this problem with the typical “nazis get the bomb” scenario. which, doesn’t work either by the way, because they thought “atomic science was jewish.”
and don’t come at me with that “it’s just alternate history” excuse. alternatehistoryhub and pretty much everyone called out spike tv for the exact same divergence. this shit doesn’t get a pass either. bad storytelling is just bad storytelling.
now, if it was about america i mean the allied powers going full scorched-earth and leaving savage’s germany a radioactive, infertile wasteland…maybe id like it. it would be somewhat better than the crap we got here.
tldr: vandal savage is your average sweaty laptop-bound hoi4 player looking for worldwide validation. he gets an idea to send all of his hoi4 tactics to his 1940s self. the nazis then win the war with giant killer rolling pins.
that’s it. that’s the plot.
2) explicit holocaust denial and revisionism.
this one was only implied throughout the episode, but it was actually confirmed by the producers and writers behind the episode:
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so stan berkowitz really ran his mouth here. because apparently, “to kill lots of people [in campaigns such as the holocaust] requires effort and manpower that could have been put to use elsewhere better, like defending the country.”
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okay.
so. the holocaust was industrialized to the extreme. it was not a ‘bad allocation of resources’ that ‘could have went somewhere better.’ it was linked to the war, especially in the eastern front, where the goal was to ethnically cleanse and enslave eastern europe and replace its reduced population with ethnic german settlers. everything about it was all planned and discussed. figures were laid out. thought was put into the extermination of entire groups of people. the final solution was only the start.
what kind of ‘wasted effort and manpower’ are we talking about here? the einsatzgruppen following behind the wehrmacht? that process was phased out, but not because it was a ‘drain on manpower.’ the nazis wanted a more ‘efficient’ way of executing mass murder that could be done faster and with the ‘best results.’ the extermination camp system was the answer to that. killings were mechanized via the gas chambers and bodies were disposed of in the crematoriums, rather than being routinely shot and disposed of in mass graves. the only argument i could see for ‘manpower’ is the camp personnel, but even then it wasn’t the personalized approach to killing that defined the einsatzgruppen. starvation, forced labor, brutal conditions, and illness were killing the surviving camp prisoners too.
and it was the whole point. the holocaust was a deliberately structured, planned nightmare meant to kill off thousands of people just for existing. nazi germany applied the lessons of the assembly line to mass murder. to characterize it as a ‘pointless waste of resources’ reeks of historical insensitivity and ignorance. removing it from nazi germany is enabling holocaust revisionism and denial. both of which are common today. now you have a history in the dcau where “the holocaust was either cut short or never happened at all.” by doing this, you are spitting on millions of people by suggesting, even in a fictional context, that their trauma never happened. you are delegitimizing the memory of the holocaust by deciding, intentionally, to whitewash it outright.
the problem isn’t just that they couldn’t depict the holocaust. it’s that they knew, and chose not to because it would break their whole narrative.
the rest it is typical cowardice and ignorant writing. ‘defending the country’ as if nazi germany hadn’t started the european theater on its own after making a false-flag attack? what kind of ‘defense’ are we talking about here? if you start a war and other people fight back, that’s on you, dumbass. you reap what you sow.
and this thing with savage apparently ‘stopping’ the holocaust by being ‘professional’ if there even is such a thing in wartime? is that supposed to make me empathize with the character somehow? “yuh he work for nazis and is ebil dictator but least he’s not a fanatical murdering racist hurr durr!!!”
which brings me onto the main problem here.
3) portrayal of nazi germany and nazism as an ideology in general.
i think you have a serious problem on your hands if you’re going to use the iconography and history of nazi germany, but then shy away from depicting it accurately. am i supposed to suspend my belief and accept that a bunch of violent racist shitstains allowed a non-german foreigner, who is canonically a caveman and most likely classified very low in the nazi racial hierarchy, to just walk in and take over just because of ‘cool technology?’ and then gets allowed to halt their genocide program based on racism and eliminationism literally in the ideology?
i’m going to tell you something that you probably don’t want to hear. vandal savage would not be accepted in anything near the nazi party. at best he’s denounced as a freak against nature (as pretty much every other metahuman would be, despite this whole ‘superhuman’ narrative that people are trying to conflate to nazi racism) and his plans are stolen and credited to some other asslicking sycophant. what does his dcau version have besides immortality? maybe he’s ordered to be killed and it obviously fails. but being immortal doesn’t mean you can’t feel pain. or that your brain won’t eventually snap from the helplessness of surviving everything, living with the humiliation and never being allowed to end it.
didn’t like that? sorry, that’s the reality of nazism, racism, and exclusionary eliminationist mentality in general for you.
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in the episode, nazism doesn’t get much of an explanation besides the general “take over the world” bullshit. swastikas and iconography are conveniently censored out, which is a problem in itself. unless you’re following the law, like say in germany, if you have to censor out parts of nazi germany, ideology and iconography included, because its not ‘appropriate’ for your audience…then maybe, you should try another plotline instead of sanitizing history. which shouldn’t be a problem for the dcau in the first place, because, once again. they have shown literal scenes of war crimes being committed against a child and her fellow refugees.
but dc comics has a bad history with this topic overall, and im going to confidently say that i’ve never seen anything that depicts nazism, explicitly named, as accurately as it should be. j michael stracynski’s first volume of wonder woman odyssey does a great job at explaining the methodology of genocide and the banality of evil without ever bringing nazi germany into the equation. it’s not even set in world war ii at all, but there is some offhand imagery that invokes nazi mass murder nonetheless. and it’s not surprising, considering JMS has personal experience with the ideology. his own abusive father was a war criminal and nazi collaborator.
dc can portray the ideology accurately and with the respect that the victims deserve, both historical and modern day. anyone can, if they do enough research. but the problem is, most of their ‘fun ideas’ lose the plot when confronted with the real horrors that they can’t face. there is no ‘fun’ in any of this. you either accept that truth and write conscientiously, or you fuck off back to your lane and never go near the topic at all. because it’s better not to have exploitative stories than suffer through actually reading one.
4) superhero brainrot over reality.
so why did the writers knowingly erase the holocaust from the dcau and omit all explicit references to nazi germany, even as they depicted other war crimes elsewhere and actually had a character intent on committing a global genocide?
the answer is simple. they even admitted it themselves.
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that’s right. they didn’t care for the millions of lives lost in world war ii, or the human cost of that period to the point where “genocide” was coined as a legal term for the first time. no, this entire thing started off the base desire to recreate the jingoistic, american war propaganda of the golden age and satisfy some kind of itch. style was the motivator here over substance. that’s all. their own words speak for themselves.
conclusion
unless they have a personal, even harrowing connection to the ideology or knowledge of the topic (as jms does with his family history, or someone who has seen the ideology up close), a majority of people in the comic industry do not care about depicting the horrors of reality accurately. their motives are small-minded and focused on escapism. what the dcau writers wanted was a modern version of the golden age propaganda, where the american public knew next to nothing of the details in the final solution and nazis were just ‘stock villains.’ it couldn’t work, not with the knowledge we have today. so they cut out the holocaust, censored everything incriminating and watered it down to the point where it didn’t really matter.
and who out there, except a couple of people, are actually talking about it? for the most part, nobody else in the industry or the consumer market seems to care. look at the writers who are actually taking inspiration from this, or people citing it as something ‘decent’ for storytelling.
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haha. oh god. we’re fucked.
tldr: despite being more than capable of depicting war crimes: the dcau writers couldn’t handle the reality of nazi germany and the holocaust, but still wanted their world war ii propaganda copium, so they intentionally pissed away every drop of their remaining self-respect and somehow got away with it.
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mintincense · 1 year
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trans people in nazi Germany and the holocaust
i had originally planned to write out all the important details of what we know of trans people's fates in nazi Germany and the holocaust but after encountering holocaust revisionism for days on end, i feel a bit burnt out. so instead, here are some of the major points with links to further reading.
The Institut für Sexualwissenschaft was a queer-inclusive (and queer-focused) institute for sex research founded by Magnus Hirschfeld. From 1919 to 1933 it was a place of research, education and a safe space for queer people. For example, Lili Elbe, whose story was popularised in the film The Danish Girl, was one of Dr Hirschfeld's patients.
On May 6th 1933 the institute was raided by Nazis, and many of the people running it were forced to flee. The raid was followed by one of the first and most extensive burnings, which included many rare research books relating to queer people.
During the holocaust itself, many people are already aware of the gay men who were sent to the camps, the "pink triangles". Some may argue that this was exclusively done to gay men, however, as cisgender and heterosexual people are notoriously bad at telling the difference between gay, gender non-conforming and trans people, it would be misleading to say that trans people were not involved at all.
In any case, we do have evidence of trans people being persecuted and sent to concentration camps. Aside from the famed Paragraph 175 which banned homosexuality, trans people were also persecuted under Paragraph 183 which prohibited cross-dressing (among other things).
To highlight a specific victim, let's focus on Liddy Bacroff, a trans woman who was in and out of prison for years until 1942 when she was taken to the Mauthausen concentration camp where she was murdered in 1943.
But this was not an isolated case. Earlier this year, the German parliament highlighted the LGBTQ+ victims of the holocaust, mentioning an unknown number of trans people, bi people and lesbians who were held and potentially died in concentration camps alongside gay men. And in 2022, the Regional Court of Cologne ruled that denying the persecution of trans people in Nazi Germany can be considered "denying Nazi crimes".
Sources/further reading:
The Forgotten History of the World's First Trans Clinic
Transgender Experiences in Weimar and Nazi Germany
#prideuntold: Liddy Bacroff
Liddy Bacroff
Germany recalls overlooked LGBT victims of Nazi persecution
Vollbrecht-Tweet darf als Leugnung von NS-Verbrechen bezeichnet werden
Trans Liminality and the Nazi State
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the nazis saw jews as not deserving of being alive because of their biology, so they murdered millions and burned their corpses. you see cows, pigs, sheep, chickens. fish (but not dogs and cats) as not deserving to be alive because of their biology, so you pay for millions to be murdered and eat their bodies. you are a fascist. full stop. go vegan for fucks sake, history will not look kindly on you.
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odinsblog · 4 months
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ukrianains include jewish soliders never forgive bibi for invited muskrat to Israel
Ugh. Please do not get me started.
Russia is relentlessly and indiscriminately bombing Ukrainian cities—even the ones with predominantly Jewish populations—to “save” them from Nazis 😒
And Elon Musk is absolutely antisemitic
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Aaand Benjamin Netanyahu has a very long history of espousing white supremacy + Holocaust revisionism that excuses Hitler and instead blames Palestinians for the Holocaust 🙄
I cannot imagine the pretzels tankies contort themselves into to be against Netanyahu and against Musk, but then support Putin. Talk about cognitive dissonance 🤯
Transitive property, bruh: they’re different versions of the same megalomaniacal asshole
It’s a shit show all the way around. They’re all rotten pieces of dog shit. Putin, Netanyahu and Musk all deserve each other. May they rot in hell, very soon
War criminals 🇮🇱 🤝 🇷🇺
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dirjoh-blog · 2 years
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A cry to heaven-By Grant Gochin
A cry to heaven-By Grant Gochin
Jewish nursery school in Lithuania. Almost no Jewish children survived in Lithuania. Renowned cantors unite to give their voices to Baltic Truth premiere This is a blog by my friend Grant Gochin who has been working tirelessly to expose the lies of the Lithuanian government about Lithuania’s part in the Holocaust. There were very few survivors from Lithuania. In the villages, there were almost…
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matan4il · 7 months
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My grandparents were all Holocaust survivors. A large part of my family was murdered in that genocide. I chose to deal with the family trauma by becoming an educator on this subject. I give tours, lectures and workshops on the Holocaust, on antisemitism and on Jewish history.
Intellectually, I'm perfectly aware of how the massacre that Hamas perpetrated is NOT like what the Nazis did. More Jews were murdered over the course of just two days in Babi Yar (33,771 men, women and children), which is just one Nazi shooting pit out of almost two thousand, than during the entire Israeli-Arab conflict. Even after the carnage brought on by Hamas, this is still true. The Nazis were far more systematic (which eventually made them turn industrial) in carrying out the genocide of the Jews than Hamas has been. There's no comparison in terms of scale and industrialization.
And yet emotionally, I can't help but be hit by the similarities in terms of the immediate brutality of the murderers and the experiences of the Jewish victims. Because I am listening to the testimonies and some are so eerily similar to my research, I simply can't process how these are from recent days, not 80 years ago.
Jewish kids hiding from their would be murderers, scared to make a sound for fear of being discovered and killed.
Jewish families completely wiped out.
Jews asking themselves how did they survive and the person next to them did not.
Jewish people executed in droves, their bodies piled up.
Jews begging to be spared, to no avail.
Jewish women raped, most of them then killed.
Jewish babies executed in barbaric ways.
Jews being burned, some after being murdered, some while alive.
Jewish communities devastated. Take kibbutz Be'eri for example. It was founded before the State of Israel. Despite many terrorist attacks, it has continued to thrive in Israel's south. A small, close knit agricultural community. Over 100 people (at least) have been slaughtered there. Homes were destroyed. Everything the kibbutz's economy was based on was laid to waste, too. Be'eri has become synonymous with the worst of the carnage. IDK how they'll build their lives again after the war is over. IDK if they can. A community of almost 80 years, quite likely gone.
Foreign reporters who had been to kibbutz Kfar Azza all talked about the eerie silence and the stench of death rising from the bodies. Eerie silence is exactly how visitors to the sites of the shooting pits describe those places, while the allied soldiers who liberated the Nazi camps talked about the stench of death there.
Some of the reactions to this massacre also remind me of the Holocaust. Even though the Nazis, the murderers themselves, documented their extermination of Jews, there are those who deny the Holocaust happened, painting the Jews as liars. Similarly, even though Hamas documented themselves, and released the footage themselves, there are people going around denying the atrocities, painting the Jews as liars.
Then there's the justification of the mass murder of Jews by insinuating they brought it on themselves... Back in 1943, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, aware of the plight of Jews under the Nazis, told government officials in Allied-liberated North Africa that the number of local Jews in various professions “should be definitely limited” so as to “eliminate the specific and understandable complaints which the Germans bore towards the Jews in Germany.” Understandable complaints. Understandable complaints of Germans against Jews. Roosevelt, the liberal president, said that while Jews were being exterminated by the Germans. In the same manner, we're seeing people justifying the murder of Jews at the hands of Hamas, even though it's a known antisemitic terrorist organization which has repeatedly called for the murder of all Jews in the world. According to the Simon Wiesenthal Center, a reportedly Hamas affiliated Imam declared, "If the Zionist state were to move to the other end of the Mediterranean, our war would not be over, for the enemy is the Jew.
And while I stand by my statement that the scale is nothing alike, the carnage that took place in Israel IS the biggest massacre of Jews since the end of the Holocaust. Not even during Israel's Independence War and some of the massacres of Jews that happened during it (like the Kfar Etzion massacre) were this many Jews murdered during a single day.
Just like so many were silent back then as Jews were being both killed for being Jewish AND blamed for their own murder, many are silent now as well. Don't get me wrong, there are A LOT of amazing people who reached out to their Jewish friends, who showed they care, who took to the streets, who held vigils for the massacre's victims! Many heads of state also condemned this vicious attack. But I'm looking at Tumblr specifically, and it is FULL of posts justifying Hamas' slaughter of Jews. They're being reblogged everywhere, spread in every fandom. People who claim to stand for social justice feel absolutely no shame sharing such de-humanizing posts on their blogs. And what do we do? Are we calling them out? Do we make it clear that it is morally unacceptable to blame Jews for their own murder? Do we unfollow these bloggers, so that at least the dropping numbers send out the message that it is unacceptable to justify the massacre of innocent people?
TLDR:
This massacre is not like the Holocaust, but the cruel antisemitism that motivated it is the same. Let's not let antisemitism thrive here. Please do what you can (whatever that is) to stand for what's right.
(for all of my updates and ask replies regarding Israel, click here)
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power-chords · 4 months
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Abstaining from Instagram stories until people I know can stop doing either genocide denial or Holocaust inversion.
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blamebrampton · 2 months
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Text: tweet by Thomas Willett saying “JK Rowling describes JK Rowling”
Beneath this, a screenshottted tweet from JK Rowling saying “Long experience has taught me that people who believe themselves possessed of almost saintlike righteousness are capable of blocking out almost any evidence that contradicts their world view.
Source: https://twitter.com/thomaswillett9/status/1767818832083640375?s=61
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adhdnojutsu · 2 months
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TW: anti-Semitic and anti-indigenous hate speech
Imagine being so evil and bigoted that you use the opportunity of an indigenous Jew of colour agreeing with you on AI, to launch a flurry of unprovoked attacks based entirely on their ethnicity and your own conscious choice of buying into historical revisionism. But oh well, white else is new? Britain didn't exactly turn left with its last elections, sooooooooooooooooooo I guess some people over there got bold.
Jews are proven indigenous to Canaan, today called Israel. That is a hard fact you can look up. I'm literally born exactly there to Mizrahim (brown Middle Eastern Jews) and forcibly entitled to calling it my rightful home. My birth certificate literally says Tel Aviv, not whatever "go back to Europe" country these neo-Nazis think we Jews originate from. Denying Jewish indigeneity in Canaan-by-any-other-name is identical to Holocaust denial, because you cannot commit genocide against people who don't exist, and nothing can come to exist without first originating somewhere. So denying our proven origin = denying our existence = denying our genocide. Rachel did that by calling me a colonizer in my own proven indigenous homeland. And a sexist slur, but...
Before you go "No you stole the land": No, Rachel's people colonized it like they did everything that wasn't bolted down, then returned it to its returning indigenous folks who were fleeing from pogroms in the Arab world and the Holocaust. We can discuss the crimes the state of Israel commits without spreading lies about Jews' relationship to that land, see. One is legitimate criticism, the other is anti-Semitic, and since we're an ethno-religion, automatically racist as well. I can retrace my personal family back to "Canaan" (Israel) to Babylonian exile. I am indigenous.
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