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spacerockfloater · 2 months

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Sarah J. Maas has no idea what’s going on in her series.

There, I said it. That’s my biggest pet peeve with this series. After the first book, it seems like she’s just desperately trying to create more books to sell, but has nothing left to say. Even the King of Hybern is such a one dimensional villain. What is his backstory? What are his ulterior motives? Why does he hate humans? What’s his NAME? What about the entire COURT OF HYBERN? What are people doing over there? Why are they all described as pale soulless black-eyed creatures? No animals? No nothing? How do the fae live there? How did they manage to raise such a HUGE army if they are below the poverty line? He clearly does not need any slaves if his forces are so strong that they nearly annihilated Prythian?

Unfortunately, this universe is so poorly built. I really loved the first book and it pains me to say this because the world of Prythian is such an interesting concept but it is so UNFINISHED and UNEXPANDED that I wish the series would end after ACOTAR. I felt like there was no story to read afterwards, I was simply watching Feyre’s reality show. And frankly, other than Nesta, Tamlin, Jurien and Eris, who are all SIDE characters, no one seems to experience personal growth or change? None of our protagonists become better people? They just, bond with one another in a weird friendship cult that’s lowkey starting to feel very incestuous.

#acotar #acomaf #acowar #acofas #acosf #sjm universe #sjm books #sjm critical #anti sjm #anti ic #anti feyre #anti rhysand #pro tamlin #tamlin #feyre archeron #rhysand

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ladyelain · 3 years

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Imagine the Archeron sisters coming together in one of their bedrooms in the middle of the night because one of them had a nightmare about their dad dying (probably Elain bc she’s sleeping alone) & the three of them would cuddle up and comfort each other just like old times, when one bed used to be all they had ... 🥲

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feysandfeels · 3 years

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I gathered you read the chapter... how are we feeling, any thoughts you might want to share?

There I was, writing on my journal after a decent day at work when this fucking bomb exploded quite literally on my lap. But fear not I am here and we shall discuss until we can make fucking sense of it. Should I even warn you of the length of this post, or are we all on the same “Luisa can’t synthesise for shit” boat now?

I. Azriel

I will start by saying that this does not make me hate Azriel or stop caring for him and wanting what’s best for him. I still do very much love him. This however does not mean I applaud or get behind how he expressed himself during this specially chapter. For me it was quite disturbing to see how he saw Elain merely as a sexual partner and thought that that translated into love. If he had made the distinction between being physically attracted to her and being in love with her, then I don’t think we would all be feeling like we are. Because it is fair to be sexually attracted to someone but not necessarily in love with them.

From what we saw I think we can gather that Azriel knows Mor is not into him and in his grief from all those years being in love he wants something immediate and there. On top of that he sees his brothers settled and feels like he is owed from the cauldron, so of course he starts seeing Elain as the perfect “solution” to his pain. Now, of course Elain (and no one for that matter) should be seen a solution to anything really. Much less he should jump on that boat and already think of her as his. Az, my sweet, possessiveness is not love.

When I first read the chapter something stood out for me, he said he’s envious of his brothers and the emotional stability they both have, the fact that they were both chosen by the ones they love. We know Az loved Mor with all his heart and although she loves him too, it was not corresponded on the same energy since she is well bisexual homoromantic. He, so far, does not feel chosen in that same sense, which only feeds his insecurity of being unworthy.

In his envy he oversimplified things, he saw what both Rhys and Cassian now have and did the simple most stupid math ever: he went Rhys+Feyre = love, Cass+Nesta = love... hummm then If I’m single and Elain is single then it must mean Az+ Elain = love. (Sugar I love you but that is dumb as fuck). This has the same energy of when you are in high school and you let your friends convince you that you are actually into someone when you are really not, but then you buy into it and start believing in it yourself. In this case he was the one who created that push and convinced himself that it was the right thing.

I think so far we can gather a few things of the place Az is at right now: he is feeling extremely lonely, extremely envious and extremely sad. I do not think this excuses his behavior at fucking all, but at least we know where he is coming from. He is clearly mistaking sexual attraction and possessiveness as love. But I do think it all stems from this turbulent place he is at emotionally, not because he is a bad person.

I do not thing he is a bad person for thinking of Elain as he does, because I truly think this is a set up for the growth he will experience. Is it a good look? honey no. But is it a realistic one? I dare say it is. As I said when I read this I got full on high school bull shit vibes, I thought “ohh I’ve seen this film before and I have lived it”. He is being immature and there is no denying. Which was only confirmed with him regifting that necklace... sugar... that was a dick move, very fucking dickish move -specially since it was alluded that they might have feelings for each other–. My man needs to do some emotional growth because yikes.

II. The Narrative

Now, I have said before that for me, Sarah’s strength lies not so much on her world building or the originality of her works (which is not to say that her worlds suck or her narratives are not interesting and offer something new), but it lies more on her characters. To me she has always excelled at creating characters that do exemplify the range of humanity in its good, its bad, and all that’s in between. Even you can look at stuff that your fave did and go “yeah not cool at fucking all”. At least I know I can and I adore almost every character in this series. I love characters not because they are perfect but because I can either relate to them or because they allow me to understand and experience points of view that are alien to my own experience. Sarah has never made characters black and white. Your faves will make mistakes. Feyre has, Rhysand has, Cassian has, Nesta has, Elain has, Lucien has, Mor has and Az has.

What make her books interesting from this perspective is that she says “characters development does not equal character growth”. Take Chaol for example –if you haven’t read ToG do yourself a favor and read it– his character arc is one of the most interesting and best fulfilled ones in that series because we saw him at his lowest, when we couldn’t empathize exactly and he was being an ass, and then we saw him question his problematic behavior and move past it. Character development means just that: that the character move from point a to point b. It doesn’t mean he will be better by the end, but it means movement. Character growth does mean he will hopefully get to a place where they are “good”.

I think she knows exactly what she is doing with Az and with this teaser. Need I remind you of the chaos the bonus chapter in ACOFAS left this fandom in for a solid two years. This got our emotions high and got us one way or another expecting to see where this will all lead. I don’t think any of us were expecting this chapter when it was announced that Az would get a pov.

III. Conclusion

To conclude I just want to reiterate that I don’t support how he’s is behaving. I think I am accepting how he is behaving. Acceptance however does not meant that I am behind it, it means that I accept it and I am willing to stick around to see him grow out of this and realize why this is all so wrong (because well you know I can’t actively engage with him since he is... you know... fictional). I have had moments like this with some of my closest friends irl with whom we’ve had talks about previous behavior and have had the “be fucking better” talk, which is something that Rhys essentially said (GOD BLESS YOU BOO), and is also a sentiment most of us shared, even Feyre, when Rhys forced Mor to face both of her abusers and then didn’t consult her when selling Velaris off to her dad. And to me that is part of what friendship means, it means being there through the growth.

Everyone has their own limits of what they can understand of a character/person. If this is your own then it’s fine, no harm no foul. If this is what makes you jump ship from Elriel (that’s their ship name right?) then hey all good, I’m sorry for your loss.

I am not an Azriel hater, nor I think I will ever be. At least not from the information I have right now. I do still love him and as I have said before I want to see him happy and with a healthy amount of self confidence (and no Azriel saying you could easily kill Lucien is not the healthy self confidence I am talking about). So if anything I am interested in the arc his character will face, we just caught him at a moral low –which to me still has a solid chance of growth–.

I hope this offer some light or whatever. And remember take it easy, it’s okay to feel things deeply but don’t quit in the middle of the war, we still have his book coming up and I am 100% that will enlighten us more.

ANYWAYS, LONG LIVE ELUCIEN BITCHES.

#jesus fuck that was a long one #Azriel #ACOSF spoilers #A Court of Silver Flames #A Court of Silver Flames Spoilers #Sarah J Maas #ACOTAR #ACOMAF #ACOWAR #ACOFAS #ACOSF #Elain Archeron #Inner Circle #Feysandfeelsasks

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bookofmirth · 3 years

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It's just impression, maybe.

If they're still on theory off Az and Elain's page, he disobeyed Rhys and everything and I don't think he did. If he met Elain in secret, wouldn't it look like "Hidden Love" would happen under Az's influence?

Would Elain, influenced by Az, keep it a secret instead of trying to talk to Feyre and work it out on her own?

Couldn't Elain appear to have no will of her own and let Az fight for her?

Even so, to have it, because Feyre and Nestha would put Rhys in his place if they knew that the couple "In Love" is forbidden to be together.

Sarah always does Couples inside the pages and doesn't leave the obvious in Acofs of who is next...

Her protagonist has become an extra and I can only see a part of the fandom thinking it's Elain because she's the last sister Acheron.

I think Ellucien closes Acotar with a lot of good sense and would love it.

I'm not sure you understand the essence of what I mean.

I think I got you!

There are a lot of implications of these theories that haven't been thought out. Like you said, the assumption that Azriel is willing to fight for Elain assumes that he has been disobeying Rhys, which we don't have evidence of. It also assumes that, like you said, Elain would go along with it and hide it from her sisters. And that Elain would keep being passive, letting someone else fight her battles for her. I don't think that's what anyone wants for her? For her to just be quiet and submissive and pretty and 🙂

When you say that it's under Az's influence, do you mean that he is taking charge? It does seem like he's the one who wanted to rebel, and that isn't in Elain's character. Elain is generally a people pleaser and doesn't create conflict. Nesta and Feyre are the people Elain has been closest to her whole life, so it feels out of character if she were to decide to go against Rhys, ignore what she knows about the mating bond, and have this whole relationship in secret without input or help from either Nesta or Feyre.

You're also 100% right that if Elain told either Nesta or Feyre that she wanted to be in a relationship with Azriel and that Rhys had forbidden it, Rhys would have gotten his ass kicked by one of them. He's already way too involved in that sister relationship.

But you're also right that Sarah doesn't do off-page romance. Especially the beginning of the romance. These are fantasy romance, and so it would be completely against the genre for anyone's relationship to start off page. Personally, I wouldn't be interested in that? The whole point is seeing how people overcome their internal or external conflicts and realize their feelings.

I kinda understand the argument that the next book should be Elain's based on the three sisters - however, we know there is another full book, and finishing the series with a character who isn't an Archeron? That doesn't make sense to me. In ToG, we had a story that took us away from Aelin for a minute, but then the series still closed by focusing on her. It makes sense because it makes the story come full circle.

If the next book were Elain's, we would have gotten her POV or her thoughts at some point. If the next book were Elain's and the Az chapter was the way she tried to introduce that to us, I'd be pissed because Elain is more than her sexual urges. It would frame her entire character in romantic terms, though we know she has many other issues that need to be resolved that have zero (0) to do with romance. If anyone read acosf and the valkyrie friendship and doesn't understand that friendship and family relationships are just as important to sjm as romantic relationships, then idk what to say to those people.

The Azriel chapter told us more about who he is and what he is going through. If the next book were to be about Elain, I would have expected the same - to get more insight into who she is as an individual and what she is experiencing, thinking, and feeling. I wouldn't want to be introduced to her character in 100% shipping context. If that makes sense.

Yes, we have a lot of questions about her, but that's... because we haven't had her book yet. And we are going to get it, at some point. I have a lot of questions about a lot of the characters, but that doesn't mean I assume they are going to be answered in the next book. That just makes me think that by the end of the series, I'll have most of those answers, if not all of them.

I hope that makes sense! And that I addressed your thoughts. I think you have a lot of valid points!

#antielriel #acotar #ask #anon

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abruisedmuse · 3 years

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Right, I came here to confess something, I am afraid that sjm will mess up Lucien's character/personality, I am really afraid that she will turn him into a douchebag as she did to cassian (idk your opinion about acosf!cassian, but I really disliked what had been done to him, really really disliked)

Confess away!

I don't think Cassian was a douchebag at all. He's right there next to Lucien in my fave acotar males. His development, being there for Nesta how she needed it and defending her it was great in my eyes. Sure he has his rough moments, but when he lashes out, it's because he's hurting. It's his way of saying her words hurt him. No it doesn't make it right. It doesn't make him a bad guy either. Especially in the beginning its alot of tough love that's a bit more on the tough side but the love, care and worry for Nesta if still there. If you disagree that's totally fine. Your opinion ❤

To be quite honest nonnie. I dislike when people question whether or not authors will ruin or declare they have ruined a particular character. Here's the thing, these characters they create stem from their mind. Not ours. They cannot ruin their own characters. You can disagree with that statement, anyone can. You can hate the direction/development a character goes. Or their actions, their endgame etc. They are the storyteller and we are just along for the ride.

At the end of the day no one in this world understands Lucien Vanserra the way Sarah understands Lucien Vanserra. She understands him on a deep level because he's her character. Sarah has already shown his kindness and his sass and will continue to do so. I do think at some point he will go off. And it won't be pretty. Some readers may not like this (especially if he goes off on Elain. Tbh, if anyone goes off on her, he deserves too. He's done nothing but act like a gentlemen and she blatantly ignores him.) But there's only so much a person can take. Lucien isn't different. I mean his mate doesn't want him, he doesn't associate with his family, Feyre doesn't really talk to him, his friendship with Tam is done, and eventually he will learn his parentage.. I'm expecting him to hit a breaking point. He will recover and apologize to whoever is affected by his blow out. He's a good person and Sarah, being his creator, knows this.

So in short anon, no I don't think she will mess him up.

#ask #answered #anon #lucien vanserra #cassian #acotar #acotar thoughts

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sunndy2 · 3 years

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Nesta - Elain - Feyre

I've been reading a lot of posts about the Archeron sisters lately and two things in particular have me a little upset.

Warning, spoilers for the whole series!!

The first thing is that some are unhappy that Nesta couldn't love herself at the end of Acosf and why she couldn't do it. They compare Nesta to Feyre and to that I would briefly note that Feyre also does not love herself 100% yet. She hasn't overcome her trauma yet, but Feyre is a big step further than Nesta. But that doesn't mean that Feyre is cured and that she has reached the end of her journey. I don't want to make Feyre's trauma less than Nesta's but I think Feyre was helped by a few things that Nesta didn't have and that Nesta only found in the course of Acosf. The first thing is that Feyre didn't choose to become a High Fae either but she had a reason to accept her new life afterwards and that was Tamlin. It doesn't matter how bad Tamlin was to her and that he was not good for her. Feyre loved Tamlin and she was ready to marry him and spend a life with him. She wanted to accept her new life for him. Nesta had not. She had no reason to accept her new life. She and Cassian were not a couple at that time. Feyre eventually met and befriended the Inner Circle. Among other things, this helped her heal a bit and accept and understand her new body. She found her mate in Rhysand, who was also a great support to her. Nesta found all this only in the course of Acosf. In Emerie and Gwyn, she has found her own inner circle that supports her and is there for her no matter what. I still believe in the friendship between Azriel and Nesta and that they could help each other. After all, they understand each other on a level that no one else does. She finally found her mate in Cassian, who supports her and is there for her. However, she found all this much later than Feyre. That's why it's clear that Nesta is nowhere near as far along as Feyre and that her journey will take a little bit longer than Feyre's. Here it is also said again that Feyre is far from cured. You can't compare Nesta and Feyre. Yes, they are sisters and yes, they have gone through similar things, but they are still two independent people. The same with Elain. She's been through the same thing as Feyre and Nesta, but she's dealing with it very differently and needs a very different way to recover from it than Feyre and Nesta.

That brings me to my second point.

I have read so many times that Elain is useless and stupid. That her only purpose in the story is to look pretty and bring a little drama with Lucien and Azriel. That may be that she was really created just for that, that is for Sarah J. Maas to decide and know best. Then again, what upsets me is the fact that no attention is paid to Elain's trauma. As written before, Elain has gone through similar things as her two sisters. She lost her parents, her wealth and then her first great love. She was transformed against her will into a being she learned to hate from birth. She was bound by some magical bond to a man she does not know and is now supposed to live in a realm she does not know. In addition, one must not forget that she drove a dagger into the neck of the king of Hybern and was significantly involved in his death. Again, Elain is a separate person who deals with her trauma differently than Feyre or Nesta. Feyre threw up every night, had nightmares, and stopped eating. Nesta got drunk and slept with men to forget. Feyre could not see the color red or stay indoors for a long time. Nesta had to teach herself how to bathe again and the ability to be near a fire. We don't know how Elain deals with it, what she does to escape it all. Maybe she is so quiet and mostly keeps out her way of dealing with it. Maybe she thinks that if she doesn't make a fuss, that nothing will happen to her. Maybe gardening helps her with her thoughts, just like painting or reading/music helped Feyre and Nesta. We don't know all this because we haven't gotten a glimpse into her mind yet. We have had 4 books time to read from Feyre's perspective and get to know her thoughts and one book from Nesta's perspective. We just have to remember that Elain also has trauma that she still needs to heal from and just because a person doesn't show it like that doesn't mean they don't have trauma. We shouldn't just judge a character for something or impute certain traits/behavior to a character just because we've seen bits and pieces of it so far.

#SJM #acotar #acosf #nesta archeron #feyre archeron #elain archeron

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back-on-my-bookshit · 2 years

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Books of 2022

A Court of Silver Flames by Sarah J. Maas

Ok, out of order because I definitely finished this one before HOSAB (and even further out of order because I still have to read the last Ember in the Ashes book RIP) but we’re finally getting around to reviewing it. This might upset some people, but I’m giving my honest opinions here. So here we go.

Nesta was never a fav of mine. She was a hard character for me to swallow all throughout the ACOTAR series because we are very different and I had trouble understanding her. I relate more with Feyre so I never really liked Nesta that much. That’s why I wasn’t super pumped and excited to read about her and Cassian (who I loved) getting together, because I honestly thought Cassian deserved better. But after reading this book and learning more about her character and her journey, I can say I’m happy. It will never be my favorite book of the series, but I’m satisfied with how it went. I’m happy that Cassian is happy. I’m happy that the Archeron sisters have settled on a relatively high note.

My favorite arc of the book had to be the Nesta-Gwyn-Emerie friendship and training to become Valkyries. Big win for girl friendships and badass women kicking ass! We love to see it. I like those characters a lot too and hope to see more of them. Plus I ship Azriel and Gwyn! People have been arguing about that but I’m sorry- three sisters being mates with three brothers is so cheesy and I just hate that concept. I love Azriel and Elain on their own, don’t get me wrong, but Elain’s mate is Lucien! He’s not perfect but neither is Elain- people like to blame Nesta for mistreating Feyre but forget that Elain did the same thing. We have hardly seen them interact. I want to delve deeper into that.

Anyway, I just want Az to get his own mate and happiness so I look forward to the future stories. And I’m so excited to see little Nyx all grown up- that whole birthing scene had me in literal tears I’m so happy that everyone survived.

All in all I would rate this book highly; extremely high if you like the characters. I think if I went into it a Nesta stan like some of the other SJM fans I would have been ecstatic with this book. And even as I was (not really that pumped for it) I still enjoyed it and I love the world that SJM has created so I’m always happy to read more of it. Looking forward to the future in the SJM universe!

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bookofmirth · 3 years

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After I read ACOSF and joined the fandom I was also afraid, because there are so many people saying with total certainty that it will happen this or that, theory for this and that, and they are good at inducing people to actually believe it.

Until I started to think logically, to see how Sarah writes her couples and what dynamics she likes to create between them, I saw the interviews, I compared the dynamics of the couples in ToG and ACOTAR, I reread the book, I reread the bonus chapter and I was reassured. Many people are confused because they just read it and a noisy part of the fandom comes out propagating "their theories as absolute truth", but take these theories and analyze the characters in it. analyze how the other characters would act in such a situation, compare it to Sarah's other houses and it's clear that Aaron and Erica's story is not going to happen.

Honestly, a lot of the theories completely ignore the characters' personalities. Especially the one about forbidden love, or the one about the blood duel where the people who believe it claim that the whole IC would support Aaron and Erica in this, where it claims that Erica would love this and see it as proof of love and etc. It has no logic, it doesn't match the characters and their stories. So I am reassured about the whole thing. The only thing that bothers me is that the other part of the fandom is really noisy and many people who are new to the fandom first come across them and end up taking everything they say as truth.

That’s the thing!!! These characters aren’t cardboard cutouts, or paper dolls, or Barbie. They have actual personalities and histories and preferences. Not taking that into account kinda defeats the purpose of shipping, to me.

We can’t see forbidden romance as viable unless we completely ignore Rhys, Feyre, Lucien, Elain, and Azriel’s personalities. And hell lets throw Nesta in there too.

There is no way the Blood Duel will happen between Az and Lucien unless again, we just ignore Az, Lucien, and Elain’s personalities.

There is no way that Gwyn will return to the library for the rest of her life unless we just ignore her personality and the growth she went through in acosf.

A theory is all well and good but square pegs don’t go in round holes. Not everything is about ships. In fact most of it isn’t. Family and friendship and internal struggle is also a huge part of these characters. And ignoring that means misunderstanding the characters everyone supposedly stans. If someone has to ignore 95% of a character’s personality, including family and friendship and internal conflict, to make their ship fit, something is off.

#acotar #ask #anon #acosf

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