#im not even an elriel fan

[tru-ho]

So if Feyre’s story with Tamlin is beauty and the beast inspired: with her falling in love despite Tam being heartless and saving his whole court by falling in love. And her story with Rhys kind of reminds me a bit of Cinderella, yk Rhys coming in to kinda save her from the spring court and then suddenly now having this freedom and experiencing real love.

And Nesta’s story reminds me a bit of Rapunzel since she was locked in a tower. I mean her “main” enemy was a Crone who wanted to use Nesta to make herself young. Then in the end get gets her real family (Gwyn and Em) and her own kingdom (the Valkyries).

Of course not everything fits to the T, but in terms of inspiration I feel like those make sense. Now about Elain though, I was thinking maybe her story might be something like Jasmin’s from Aladdin. Like the rule is that mates are supposed to be together, like princesses and princes. but she falls in love with another aka Azriel/Aladdin. And while the bond with Lucien is there, she just wishes it was different. Maybe Az or even Elain find the 4th missing trove that was elluded to in acosf that ends up being a magical lamp w a genie that gives 3 wishes.

#acotar #acomaf #acowar #acofas #acosf #nesta archeron #elain archeron #feyre archeron #azriel #elriel #me theorizing #nesta #pro elain #feyre darling #i love nesta #im not even an elriel fan #i just feel like that’s where all sign point to #i also don’t really care #but i just idk what sort of quote on quote plot will make up for the next book #fr the plot for acotar was on sticks #there wasn’t any at all for acosf #i am wondering how sjm will string this along #the archeron sisters deserve better #the bat boys are eh they can hang #but the rest of the ic can rot #the valkyrie girlies ofc also deserve better #i hope em can see the world and travel #i hope gwyn is loved and cared for and given every good thing

[lullabestie14]

As an Elucien shipper, have you ever come across any Elriels who understand that Elucien is endgame? I'm an Elriel myself. I enjoy the thought of light and dark or the cute girl who finds solace in the brooding male or the standoffish male whose weakness is the sweet girl. Its a theme that ill admit I'm a sucker for.

however, I have enough comprehension to understand that Elucien is endgame. I can see the hints and breadcrumbs that have been left for the readers. For a moment I was sad because I thought maybe it was a false flag, but there is too many pieces of evidence left behind for me to ignore. Plus after Azriel's BC, I knew it was over.

I can appreciate the thought of Elriel and the fantasy behind it, but I completely understand that Elucien just fits a little better. I tried to speak my mind on this in subredits and other forums but I was quickly harassed and told that I wasn't a true Elriel shipper because I was 'betraying my side'. Like, Im just here for the art and fanfiction fam, what do you mean the other side lmao. Ive been bullied on several platforms because I have said that I like elriel even though I know it isn't endgame. I'm just honestly confused why people who ship Elriel HAVE to believe they are endgame in order for you to be a 'true fan'.

I just wanted to know, are there more people like me out there? I have liked many Elucien blogs and posts because I like the art as well and have found the points of arguments compelling.

No, you might be the first Elriel i see that think Elucien is endgame lol

I think it’s very cool to find an Elriel who actually believe other ships can happen, every Elriel I’ve met always call me delusional for thinking Gwynriel might happen or calling me weird for shipping Elain and her mate.

Before ACOSF comes out I shipped Elriel for fun, but I’ve always known that she will go with Lucien, just like you I liked the vibe between them, the cute girl with the not very cute guy, light and dark. but it was painfully obvious they are not endgame, Elain does not bring the best out of Azriel and Azriel does not bring the best out of Elain.

But then when ACOSF got leaked, people said the leaks basically confirm Elriel, I was shocked to be fair because I thought it’s gonna be Elain and Lucien, but then when i read the book, i was like where is the confirmation? Elain and Azriel in the whole book did not even talk!

and from the plot view, from where the plot was going it was very obvious Elucien will happen. and then I noticed the interactions with Gwyn and Azriel, then I read the bonus chapter, there, Sarah clearly killed the ship. if you know Sarah, a spark in the chest is more romantic than wanting to go down on someone lol.

Same, I don’t like the fact that if you ship someone then this someone have to happen, I shipped Elriel but I knew they will never be endgame, shipping is for fun, you can continue to ship two people even if they didn’t end up together it’s fine!

So yes, before ACOSF I was like you I shipped Elriel knowing that they will not be endgame, but after ACOSF and the bonus chapter i couldn’t continue shipping them because it was painfully obvious

#acotar #elucien #gwynriel #sarah j maas #lucien vanserra #elain archeron #azriel #gwyneth berdara

[lovemyromance]

Can people stop saying Elriels are changing Elain & Azriel's personalities to make their ship work?

First of all, SJM wrote a bonus chapter and 3 books of buildup in the background for Elriel already. We didn't just make up the fact that they're very into each other - SJM literally wrote that in the books.

We don't have to change anything about them. They are already attracted to each other and interested in each other in the text at this point.

Could we sit here and argue that Azriel sitting in the garden with Elain, Azriel sensing she's missing and in danger when the Cauldron kidnaps her, Elain looking to Azriel for comfort, Elain getting him solstice gifts, Azriel wanting to beg on his knees for a taste of her, Azriel giving her truth teller, Elain kicking the hounds off him, Azriel making everyone wait for her to eat dinner - We can sit here and argue and say those things are "strictly platonic" or "he's an incel who only lusts after her" (not sure how both can be true but okay). We can do that - but it won't change the fact that it is ON THE PAGE. THEIR MUTUAL ATTRACTION is IN THE TEXT.

Cool? Cool.

Next Point: Nobody is changing shit about Elain or Azriel.

It's like the antis saw one post about "oh Elain could be a cool warrior" all the way back in like 2015 and have held onto that like that one grainy af Elucien Facebook comment that one account keeps posting as responses to elriel posts (y'all know who im talking about right 😂).

Allow me to give you a refresher: It is currently 2024. Nobody is trying to make Elain be a warrior. I think most Elriels are of the opinion that we do NOT want ACOSF 2.0.

What we do want to see, is Elain potentially as a spy. AGAIN - not a warrior. This is not changing her personality. She is already a Seer - it is not a stretch to want to see her delve into her powers in the next book to use them to SEE and gather information. Elain is ready to help, she literally says "Find me when you wish to begin."

If people are complaining about fan arts where she's holding a dagger - I'm like 99% positive that dagger is truthteller and you cannot be complaining about an actual canon scene where she has been the only other person to touch that knife in 500 years, apart from Azriel. Not even Mor, his one time love, has touched that knife.

And Elain holding truthteller is in the official ACOTAR coloring book - BTW. So if you have an issue with Elain being depicted with a dagger - take it up with SJM's team.

Let's talk Azriel:

Genuinely not sure what people are saying we are changing about Azriel to better fit Elain?

People bring up the "oh he's too dark for Elain she will shy away from him" um. No. It's literally in the text how Elain calls his scars beautiful and does not balk from him.

Also .. what darkness? I did an entire post on what the hell is Azriel's darkness even and still, nobody had an answer for me because ??

We can't be reducing this man down to a job he took very very reluctantly and clearly hates. He doesn't like torturing people for answers, guys!! Y'all make it sound like his love interest can only work if she's his literal torture assistant or something 😭😭

"Hi azriel, you have a 11 o'clock coming in for the usual water boarding treatment." <tucks hair behind ear and nods earnestly> "and then afterwards, I will wash the blood off your knife and accept your darkness?"

Is that what y'all want 🤨🤨 don't be weird smh

Azriel says it feels wrong to touch Elain because HE FEELS UNDESERVING OF HER?? Have you never read a romance novel? The tortured hero being so reluctant to even touch his love because he's afraid his sins will taint her goodness??

Please people. Listen to like... a Hozier song before you try to understand this man because maybe then you might get a crash course on him. This man is so Hozier coded, it's insane to me that people think of him as some fuckboi incel.

Nobody is changing anything about Azriel and Elain. They are drawn to each other and understand each other without having to say a single word. Their love story is already starting out to be the healthiest: friends to lovers. They have been given a title: death & his lovely fawn.

Their very names mean Azriel "God is my help" or "Angel of Death" and Elain means "Light" or "Fawn" or "God has answered my prayers"

It's already on the pages and if you can't see the writing on the walls, perhaps it's time for a reread my friend.

#elriel #elain archeron #elain x azriel #pro elain #azriel #acotar #elain

[gwyns]

https://www.tumblr.com/freyjas-musings/742671202419605504/im-just-curious-but-why-artists-draw-azs-shadows

https://www.tumblr.com/freyjas-musings/742670976839483392/i-just-cant-deal-with-elriels-anymore-they-want

I agree with these posts! I’ve seen so much fan art of Azriel’s shadows interacting with Elain even thought they skitter away from her and e/riel’s are saying that she will make his shadows go away, but in the beginning of his bonus chapter he talks about how his shadows will always be there with him.

They bring up how his shadows disappear around Mor, and it’s good since he had ( some e/riel’s believe he’s over her🤡) feelings for her, but that happened in ACOMAF when Mor & Azriel were originally supposed to be endgame. They were close with each other and had a deep friendship. His shadows vanishing, at that time since Mor who was his love interest, was probably a good thing and could be looked at differently, however in ACOWAR this obviously changed. Mor has to walk on eggshells with Azriel now. Proof of this is her pov in ACOFAS.

So Azriel’s shadows disappearing around Elain and e/riel’s thinking it’s a good thing because they do that with Mor, who is cautious around him, isn’t actually a good thing in my opinion. But they’ll argue left and right that this is good and that Elain makes his shadows calm, but there’s no canon text that she does make his shadows calm.

However, Azriel’s shadows had calmed, seemed content to watch him interact with Gwyn, which is actually stated by Azriel in his chapter, (and actually appeared to want to stay). They interacted with Gwyn in a positive way. I believe Azriel’s shadows are sentient and an extension of his soul. I think his shadows can sense the mating bond. Not saying that it’s snapped, because I most definitely don’t think it has, but I think it’s in the beginning stages. His shadows sense something is there. Which I think is interesting especially since a few days after Solstice we have that whole scene of Gwyn cutting the ribbon (👀), Azriel’s shadows also dancing again when she asked about a prize, Nesta calling Az the new ribbon, and his interactions with Gwyn pick up. When Gwyn was kidnapped for the Blood Rite (along with Emerie & Nesta) Azriel did react contrary to with e/riel’s say. His shadows AND siphons deepened. There was nothing him or Cassian could do though. Hell, even Rhys couldn’t do anything if they asked him. But both of them trusted in the girls to complete it. They showed their faith and support in them.

I think e/riel’s forget that the bonus chapter took place in the middle of the book, and Az’s interactions with Gwyn pick up after Solstice. Azriel and Elain have not interacted with each other (as far as we’ve seen on page unless it’s happening off page) since Solstice. I don’t think Azriel and Elain are having that secret-forbidden romance (there’s honestly nothing forbidden about it), because SJM writes her romances (and develops) them on paper where the readers can actually read it. Having a romance off page (that isn’t developed) isn’t her writing style. Azriel does say in HOFAS he doesn’t have a mate, but Gwynriel’s are fine with that, because we get to actually see their relationship develop. We get to see them become friends, we get to see them fall in love with each other, we get to see the mating bond snap.

I don’t think Azriel’s shadows interacting with Gwyn like that is her being evil as e/riel’s love to claim. Didn’t his shadows warn him about Koschei and the Cauldron? Surely they would do the same if Gwyn was evil. He felt a spark in his chest, which is how a mating bond is described and if you look at other mated couples, the bond is described to be a song between the souls. The wording with Gwynriel is so similar to other mates, especially Bryce and Hunt.

i agree! it's common knowledge at this point that e/riels steal from the other ships but then try to act as if they thought of it first when, no honey, 1. there's timestamp proof and 2. no e/riel has ever been that creative or paid enough attention to canon to develop widely fanon accepted things

even if moriel wasn't meant to be a thing (and tbh i've always been iffy on it. even back in the acomaf days i didn't really see it on both ends, and i swear a fan at a signing said sjm was surprised people shipped them but meh that's a topic for another day. maybe lol), sjm made certain to show us the difference in his shadows around these two women and tell us how deeply az values them. how they're his closest friends, how they're an intrinsic part of him, how they're not going anywhere. if once, them vanishing was a good thing, it's clear that's no longer the case. hence why they want the shadows to love elain but i'm sorry, that's just not happening lmfao

in my opinion, love is kind and sure and calm so the fact that az's shadows calm around gwyn is a huge green flag. like az is stressed af all the time! he needs to be able to come home and be at ease, to relax and just be az. without all the fancy and terrifying titles. we got this in his bonus chapter and they're trying to say it doesn't mean anything? really?? bffr

the "you're the new ribbon, az" is such an endgame indicator in my opinion. like nesta is telling us that gwyn has her sights set on az and we know how determined gwyn is. it's over for the bread and roses ship, if it wasn't already lol. the thing is, gwyn is a sexual assault survivor, az would never dream of coming on too strong with her so if anything happens between them, the ball is in her court. and then we have az who is canonically attracted to unavailable women, whether that's a coincidence, or some subconscious thing that ties into his low self worth... i don't know but to me, it fits perfectly together. gwyn will be the one making moves on him, or at least be the one to take that first, big step, and i think that will be huge for az who constantly feels he's not worthy or good enough

regarding the blood rite and the "forbidden" romance, there's nothing of substance there. just e/riels lacking critical thinking skills as always. if rhys couldn't do anything to get the girls out, what the fuck was az supposed to do? and no one is stopping e/riel from seeing each other except az himself so... you know. clearly he doesn't care about seeing her that much

why e/riels love the idea of every major moment of their ship developing off page, i'll never know. if i were an e/riel, i'd be so pissed. the fun of romance novels is seeing the characters come together and fall in love. and sjm knows that too, clearly, she's a romance author for christ's sake lol. she's not going to have these characters fall in love, move in together and get pregnant off page. no way in hell. that's also why they can't understand that gwynriels are perfectly content with that "he wouldn't consider her a friend but..." or whatever line because, like you said, that means we'll get to see them become friends. then lovers. then mates. why wouldn't you want that?

az's shadows know everything, that's why he's such a valuable spy. they tell him things he couldn't otherwise know. that's literally explained in the books. i believe they're sentient too, they tell him to sleep when he needs to so they obviously care for him, if gwyn were a danger to az, they would absolutely warn him. also the gwyn is secretly evil theory is shit because she's in part based off of sjm's irl friends and her villains are pretty two dimensional. so yeah, that's never happening lmao. even if (big if) gwynriel doesn't happen, gwyn is safe, so they just look stupid as hell talking about "evil gingers" or whatever the fuck they say these days.

i think that after so many books, true sjm fans know when she's working her mate bond magic. no matter how much others cry about it, sjm is a fated mates author. don't like it? go find someone else's books to read. it's as simple as that

#acotar #azriel #gwyneth berdara #gwynriel #antielriel #anti e/riel #asks #anonymous

[merymoonbeam]

What are your thoughts on SJM’s post? Is she still drafting or was she lying? Do you think we won’t get the book until 2026 or was she teasing a title soon?

Tbh it seems she is still drafting. I cant even clown on the fact that she sees editing as drafting...she is still drafting. Its been 6 months since we got that "it felt like a crush" comment and Im done.

Im not excited anymore. Im not feeling the books or sarah as a writer anymore. This is like such a shitty way to treat your fans and they are doing it on purpose.

I hope she flops. I hope her books go downhill from now on.

I hate it. And I will only read the elriel book bc I waited for it. After that...who is janet?

There are far better books and authors who treat their fans better. I cant be bothered to spend time in a fandom like this where the author and the publishing house fuel the toxicity.

I already put everything out of my mind. I am busy. There are better things to focus. 🫡

#anon ask

[nikethestatue]

Wild to me that SJM’s comments these days are mostly asking about Elain’s book. Sure there’s some Gwynriel/Azriel comments but I remember in 2021 when Gwynriels were EVERYWHERE and her comments had to be disabled. I’m glad elriel is prevailing. It’s crazy how the fandom has changed so much though. I don’t even know how much hype the ship war is generating anymore. I feel like a lot of people who were only here for ships have left and now it’s mostly just core SJM readers. Im sure a chunk will break off when Elriel is revealed but I don’t think it will drastically impact hype for the book. They should reveal the main character now so there is time to regain any readers they will lose from confirmations.

Yeah, what a relief. and a difference real fans/reader vs wannabes make. The dust settled and all the foolish girls who jumped on the gwynriel bandwagon are gone. And look, no one slinging mud at each other.

I agree, they should just make the damn announcement and end it. It's been going on for too long.

But let me guess, SJM is 'rewriting the book'!

But yeah, i think now, the people who are left are normal readers who dont care about ships, newer readers who avoided the Gwynriel era, and old timers who are just waiting for Elain's book

[elazrielbook]

tw: mention of sa

gwyn stans: you guys are so mysoginistic and disrespectful for expressing distaste for nsfw gwynriel art

gwyn stans:

drag elain constantly for her feminity constantly and hate her purely because azriel has feelings for her and not gwyn

look down on feyre and the 'female characters becoming mothers' trope while simultaneously using gwyns anatomy to claim shes azriels endgame because she can have his kids and ruling elain out completely because why on earth would a man be with a woman if she cant have his kids?😐

refer to yrene as nothing but a fuck buddy when she had a massive role in the end battle

insult elain as useless after she's done several important things for the main plot (while gwyn has done zero)

claim that mor is the bad guy for 'leading azriel on' when she showed absolutely no interest in him for 500 years. its his own fault he couldn't take the hint, not hers.

reduced gwyns trauma to a romance plotline so that her and azriel can 'heal together🥺' as if she can't heal herself

romanticised gwyns sexual assault and rescue from it to depict it as a gwynriel interaction

claim that azriel is creepy and predatory but continue to ship him with gwyn, showing that they would ship her with someone even if they think he's disgusting

attacked feysand for flirting in a priestesses safe space even though they didn't actually do anything...and then proceeded to make nsfw gwynriel art in said priestesses safe space. even when gwyn herself went BACK to that library and stayed because shes clearly not fully healed from her trauma.

but yall complain that WE'RE the villains for expressing the nsfw art is slightly icky considering the female character is a sexual assault survivor being drawn with a man she has shown zero sexual interest in. its not that sa survivors can't have sex...its simply weird to continually depict them having sex with someone they don't want. and she doesn't want him.

and before yall argue, NO there is no canon evidence that gwyn wants azriel. in any way. and if yall come in here with the stupid ass 'you're the new ribbon az' quote that yall cling to im going to scream. friendly banter does not equal romantic coding.

and before yall gwyn fans come in with "well im an sa survivor and i say-" okay, so am i? so are alot of elain stans? and elriels? sexual assault is not confined to gwyn stans, so please stop acting like yall get to dictate what is okay and what isn't - im not. im not telling yall what to do. im just explaining why you should stop getting mad when we complain. absolutely nobody is saying she cant be sexual after her trauma, we're just saying you could at least be considerate enough to wait until she shows some romantic interest in someone to start forcing sexuality onto her character.

to reiterate - i am not saying "stop drawing gwynriel nsfw art". i am simply telling you that some people have and will find it uncomfortable and that is completely valid. so when people complain about it, you cant just go around insulting and villainising them. to make someone seem like the bad guy for complaining about something as delicate as this is really harmful. stop.

#acotar #azriel #acosf #sjm #acotar fandom #azriel shadowsinger #gw*nriel #gw*n #anti gw*nriel #anti gwynriel #acotar spoilers #gw*nriel art #a court of silver flames #sarah j maas #elain archeron #pro elain #acotar fanart

[kayla-2]

I find I wanna like elain..? not only because she made amends after basically apologizing in acomaf early on but i’m not going to lie…I try to get myself to hype her up but it just doesn’t feel genuine because deep down I don’t think i’ll ever be able to respect how she behaved in book one, or just the fact that she’s never done much at all the entire series but once she gets her book is she going to be girl bossed out suddenly like nesta was? completely changing who these sisters are from how non helpful they’d been for four-five books..

I know people are “trying to forget it all but I guess I’m the kinda reader that can’t, canon is canon and none of that makes her hype worthy for me. Though i’ll never admit it because a lot of my feysand moots are mutuals with elriels, and our two fanbases seem closest out of all the other characters AND it feels pointless not being a “fan” of elains if that’s the only upcoming main character we’re stuck with, I kind of feel like “why not try to enjoy it” so part of me just basically feels like i’m forcing myself to be a stan for the sake of fandom peace and enjoying the next book since i really didn’t enjoy acosf. since i’m in the fandom waiting for any crumb of the IC it feels like you gotta pick a “fave new main character” to support but..az and emerie are the only two I know i’ll grow to respect or even maybe eris or emerie. But it’s hella hard to forget about the sister stuff? Idk maybe sjm will do something to make me not mind all that stuff anymore it’s just..meh.

“Best we’ll get” is right 😭 To be clear she’s sweet..Just..doesn’t excite me at all to suddenly get to know the mute neglectful sister that’s been forgiven but will now be an all powerful seer, maybe get feysand to cough up another one of their houses for a sister that didn’t earn it, another bat boy passed off and drama in feysands household over az and lucien.

I understand and you don’t have to, you can skip over it or skim the book. I’m just exhausting with how Sarah handled the sisters all together that I’ll just take elain and give her chance, plus I’ve always been an elriel. Feyres sisters was horrible done on Sarah’s part but I’m just ready to enjoy feysandnyx without thinking about it. Feyre has moved on so it’ll be hard to read her pov without just rolling your eyes when she talks about her sisters but unless Sarah is going to rightfully close it, im fine with just feyre and elain

#kayla ask #kayla answers

[stargirlfeyre]

If Cerridwen and Nuala are training Elain in secret couldn’t they …get in trouble for keeping that a secret from Feysand who they work for? Not that I want them in trouble but why would they be keeping secrets from their employers in the first place and under their own roof? Rhysand usually keeps tabs on everyone, Az too, the twins work as their literal spies, so am I supposed to believe that they’re both unaware of Elain possibly training her stealthiness with the twins? I just feel like Elain is going to be such a secret keeper and I just don’t like that? Go move into your own house with all that mating drama, Az drama, and secret keeping. I like her but Feyre’s sisters are so full of drama..That bonus chapter proved it for Elain.

Why would she think it’s smart to kiss or makeout with Azriel…WHILE HER MATE WAS UPSTAIRS? I don’t care how in the moment someone is lol, SJM made them both seem highly inconsiderate of everyone in that house. “Oh my mates upstairs nbd ☺️ let me makeout with this other guy downstairs as he’s up there sleeping while also not considering that Lucien might feel disrespected since Im doing it while he’s right upstairs, and nbd if he gets pissed enough he starts a fight with Az over it while a pregnant fragile Feyre is upstairs asleep after her birthday Solstice party hehe Az is so cute I like him” I know she wrote it to be this forbidden moment but SJM writes things at the cost of making her characters seem SO morally questionable insensitive or idiotic. I prefer Az over Lucien don’t get me wrong! I prefer Elriel too! but I still think they were wrong to not to be more cautious of Lucien or a pregnant Feyre upstairs..As much as I’m glad we’ll get a look into Feysands life with Nyx as long as Elain lives there in her POV..the drama with Az and Lucien she brings to Feysands household has run its course for me. Take it somewhere else..Im torn between wanting her to live there to see Feysandnyx updates while wanting her to move out so Feyre doesn’t have to deal with her secret keeping and men drama. Feyre already had to deal with her sisters drama and well being give her a damn break SJM

She can’t even invite Lucien over without Elriel fans crying about it saying it makes Elain uncomfortable 😒 Have your adult fave who is mooching off Feyre get a job and move out then, bc Lucien is her friend, even if he was a history of being a super shitty friend ..they love eachother, she can invite him over whenever the hell she wants even if Lucien isn’t my fave. Moochers can’t tell her who to have over and who not to have over sorry to break it to y’all, either move out or deal with it. Not my fault you got bonded to MY friend sis

I don’t think Elain or the twins would get in trouble for it unless they were doing it with bad intentions. Like if they were teaching her to be sneaky so she could spy on Feysand or something then I’d think they’d get in trouble for it but other than that I don’t think anyone would care what the twins were teaching her. As long as it didn’t put her in harms way. And secret keeping is going to be a main factor in Elain’s book I think. Both her and Azriel are very mysterious characters and they have the perfect set up for a secret relationship…Then again Feysand usually knows everything that’s going on (especially Feyre).

And the whole Elriel solstice situation will always just be incredibly stupid to me. Especially how their fans reacted to Rhys interrupting them. Like yes Lucien is not entitled to Elain at all but the fact of the matter is those two are mates and mates tend to act on instinct rather than logic. If Lucien had caught them a fight would have most likely broken out. Remember how he acted just from the thought of Azriel and Elain being alone together? How do you think he would have acted if he’d actually caught them in the middle of something? And on Feyre’s fucking birthday and while she was pregnant too😭. Azriel and Elain were just being horny dumbasses and Rhys wasn’t harsh enough.

I agree Nesta and Elain are just way too much drama and it’s clear that Sjm is always going to insert Feysand into it. She uses them to make their stories more interesting.

And I never take elriels seriously when they cry about how “Feyre makes Elain uncomfortable by inviting Lucien over” because one it’s her house and if Elain doesn’t like whose invited to a house that doesn’t belong to her then she can move out. And two Lucien was Feyre’s friend before he was Elain’s mate. He’s most likely going to stay Feyre’s friend no matter what choice Elain makes with the mating bond. It’s so selfish and entitled for Elriels to think that Feyre, who has already given up all her teen years for her sisters, is now obligated to give up her friendships too just because Elain isn’t ready to get her shit together. I know y’all love to baby that girl but other characters aren’t obligated to cater to her feelings.

Elain is in the middle of some drama and instead of wanting her to just grow up and talk it out like normal adults do, her fans turn around and try to shit on Feyre for not working around Elain’s feelings even though all of this is an easy fix.

[rosenecklaces]

And then they, together with some of their artists, always love to stir dramas and cry as the victims in this fandom. The artists discord are full of gw*nriels mocking elriels. Artists stopped accepting commission from Elriels. Artists made polls and when Elriel won, decided to not continue bcs of this silly shipwar. Gw*nriels bullied so many Elriel artists but we remained silent and rant abt it on our own safe space, while Gwnriels finds every little thing an opportunity to spread lies and say they are being bullied when its been the other way around. Jess was bullied/harassed before. Most elriels are forced to step back and leave the fandom bcs of the gw*nriel's shitty behavior.

Exactly, all this has been happening for almost 3 YEARS now if i remember well, since that crackship was created, the acotar fandom has gone worse and the way anyone who properly loves elain or, god forbid, wants her with a man SHE wants, is public enemy number one and somehow the problematic ones in any situation. Even when artist like virtual bunny, who LITERALLY also draw their ship, gets interested in giving something to elriels, they lose their shit. I still remember how they called her a traitor and they got into her dms like crazy just because one fanart.

I'm not gonna say Acotar fanbase has never been problematic, im fairly new to the series but i know tamlin stans has existed for years now, there's people who always had pitting the women (the sisters mostly) against eachother, there has been haters of feyre nesta or elain maybe since book one, azriel feelings and personality has been transformed irrevocably since his appareance, etc. All that has happened yes, but not to the extent that is now, and that's because the fandom had let gwynriels get inside acotar spaces as if they own the place and their ship is not stupid and nonsensical as hell.

I don't know if some people trashed elriel in the artists discord or reddit and who knows more because i don't have neither, but I also couldn't pass it as a lie since i have seen artist ( and even "neutral " ones ) starting shit and spreading the victim blaming on the ship war that, surprise surprise! Is elriels always the ones to lose or seem as the villains for them 💀 I do remember someone sending me SC of acotar reddit where they act as if elriel doesn't exist yet gwynriel is fairly treated and even let them stole shit from elriels/elriel canon scenes but well is obvious most of them never liked elain so isn't surprising they let the unimportant ginger be praised when elain is a fucking ARCHERON and next in line

As i said before, i don't blame acotar fans and especially elriels for wanting to keep peace and not wanting to trigger gwynriels reactions but, i will say that as far as I'm concerned, that type of deranged fans aren't people for me, so i don't feel i own them respect at all. They aren't even a case like elulus because at least they have a little ground to stand on with their ship (just a mating bond but well. they can hold on to that until elain's book comes) while gwynriel is pure and clear misogyny against elain, big doses of self insert and let's not get started on the romantizacion of SA victims...

At the moment I really hope Jess keeps doing what she obviously likes and enjoys working on, but considering what she has been trought alongside others elain/elriel artists since the demonic crackship started, I wouldn't blame her for leaving.

#long post #rant #acotar #booo gwynriel i hate your pussyyy #it had been a long time since gwynriels pissed me off but now they are getting so damn low again #their always in some bullshit i swear #and delulus are on that btw they always got so pissed when jess says no to drawing elucien

[silenas]

I am doing great!! I am winding down by reading acosf. every time I see you on my dash I think of elriel, the ask you sent me, and how we fangirled over being elriel shippers haha!

HELP I CANT READ ACOSF KNOWING THE CHAOS IT CAUSED but I hope you’re enjoying it!! and yes im so glad we fangirled over elriel together it makes me feel less alone HAHA (also look @ tags hehe)

#im not even a fan of acotar anymore im just here for elriel 😭 #ALSO WHEN IT UR BDAY I MUST KNOW I WILL COME OUT OF MY EDIT HIATUS TO MAKE U AN ELRIEL EDIT #calista tag #love letters

[vicioux]

SHADOWS & SORROW by katsum1

Almost a year after the events in A Court of Silver Flames, Elain tries to figure out how she fits into the Night Court, wanting to find a purpose. Her sisters are anxious to help her, one thinking Lucien might be the answer and the other wanting to push her to expand her horizons. When more of her gifts are uncovered, she jumps at the chance of serving the court in new ways. Meanwhile Azriel continues to wonder how he can feel so drawn to a female who belongs to another.

this fic has me in a chokehold ok i have to share it it’s new but there’s already 20+ chapters out which is great for a binge read the writing, characterization of every single character, PINING, ANGST, plot is absolutely fantastic (and there’s elriel smut too no worries ch 12 im lookin at ya)  this is definitely a must read for elain fans especially oh my gosh the fic goes deep into her headspace and reading her journey has literally brought me to tears so many times if SJM gave elain even an ounce of development in the books like author does here maybe people wouldnt dislike her character so much lol not to mention she doesn't just exist in a vacuum here and actually has meaningful interactions with all the characters 😊😊 ok rant over just wanted too pop in and rec this fic

#elain archeron #pro elain #elriel #pro elriel #acotar fanfiction #acotar #acotar fanfic #elriel fanfic #azriel #archeron sisters #IM IN DEEP #if the next book isnt elains atleast i have this #:))))))) #everybody gets along #no slander #will probably make an acotar fic rec list #maybe #if theres interest #ficrec #vicioux fic rec

[lovemyromance]

So I finished the books of acotar and Im confused, WHAT IS THERE BETWEEN AZRIEL AND GWYN?? I read the bonus chapter of acosf, but that just showed me more of ELAIN AND AZRIEL. Im literally seeing people saying "azriel and gwyn had more chemistry than elain and azriel" LIKE HUH??? like where did this ship come from? I didnt even know about this bonus chapter until I came to tiktok. I thought gwyn was just a side character... I had no idea this was a ship because there is nothing between them that I saw. 😭

Yeah I literally have no idea. I cheated a little when I was reading ACOWAR and looked up fanart before I finished the series. I saw Azriel with this redhead and was so so confused. I thought hm maybe he gets a mate after the war.

Then I read ACOFAS. Was really shipping Elriel but was sad that his fan art was with some redhead other girl. I genuinely at one point wondered if it was Vassa because she was the only other redhead female character I could think of other than Amarantha 😅

It was bothering me so I asked my friend (who was the reason I read the series in the first place). She said she had no idea who that woman was.

And I thought she was just lying to me to avoid telling me spoilers lol so I continued reading. Imagine my surprise when I finished ACOSF, got even more invested in Elriel, and still had no answer.

Then I actually did a deep dive online and found out that it's GWYN they're shipping with Azriel? I was so confused. I asked my friend if there was another book, why is this Gwyn Azriel ship a thing?

She didn't remember who Gwyn was because she read ACOSF immediately when it first came out and hasn't reread since, but that's beside the point.

Then I did some more digging. Apparently a bonus chapter existed which made things more clear? I read it. Still did not understand where the ship came from. If anything, it only cemented Elriel endgame for me.

I said okay, maybe I'm being biased? I made my friend read the BC - she did not even know it existed and she literally has been reading the series since it came out in like 2015 or whatever

But again, that's beside the point.

And before anyone even argues, she was a strong Elucien supporter and would argue with me "no they are mates Elriel is not a thing". I made her read the bonus chapter and she immediately switched to Elriel. She said "yeah ok - there's no going back from that one". She also, did not view the Gwynriel interaction as romantic in any way.

I really don't know where Gwynriel came from. Like I've said over and over again - I understand Elucien. They are canonically mates. A mating bond is all they have, but until disproven, it still counts.

Gwynriel doesn't have that. They barely even interact on the page.

I don't know if it's because people hate elain, or they ship Azriel with themselves and they can't relate to Elain so "hey, here's another attractive straight girl boss I can pretend is me", or they ship Elucien and need Azriel out of the way 🤷🏻‍♀️

Gwynriels literally KNOW there is nothing romantic between the two currently. Their entire ship is based on this concept of "well it could happen" or "what if". That's why I don't take it seriously. They have very limited info about both Gwyn and Azriel and they have allowed their imaginations to fill in the blanks. Then the ship gained popularity and their imaginative scenarios got repeated enough that people began to think that was actually in the books. Then they got confident and began to yell their made up scenarios louder in the fandom.

Most of Gwynriel is rooted in imaginative headcanons. They saw any mention of Gwyn or Azriel and began to fill in the blanks themselves. Aka Azriel trying to excuse himself by saying "I have to go over daggers with Gwyn" suddenly wasn't just an excuse and actually a secret planned date between the two where she got "private dagger lessons" and they talked for hours or whatever. It became real to them even if it didn't exist in the books. They didn't do any fact checking before repeating their HCs over and over until it became the truth to them. And then they went on other shipping posts and started fights over their fake recollection of canon.

Literally just last week, I saw a post about how Gwyn only blushes for Azriel she has feelings for him. That never happened. She blushed for Rhysand, not Azriel.

But the thing is, just because you say something louder than someone else, doesn't mean you are correct.

I really don't engage with Gwynriels because half of them have admitted they haven't even read the books, just the bonus chapter. Or they've just read ACOSF.

Either way, I just see it as a crackship. If they ship it because they find it cute, sure whatever. If they're more active in the fandom, I just scroll past their posts and don't engage. I don't see where they are coming from and they're not going to see Elriel so there's no point trying to convince anyone at this point.

#elriel #azriel #elain archeron #pro elain #elain x azriel #acotar #elain #antigwynriel

[morgana0anagrom]

I really hope you don't draw Elriel, your non-drawings are too cute for this shipper's trash

first of all... you are kind of being rude. because no one can tell me what to draw and what not to draw.

secondly... dont drag me into this, shits getting annoying and im trying to be respectful to all of you and i expect the same.

this doesn't concern me. don't make it my problem. i don't ship anyone, i don't even like romance in books. i skip all the lovely-dovely stuff when i read. that's how much i don't care.

and lastly i will fucking stop drawing any sjm fan arts if you continue bullying me. even if its commission i wont share them. im already on verge of leaving this fandom as it is.

this is getting out of hand. im not your toy

[nikethestatue]

So I’ve been lurking on reddit and theres this gwynriel person who is always posting about them and their theories and even their posts about gwyn get more traction and comments than other posts. Seeing how big gwynriel is online makes me wonder if im in the wrong about elriel since it seems we are the minority here…

Nah. There is like one main Gwynriel who posts on literally every platform. All the time. Same stuff. Nothing new. So her fans just follow her from place to place.

[elazrielbook]

gwynriels aren't able to see the difference of romance foreshadowing and simple friendship because all of gwyns fans became her fans BECAUSE of gwynriel.

if she hadn't interacted with az at all she would have the tiny amount of fans, like emerie. which is just sad.

im sure their are people who love gwyn on her own(like me) but 90% of her fans have based all of their love for her on the fact that shes azriels mate or will 'end elriel'.

thats why yall took innocent moments like him 'looking at her with admiration' and friendly banter like 'you're the new ribbon az' far too deeply and tried to make it 'romance' when its not. azriel has those kind if moments with feyre and nesta and mor and amren. but elain is the only one he had major romantic coding with, even since acomaf.

so yeah gwynriels can't tell the difference between friendship and romance because they don't want to. because that would ruin their ship. because canon would ruin their ship.

..but yall aren't ready for that conversation😮‍💨

#acotar #elriel #elain archeron #azriel #pro elriel #sjm #acosf #anti gwynriel #acotar fandom #elain #azriel shadowsinger #gw*n #gw*nriel