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#loki season two episode four
its-all-a-blur-pal · 6 months
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For all time. Always…
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annoyingboing · 6 months
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honestly i’m fascinated by loki and mobius’ relationship platonic or romantic. i really hope they address it more in this season (although fat chance because haha disney) because it’s honestly incredible to see how different this loki is from our mcu!timeline loki and it’s the tva and mobius who has helped him change so much
i think the pie scene (OH MY GOD THE PIE SCENE) was a step in the right direction BUT WHY WASNT MOBIUS THERE
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broadwayfan92 · 6 months
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After watching Loki season two episode four
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lunarspiral1127 · 6 months
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*SPOILERS*
Oh my god, can Sylvie just shut the hell up?! No one dragged her back into the TVA! No one forced her to be there. That was her choice! They asked for help the first time, she refused. It's only because her new life was threatened that she got involved. Everything she did so far was her own choice, and so far, her choices made things worse for everybody! And, no one is calling her out on it except for O.B.
I get that timeline was pruned when she was a kid and had to live in apocalypses since then, but I'm so sick of her freaking attitude and her lashing out on people who don't deserve it. I'm hoping B-15 would be there to tell Sylvie that they're changing the TVA, but I don't think she'd care if it did. She said she wanted the TVA to burn, so why doesn't she go back to work at McDonald's in her new life?
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spider-gem · 7 months
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What if Mobius was a villain/anti-hero in his past life?
Here’s why I think there’s a good possibility for this:
While it’s probably easier for Marvel to go the boring route (Mobius was simply a normal dude with a normal job and a normal family, etc), I think there’s more to Mobius than we think. Owen Wilson himself teased Mobius has a deeper story arc this season:
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In the latest episode, X-5 (or Brad) strikes a nerve when asking Mobius why he’s not interested in his past. Mobius tells Loki that he likes his life at the TVA- that’s his purpose and he’s good at it (My Lokius heart also tells me that it’s because he likes being with Loki and doesn’t want to lose him if he goes back to his past life- yeah yeah, I’m delusional, I know…)
I may be looking to hard into this (I’m a writer and reader, over-analyzing is what I do) but what if there’s a reason Mobius prefers his life at the TVA? Don’t get me wrong, I do believe that his memories have been wiped, but what if there’s something deep within him (part of his subconscious perhaps) that’s telling him to avoid his past?
I looked into Mobius’ comic counterpart to see what I could learn about the character. There’s not much. He’s had interactions with the Fantastic Four and She-Hulk, but there aren’t any details on his past. However, there are a few things I found interesting:
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We all know that Kang created the TVA, but could this imply that Mobius may have known Kang personally and chose to work with him? Let’s dive deeper:
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Mobius is also known as Mr. Tesseract. Why? I have no idea. He doesn’t seem to have any relation with the Tesseract. (There are some VERY cool fanarts though, so check them out if you have time). However, there’s more:
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There’s a Mr. Orobourous and a Mr. Paradox as well. We just met Orobourous (spelt as Ouroboros) in the first episode of season two. Also, connect the dots: Mr Paradox = General Dox? I may be looking too deep into this, but I feel like these three may be connected in some way.
While this still isn’t a lot of information, there’s still a chance that this alias has something to do with Mobius’ backstory in the show. So, here’s my theory:
What if Mobius, once known as Mr. Tesseract, worked closely with Kang? What if he helped build the TVA? There’s a possibility that he has powers he doesn’t know about (as well as O.B. and Dox) that helped structure the TVA. Mr. Tesseract may have powers similar to his namesake. Mobius balances the TVA’s power over space, Ouroboros (which, in definition, is a snake that represents infinity) balances the power over time, and Dox balances the power over reality.
So, why don’t they have their memories? I theorize that Mobius (and maybe the others) eventually realized that Kang was wrong. Maybe he attempted to overthrow him. In the end, Kang defeated him and took away his memories as punishment, making him forget about his powers. We also know that Mobius’ memories have been wiped more than once, so there’s a chance that Mobius’ powers (in theory) eventually resurface, causing Kang to repeat the process.
This may be just some wacko theory that I overanalyzed and spent too much time on (probably) but the idea excites me. If this is in anyway true, how will Mobius react? How will Loki react? How will this impact the course of the show?
I can’t wait to find out more. Again, Mobius may have just been some random jet ski enthusiast on the time line. But that’s the boring option. Marvel, please don’t be boring. (Marvel’s probably going to make it boring).
So, what are your theories?
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pinktwingirl · 7 months
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Wait I thought Loki season 2 is getting good reviews everywhere, could you cite some examples?
I really can’t stand what they did with Loki in season 1 and it still feels the same..
Here are a couple of examples that I found. Basically, the general complaints are that the show isn’t focused around Loki, it’s filled with way too much exposition about the multiverse and timelines, and Loki is boring and completely unrecognizable from his previous appearances… which, again… did y’all watch S1??? This isn’t new. Also a decent number of reviewers are clowning on the show for basically becoming a McDonald’s commercial (and rightfully so)
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lokiondisneyplus · 6 months
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The first scene filmed for Season 2 of Marvel Studios’ Loki was the one from Episode 6, specifically when Loki time slips back into the Time Variance Authority to speak to Mobius. It’s a mirror of the scene directly pulled from the first episode of the first season, where Mobius has brought Loki to a time theater to interrogate him about some of his past transgressions. Loki, way back when, does not want to partake in any of this and threatens to burn the place to the ground. But now, at the end of Season 2, the scene takes on a different tone as Loki has returned here to ask for help, and essentially say goodbye to his best friend.
While getting ready to film this scene on set on Day 1, in a behind-the-scenes interview, Tom Hiddleston reflected on what a full circle moment it was for him and the character.
“Loki has to go back, right back to the beginning of the story, to see if he can find an answer to a question in his mind,” He explains. “He needs to go back to where it all began. It reminds me of that T. S. Eliot poem, the “Four Quartets,” ‘and the end of all of our, oh no we shall not cease, we shall not cease from exploration and the end of all of our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time.’”
All season long, Loki has been on a mission — across the timelines — to try and save the TVA and his friends. It hasn’t worked out in his favor so far. He’s eventually faced with an impossible task and begins to slowly realize what he must do, but not before slipping back to talk to Mobius one last time. He wants to say goodbye. 
“I think structurally we felt as soon as Loki gets back into the Temporal Core control room, the story's got to pick up, and you're going to move into this fully different thing. There's no time to stop down and have that sort of goodbye with Mobius,” Executive Producer Kevin Wright explains to Marvel.com. “When you start talking about, OK, we need to carve out some way that we can get somewhere and have a goodbye with Mobius. And Mobius doesn't know it's a goodbye. Literally, in his timeline, he's just meeting this guy. But to Loki, this is the goodbye.”
Head Writer Eric Martin viewed the scene as one last time for these characters to have one of their tried-and-true conversations across a table. “Loki already knows what he's going to do. He already knows what he has to do. So, when you sit down to write that, it's just like, all right, we have to have him express where he is right now and get what he needs out of Mobius, but he's engaging emotionally, too.”
As Wright notes, unlike the scene in Season 1 Episode 1, the script is flipped on the integration this time, as it’s Loki who’s asking Mobius all sorts of questions. It’s at this point that Loki, and viewers, learn Mobius’ own origin story with the TVA and some of the hard choices he’s had to make over the years. Loki, staring down his own hard choice, needs to hear some of these things himself.
“That was always really important, revealing more about Mobius than maybe we ever realized in two seasons, what his past was, and it was sort of then a flip of that season one interrogation, where it was so antagonistic, and this time it's Loki going back to try to get advice on how to handle a really difficult situation,” Wright continues. “This Mobius doesn't even realize that's the conversation he's having.”
The two men talk for a bit, but it can’t last forever. Loki asks about what it’s like to make hard decisions, and eventually, Mobius tells Loki exactly what he needs to hear: “Most purpose is more burden than glory, trust me you never want to be the guy who avoids it because you can’t live with the burden.”
With tears in his eyes, Loki shakes Mobius’ hand and says thank you before he slips away, again. If you’re emotional, know that that emotion you’re seeing between the two men on screen is real.
“It's a special thing, because Tom and Owen, they have a real connection on screen,” Martin adds. “That chemistry is there. It's there in person. They work so well together. I think it's touching for everybody on set because you're just feeling a little bit of magic. It's the last magic that everybody will see.”
Hiddleston knows that what he’s got with Wilson as a scene partner is special, and that’s what makes this goodbye so much harder. “Owen is kind of elevated the whole series, he’s so intelligent and imaginative and witty. Mobius and Loki are kind of an odd couple but, they found a friendship. They make each other better.”
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marvelights625 · 5 months
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i saw one of loki’s crew member’s say ‘he’s in love.’
it doesn’t have to be for sylvie.
it doesn’t have to be for mobius.
i think it’s good that they didn’t mention who. but i think personally that it’s mobius.
and that doesn’t make me delusional. yes, sylvie and loki got a kiss. but that’s all it was. because sylvie wanted her own life, and she was perfectly fine without loki. no matter their ‘deeper relationship’, i think they have given up on each other. i think that from the beginning, it was just supposed to be about self-reflection.
i also personally believe that they were pushed together because it was the closest thing to a heterosexual romance. (only my opinion).
even both the actors had said
‘it’s kinda weird isn’t it?’
‘sylvie was like a mirror that reflects and challenges him.’
‘it’s more like a goodbye kiss.’
i think their relationship (if they had one) ended. not ignored, but it’s that both the characters have realised what they want.
‘i want my friends back.’
‘i want to live.’
i didn’t ship lokius in season 1, because i acknowledged the fact that mobius was, in some way, mistreating loki. he may have been loki’s first friend after episode four, but sometimes he emotionally manipulated loki using his past as a weapon.
but in season 2, platonically or romantically, they loved each other. it was just there. their synchrony, their co ordination, their deeper conversations, their care for the other’s well being.
loki was lost without mobius in episode 5.
mobius was lost without loki in episode 6.
it was kind of visible. and it gives me sort of soulmate vibes.
they were so comfortable around each other. and i don’t ship them because they’re two men.
i ship them because they had such a beautiful relationship.
it’s so sad that we’re called delulu because we expected a queer relationship in a large scale show that is crucial for a franchise. but that’s how it is.
if mobius would have been a woman, they would immediately make them a couple with the screen time they have. all those touches would be a ‘spark’ and all those deeper conversations would have more romantic value.
i didn’t want a kiss, or a hand hold, or basically anything like they do in typical romances.
if in every interview they can talk about all the connections he’s made, and openly say that he’s in love, why didn’t we get some closure.
why did we get a half-assed ‘for you’ and then loki just processing the burden of his purpose. why didn’t we get a real-time, ‘thank you for finding me, mobius’ or ‘goodbye.’ or a hug or something!
tumblr is the only social media i’m on, and i only follow the loki fandom. and with the ship war out there, i just wanted to say, i’m sorry if i offended any sylki fans (even with my prev posts). but i’m not sorry for shipping lokius despite that kiss and believing that if loki loves someone, it’s mobius.
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Loki Episode 5 Coherent Thoughts
Spoilers for Episode 5. Once again, I have not rewatched before posting.
Most of this is lokius related because I'm still a damn fool.
I want the twist at the end to be that Loki gives Mobius (and the others) back his memories to give him the choice to go back to his life, and is just really sad about it, because he expects Mobius to want to go back to his kids who don't have a mother. But he gives him his memories of his past and they're... not what he saw when he found him. Like at all. I'm not gonna speculate on specifics (*cough* Theo Bell *cough*) but he doesn't have the responsibilities of being a single parent. And Loki's like 'No, but you had two boys,' and he tells Mobius about them and they both kind of realize at the same moment that they looked like Mobius but acted like Loki. None of that was real. Mobius made all that shit up and it somehow manifested. Because he's got it B-A-D for Loki, like a middle schooler with their first crush imagining an entire life with them.
Alternatively, I saw only one other post about this but maybe it's gotten some traction by now, but maybe Mobius's wife got Blipped four years prior. So the good thing is the boys are gonna have a parent in a year even if Mobius decides to stay with Loki.
Hi hello I'm still disturbed that these very young children have been possibly left home alone for eight hours (he says his shift is 9-5), and Mobius couldn't even answer the phone when they called. We don't see a babysitter. Mobius, this is neglect. For the children's sake, I fucking hope either A. they aren't real, or B. a more responsible parent is about to come back and take care of them in 2023. (Ugh, but Love having cousins who are about her age and just as chaotic as she is would be amazing.)
I've come up with the worst Dad joke and a way for Mobius to get out of his bribery with his kid he for sure cannot deliver on. He brings OB around for dinner. OB's timeline name (if I read the subtitles correctly) is A.D. Doug. ADDOUG=A DOG. And his TVA name is Ouroboros, the SNAKE eating its own tail. (Alternatively, you now know Loki, you can borrow his sons Fenrir and Jormungandr. Blended family.)
I know it hasn't been explicitly stated, but I thought the whole thing with Alioth in season one was meant to imply that Loki now knows how to restore memories. So why the fuck doesn't he try it in this episode? Even if he's pretty sure they're all where they were prior to the formation of the TVA, it's still after for him, so why wouldn't he at least try it? When he kept moving toward Mobius in the garage scene I thought he was gonna grab his head but he doesn't. (Maybe he was interrupted by OB, but he has ample opportunity later.)
It just needs to be said because I love history. I am obsessed with Casey being Frank Morris. Both he and Loki being central to these ongoing (technically) mysteries is amazing. Like unlike Cooper it is generally accepted that Frank and his co-escapees drowned during the attempt, but no bodies identified as the men were ever found (if my shallow dive into the wiki article immediately following the episode is to be believed). OB, your boyfriend's a convict lolololol!
AD Doug is still gender-neutral though. It's 1994 but my boi can still be enby. (I'm aware enby people existed well before this but, and the wiki is not being helpful, I think the specific term was coined in the mid to late 90s or possibly later, so OB may not have been aware of it.)
I don't think Marvel is moving toward Casey/OB (at least not before the end of this season, if we get another season it MIGHT be a different story), but fuck it would be so funny if they met so much later than lokius but were able to get their shit together faster than lokius. I think it'd check out for for everyone involved. Hell, maybe they're already together and it just hasn't come up yet to the group. That'd be funnier (bonus points if B-15 already knows though).
Loki for some fucking reason: Hold on, I gotta look cool and suave for this dork of a single dad who's already informed me at least three times of his own volition that he's single.
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gods-of-mischief · 6 months
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My thoughts and theories after S02E04
This theory is based on my feelings, moments from trailers, footage from filming and statements from the show's creators in interviews. And maybe things I've read in the last few weeks.
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The first four episodes showed us that everything that happens is important for the later plot. And every decision can affect the further development of the story. And as the end of the fourth episode will show us, the decisions and actions of the characters were not always the right ones. If the creators wanted to show the "wrong way", I think they succeeded more than well. Like seriously, everything was slowly going to hell… with destroyed timelines, ruined lives and the death of innocents. And then there is the development of the characters and their decisions.
Yes, Loki's development was amazing (like, for example, his speech in the pie land was just great) but at the same time, you can see that he is not happy and not on top of things. Yes, there is situational humor, he wants to help, he wants to solve the problems and there is no place for "being cool and without worries" but I mean you can tell that he feels alone. He often looks resigned. He lost the life he knew and is in one round of events. Moreover, he feels rejected by Sylvie and his feelings are hurt by the misunderstanding with her.
Sylvie has found a new life, but her "I'm happy" and "everything I've done is fine" sounds like her self-delusion. She exhibits behavior that Loki would have before. Being on top of things, hiding feelings, having heightened emotions in a confrontation. But there are moments when you can see that it bothers her and in the finale it was shown that she is starting to see the whole context of things. But it's too late. Maybe that's why Loki knows that Sylvie needs to start seeing things through her own eyes. And it's all the more difficult when he understands exactly why she is the way she is. But at the same time, he fears that her "happy mask" might be real. And that there is no hope for "we'll figure it out together".
And there's also Mobius and his "bad day at the office". This is certainly not the path his character is meant to take. Being surrendered, not wanting to know anything about the past and solving problems with lime pie and hot chocolate from the cocoa machine (but not gonna lie, I totally get it).
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But then there is the other side of the coin. We have seen that when Loki and Sylvie are together, they are stronger. And if they clear things up and talk (as much as possible) it will move them forward. The problem is that they ran out of time to solve the problems. So what will happen in the next two episodes?
My theory is that the first scene of S02E05 will be the same as S01E01. Loki in the desert. The entire current plot will be his time loop. Yeah, maybe we shouldn't go that far. Maybe it will be right after the Citadel. But the trailers tell us we'll see a scene from his arrest at TVA, as well as their fight from the season one finale. Either he actually comes back and relives everything, or he comes back and with it his time slip problem and tries to change specific moments.
But the problem here is that I don't know how it will work with his memory of previous events. If he knew everything, he could try to change things, but he could change too much. And the memories of others? If everyone took different steps, it would change too many things. Plus, we don't want Loki to lose his relationship development with Sylvia, with Mobius and the others. So it's hard to say how this will be resolved. Additionally, his time slip and ability to change the past is still very vaguely explained. Why can he do this? Why after Citadel?
Then there's the second McDonald's scene and the bar scene with Sylvie. If he had his memories, he could have found her right after the Citadel. For her, it could be sooner than a few months and she could be more open in conversation with him. Joining forces sooner might help. And it can help even more if the two are actually okay with each other. Be that as it may, they are the ones who matter in all of this. He Who Remains made it clear. But their different view of things, their scattered feelings were part of bad decisions. What if fixing their relationship could also fix TVA's future?
Or maybe the past? What if the real solution is in the distant past. At the beginning of TVA. Maybe Loki can change the foundations and build a better one. There may be several attempts. From start to finish. Many falls and losses. Maybe this loop will last for days, weeks or years. It would be crazy, but the idea of Loki falling in love with Sylvie over and over again is actually quite romantic, no? But yes, it's actually quite terrible. Not being able to move on with unfulfilled wishes.
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Then there's Loki and his "sacrifice" at the Temporal Loom platform. It's still unclear to me here because I thought this scene will be in S02E04. But everything was different. I sincerely hope this isn't a scene to show us the next (or even final) death of Loki. This idea is already very overused. Yes, he deserves to be a hero. But they also deserve something else - to be happy. Is it a cliché? Maybe yes, but I really wish so. What if it's the point, everyone will be afraid that he will die. But what if it made him even stronger? But it would be pretty cool wouldn't it? If Loki was the real Time Keeper after all of this?
I love this show, but I care more about the characters and their future than TVA. I am a sensitive in this, who wants everyone who deserves it to have their happy ending. So let's see, we have two more episodes. Hopefully they will give us what we and they deserve. It's going to be a long wait. These weeks are longer than the two years since the first series.
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alexa-santi-author · 6 months
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I still think last night’s finale was amazing and classic television. Definitely the best episode of the whole series.
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I also have to agree with the Sylkis like @lokihiddleston that it would have been even more emotional and amazing of an episode if Loki and Sylvie had reconciled and had an openly romantic moment or two before that finale. It’s the difference between Loki being desperate to save his ex-girlfriend who doesn’t care to get back together with him, and Loki being desperate to save the woman he loves who loves him back. It would have been even more of a sacrifice for him to give that up.
Plus, quite frankly, the writers wasted Sylvie’s character this season. She spent all of her time noodling around in her little pocket universe and being mad at Loki. They never had her really face the moral implications of what she had done when she killed He Who Remains and destroyed the timelines.
They probably should have brought them back together at the end of episode three and had them work together (and be together) through episode four, which also would have made episode five more emotional and poignant.
Anyway. I loved the finale, but there were ways the season as a whole could have been much better.
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ratleyland · 6 months
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Loki: Season Two, Episode Four
(Heart of the TVA)
This episode is one of the best things Marvel Studios/Marvel Cinematic Universe has done in recent years.
The Final 10-15 mins; WTAF 😱
I'm now patiently waiting for this Friday and Episode Five.
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annoyingboing · 6 months
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somebody said loki just standing there in the background like 🧍 when sylvie was taking the piss out on mobius was a trauma response for him because loki’s used to no one listening to him anyways and being powerless and wow
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broadwayfan92 · 6 months
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Loki just keeps getting better and better. The stakes were high in this episode.
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lunarspiral1127 · 6 months
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*SPOILERS*
Wait, it's been days since the season one finale?! God, it's so hard to figure how much time passes in this show.
Oh, wow....uh, so....Dox was reached by B-15 after all. I thought she was gonna be stubborn, but nope. But, her decision wouldn't matter anyway, cause she dies along with everyone else except for Brad.
It's a pretty messed up death too, despite this being a TV-14 show. Renslayer and Miss Minutes show up at the chamber and tries to convince them to join her side, even offering them to live in the timeline if they wanted to. But, they all refuse except Brad, which I get why he took the deal. I do feel bad for him cause he was clearly traumatized hearing the screams of everyone when they were slowly getting crushed to death. Yeah, that's how Dox and the others die, which is again pretty messed up. He didn't even look until the very end, but he didn't want Renslayer to kill them all.
Come to think of it, she and Miss Minutes didn't have to kill them. She could've just left them in the chamber. They weren't gonna do anything to her then, but I guess it was to make sure they won't threaten her in the future, making it a big blow to B-15. Still, Renslayer is cold.
But, I have to say that Miss Minutes is getting even more creepier in this season. She was smiling watching those people getting slowly crushed to death. Like, what the actual hell is wrong with her?!
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buttercups-song · 7 months
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Things I really really want to see in season two of Loki but I know won’t happen for various reasons (most of them being the mouse):
Siblings reunion!!! When will the sun shine on them again disney? When ?? The fact that all the thor movies were so reliant on the siblings dynamic but now it’s completely absent boggles me. I know you can afford chris hemsworth for five minutes! Hell, give me a buff extra in a wig with their back turned! Give me a green screen background of a sunrise/sunset in norway! I’m begging! We can even pretend they talked offscreen!
Actually queer Loki. I know I know so much to ask for since we were already given… *looks at my notes* one really forced line about dating princes and princesses and… Loki’s arrest rapport in the credits (tiny and you have to pause and squint) which says that his sex is fluid. Which is completely different from saying that they’re gender-fluid and also is later retconned by making all the lokis except for sylvie men who are shocked at the notion of a ‘female version’ of them. I don’t even care about shipping (I do, I care so much, send help), just give me a flashback or even mention a past lover! I’m not picky, I know this isn’t good omens or ofmd but give me something!
Sylvie getting a self discovery arc. She spent her whole life running and hiding in apocalypses, she doesn’t need a romance she needs therapy. And I really liked the post credit scene in the first episode! She wants to try everything! She’s never had a normal life, she’s never had friends! Let her live! Let her find out who she is outside of her revenge plot!
Hi! Remember that Loki is a jotnar? Disney sure doesn’t (Flashbacks to that terrible blanket scene) Remember that this is loki post avengers, who basically just found this out and is probably still pretty messed up? Disney sure doesn’t! I mean who cares about what happened in those silly movies! How is Loki’s glamour working in the tva, where there’s no magic!? I don’t know (I mean I can make up a head canon that makes sense but you know) and you won’t either because no one cares! Please please explore Loki’s character in a show that’s meant to be about him! I’m on my knees disney! I get that this show is mostly multiverse and kang introduction but unfortunately I don’t care that much! Phase four is not that great anyway! You have Tom hiddleston on your payroll! He’s putting his whole lokussy into this show like this is an oscar worthy production! Just put him in a room with owen wilson and let him cry about his fucked up childhood and fail cringe trauma!
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