#rhys is an elucien stan

[starsreminisce]

Elain: I will do anything to be a part of the night court

Rhysand: Anything?

Elain: Yes. Anything.

Rhysand:

Elain: Any. Thing.

Rhysand: Bet.

Lucien: Why am I being summoned back to Velaris when I was just there earlier?

#rhys is an elucien stan #how it’ll start #elain x lucien #elucien #pro elucien #Rhys loves being a matchmaker hahahaha #he’s all like I have a mate so everyone should be mated

[lovemyromance]

You know what’s really funny? These so-called Gwyn stans going feral when someone says “I don’t know who Gwyn is” and claiming we’re all toxic and misogynistic for that alone.

Like, no, babe. People genuinely do not even remember who she is, and it has nothing to do with a certain bat boy.

When I was first reading ACOTAR at the behest of my friend, I did cheat a little and look up fan art before I finished the series. I saw Gwynriel fan art and asked my friend who is this redhead, and she literally said “honestly, no idea.” And I can assure you, my friend is way, WAY too busy to have a secret agenda against a fictional character so she genuinely forgot all about Gwyn. And before you even start, she doesn’t even ship Elriel, she hardcore ships Elucien.

Gwyn is very much a side character. Her purpose was to be Nesta’s friend, to be a part of Nesta’s healing journey. Nobody really remembers her outside of that.

ACOTAR is not TOG, nor is it CC. People keep bringing up Lidia from CC, and are forgetting CC has 3 books, and Lidia showed up as a main character in book 2. She got a POV in HOFAS, and the way CC was set up was always multiple POVs of many, many characters.

ACOTAR is not like that. We follow Feyre for 3 books (with some Rhys POV here and there), then get one novella of multiple POVs, then we follow dual POV of Nesta & Cassian.

Where in that story format do you see space for a background character to get an entire book?

Gwyn literally did not exist until book 5/7(?) of ACOTAR. She has not had a POV. She has not been mentioned outside of Nesta. She has no story, no plot, outside of Nesta. She does not exist outside of Nesta.

Nobody has an issue with Gwyn. Nobody is “anti-Gwyn”. Nobody’s out to get her.

She has like 4 pages of page presence in ACOSF. Do you know how long this book is and how many things happen? Why of all things would I fixate on a minor character in the background?

That’s like if I finished reading ACOTAR and was like, “omg but tell me about Alis, I must have an entire book about her journey and trauma. She must be SO important.” (Even Alis, btw had more presence in the series than Gwyn)

It’s not a personal thing at all. I don’t hate Gwyn. I don’t have any opinions on her, really.

How can we hate a character we don’t even care to remember in the first place?

#elriel #elain archeron #elain x azriel #azriel

[yazthebookish]

I love how the bonus chapters trigger the most drama in the fandom ☕️ 🫖

Bryce, Nesta, and Azriel chapter:

Gwynriels/Eluciens X Elriels

Ember and Randall Chapter:

Rhys stans X Nesta stans

#hofas #hofas spoilers #janet and Bloomsbury know what they're doing #this fandom never takes a break from fighting #I mean we're all waiting for new info to argue about after two years #so people have plenty of energy to burn

[acourtofthought]

"wicked slashing scar"

"brutal scar"

"brutally scarred face"

"cruel beauty"

You know, SJM made no mention of Elain's beauty in ACOTAR outside of her desire to still look lovely despite poverty.

It wasn't until ACOMAF, once she realized Elucien would be mates, that she noted Elain's looks were a defining feature of hers.

And by then, we had already been made aware that Lucien had some insecurities regarding his scar:

While Elain and Lucien are extremely similar in personality and personal beliefs, the most important reasons for making them mates, I kind of love that SJM took her most scarred character (because a fake eye and scar running down the length of his face, not to mention the scars he has from when Tamlin was forced to whip him, are pretty intense and the first thing someone notices when looking at Lucien) and paired him with someone whose beauty was first described as "soft and lovely" then "devastatingly beautiful" after being made.

Something about that contrast (her soft and lovely beauty with his cruel beauty) gives me the feels.

It's not a contrast that forces them to give up the parts of themselves that matter, for example, Elain being troubled by cruelty but ending up with someone who is extremely violent, but a contrast that shows how appearances are only skin deep.

Personally I really dislike the idea of "the prettiest" Archeron with the "prettiest" batboy because it seems extremely shallow. Like someone expecting that two people must be together because they were rated "most attractive guy and girl" in the yearbook (is that still a thing? It used to be) and that's the vibe I get when Feyre thinks of how handsome Elain and Az would be. The only reasons she could picture them together was because they'd share "peace and quiet" and both possessed certain physical attributes. That is definitely not enough to build a relationship on.

Make no mistake, Lucien is handsome but his is not that of an air brushed perfection and there will always be a stigma that comes along with those who first meet him. Curiosity, shock, maybe a bit of fear.

And it's something I'm sure he's already dealt with many times over, cataloging the very many reactions others have the moment they set eyes on him, their constant stares.

Jesminda knew Lucien before Amarantha forever scarred him and while I think the majority of his closing himself off from emotional connection had to do with loyalty to her, I do think we'll find that he doubts whether anyone else could even want to be with him, knowing that he's basically the only fae around with facial imperfections. Many characters have voiced how attractive he is however once an insecurity takes root, it's difficult to weed out.

Sure Ianthe wanted him but that was for own self serving purposes, a way to get ahead.

So if Elucien were to end up together, it would be powerful for them both.

Everyone is under the impression that Elain is a bit shallow and is only concerned with looking her best, Nesta even remembers her mother saying Elain would marry for "beauty" and love and that she did not dream beyond her "pretty dresses".

So falling for a male who, while truly handsome, has some very major imperfections (which make him all the more perfect to us Lucien stans), would show that Elain cares more about what is inside. Because Lucien is pretty perfect in that department.

And with Lucien's insecurities about his face, imagine what it would feel like to know that the most beautiful female he'd ever seen was the one who chose him regardless of his perceived "imperfections". That she wanted him just as he was.

Not that that would be his reason for wanting her, just as it wasn't Rhys's reason for wanting Feyre. However it would definitely be the cherry on top of it all.

❤️

#elucien #pro elucien #elucien supremacy #anti e/riel #elucien bond #lucien vanserra #pro lucien vanserra

[stargirlie25]

i might be a Lucien Stan but unlike some people I don't want to see Azriel die for the sake of my ship.

Like y'all are vassiens but also say Lucien would lose in a blood duel?

Losing in a blood duel literally means dying.

The debate is so silly on who would win. They are both powerful. However Lucien has more advantages.

He has light and fire (both things that defeat shadows)

He broke free of the king of hyberns MAGIC leashes while the HL who killed Amarantha and Rhysands dad with ease remained leashed.

He is heir to the daycourt. Becoming HL means you have the HL beast form.

Helions beast form:

Amethyst light swirled around him. Helion growled at Rhys—an order

Leaving the commander and Helion Spell-Cleaver to go head-to-head. Spell to spell.

If Rhys was a flying terror crafted from shadows and cold moonlight, Helion was his daytime equivalent.

So what we know is that Helion using the high lord beast form, is equal to Rhysand. We know he ORDERS Rhysand in that form. ALSO the spells? In acosf Helion says he knows spells that even Rhysand does not. Lucien can easily learn from helion and use all kinds of spells.

No because siphons can never defeat a high lords beast form. The power the high lord already has is intensified in that form. Bigger. Stronger. More powerful.

LAST OF ALL the difference between Az and Lucien is that Lucien would actually be fighting for his mate. Its Lucien who feels the anger with the bond towards his opponent. It is Lucien who carries the rare feelings of the mating bond.

Anyways all I'm saying is Lucien would obviously win. Although he says in Acowar that he would ask Rhysand advice on how he survived knowing his mate loved someone else. He would sit back and watch if Elain fell in love with Azriel. Lucien would do nothing to stop it. He would just mourn after her for the rest of his life.

E/riels know Lucien is patient with Elain. They know he gives her space. So they think Lucien would be the one to entertain the blood duel. No. he. would. not. Why don't e/riels see that Azriel is the only one who entertained the blood duel?

I am fully aware lots of e/riels and gwynriels give the personality of Lucien to Az but now e/riels are giving his cons to Lucien.

They think LUCIEN has one sided beef with Az.

They think LUCIEN wants to kill Azriel.

They think LUCIEN wants to kill a man over a woman who said she is not a child to be FOUGHT for.

They think LUCIEN arrogantly states that he can defeat another man.

They think LUCIEN views Elain as a precious small docile flower.

This is seriously not an Anti Azriel post. Let's just say Azriel is not in his element when in regards to Elain AND Mor. He has the same negative reactions to both of them.

Coming back to the point of my post

Lucien would defeat Azriel

Lucien would not entertain the blood duel

Lucien would mourn Elain forever

Azriel is the only one who has entertained the blood duel.

Elucien>Smelriel

#pro Lucien vanserra #pro elucien #pro lucien #pro elain archeron #Elain archeron #Lucien vanserra #Lucien x elain #Elain x lucien #lulu is the solulu #anti e/riel #pro elain #anti smelriel

[whitedemon-ladydeath]

New Blog Bio:

I do not tolerate pro-israel, zionist shit anywhere near me. I don't tolerate anti semitism anywhere near me. I will not tolerate anyone who is upholding or supporting the ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinians. if you do, BLOCK ME

if ur gonna follow or interact with my blog pls realize I am very critical towards most acotar content, especially if it involves Rhysand. I am more-or-less a Rhys Anti until further notice and I am hard-core side eye towards Cassian until Rhysand is held accountable for being a shitty person for more than like *checks notes* two pages

I'm not a Tamlin Stan, nor do I particularly care for him, but I have been engaging in thoughtful criticisms of his actions often which involves character analysis so you v likely will see that pop up every now and then

likely you will find:

anti Rhysand

anti/critical IC

anti/critical/pro feyre

anti/critical Cassian posts, maybe MAYBE pro cassian

critical/pro Azriel- I'm pretty neutral towards him

anti/critical/pro elain content [often. w/o being tied to a ship]

pro Lucien

pro Nesta

pro Eris

most pro tog characters

anti/critical chaol (he just annoys me with his high horse)

Pro Ships:

Azriel/Eris/Nesta

Tamsand (lmao)

Feylin [book one]

Elucien

Nesta/Lucien [idk the ship name]

Feycien

Feyssian

Mesta

most tog ships

aelin/manon

malide

chaorian

Anti Ships:

Nessian

Feysand

Elriel

lysaedion

chaolena

My Specific ACoTaR Meta:

SJM + Eugenics + Ableism in her Writing

CoN + the Eternal Perpetuation of Abuse and Toxicity

SJM and the vilification of Ireland in acotar and tog

SJM could have had the HLs give their power to resurrect her wo Rhys forcing them if she played by Faerie Rules

Rhys physically assaulted Nesta

Class Warfare + Class Traitors in ACoTaR

Rhysand + Morally Grey Behavior

My Meta / Aus / etc Posts

tag -> #justice for poor cassian and poor archeron Sisters

tag -> #glasses!elain propaganda

tag -> #slavic archeron Sisters au

tag -> #fix cassians characterization challenge

tag -> #scottish!tamlin

tag -> #welsh!rhys

tag -> #disabled!Cassian

tag -> #my acotar world building

tag -> #appropriated faerie lore in acotar

tag -> #hybern Ireland

tag -> #white feminism in acotar

tag -> #eugenics in acotar

tag -> #eugenics in tog

tag -> #classism in acotar

Other Acotar Meta:

Mor SA'd Cassian

tag -> #acotar tiktok meta

tag -> #acotar meta

tag -> #racism in acotar

tag -> #Nesta is not an alcoholic send tweet

Other:

A Synopsis of The Ballad of Tam Lin

If You're interested:

Mission to have my own Bookstore:

tag -> #mission: cheshire books

TVDverse:

leave season 1 Caroline ALONE. she deserved better 🥺

Damon and Rose's Friendship that is ALL

Esther is Mikaels victim too stop this irritating 'Esther is the real villain'

tag -> #can we stop the overt vilification of Esther Mikaelson and the UwUization of Mikael Mikaelson

tag -> #tvd tiktok edits

tag -> #Damon Salvatore

tag -> #Caroline Forbes

tag -> #Vincent Griffith

tag -> #Shelia Bennett

Shadow and Bone / Six of Crows:

The Darkling Meta

tag -> #David kostyk

Once Upon a Time

tag -> #cora mills

The Hunger Games / A Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes:

Coriolanus Snow Meta

tag -> #thg tiktok meta

tag -> #coriolanus snow

tag -> #reaper ash

tag -> #wovey

Percy Jackson

tag -> #nico di Angelo

completely irrelevant:

tag -> #rural iowa

more to be added!

#acotar #a court of thorns and roses #throne of glass #nesta archeron #anti rhysand #sjm critical #elain archeron #feyre archeron #lucien vanserra #anti cassian #aelin ashryver #aelin critical #rowan whitethorn #Rowan critical #manon blackbeak #manorian #malide #anti chaol #dorian havilliard

[nikethestatue]

this fandom might actually be the worst one I’ve seen!! I flip through a bunch of diff ship accounts bc listen, ship whoever you want, personally I am partial to elucien but I can admit there’s a lot of evidence for other ships as well. I like seeing all art for ALL the ships!! But then today I see a post about how we need Gwyn’s book because she is a victim of SA and it would be great to read a book about her healing journey.

Idk maybe it’s just me but I get annoyed when someone is always reduced down to their SA so I pointed out that Rhys & Lucien also had SA trauma and there has been no healing journey for them?? How are we going to fill an entire book for Gwyn?? Like, Sarah doesn’t seem to delve too much into healing journeys from SA (in ACOTAR at least 🤷🏻‍♀️ idk about other series) and tends to use it as a plot point to create a traumatic background character. It’s something that greatly annoys me tbh

And then I got yelled at?? And told to read the books again?? Like yes, I am a new reader, and yes it was a Gwyn Stan account (didn’t know that at the time, I literally just replied for the first time from a post I saw on my for you feed) - but nothing I said was anti-Gwyn (how could it be- she’s one of my favs too???) ?? I vaguely know there’s whatever ship war going on but I didn’t even comment on a ship post and I didn’t mention any other names/ships so I was genuinely confused about why I got yelled at on a post that only mentioned Gwyn.

All I said was I doubt Sarah is going to write an entire book about Gwyn’s healing journey ? It wasn’t even ship related so why did I get so much hate?? no wonder this fandom is filled with such toxicity, nobody new is allowed to join even casually unless they earn their masters degree of 16000 pages of analysis (apparently reading the books isnt enough?) and so it’s just filled with the same bitter people since whenever these books came out

Maybe bc I acknowledged I didn’t see her as a main character - because she’s not? She’s very much a side character but who cares? She’s still a favorite of mine? Two things can be possible at once, people!!!

Anyways, tldr I got a slap on the wrist and told I don’t know SJM if I think Gwyn is a side character and I’m just like ok I didn’t say she couldn’t be one later but based on the one book she is in… she is a side character?

I hate this mf fandom I should’ve stayed out of it. What did I even do?? I even apologized if anything I said about Rhys or Lucien was untrue?? And now I’m just annoyed because I should still be able to debate theories about my favorite books with people even if I don’t spend 24/7 reading PowerPoints on ship wars??

They got mad because you were right. That's it.

SJM doesn't write post-SA healing journeys. Again, you were right.

We've had male and female characters who were SAed, in TOG, Lysandra and Fenrys come to mind, in ACOTAR it's Rhys and Lucien and Gwyn, in CC it was Lidia (similar situation as Rhys/Lucien).

These aren't books for deep exploration of post-SA healing. I am sorry. This is an incredibly tough subject, without a singular answer. SO anything she'd do, wouldn't be taken well. Some will say 'too quick!' others will say 'not quick enough!' and everyone will have an opinion. The only reason Nesta got an extended healing (and not from SA) was because SJM used the same methods she used for her own issues. Working out, meditation, being with friends, balancing the physical and the mental, relying on her SO. Beyond that, all of SJMs 'healing' is training and being in love. Or nothing at all.

Gwynriels cant accept the fact that Gwyn is a secondary character. She is not more important than Emerie, or Mor, or anyone else, who's had terrible trauma. Her main was Nesta. Nesta's healed and Gwyn is secondary to Nesta. Gwyn's healing journey is over. She because stronger mentally and physically, she trained, she reached and conquered her 'mountain'. and that is all she needed to do.

They dont want to understand and accept that no one is interested in an 800 page of Gwyn's post-SA healing journey. Even they aren't. That's the truth. They want her with Azriel. Getting it on, having sex, being mated. They don't want to read any 'healing journey'. They want her going on missions, swinging her sword, being a badass, being with Azriel, having Gwynriel sex and having a normal fantasy heroine book. it's all performative. They just want Gwynriel. Is all.

[intairnwetrust]

I have exactly one problem with Elucien

Elain is umcomfortable around Lucien. That it. But that one issues is a very big issues for me.

I am an Elain stan first.

No Elucien shipper has the right to call themselves pro Elain. Like excuse me the audacity to say you are pro Elain and then wanting her with a man she is uncomfortable with.

As long Elain is umcomfortable around Lucien this ship is a big no for me.

Also don't come with your favorite argument 'Feysand and Nessian also didn't like each other at the beginning either' To dislike a person and feeling uncomfortable around a person are two different things.

First of all Nesta even said herself that she never hated Cassian and Rhys said to Feyre that she never really hated him. Okay this is a point that can be addressed. After all, Feyre didn't say it herself right? But you know what the thing is Rhys was the villian in the first book. It's only logical that Feyre didn't trust him and didn't like him.

Rhys played the villian but what did Lucien do? Nothing. Lucien is good.

Was there ever a person you just didn't like and someone you just felt uncomfortable around?

When you don't like a person you are annoyed when you see them or hear their voice or what not but when you are umcomfortable around a person you just want to avoid them. That particularly person don't even have to be a bad person the vibe, the energy just don't click.

Nothing is written in stone. Sjm still can make Elucien work. When Elain wants Lucien I will want Lucien for her but with the current stand this ship is a big no for me and no Elucien shipper has the right to call themselves pro Elain with the current stand.

#I needed to rent #You know sometimes i'm curious what Eluciens have to say and read some of their post bc in thw end Elain and Lucien are still mates and hav #the mating bond as a base but the audacity i see lately #You know the Eluciens who are saying they only care about Lucien are more likeable to me than those who say they are 'pro Elain' #at least they are honest 💀 #pro elain archeron #pro elain's choice #anti el*cien #anti eluciens

[freyjas-musings]

I don’t get why people say elains book is safe the next ? Sjm said she will write for all sisters but she never said they will come out right after the other? And for why she didn’t said yes immediately after asked if we know elains love interest and said it would be lucien, well why would she? What author already tells people what is going to happen in their book before it even comes out?

Its not obvious to me that elain will be next because in the last acotar book their was more of azriel and gwyn then elain?

Nesta and cassian had a bonas chapter and they got their book, azriel has a bonas with both elain and gwyn but who in their right mind still thinks az an elain are “soulmates” after that bonus chapter. The whole time i got the ick while reading how he behaved will elain it was just fuckboh behavior. Rhys is his brother i think id azriel would be sooo in love with elain he would find a way for them? But azriel couldn’t even say anything, he didn’t think about a future with her, just where he pleasures himself to the thought of her and who does that? Fuckboys who don’t want a future with someone sorry but i wouldn’t want to date someone who thinks like that about me.

Sorry for rambling but i just had to get that of my chest 😂😂

Elain hasn't been set up enough to have the next book , I am not sure what popular stuff people are on these days but it must be potent in order to come to that hallucination but its really ok , it's not the worst assumption or theory out there. People can assume whatever they want and have fun while it lasts .

Personally I believe it will be Azriel's book. I often have people trying to pull me into debates but its just obvious its silly to argue about it.

Also, I do condemn Azriels thoughts on Elain in the bonus , it's never ok to treat anyone like an object you feel entitled to. It's still beyond me how someone can read that bonus and think it's romantic, reading badly written books and inexperience in life would explain it though. Clearly they both barely know each other and its not love . As an Azriel stan I would like Az to find that epic , intense , all consuming love that doesn't need to be hidden , for a guy that was locked away as a child for 11 years like some dirty secret it would just not make sense that he has to be a part of " forbidden romance " its just cruel.

Also, I think this fandom takes it too far with the "Fuckboy" image of Az , he is desparate and lonely , he also has a whole lot of unresolved trauma that has left him feeling rejected all his life, Elain lead him on , made her interest obvious so he would obviously think it was worth a shot. I don't think Az even knows what a healthy relationship looks like and Elain clearly has her own set of issues she is dealing with , they are at the best each others rebound.

What makes Az look worse is the fact that SJM changed from a Moriel endgame in ACOMAF which compromises the way the characters look in ACOWAR and I mean both Az and Mor. I am hoping after his book some of that will be amended.

Azriel is a grey character but he certainly is a lot more interesting compared to some other characters from the series who often seem very one dimensional and lack complexity and depth and seriously lack appeal . I truly believe Azriels story will the most intriguing, complex and satisfying journeys and I look forward to it .

And as for the whole Elain book or Az book? As long as people realise it's one OR the other who cares ? We will eventually get both the Gwynriel and Elucien book 🤗

#gwynriel #gwyneth berdara #pro gwynriel #gwyn acosf #acotar #gwyn x azriel #azriel shadowsinger #azriel #post acosf #acosf theory #elucien

[starsreminisce]

I always find it interesting that E/riels overlook how violent Azriel was towards Elain’s mate. I get that many people don’t think the bond is real (tho I don’t know why you’d think so), we know from canon that the bond is a real thing and it’s sacred and special to the fae. So why on Earth are people so into the blood duel? If Azriel actually killed Lucien, they would hurt Elain too. Even if she didn’t want the bond, it is there and it makes her whole (it’s described this way by other SJM characters anyway). So Azriel having no indication that killing Lucien would hurt Elain is a major red flag for me. It’s arrogant and inconsiderate, not to mention that even if Elain decides to reject Lucien, she might still not want to have him murdered… to me that whole blood duel suggestion seems nuts.

Feyre showed us what it's like when her bond is severed, and it was so devastating that she pleaded with Tamlin - yes, Tamlin - to help bring Rhys back to life. It made her rethink her plans of having kids earlier than she had intended. The thought of losing Cassian prompted Nesta to take action.

Elain seems to feel things more deeply than her sisters. That's why they're concerned about her going to Hewn City and why she ended up vomiting from sheer terror during the cauldron's blast.

This all ties back to some folks being more anti-Lucien than actual fans of Elain. Because no genuine fan of Elain would be thrilled about Azriel wanting to duel Lucien, especially if they understood the impact it could have on her based on past experiences. It's even more amusing because many E/riels are eagerly anticipating Elain's book, and I wonder if they'll maintain that energy when they find out that Lucien is the second person involved.

For my part, I think Lucien is more of a defender than a fighter. He might not actively fight for her, but he'll certainly stand up for her and himself. He might even consider Az not worth the trouble. However, the fact that he's stood his ground against his father, Tamlin, Rhys, the King of Hybern, and Amarantha when provoked suggests that if Az fucks around with Lucien, he'll find out.

I've heard some Lucien stans interpret Rhys's eyes flickering when he agreed with Az as a sign that he's lying and trying not to encourage Az to challenge Lucien. Rhys knows Lucien's true parentage and how Lucien's powers perfectly counter Az's. TOG shows us what happens when fire clashes with shadows. Who knows, maybe just one word from Lucien would be enough.

Plus, even Nesta is concerned about what might happen to Elain if something were to happen to Lucien because of how it would affect her. While the mating bond is considered sacred and unbreakable, it seems that not everyone sees it the same way for Elucien.

#elain x lucien #elucien #antie/riel #antielriel #pro elucien #pro lucien #lucien vanserra #elain archeron #pro elain archeron

[itselriel]

Elucien’s wanting everything for Lucien at the expense of Elain and not even considering how she feel about Azriel is so funny because imagine if Nesta and Lucien were a couple like Sarah intended and Nesta just left Lucien for Eris like Lucien stans would probably be singing a different tune because Nesta is “strong willed” and it’d be “justified” but Elain is just a “push over” and “needs to give ~poor little baby Lulu~ a chance” practically spelling out their misogyny and lack of empathy for softer women who people please to spare themselves confrontation for the whole fandom to see like if you take the basic Elriel + Elucien “throuple/love triangle” thing or whatever people call it and apply it to someone else it’s so obvious they just don’t like Elain but won’t say it, just ship Vassian and give those two happiness that’s not at the expense of another characters comfortability same sentiment applies to Gwynriel- ships at the expense of another character (usually females) comfortability is just plain gross like yes it’s a crackship, yes they’re fictional, yes it’s not real it’s about the way some people in this fandom impose they’re views on not giving women a choice or a voice and heaven forbid, they have an opinion (coincidentally those people are usually anti Feysand and the pregnancy trope and people love to argue if that was Feyre and Rhys’s choice but I digress, I guess forcing women into chairs they didn’t make for themselves only applies to fmc’s you already hate- furthering my point)

I agree with everything you said, however I do believe that if Nesta ignored Lucien for Eris, Lucien stans would most definitely hate Nesta. Have you seen how intense they are about “poor Lulu 🥺”. It’s obnoxious.

#pro elriel #pro elain #anti elucien #anti gwynriel

[acourtofthought]

I’ve seen some buzz about an old SJM interview where she says that she never writes wedding scenes & finds them cringey, but is planning on writing one for one of the upcoming spin-off books.

Allegedly, this interview took place in 2017 after ACOWAR, and around the time SJM was conducting the ACOFAS interview (where she said that she only had two spin-offs planned: one was Nesta and Cassian’s and the other was a surprise - but in the same interview, she said she was planning Elain’s book).

Given that SJM didn’t write a wedding scene in Nesta’s book, this must be Elain’s book that will get the wedding scene.

Combined with SJM posting “Mine,” I think Elriel may be endgame.

Because SJM didn’t write a wedding scene for Nesta and Feyre, but if she’s going to write one for Elain (when she usually hates them)… it must be important to include and really key to her romance.

And if a wedding is so important… it makes me think that Elain will reject the bond, and marry Azriel, taking him as her husband.

(Also the quote about: “Elain will wed for love and beauty)

I do remember SJM saying she thinks wedding scenes are cheesy therefore she does not include them in the book though she writes them for herself but I don't remember her promising to include one in one of the next acotar.

As far as e/riel.

A male not planning a future with Elain beyond his sexual fantasies is not thinking about a wedding.

He also confirmed he is upset over not getting a mating bond with the "the third" meaning he doesn't want just a bride.

If Az wanted to be with Elain without one, nothing is stopping him but instead he avoided her for a year because he can't handle the scent of her mating bond. A mating bond that will always exist even if she rejects it. So.... How is Az going to marry someone he can't stand being around because of her scent?

Nesta's mother wanted her to marry a prince but Nesta broke free of the box her mother placed her in and married an untitled general and became a warrior, something she confirms her mother would have thrown a fit over but it was a better life for Nesta herself.

Elain's mother said she'd marry for love and beauty if her looks held because her mother felt that's all she had to offer. That she was not intelligent enough to marry for power or influence.

I hope to hell if someone stans Elain they are not basing Elain's future off her mother's shallow opinion of Elain. Not that we don't want to these characters to find love but Elain ending up with one of the most influential politicial players of their world who is also set to be High Lord? That would be Elain breaking free of her mother's mold.

In canon there is zero evidence Elain wants a future with Az.

There's also no canon evidence Elain loves Az or finds his looks anything special compared to all attractive fae.

Nesta thinks Az is the prettiest of the three and Feyre thinks he's more classically beautiful than Cassian but we have no confirmation of what Elain thinks of him. A female can want to hook up with a guy without wanting more and without thinking he's the most gorgeous thing she's seen. I mean Feyre hooked up with Tamlin though she found Rhys the most beautiful male she'd ever seen. To Elain, Az could be an average cute fae who she's using as a temporary distraction.

And the only couples who have used the phrase "mine" are mated pairs in reference to one another.

If you're going off of what SJM said in an old interviews than why not this one where she confirmed Nessian and Elucien and so far Nessian came true?

Or this one:

Or how she said Lucien had always been one of her favorite characters therefore it's odd to think she'd doom him to a broken bond?

Also, why couldn't Elain and Lucien have a wedding? He's the one living in the human lands learning human customs. He's the one who met her father. We know he'd let Elain have whatever kind of ceremony she wanted.

#anti e/riel #elucien

[stargirlie25]

after months I finally went back to Acotar tiktok and it was just as bad.

Elain haters are getting tiring

Lucien haters didn't even read the series

people say nesta ships elriel 💀

Rhys VS nesta is everywhere

Gwyn,emerie VS feyre,elain is the stupidest thing ever

E/riels are always commenting on pro elucien and gwynriel posts even though nothing is anti elrie about it.

E/riels are suddenly now uplifiting Emerie to make us Gwyn stans and Gwynriel stans feel bad even though we know they don't gaf about emerie.

The older siblings of acotar Fandom are saying how they could never be like Nesta

The Gwyn hate is disgusting per usual

Im glad to see there are more gwynriels and eluciens or maybe that's just my fyp.

I love the trend where u call e/riel opposites attracts and Gwynriel, like calls to like

But those videos aren't even anti elriel. It usually says "or" so u pick ur vibe.

Elriels are saying elriel is both and they don't get how gwynriel is like calls to like proving they are a bunch of clowns

The same exact 3 elriel creators are annoying the he'll out of me.

The elriel who thinks she can be Elain makes me want to kill myself.

E/riels being unoriginal with the r@pe threats

Generally the most toxic Fandom to exist.

Dw I love my gwnriel/eluciens

Edit: now the Fandom is calling the love of Sarah's life ,father to her son an abuser.

Bc Sarah had a c section? Many of my family has had emergency c-sections (including my mom)and their husband's are such supportive people. I get hating characters but why are we attacking their relationship based on feysand? Many people love feysand and view them as one of the best couple. Your opinion is not a universal opinion and calling your abusive josh take a theory is fucked up.

This is generally the worst Fandom ever I'm so sorry.

#acotar fandom #ACOTAR #fandom fuckery #Worst Fandom to exist

[captain-of-the-gwynriel-ship]

im new to the acotar fandom but my goodness my heart just melts for gwynriel ❤️ ive been reading some posts on gwynriel/elriel and heres a couple of observations:

1. az for sure lusted over elain, but i dont think he has real feelings for her. or if he thinks he does, its not genuine. it felt like he sort of force himself or lied to himself to have those feelings bc of the fact that az mentioned the 3 brothers and 3 sisters pairing to rhys when he told az off for kissing elain.

2. if sjm straight up said that lucien and elain are mates, that means someone is az’s mate. she may or may not be introduced in the book yet (hoping its gwyn). we all know how much az longs for a mate. once his mating bond snaps to whoever it is, do we really think he would reject or abandon his mate? for elain? this is a guy whos practically desperate for a mate. i dont think he would just choose elain over her bc he lusted over elain for a little while.

Sorry I have left this in my ask box for a million years!!!

yay! I am glad that you love gwynriel too <3 they are such a unique couple and encompass a lot of traits from my favorite SJM couples to create their own dynamic and I cannot wait to see it play out in canon <3

Azriel is a tragic and extremely damaged character. He was denied the love of his mother as a child, and was treated like trash by his family. He never knew love and comfort in his formative years, and all these years later he has never had a healthy attachment to a female. He developed a savior complex at a young age. What people don't realize is that as a coping mechanism for this lack of healthy attachments as a child, he has only ever fallen for women who are emotionally unavailable and he subconsciously knows will never love him back. He fell for Mor because she was miserable in her life and was everything that he couldn't be: warm, bright, and capable of love. He saved her in a way that he couldn't save his mother and took those attachment issues and latched them on to Mor. I think Az knows that she is bi, but subconsciously tortured himself with the idea of this unrequited love because if he lets go of it, he has to finally come to terms with his childhood trauma.

Mor shows time and time again that she can take care of herself, and when she slept with Helion I think that it snapped something in Az that was just a drop of water in the waterfall of his emotional turmoil. Instead of dealing with his trauma and emotions, he finds his next target to transfer his attachment and self loathing issues to and that is Elain. Azriel holds the mating bond in high regards- to the point that he is so worked up about Elain's that he thinks the Cauldron might be wrong. Because he believes that the only way for another female to return his love is for them to be bound to him (which is incredibly unhealthy). However, the scent of the mating bond between Elain and Lucien bothers him so much because he KNOWS that Elain could never be his the way he wants a female to be- but it is easier to keep in the same 500+ year torture pattern than to break the mold. Being with Elain would only further his emotional attachment issues because Elain will always be attached to Lucien in some way- even if she breaks the bond. She will never be fully his like he so desperately craves.

We all know by now that SJM is a fated mates writer and is someone is mated to another, she takes the time to craft the couple's personalities to fit with each other without being the same. Lucien is one of her favorite characters- for him not to end up with his mate that she has spent years talking about them as a couple together and how they will heal is shortsighted on a lot of the anti-elucien stans.

This is the beauty of Gwynriel. Az saved gwyn, but did not form a romantic attachment to her. Then, unlike with any other female, he trains her in a group and privately. Az respects Gwyn as a person first, not as an unattainable love. He trusts her to get herself out of situations (look at the blood rite) and pushes her to do more. His shadows, which are a physical manifestation of his inner darkness and his soul, dance and play and are intrigued by Gwyn in a way they have never been with anyone else. Gwyn and Az will be the ACOTAR friends to lovers couple. They will build a foundation of friendship that blurs into being in love with each other. For Az to truly get over his trauma, he and gwyn need to choose each other for who they are without a bond, and then a bond can snap later. He needs to have someone love him without any strings attached.

(Feysand is enemies to lovers, Nessian is grumpy x sunshine, Gwynriel is friends to loves, Elucien is reluctant soulmates and second chance romance, and Emorie is chosen soulmates).

In the bonus chapter, SJM clearly puts the nail in the coffin for E/riel with her use of negative prose and Rhys (who in her mind can do no wrong) warning Azriel off of Elain. Then SJM shows us the interaction with gwyn and has positive prose and connotations noted in their interactions, that he feels at peace and something settles within him. She basically just threw in a million different phrases that she used previously for mated couples to tell us "LOOK HERE. LOOK AT THIS." And then she said in an interview that it would be obvious who the next book was about? I am sold its an Azriel book. I don't think elain has hit her rock bottom yet. In ACOMAF, Feyre hits her rock bottom, in ACOSF, Nesta is at hers, in HOF Celeana is at hers, and at the end of ACOSF Azriel is at his. If she set up the next book to truly be Elain's then she would have added elain into ACOSF and made her a more prominent character. Instead, the next two who have the most page time other than Nesta and Cassian are Azriel and Gwyn. Which mirrors what she did for Nessian in ACOWAR. Every pattern says that the next book is the gwynriel book.

Sorry that this kinda turned into a rant lol

#thanks for letting me word vomit #i have intense thoughts #gwynriel #gwynriel supremacy #elucien #anti e*riel #anti e/riel #azriel is a deeply scarred character

[ofduskanddreams]

HO HO HO!

Santa's here again!

This time I'm gonna ask you what are your favorite tropes? And which character apart from Azris you want to see about!

Have a nice October!

Hi Santa!

Favorite tropes? That's a hard one.

Definitely enemies/rivals to lovers, rather obvious given my love for Azris lol

Does slow burn count as a trope? Well, I'll pretend that it does for this. I love seeing characters and relationships change and develop because it makes things feel more emotionally realistic for me (the converse of this is that insta-love is NOT for me, I just can't make myself buy into it.)

ANGST WITH A HAPPY ENDING. Yeah, this is an ao3 tag not necessarily a trope, but it's my favorite kind of story to read. I don't love happily-ever-afters, I prefer happily-for-nows and open yet positive resolutions. To me, there's nothing better than being emotionally pummeled into the ground before being brought up into the sunshine at the very end.

Again, not exactly a trope but I prefer to take my porn with a hefty dose of feelings (plot optional.) Whether there's smut at all is totally up to you, Santa, I just thought I'd mention this in case :)

I also enjoy some hurt/comfort, Azriel and Eris both being Alphaholes, longing & pining but only in the angsty sense not the sappy sense? If anything I say doesn't make sense let me know and I will happily clarify.

As for the second question, I really love to read a strong and supportive friendship between Azriel, Cassian, and Rhys. They have their ups and downs but they've been with each other through so much. I'm a big Archeron sisters stan. Lucien is another of my favorite characters (Elucien is also one of my fav acotar ships,) and I love fics where he and Eris grow closer again. Don't feel like you have to include any or all of these if it doesn't fit with the story, though. I know I'll love whatever you write, Santa <3

I hope you have a wonderful rest of your week 💕

#acotar gift exchange #azris #my asks #you asked me two questions and I give you a mini essay lol #i hope you don't mind

[lovemyromance]

you post about a lot of acotar stuff especially couples and ships, does people shipping mor and emerie give you the same ick as elain x lucien and az x gwyn, like it’s totally random not text based and power imbalanced like sometimes the people who say that are fine like it’s a crackship and cute and that’s fine but some, coincidentally, elucien’s or gwynriel’s, ship more and emerie, even eris and nesta like they’re trying to ship off all the valkyries to the ic except nesta and it’s just a weird thing to blog about and it don’t surprise me some of them were tamlin and beron even amarantha apologists i think most of them have a ‘post, delete, post, delete’ mentality so they can’t be called out but they definitely posted it just because you deleted it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist and it’s just weird side of this fandom lol i just wanted to know your thoughts because i don’t think i’m the only one who’s weirded out by that stuff

lol I'm weirded out by a lot of stuff in this fandom. I don't engage because I'm not interested in starting fights with people, and frankly don't have the time for that.

It just confuses me, more so, because why are people reading these books if they're so critical of the way SJM writes? They're acting like this is real life and not a fictional story.

I haven't seen any Beron or Amarantha apologists but thank god because I would have to go scream into my pillow if I saw that 😭

I actually was never a huge Tamlin hater, yes what he did was a mistake, but I didn't see it as pure "evil" like some people in the fandom. I don't understand the apologists that insist on a redemption arc though. Like I thought him giving Rhys a kernel of life was his redemption? Idk.

What I really really don't understand is IC/Rhys hatred. Like what the fuck? Where did this come from? Is this coming from just ACOSF and insane Nesta stans?

I love Nesta, don't get me wrong. She's the character I relate to the most. The second I learned in ACOTAR that she went after Feyre to the wall, I knew they could never make me hate her. But you can like Nesta & Rhys at the same time? That's actually the intention of the books? For you to like multiple characters?

It's honestly so crazy how people have gone absolutely insane in this fandom, taking sides like it's real life or something.

As for the shipping thing - people can ship whoever they want but they have to remember it's just that. It's not canon just because they want it to be. It's insane how many people are shipping Mor x Emerie, Jurian x Vassa, Lucien x Vassa, Gwyn x Azriel, Eris x Nesta - when we know jack shit about them. And it's not just that they're shipping them, it's trying to claim this is what is going to happen for sure.

It's crazy. I don't understand why people are reading these books if they just are inventing different versions of the plot and storyline and characters in their heads.

#acotar