#thinking many thoughts about roy

[brookheimer]

shiv was not being altruistic nor intellectually self-interested when she voted against kendall. that was pure raw visceral desperation to maintain some semblance of dignity that she felt kendall being ceo would shred her of. sometimes people do not act in other people’s best interests or their own best interests. sometimes people do the wrong thing for the wrong reasons just because it feels like the right, the only, thing to do. shiv could not let kendall be ceo. she just couldn’t. not because she wanted to sacrifice herself to “stop the cycle,” not because she made a calculation and decided tom was her best interest — because the thought of kendall being ceo and acting like That the rest of their lives when shiv earned that job, she fucking earned it, that was too much to fucking bear. watching him sit in dad’s chair, conduct that vote, grin with entitlement and cockiness and certainty — seeing that elicited a visceral painful all-consuming sensation not dissimilar to overwhelming nausea that, summed up in two words, would simply be: fuck. no. she couldn’t live with that. she just couldn’t. it’s not kind. it’s not smart. it’s just human. painfully, destructively human. because sometimes, that’s all there is to it. not just for shiv, but for everyone. god knows roman and kendall have had those same feelings, made those same self-destructing yet necessary-feeling decisions throughout the show. why does it have to be different for shiv? why can’t she be painfully destructively human, prone to impulsive ill-conceived viscerally felt actions, like everyone else? why are we incapable of allotting her the same nuance and humanity (the good and the bad), the same trauma-informed self-destructive life-ruining hamartias, as we do her brothers? why can’t we fit a whole woman in our heads?

#very surprised to see so many ‘shiv stopped the cycle on purpose blah blah blah’ takes like that didn’t even cross my mind as a motivation #of hers #it wasn’t calculated — i mean kendall winning would be to her benefit in terms of power and respect. that would be best for her #it wasn’t just jealousy or anything either; it wasn’t a coherent thought or plan #it was just I Can’t Fucking Do This #i can’t sit there while he smiles like that when he sits in dad’s chair and hisses that’s fucking right under his breath when someone votes #his way. not when that job was fucking MINE. it was MINE. i can’t- i can’t fucking do it #it’s about preservation of emotional dignity #it’s about self-respect #it’s ironic though because there are few things more undignified and less respected than being a quiet betrayed trophy wife to a weak ceo #husband who earned his position even less than kendall #but she’s not thinking clearly. she’s not Thinking. she just acted because there was this visceral need to act #succession #succession spoilers #shiv roy #100 #500 #casey shut the fuck up about shiv roy #1000

[vechter]

detective comics (1937) #725 // the great believers, rebecca makkai // hesitate to call, louise glück // batman: battle for the cowl (2009) #1 // titans (2008) #21 // the aftermath, caitlin conlon // superman/batman (2003) #76 // i built the walls myself, arch budzar // batman: battle for the cowl (2009) #1 // titans (2008) #15 // detective comics (1937) #874 // postcolonial love poem, natalie díaz // batman (1940) #687 // batman and robin (2009) #1 // i can tell it's aquarius season because my knuckles are splitting, caitlin conlon // superman/batman (2003) #76 // u.k. // batman and robin (2009) #2 // titans (2008) #23 // u.k. // batman (1940) #681 // coded signals, caitlin conlon // titans (2008) #15 // batman and robin (2009) #1 // against silence, frank bidart

dick + being batman

#dick grayson #batman #webweaving #dcu #bruce wayne #web weaving #dc comics #this was becoming too long but I have so many thoughts on the dickbats era it makes me feral #imagine loving ur father so much u give up ur name ur team ur identity to take care of his name and son #dick & bruce: you'll never recover from that kind of devotion #thinking about that outsiders panel where roy reads dick to filth by saying his biggest fear is being batman #wish we could've gotten roy reacting to dick in the cape instead of the weird titans for hire BS we got

[raphaerolo]

Art Wip Game

@artisticallyill you asked about the Battle Cody & Obi so here it is

This one is definitely a bad name. While technically accurate, it's not the defining thing about this. Battle Cody & Obi is the name of my drawing that is my Codywan FMAB AU. Truly the title says nothing, and idk what i was thinking when i named the drawing but it's my fmab au

Here's it is so far:

In this au, the jedi are the state alchemists, Obi-Wan is a general and a state alchemist and a highly revered one but I don't know what his alchemy specialization is yet. Cody is his right hand who watches his back and has several big guns and people are scared of him.

I imagine this drawing to be them fighting Maul, who would absolutely just set a bunch of things on fire, not even with alchemy but with straight up matches cuz he's petty like that and Cody and Obi-Wan are trapped by the fire and waiting to see where he strikes next.

When I was ideating this, I realized that their dynamic is already pretty similar to Mustang and Hawkeye, especially with the "we can't date cuz you're my superior officer/subordinate" and the "i will flirt with others as a tactical move but it's fake and the real adoration only comes out with you"

Find wip game post here

#tag game #my wips #obi wan kenobi #commander cody #codywan #codywan fmab au #i have so many thoughts #i also imagine that one scene where roys abouta smush envy and hawkeye stops him #cuz i want a falling obi beign held at gunpoint by his commander because cody will not let him fall #cody makes him a better jedi okay? #obiwan might start to fall and codys there #theyre a team and they work well together #cody the ever serious one and obi putting on some false bravado to go by unnoticed because people underestimate him #its perfect #i think about it all the time #obi wan loses his state alchemist watch all the freaking time #cody always has it #and he clips it to his person so it comes to a point where people think hes the state alchemist #and they dont know what theyre fighting for or who #fives is hughes too smart for his own good #there are a lot of high ranking separatists and sith but i havent assigned them to a deadly sin yet #something to think about when i go to sleep tonight #fanart #digital art #star wars #my art #my wip art #fmab au #star wars fanart #wip

[technicolourtelevision]

gerri doesn't owe roman shit

#there are just so many thoughts i have about this #im fine with people shipping whoever they want but roman has been a pos to gerri ok #gerri doesn't owe roman a hug why does she need to be his caretaker #anyways just succ sesh discourse lol #also let me clarify i'm not against roman and i def think he needs comfort and he is heartbroken #i just dont think gerri needs to be that person for him #she doesnt owe him anything #roman roy #discourse #succession #succession spoilers #4x03 #season 4 #episode 3 #connors wedding #gif #my gif #gerri kellman

[cowboysmp3]

ok not to be insane but the whole tom putting the bidding sticker on greg situ is SO indicative of their entire relationship bc its all about Tom’s desire for control and ownership over something (due to him feeling powerless and out of control in his relationship with shiv). Him putting that sticker on Greg wasnt just a hehe ill look after you way it was much more ‘I own you. You are reliant on me now and I OWN you’. Which is a sentiment that is the very FABRIC of their relationship, calling back to the ‘I will not let go of what is mine’ water bottle scene. Obsessed actually

#tomgreg #succession #succession spoilers #like its a small detail BUT ITS SO!!!! #their dynamic is fun BECAUSE its so fucked up #it also shows toms biggest weakness (his inability to understand when someone is using him/doesnt see him as an equal/will always betray him #whilst the tomgreg and the tomshiv relationships are very DIFFERENT #theres so many ways in which they are the same #mainly around toms desperate loneliness and desire to simply BE desired #for him to feel important to someone #and i think throughout his marriage he has felt undesired and unimportant #so he seeks importance from controlling greg #OUGH im obsessed with him actually #he also cant take the risk that would be finding someone who authentically values and wants him without wanting something from him #hes so trapped in the Roy Web #i have many thoughts about tom wamsgans #i love you mr wamsgans

[covertblizzard]

jaykyle au where they're theatre kids in the same school but they're not the actors jason's the scriptwriter/director and kyle is the prop manager (i don't know the official terms sorry) and they'd probably do an amazing job on the backstage setting if they could stop arguing for 5 whole seconds about their artistic visions and ideas and how "this would obviously work better this way"

#jason todd #kyle rayner #jaykyle #mypost #dc thoughts #vp of the club: maybe we should find some other people to do the job if they can't get along? #pres of the club: no they're both talented af and i want this to be raving success just knock their heads tgt and tell them to play nice or #i'll make them wear the get along shirt again #WAIT ONE SEC DONNA'S THE PRES and overseer she's pissed bcos kyle played the same role last year and he was chill then #wally's vp no 1 and backstage manager and he's thinking of kicking kyle out #dick's vp no 2 and main lead and he's thinking of kicking jason out bcos it's embarrassing and annoying to work with your younger siblings #kon helps kyle with props and bart is one of the actors and kon is jealous af about it he grumbles a little #roy is the fight scene choreographer #i'm trying to think of something for garth but the only thing that comes to mind i'm not sure are fitting enough #actor manager? weapon manager? oooh maybe pet manager if they have animals... human and pet manager???? hr department but including animals #ooooh maybe pet manager if they have animals #raven can play bart's love interest (in play) maybe (wally doesn't like it and neither does gar for very different reasons) #eddie deals with the contraptions they build for this bubble machines smoke machines lowering and raising anything mechanical #rose and cass helps with the weapons stuff they keep fighting too and roy is TIRED #connor plays the villain he didn't mean to or want to but he got dragged into it and he's really hot and gunned in for next years main lead #he doesnt want this #steph and mia are hair makeup costume department but bart and kon love to hangout and help too #jennie-lynn and bart are in-charge of socials #tim pops up a lot because so many of his friends (and brothers) are here and when he does he helps steph and mia #damian too pops up to help with pet management and sometimes prop art #this is much to dicks annoyance jason is already here can his little brothers LEAVE HIM ALONE SOMETIMES UGH #damian (taking cues from talia and bruce loverenemies dynamic and wanting an artist in-law): we should set jason and kyle up #dick: no / tim: hmm / dick: NO #i want to add the yj girls (cassie cissie greta anita) but i know too little about them right now but imagine they're there and the roles #are to be determined

[waystarresourceco]

Kieran Culkin on Roman’s memory and the dog pound game. (x)

Excerpt from an interview with Kieran Culkin with Vulture - Nov. 21, 2021

#think this is pretty aligned with Jesse’s views on Roman feeling bullied within the family which is interesting #Roman's whole relationship with memory endlessly fascinates me #have so many thoughts about dog pound #kieran culkin #roman roy #hbo succession #cast interviews #kendall roy

[bitchthefuck1]

Rewatching succession it really is wild to see Kendall and Shiv convince themselves over and over again that they can "fix ATN/Waystar from the inside" only to completely abandon their morals the minute it gives them a strategic advantage.

When they're on the outside it's an endless diatribe about how evil and rotten the company is to its core, but the second they get the slightest whiff of power they suddenly decide the problems are actually really manageable and that with the right leadership it could be a force for good, and like...the saddest part is that they genuinely seem to believe that.

#where's that crime and punishment quote about how the worst thing is that you've betrayed yourself for nothing... #and they really seem to think its true! they genuinely believe that they can turn it around and make it good! it's not an act! #kendall really thinks he's a feminist and 'one of the good ones' and shiv really does think she stands with/for women and liberal #ideals and the truth is that no matter how much they might care about those things they will always love power more and they #are infinitely more invested in the power structures that keep injustice alive than they are in actually trying to stop injustice #roman is the only one who's actually aware and honest about how fucked it all is but he thinks that means everything's bullshit and #therefore nothing matters. which can be just as dangerous as convincing yourself you're the good guy (see: america decides) #that's one of the things i like so much about the ending for shiv and kendall bc they're finally forced to confront the lies they've been #telling themselves. and like. maybe that'll go nowhere. maybe they won't change. but they might. and the only hope they have #of actually growing as people and maybe doing something good is if that illusion gets shattered #idk man i just have so many thoughts about succession #succession #shiv roy #kendall roy

[fluffs-n-stuffs]

Finally catching up on the Horizons episodes I missed 👍

#fluff binges !!! #I've missed out this one and the one from last week that I'll watch once I settle my work for tonight--mainly due from a whirlwind on my en #even if it were just for two weeks I missed these sillies sm 🥺🥺🥺 #Diana was finna gonna murder that man you gotta respect that #I think I saw online that not that many people liked this episode because of the main concern that Friede usually saves the day #I do get that though I actually really enjoyed this episode because I think it's one of Roy's best battles (aside from the top one which wa #--the confrontation with the explorers in Diana's hideout) #he got a couple hits in and even thought to send in Wattrel when he realized that he'd get an advantage up in the air which was so so good #the kiddos mainly fumbled this time 'round because they forgot about the foongus/didn't have another mon to counter it #(maybe Hatena could've countered but Liko still needs to learn How to use her in battles--she does want to help though !!! with how she #--moved that shovel on her own - which I thought was a nice lil indicator of a possible battle highlighting her in the future) #I loooved that moment at the end with Diana showing the dude his true self through Bronzor's reflection that was actually very sweet #so yeah it's a simple ep but an enjoyable one - I think people gotta chill with constantly wanting peak sdkjfskndjfs #loads of Horizons content are focused on character moments and a slice of life feeling to everything which is something I love personally #this is a nice breather after the insanity of the last arc methinks hehe #anipoke #pokeani #pokemon horizons #diana pokemon #arcanine

[kettleghost]

more succession warrior cats breh idk

#many thoughts about this au #started as a joke but like I Am Thinking #idk how connors presidential candidate plotline would translate #because clan leader is ceo #so #idk #BTW haven’t made a design for her yet but #caroline would be a kittypet- former warrior #lives in a big human mansion #pierce would probably be a seperate clan or something #both tom and greg are also former kittypets #ewan was a warrior who quit and became a loner i think #idk bro #anyway #my art #succession #warrior cats #warriors #kendall roy #shiv roy #roman roy #rava roy #gerri kellman

[jopzer]

the thing about royjamie is that they are Not drift compatible. their drift would be so fucking volatile they'd get in each others brains and accidentally kill themselves and everyone else in the building. this is my favorite thing about them.

#beebles #royjamie #ted lasso #jamie tartt #roy kent #been thinking about pacrim au mmmmuchly #i think roykeeley would be Pretty compatible but not quite #i think the three of them could make it but there would be many incidents. lives lost #they stand a shot with the three of them #i think maybe jamiekeeley are volatile in a different sort of way #especially if it's in his s1 asshole era but if it's s3 jamie OBVIOUSLY they're making it work #sort of. they're giving it a go anyway #i still think their best shot is all three of them together #i also think roy would never ever ever submit himself to drifting with someone he barely knows #even keeley would be pushing it #oh you want in my brain? you want to know all the humiliating things i want and feel and have done??? you want to know me??? #fuck no and fuck you for asking #if the three of them were drifting i think it'd open up a lot of new interesting dynamics also #roy relies on the drift to get across his thoughts and feelings and jamiekeeley are like #girl you cannot rely on brain telepathy. you have to talk to us #(he would rather not) #every time he talks he ends up sticking his foot in his mouth #but every time they drift they can just see and feel what he's thinking and feeling #also keeley would need 200% more keeley time #she and roy just lived together and worked in the same building and she couldn't hang #can you imagine if they shared the same BRAIN?? #i think drifting is like catnip for keeley she loves it but it's also theeeee scariest most mortifying thing #but we know she loves vulnerability tho and there's nothing more vulnerable #i can't keep secrets from you you've literally been in my brain and i've been in yours you know things about me even i don't #idk how jamie would feel about drifting tbh....

[brookheimer]

roman is free in the sense that he is free from waystar, but he is not free in the sense that he has 'escaped the cycle.' roman realized everything is bullshit and left, but that's not what actual meaningful freedom would be for roman. what rome needs is for business and family to finally make a clean separation, for him to be allowed to love his family without molding himself into an image of logan that he isn't. waystar has always been the only way the roys know how to interact with one another, and it still is. in that sense, nothing has changed. roman's declaration about the nothingness of waystar is not actually a change, because he still marries waystar to family, and thus believes family is nothingness as well -- functionally, there's little difference between that and the opposite belief that both waystar and family have meaning and are 'real.' what the roys need is to realize waystar is bullshit and family is real, but roman went from thinking both have meaning (family has meaning thus waystar has meaning) to thinking neither do (waystar is bullshit thus family is bullshit). nothing changes, the cycle keeps on cycling. finally family has been severed from waystar (what he's needed all along -- he's never really cared about the business, only his family, and the business was the only way he could be with his family, so he tried and failed time and time again to mold himself into the businessman his dad wanted him to be), and while this is a good thing, it's coupled with his realization of the hollowness of the family itself. in hindsight, this was inevitable, i think -- if waystar royco was the beating heart of the roy family (which it was), there's no conceivable severing of the two that would allow the family to maintain functionally intact.

i do think that roman will have relationships with his family after the finale (shiv is definite, con is likely, kendall is also likely because roman is incapable of not being around his family and can't imagine a world in which they don't return to each other somehow), but he's aware for the first time of the nothingness of their bonds, something that everyone has already known except for him -- something, i think, that isn't even entirely fair. they do love each other. there is something there. and now that waystar is no longer part of the equation, maybe there's hope for real relationships beyond transaction, beyond business, beyond logan. but none of them believe that to be possible. roman always used to, but for the first time, i think he's not sure. he's free of waystar, but the roys never managed to functionally healthily uncouple family and business, so being free of waystar also means being free of family -- it has to mean that. he's convincing himself it's all nothing and he doesn't care, and that won't last. but, in my opinion, neither will the distance between the siblings. i think it'll take time, but they'll come back together, albeit in varying degrees (i doubt shiv and ken will ever have quite the same relationship again, for instance). roman is free of waystar but not because he realized it's not necessary for family -- because he 'realized' family is not necessary, that family is nothing too, that everything is nothing. it's an empty sort of happiness, unsustainable and hollow. but i do think there is hope. i think it'll be okay for rome in the long run (family-wise, at least). i just don't think nihilism is a salve capable of healing deep cuts, only a bandage allowing them to stay hidden for a little while longer.

in life and in death, waystar royco and the roy family are eternal partners, inextricable from each other -- and so long as the two remain conceptually married, it'll be hard for roman to find legitimate happiness: if one is dead, then the other must be too. he ends the series the same as he started it, believing fully in logan's conception of family as a business unit (meaning now that both are bullshit), people as economic units (meaning now that both are bullshit), and roman himself as the son who couldn't be the heir and thus was never much of a son at all. logan dominates his worldview just as much as it always has. sure, roman acknowledges that everything is bullshit now, but that's even more logan than his previous viewpoint which was a naive sort of belief in family. now, it's all just bullshit. everything's bullshit. it's logan with nihilism as the dominant frame (rather than capitalism), but regardless of roman's thoughts on the meaning of things, the structure of the world is the same one that logan taught him. he is free from waystar, but he is haunted by its ghost and always will be.

#yes i said the 'roman is free (by choice) thing in one post however that was literally just to match the format of the #other parts of the post to make the con punchline work LOLL. needed to clarify my actual thoughts - that was mad oversimplification #anyways tl;dr - he's realized the business is nothing (!!) which means family is nothing (...) and logan's worldview prevails (fuck) #don't know if this makes sense or is even accurate to my thoughts bc 77% of my brain is focused on shiv rn lmaooo #succession spoilers #roman roy #casey shut the fuck up about roman roy #succession #so many thoughts to think. #idek if this is what i actually think LANDASJDNk i might change it later or post a new thing i just needed to clarify that i do not think #roman is actually free and that other post was just phrased that way to make the joke work LMAO #long post #100

[tomwambsgans]

#tomgreg #im personally torn between st paul and rome #just bc its funny that theres a como lake in st paul #and Lake Como in italy is one of the most popular wedding venues #and was also namedropped by tom and be says 'but im worried about the fog' #so then like. for ppl to get the wedding memo and be like 'holy shit hes taking greg to como??“ #only for it to be a different como lake #just feels very good #but also a Classy Old New York wedding feels VERY tom #in any case it would prob depend on who all they even can invite #and i think tom would be pretty nervous about another big wedding #like he already got his Big Fancy Wedding with shiv but also the venue wasnt his choice #and look how that turned out #hed probably have this fear of declaring their love in front of too many people cursing it #ultimately i have to think its just family and closest friends there #and also theyd prob wanna avoid the roys just trashing it. especially roman #so they would not need/want a huge venue necessarily. food for thought #mine

[adrift-in-thyme]

Roy and Ed have the best mentor - mentee relationship. Discuss.

THEY DO

Roy after thirty minutes discussing a plan: Ed did you listen to a word I said

Ed: yeah totally. I especially liked the part where you suggested we go get some sandwhiches. I heartily agree

Roy: *internal screaming*

#in all seriousness though they really do have such a great relationship #roy saying ed’s got fire in his eyes always makes me grin #cause YES this guy GETS IT #he’s a dorky idealist at his heart after all #he knows what it’s like to need something to fight for #to make a better future #for yourself and others #and he kinda tries to guide ed in containing that fight #*continuing* #whether it’s introducing him to tucker (which yeah went horribly but he couldn’t have known) #or checking up on he and al to see if they’ve made progress with their quest #or allowing them the freedom to research #and even showing up like everywhere the boys go to make sure they’re as protected as possible #protective/parental roy is the best #and though ed is a little gremlin child #I do think he sees roy almost as an older brother #annoying but endearing and kinda cool at the same time XD #idk I’ve got many thoughts about these two #but I need to rewatch the show (in the process of doing it rn) #so that I can refresh my memory #and properly gush about them #trin answers #asks #lovely anon #fmab

[kennabeth]

sometimes I'm like "okay so that was just a terrible auto-translation, I'm sure she didn't actually write that" and then I look at the page and it's a sentence I can read unassisted and she did actually write that

#i cannot fully blame google for the weird prose! ive said this before and ill say it so many times again but #this book feels so unfinished #so inconsistent #youll have a chapter with 0 description of the world followed by a chapter with no insight from the pov character #ironstone's voice just sounds like jasper?? #wait is his name ironstone? idr idc about him #whatever #and im gonna make several whole posts about this but she introduces SO MANY fascinating plotlines and ideas #then does absolutely nothing with them #it's very frustrating #i keep thinking about that arakawa comic thats like #'roy mustang was raised in a brothel' - 'can you elaborate on that?' - 'no:)' #except she did that bc the story was about the elrics not mustang #the abandoned plots are very very much about the central characters in this #it's. it's like she thought writing a fourth book would be so much fun. told everyone she was doing it. #sold it and got put on a deadline. then realized it was not as much fun or as satisfying to write as she thought it would be #but couldnt back out and just hit publish once she hit the required word count #it's not a bad book at all but it's a bad cornelia funke book ykwim lol #says kenna #kenna reads tcor

[mariemariemaria]

the people who think that christianity is the worst most problematic religion ever and the people who think that islam is the worst most problematic religion ever are two sides of the same coin to me

#mind blank no original thoughts no nuance #not actually caring about women and other people who are negatively effected by the religion. #if you don't care about all women who are oppressed by religion then you don't care about any women #like the ppl on here who criticise xianity all the time for being sexist or homophobic #but then refuse to do that for any other religion?? ok so u dont actually care about women and gay people beyond ur culturally xian bubble👍 #meanwhile they refuse to recognise that xians are oppressed in many parts of the world alongside other religious groups like muslims #just completely western centric #this isn't to deny that christianity is oppressive like ofc there's valid criticisms of it #personally i think the catholic church should be dismantled lol #but it is not uniquely oppressive and to pretend it is is to position victims of religious oppression in a hierarchy #with xians at the top while ignoring other victims and refusing to build up solidarity with them #and u could say that this is an online problem but it's not. its so pervasive in the actual world bc ppl are either focused on their own #experiences (which is understandable to an extent but still pls look at the world around u lol) or they are so focused on defeating bigotry #that they ignore any and all criticisms of another religion. which also is not helpful and actually damages their cause #not to mention the people who are actively harmed by forms of that religion everyday #this doesn't just apply to these two religions obviously but unfortunately this dominates western social cultural debate #like i think you could definitely make parallels here with irish history and politics and how the liberalisation of both the north and the #south is a key part of the peace process. northern protestants became more at ease & trusting of the roi when it started to liberalise and #develop out of essentially being a catholic theocracy. northern catholics were more accepting of the existence of ni when protestant #domination and the protestant churches/o.o. could no longer decide government actions #a united ireland is more likely now because the republic has (largely) thrown off the shackles of the catholic church #like in the late 20th century northern protestants were generally fearful of the republic and considering divorce wasnt legal there until #the 90s it was with good reason. it wasnt all in their heads lol #idk i just think there's similarities there #posting this against my better judgement. please engage in good faith if you engage at all lol