#avengers endgame theories

[crystal-rose01]

Romanogers Theory

I think that Marvel did both Steve and Nat wrong in Endgame. Like I get that maybe Steve went back and stayed there and that Nat dies getting the soul stone because of the whole, "a soul for a soul." But if Steve gave the soul stone back wouldn't that mean that he would get the soul which was sacrificed back as well? Meaning that Nat would've come back to that time...So what if when Sam asked, "are you going to tell me about her?" at the end of Endgame and Steve replied, "no I don't think I will," he wasn't talking about Peggy, maybe he was talking about Nat. Steve would've known going back and being with Peggy would've changed the entire course fo the timeline since she had kids without him, but he and Nat were both out of place, they both could've been together without anything being changed in the future.

Idk tell me your comments on this....

#romanogers #natasha romanoff #steve rogers #theory #marvel #mcu #avengers #avengers endgame

[a-manda-lorian]

I don’t know about y’all, but I have been perpetually disappointed in franchise/series endings for years now. Is fandom the problem??? Like, we all get on here and theorize and come up with bangin’ meta… and then the writers give us a steaming pile of 💩 for the actual film/show/book ending… How are the fans better at coming up with amazing story ideas while the people making the big bucks are making lousy stories??? All these things that end up in story for us to analyze can’t just be accidents, but then why do they never get fleshed out and come to a logical conclusion???

I’m just confused. Should we stop doing this, hyping ourselves up and setting unrealistic expectations on story writers…?

I feel like I’m being punked… where’s Ashton????

#fanfic #fandom #meta #fan theory #reylo #acftl #acftl spoilers #the mandalorian #the avengers #avengers endgame #spiderman #ben solo

[popcorn-plots]

Stan Lee died in 2018. Marvel started filming Endgame in 2017 (I think) and it released in 2019.

Marvel movies have gone down in pretty much everything since then...

since Stan Lee's death...

Coincidence?

#marvel #stan lee #marvel movies #mcu #avengers endgame #endgame #the avengers #coincidence #i think not #conspiracy theories

[beheworthy]

Which human outfit did Thor wear do you like more?

The one and only:

The bestest most perfect outfit ever!!!! (ah yes, alcohol in hand!)

I love these two as well:

(these precious minutes in Avengers4 where he is the King of Asgard AND confident and cool are everything to me)

#answers #anonymous #thor #thor odinson #outfits #avengers age of ultron #thor the dark world #avengers endgame #literally none of the outfits in the relationship montage in thor4 were good #only the pink tee when he makes breakfast is passable #cause it was the one time this genius director got color theory right #that his fans can't shut up abt thor4 being all abt and he got wrong on most occasions

[icalledhimpietro]

Me busting into every Avenger's house demanding to know what their excuse is for not being there for Wanda

Then proceeding to slam open the doors of a nursing home and catch that star spangled son of bitch's eye

Steve's old ass just eating his jello:

#wanda maximoff #wandavision #age of ultron #avengers aou #mcufam #wandavision memes #wandavison spoilers #avenger death #avengers theory #the avengers #avengers ultron #captain america #steve rogers #old steve #post endgame #endgame #maximoff twins #maximoffs #vision #tony stark #iron man #marvel cinematic universe #marvel

[sundry-whovengerslocked]

Avengers: Endgame

hypothesis: Steve and Natasha are both alive and young at the end of endgame.

facts:

the way they explained time travel and the multiverse, Steve would not have been able to return to his own timeline if significant changes had been made.

when retrieving the soul stone, Clint and Natasha were told it's a trade of "a soul for a soul"

the present-day soul stone was destroyed by Thanos, and Gamora did not return.

observation:

the only things we were shown on screen for sure were 1) Steve leaving to return the infinity stones to preserve the timeline 2) him dancing with Peggy and 3) him appearing to come back as an old man, and refusing to answer questions.

theory:

when Steve returned the stones, the "soul for a soul" deal was enacted in reverse - therefore Natasha should have come back.

based on the explanation, the only way Steve could have come back to this timeline was if little to no changes were made in the past. (therefore not creating another branch in time)

Steve had a dance with Peggy to say goodbye, then returned to the present with Natasha, both the same age as when they left.

Steve used the same technology that Natasha did in CATWS to disguise himself as an old man.

conclusion: it's very much possible that Steve and Natasha came back alive and well, but faked their endings to 1) maintain their cover to go on a secret mission 2) escape responsibilities and retire or 3) for shits and giggles.

secondary hypothesis: if Steve ever gets spotted in public he whispers "no one will ever believe you" and promptly disappears.

#avengers endgame #mcu #marvel cinematic universe #steve rogers #fan theory #please validate me I've finally come to a satisfying conclusion #one that could actually be canon #alternate theory: old man Steve is a skull sent by Nick Fury #secret invasion #catws #captain america #natalia romanova #natasha romanoff #black widow #the soul stone #poor bucky #Steve would never leave you bby #unless it was absolutely necessary #poor yelena #also why would Steve age at a normal pace that doesn't seem right #also this theory works no matter who you ship #because it's ACTUALLY IN CHARACTER #can you tell I'm salty

[theswifterhood]

Stranger Things 5 Theory/Prediction: The Importance of Max’s Letters.

So, i’ve been thinking a lot about season 5 over the last couple months, and how i think a lot of things left unexplored in s4 will come into play in the final season. Originally, when i made my ST4 bingo card before volume 2 dropped, i thought Max would end up in a coma (bingo!) and that her letters would be read aloud at the end of the season, much like Hopper’s at the end of ST3. Obviously that was wrong, but i still can’t help but feel like the Duffers would not have Max write letters that are clearly holding weight within her relationships and her life, and have it go nowhere. So, i’ve come to the conclusion that Max’s letters will play one of 2 purposes next season. I’ll be using clips from Avengers: Endgame, so if you haven’t seen that and want to avoid spoilers, here’s your warning. If you want to come back after watching, i’ll see you then. Here we go!

Theory 1:

I for one think that Max’s letter will be the post time jump motivation for the other’s returning to Hawkins. I think after they fail in the beginning of ST5, they’ll decide it’s hopeless and will let Vecna do his thing. More likely, they’ll think Vecna might be too weak to do anything and ignore Will’s tingle. Imagine Lucas or El, years later finding Max’s letter and deciding that they can’t just leave her there. Max loves them. She deserves to be fought for. Hawkins might not, but her and the rest of the world do. Think of the scene in Avengers: Endgame. Tony refuses to make the time machine until seeing a picture of Peter and realizing he’s worth saving. He’s worth the risk. (“I accept the risk” - Max, ST2)

Link to Endgame scene:

Alternatively, i think El could just not be strong enough, and she’ll have to go train w/ Owens. This leaves the characters going their separate ways until El is strong enough. I think El brings her letter from Max with her to Nina 2.0, and is motivated to carry on every day because of it. At some point she’ll be strong enough and ready to fight. Imagine some dialogue from El (or maybe even Lucas) when Max is revived to some degree, and El parallels Mike in ST2 (I called you everyday…), telling Max that she never read her letter, because she knew she wasn’t gone. This would be so sweet #elmaxrights. Max’s letters can’t be for nothing. Now i bring you to the less fluffy alternative.

Theory 2:

Since i believe the letters must have value, but i know the Duffers don’t believe in fan service and the executives at Netflix cried over the ending pitch, i feel the need to acknowledge the very real possibility that Max may die in the end. I’ve said before that Max is the only character (in addition to Hopper) that i believe is safe from death. This is mainly because she’s died before and it would be repetitive. But, seeing as she’s the only character who has written a letter (that we know of. Looking at you Mike.) and in that letter she addresses her death, i think it’s possible her letter will be read aloud by Sadie over the final moments of the show. This would be similar to the end of ST3, but more-so like the end of Avengers: Endgame. In the end, Tony dies saving Peter and the other half of the universe, but not without the last word. He has preemptively left a goodbye message in the event of his death. It is played over shots of various characters happy after the war, and people celebrating victory. His letter also addresses “not being alone”, something that Max’s Dear Billy letter also does. I will also say that in a true parallel, El would be the one to die saving Max (Would parallel the end of ST1, and Tony’s sacrifice.) However, I don’t think El would write a letter. I could be wrong though. The only other character i can see this going down with would be Mike. He is a writer after all. He could (in the context of flickergate, and him going in the UD to save Will) write a letter admitting how he feels and addressing that if he dies he had the time of his life fighting dragons with you (😉) (you being Will + the party?). This wouldn’t be revealed til the end of the season, giving the Duffers, Netflix, and the homophobic GA/Milevens an out to a byler kiss or full on acknowledgement of it the rest of the season. This is my least favorite outcome. I hope you guys find this as interesting (and tragic, a word used to describe the end) as i do. Here’s to more theories over the next 2ish years! Happy New Year!

Link to the end of Endgame:

#stranger things predictions #stranger things 5 #stranger things theory #stranger things 5 theory #stranger things #max mayfield #elmax #lumax #el hopper #lucas sinclair #will byers #mike wheeler #byler #the duffers told me #the duffer brothers #shawn levy #elumax #Youtube #avengers endgame

[novelmonger]

This song from David Hodges' latest album took my breath away with how well it works for Steve and Peggy in Endgame, and I want to gush about it.

(Please note that this only works with my Two Steves reading of Endgame, which is not how most people see the movie - please feel free to ask me about it if you don't know what I'm talking about!)

If I had a time machine That went right back to you and me for a minute I wouldn't get in it Okay, maybe I would climb inside Press some buttons, turn the dial to that summer When my heart felt younger And I'd say Things were better then I wish I could see you smile at me again

As soon as I heard that first line, I was already listening for Steve in this song, because of my music video of David Hodges' song "Time Machine" ^^'

But yes, this definitely made me think of all the time travel shenanigans they all get up to in Endgame, and the possibility that opens up for Steve to use it to go back to Peggy. It brings to mind that scene when Steve sees her through the window in the S.H.I.E.L.D. base.

'Cause I was in love, I could not explain it We spoke in tongues written in our own language I was yours, and you were mine I made you mad, you drove me crazy So simple then, but so complicated I think of you, and I don't know why 'Cause I can't go back in time

The thing is, Steve and Peggy definitely were in love with each other. Anyone who tries to deny that simply isn't paying attention to TFA. It was a relationship both simple and complicated - they both loved each other, there was no one between them, but they were at war. No time for romance. But there was so much potential for happiness once everything was over. They thought they would have time to do more about it than just promising a dance and sharing a kiss.

And if I had the chance again To stop the ending when it came I wouldn't do it We were done, and we knew it See, I remember how it felt All the heaven and all the hell That we went through It doesn't mean I was meant for you

But what this song captures is the realization I believe Steve comes to when he faces this chance to go back in time and get back everything he once had. He knows he isn't going to do it, because he and Peggy are over. It's not that it was never real - it was. He really did love her. They went through "all the heaven and all the hell" together during the war. But like the song says, "It doesn't mean I was meant for you." Their choices, and the situations they ended up in, closed off the possibility of them being together.

But I was in love, I could not explain it We spoke in tongues written in our own language I was yours, and you were mine I made you mad, you drove me crazy So simple then, but so complicated I think of you, and I don't know why 'Cause I can't go back in time

That line "I made you mad, you drove me crazy" puts me in mind of that scene where Peggy shoots Steve XD

You're happy now I've settled down Guess that life is full of things that you can live without But that doesn't change the truth Part of me was made by you

This part actually brought tears to my eyes, because it fits so perfectly. After losing Steve, it's not like Peggy's life was over for the next 70 years. She found love, her life had meaning and purpose, overall she was happy. And Steve, though it was certainly a rocky road for him, has settled into his life in the 21st century. He's made friends. He found Bucky again. He's met Sharon, and started a relationship with her. You could say that he's able to live without Peggy. But he still looks back and acknowledges that an important part of who he is was made by Peggy.

'Cause I was in love, I could not explain it We spoke in tongues written in our own language I was yours, and you were mine I made you mad, you drove me crazy So simple then, but so complicated I think of you, and I don't know why 'Cause I can't go back in time

The line "We spoke in tongues written in our own language" makes me think of the little inside jokes and references they make with each other in TFA. A relationship of any kind is like a long, drawn-out conversation that (hopefully) stretches over years and years of your lives together. The real tragedy of Steve and Peggy is that their conversation was cut short.

If I had a time machine That went right back to you and me for a minute I wouldn't get in it

This is why I say that the Steve we see at the end of Endgame isn't the Steve we've come to know over the course of the series. He wouldn't go back in time, not even just to have a dance with her. Their story has come to an end. Their lives will continue on without each other. It's not meaningless. I don't think either of them would say they regret meeting and loving each other. But there's no going back in time for them. Not even when Steve has access to a literal time machine. Because he can't turn the clock back on himself. He's a different man than the one who went into the ice.

This Steve Rogers is meant to go back to the 21st century, to pick up the life he's made with Bucky, with Sam, with Sharon, with all of the friends he's made there. That's the true ending of Endgame to me.

#david hodges #back in time #captain america #avengers: endgame #two steves theory #endgame fix it #steve rogers #peggy carter #steggy #but also not #thanks for coming to my ted talk of my favorite obscure artist #Youtube

[ladymarvel27]

Loki thought he deserved to be the ruler of Asgard and Valkyrie thought she deserved to be dead whilst fighting Hella.

Now, Valkyrie is the ruler of Asgard and Loki is dead.

#memes #theory #memes by me #marvel #loki #valkryie #thor ragnarok #thor #hella #loki season one #avengers endgame

[itzjulianajj]

So when Bruce is explaining time travel in Avengers Endgame, Rhodey and Scott name a couple of Time Travel related movies. And Scott mentions Hot Tub Time Machine.

Sebastian Stan exists in their universe.

#bucky barnes #marvel #james buchanan barnes #marvel theory #hot tub time machine #avengers endgame #sebastian stan

[aleksmaximoff]

I still think about the theory that came after What If...? ep 4 that maybe Vision's death is an absolute point in time. That Vision is not meant to grow old with Wanda, that in every universe he has to die (relatively) young.

#marvel #avengers #marvel cinematic universe #mcu #marvel movies #infinity war #endgame #age of ultron #wanda maximoff #wandavision #scarlet witch #the vision #vision #doctor strange in the multiverse of madness #multiverse of madness #Elizabeth olsen #paul bettany #what if #what if...? #marvel theory #marvel theories #wandavision theories

[liliesandparchment]

so guys i have been living under the glorious delusion that everything from endgame and onwards was just some fanfiction given the distasteful nod for the big screen because Natasha Romanoff, the first lady of the mcu, badass bitch™ is NOT dead on some far flung godforsaken purple fucking planet in the middle of nowhere and i gotta let u in on the secret guys this has done absolute wonders for my mental health i 10/10 recommend

#natasha romanoff #natasha is not dead guys #i cannot be convinced otherwise #come join my alternate reality #marvel #marvel movies #avengers theories #avengers endgame #natalia romanova #scarlet johansson #who the fuck wrote that shit even #dumb fucking whores #yes i'm still bitter #no i don't give a fuck #ITS NOT CANON

[lokigodofaces]

I think it's very telling that I can more easily headcanon Deke saving Bucky in the '80's than EG Steve saving Bucky in the '40's. Deke, who has never met Bucky, and has never mentioned him versus Bucky's best friend since childhood. EG's writing for Steve is so bad that I see several of his moments as a different character, a character that wouldn't save his best friend who he knows is being tortured.

#this is operating under the assumption that steve went to a new universe bc thats the only one that makes sense #yes i know this is preloki dont have time to explain my theories on the multiverse rn #but yeah there was a multiverse pre loki the ancient one talks about it #& also aos confirms a multiverse way before loki #deke shaw #steve rogers #agents of s.h.i.e.l.d. (2013 2020) #avengers: endgame critical #bucky barnes #okay so in my mental au thats similar to aos but has other characters when deke says he'll stay in the 80s he goes to bucky & is like yo #where are you? i know things are different but could i get some coordinates to try? im gonna frick up hydra :)

[freckled-frog]

✨why loki gave up the tesseract✨

(disclaimer! this is just a theory of mine!) :)

okay, loki’s mischievous yes, but he’s not an idiot, and he’s pretty clever.

i’m not sure if the reason why he gave thanos the tesseract was ever stated by the creators (if someone has proved it plz lmk!) :)

my reasoning is that he knew it would save thor’s life, and possibly save the whole universe

to start off, loki knows what it’s like to be tortured and abused by thanos; therefore, he most likely understands what thanos repeats to gamora later in the movie, the fact that if she’s lying, he’d know (like a creepy, purple, nutsack-chinned matt murdock that can see)

he most likely could also figure out what nebula states in endgame, the fact that thanos doesn’t lie

understanding both of those things, he knew that if he lied to thanos, he’d know and kill thor

to add on, at first, i thought maybe loki’s jab at thanos’ throat was a suicide to finally escape thanos’ reign, but after seeing how loki’s character has developed since the first thor, i have another theory

in thor ragnarok, loki tells thor that he can’t see into the future because he’s “not a witch;” however, in avengers endgame, frigga tells thor that she was raised by witches

after practically raising loki on her own, i could imagine that she taught him a few tricks (and of course he would lie because he’s loki)

i’m not saying loki can always see what’s going to happen (i mean did you see how terrified he was when he saw thanos’ ship again right before he massacred everyone?), but i’m thinking that, like strange, he saw what was going to play out

and he knew what he had to do to make sure that happened

because he was always the god of mischief, but he wanted to be more :)

#marvel #mcu #my thoughts #marvel infinity war #infinity war #marvel endgame #thor ragnorak #thor the dark world #thor #loki #thanos #frigga #gamora #nebula #theories #theory #avengers #the avengers #guardians of the galaxy

[spacenightwing]

Hot take on the MCU that probably isn’t hot but the internet is vast so who knows if that theory is already out there :

If Dr. Strange had stayed in the time loop pissing off Dormammu in the first Dr. Strange movie, than Thanos would have never been able to get the Time Stone, and therefore would never have been able to do the snap.

Thoughts??

#avengers endgame #dr stephen strange #thanos #mcu theory #time stone #I have not seen multiverse of madness yet so this could be addressed later??

[icalledhimpietro]

Not so fun fact

Steve went back to a time when Bucky was still on track to be the Winter Soldier

Steve still had the super soldier serum and absolutely could have saved him

But he didn't

I do believe Steve deserved a happy ending to his story, but if I had the opportunity to save my best friend from being tortured, brainwashed, and made into a terrorist

I certainly wouldn't be wasting my time with an old flame I kissed one time. (I know their relationship is different in the comics but Im going off of the story the mcu presented us with) I can't have a truly happy ending until I know my best friend is happy too. And it's SO incredibly out of character for Steve in so many ways.

They had the opportunity to preface Steve's ending with a conversation with Bucky where a lot of things could have been explained but no. We are supposed to "assume" that conversation happened which is not only bad storytelling, but incredibly lazy and sloppy writing.

Steve did not act like a friend to Bucky in the end, he just left and didn't really do anything for him. That's what pisses me off about his ending. Make whatever excuse you want, friends who truly are friends communicate about that kinda stuff and the film's unwillingness to show that communication tells me they didn't care at all about these characters. Then for someone to go back in time enough to stop their friend from being tortured, brainwashed, and commit violent and unspeakable acts? Yeah no. Steve Rogers cared so much about not only true justice but Bucky Barnes himself, he never would have been content knowing his friend was going through a literal hell while he got to play house with Peggy (or whoever he married)

#captain america #the winter soldier #steve rogers #james bucky barnes #bucky barnes #endgame #cap's ending #avenger death #avengers theory #the avengers #old steve #marvel cinematic universe #marvel #mcu #mcu phase 4 #multiverse #bucky deserved better #steve deserves better #this ending is way too out of character for him #how can you ever be okay with letting your friend go through that knowing you could stop it #bs #marvel writers #russo brothers