what do you think about the affc 2003 old script release? sansa fans are claiming because it says “take north” it means actually retake the north instead of heading north
It's interesting to look at George's notes and try to line them up with the plotlines we already have, but it's hard to make predictions on future ones because of how fragmented they are. The only reason it's being used as proof is because Stansas have already decided that's how her story will play out; It's just confirmation bias.
Regarding Sansa's portion, I think it lines up with what we've already gotten from her AFFC + TWOW chapters. Her final AFFC chapter includes LF outlining his "plan", which is supposed to culminate in her revealing her identity, gaining the support of the Vale, and retaking the North...hence the "take the north" in the outline. The fact that it predates the Tourney on the list, introduced afterward in her TWOW sample, seems to line up. LF's "prizes" of returning her identity and Winterfell give us her motivations + reasoning for why she is, for now, willing to follow his plan. The only actual new point seems to be "Kill the Mouse".
It's hard to theorize on any of these because they could all be subject to change/revision but to me, this outline shows that George has an entire arc in the Vale planned out of her. The Tourney hasn't even begun yet, we have Myranda potentially realizing Sansa's identity, Sansa hasn't even begun allying with the knights of the Vale, an engagement to Harry hasn't been secured, SW's health is up in the air, I doubt that the Mad Mouse will be killed off anytime soon, etc. She has a lot of story left to play out where she is and nothing actually indicates that she will be physically heading North anytime soon. The issue is that people keep trying to align her book arc with the show. Ultimately we won't ever really know until George releases TWOW, but it is funny to me that this is taken as ultimate proof when there's so much from George that they ignore. They'll rally around a few fragmented thoughts from 10 years ago, but then they ignore it when he outright says he has no idea what D&D are doing with Sansa and that things will be very different in the books 🤷🏾♀️
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I knew watching it again would probably result in some different perspectives from when I watched as a kid, but I remembered the film really well already and wasn’t expecting anything particularly ORV-related to suddenly hit me out of the blue, but like. Right at the end. RIGHT at the end.
Sing-Shong (or Han Sooyoung and KimCom, if you’d rather - or maybe both!) really did put so much thought into everything that got included, didn’t they?
You could say that ORV itself is exactly the same to them as this story was to the Rose who shared her story - Jack’s story.
I guess the idea is that, without ORV, we would never have known about Kim Dokja at all, because nobody would have remembered him. Maybe without those specific people surviving, there would not be any other record of him at all. Maybe that is part of the change between what may have ‘actually’ happened and what we read. Maybe he really, truly is ‘just some guy’ trying to survive like Jack Dawson, but nobody even knew he was a part of their story in the first place? What we read is a story saying ‘he was there, here is evidence of him being there’, but maybe he was just like Jack, there unplanned and undocumented, even in the <Star Stream> itself.
And they are still there, telling every world line outside of their own: He was here too. We want to find him. As the only ones who know he was there - maybe without any statue, any documented heroism. Just like everyone in the background of the film, saving each other, dying together, trying to survive.
And a promise, of course, to never let go. Not of a hand, but of a promise: A promise to survive, to live to an old age, and die in a warm bed.
I think a young Kim Dokja would appreciate the kind of message that provided, even in film form. Or at least, it’s one Han Sooyoung (or Sing-Shong, if you’d rather) would consider would want to convey to her readers.
Maybe they don’t even have a picture of him either. Maybe the only record of him exists within their memories. And that was the only source they had with which to try and recreate the ‘him’ that they knew, whilst knowing that, as with the film Titanic, the story would out of necessity become somewhat dramatised to sell the story as plausible or to make it popular enough to reach him.
Anyways, this quote (from the movie transcript - couldn’t find screenshots to do it justice) was what really hit me the most as being relevant to his story, too. Since they were there too, in the theatre dungeon, on the Titanic. It being a fictional rendition of a historical event makes it even more relevant too, and even as a kid I wondered - how can everyone be so okay watching these people die so horribly? But it’s because it’s fiction, it’s fiction. But, in this case, was it? How much of it?
Interpretations of fiction could still be close to reality, in universes where these things did happen, in their reality. As history. So are the things we read, watch, play all the same, in the end? Artists’ renditions, dramatised documentaries, or similar? Fiction, yet also reality.
Like ORV. Fiction, yet reality. Always both and the same.
And they always say ‘it feels like a dream’, too. What do dreams count as? Fiction, or reality? The memories stay in your head from them too. Does that mean they are or are not real?
Just some guy dreaming of the helping his friends through the apocalypse, who came out of nowhere just like Jack Dawson on that ship, walking the fine line between fiction and reality that never had any distinction to him in the first place. It’s always been both, for him, with his story.
Anyways I am crying right now so feel free to cry with me! We have many tears with all these stories and histories, I think.
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Found this in my drafts
Quick reference idea for near future (11/12/23)
“Im not good for you.”
“Tell me why?”
“…step back for a second. Just do it.”
You didn’t question him, immediately taking a step back from him. Kaine stood there with an expression sort of darkening for a second, before he jerked his hands quickly forward unsheathing spikes from his wrists. Your eyes widened slightly and your body froze. He didn’t meet your eye, just glared at the spikes.
Carefully he beckoned you back with a finger, and you listened, getting closer to him. Then you stood in front of him, bravely meeting your eye up at his 6’4 stature.
Kaine stared down at you, his breathing steadying a bit.
“Do these scare you?” He questioned quietly. He brought a stinger a bit up and dragged it slowly on the bare skin of your arm, careful and gentle. It’s smooth yet sharp edge sent a shiver down your spine. You couldn’t tell if it excited you or scared you. But you had to think rationally about this. You had to take a moment to think. Glancing at them did give you some shivers down your spine. You had to be honest about that.
“Yes.”
Kaine’s steady breathing became slightly heavier, his eyebrows knitted almost closer together. You weren’t sure if there were right answers here and the idea almost made you scared, more than his spikes. You heard him open his mouth again, and spoke with a rather hesitant hardened tone
“Do I scare you?”
You thought of all those moments you were with him. You thought of the first time you met. You knew there was more to him than just his usual grumpy attitude. He made you feel safe. You never saw a reason to feel afraid of him. Not unless he showed you this side of him. You shook your head and answered truthfully.
“No.”
You felt a bit of relief when Kaine’s shoulders slightly slumped a bit hinting the tension was already lessening.
part from the beginning
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“I left so you could stay!”
“I didn’t want to stay without you!”
Lance’s chest is heaving, and tears blur his vision. Keith looks shocked, mouth dropped open and eye blown wide. “I didn’t want to stay without you,” Lance repeats through a sob. “But you left, and I didn’t have a choice. You left me, and then so did everyone else, and I was alone, and you left me.”
“Lance,” Keith whispers, close to tears himself.
Lance breath hitches, and he can barely speak over the lump in his throat. “I never wanted you to leave. I would have followed you, but I knew you didn’t want me to. You needed to figure something out on your own, and I did my best to accept that, but you broke my heart, Keith. There was nothing I wanted or needed more than to be at your side but I wasn’t worthy of you.”
“Lance,” Keith begs again, reaching over to cup his face. “You were always worthy, okay? Always. You never had to earn my respect, or fight for a place at my side. It was always yours to take. We’re equals. There’s no one I need more than you. When I left… I was struggling. I was afraid. I was afraid of my past and my future and I was afraid of what I wanted to be with you. Of what I already was with you. I didn’t know how to handle myself, and when you came to me worried about five lions and six paladins I thought I had a solution. But I was wrong. I was scared and I made the wrong choice. But,” Keith wipes Lance’s tears with his thumbs, pressing their foreheads together. “I want to fix things. You and me. I’ll do anything, Lance. Anything to earn back your trust, your love.”
“You don’t have to do anything,” Lance sobs. “You just have to stay.”
Keith cradles Lance’s head to his chest, and he goes willingly, clutching Keith’s shirt in clenched fists. “I’ll stay,” he promises, petting Lance’s hair as he cries. “For the rest of my life, until the end of my days, Lance McClain, I will stay with you.”
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Wait, you write actual wf fics? Send them to me, I'd be more than happy to read and give feedback on them!
i do!! i always tag them under "#derelict drabbles" for ease of access but i also have about seven unproofed pieces plus a misguided backburner crossover i've been daydreaming about, so those should end up popping up soon!
of course, if anyone has a Concept that they want to toss my way so i can see what takes shape in the word processor, i always find that a lot of fun, too!
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