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frevandrest · 7 months

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Understanding 18th Century

There's a prevailing problem I've noticed in interpreting frev: people not really understanding that this was 18th century. Oh, they understand it on an intellectual level, but they still apply today's worldview to it. And you can't do that if you wish to understand wtf was going on.

(This is not about anyone here nor a shade at anyone in particular. Just a trend I've noticed, especially in bad takes).

All historical periods have this problem where people interpret things from the point of view of our own time. So that's hardly special about frev and 18c. But a tricky part is that 18c saw the development of things that we still use today (constitutions, voting system, etc.) that it may seem like it's more similar to our world than it actually was.

For example. The voting system. They had it and so do we. Except they were assholes who didn't allow women to vote. (Which is fair criticism, but people often forget that not all men had the right to vote either - so any criticism of exclusion should take that into account. Was it really about women per se, or about their ideas on who can and cannot make a free and rational vote? What is that they saw wrong about women and certain men voting? - Their attitude sure sucks, but if we ask these questions we understand better what was going on vs just going "sexist men", which only explains part of the issue). Or: journalism. They had political slander and so do we. But uuugh, their slander was so openly personal and often ridiculed someone's looks/sexual practices in supposedly serious political attacks - wtf was that? Or: trials. Of course we all know how trials are supposed to be done and what kind of arguments/evidence they should include. The fact they focused so much on character slander is incorrect and ridiculous, and...

Stop. Instead of assuming that they "did it incorrectly", think about: 1) how we do these things today is a product of decades/centuries of development; they didn't have that. They were only inventing it for the first time. 2) They did stuff according to their cultural beliefs. If they focused so much on character assassination as an argument, it means it was significant for their worldview.

You might not like it (and fair enough) but it's not possible to understand what was going on unless we understand how they thought and what they knew and what their worldview was. Which is not easy. It's not simply about knowing the state of scientific thought or what they believed about the world. Understanding how this affected the way they thought and how they interpreted things, or how they build meaning and conclusions - none of that is easy. But we have to question our assumptions, even if we're unable to see things from their pov. Because that's the only way not to arrive at wrong conclusions.

Similarly, many terms what they used had a different meaning to how they are used today (or, at least, they were understood in ways dissimilar to how we use them). Concepts such as despotism, tyranny, dictator, terror; also some seemingly easy to understand terms like "being a moderate" or even "patriotism". If we assume 18th century people used them in the same way that we do, we won't be able to understand wtf they are talking about.

#this is not about 18c or frev specifically #but it's a good example #many bad takes about frev include this lack of understanding #coupled with interpreting past with present #and it's bad #and hey it's not just about frev #royalism too #like i am not a fan of louis or marie antoinette but their actions too have to be interpreted from 18th century worldview #like of course they did stuff that they did #they fought for what they believed in their souls was the truth #natural hierarchies aming humans and the monarch's right to rule etc.#and many of people - not just rich and powerful- also believed that #i don't think any of that is good but it was a worldview they operated under #so to understand their actions we need to know that #or anyone's action #not to excuse it but to understand wtf was going on #because applying our understanding cannot explain it #frev #french revolution

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egophiliac · 4 months

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Please elaborate on your twst Pokémon headcannons I’m very interested

I had planned on drawing everyone for this (I made a LIST!) but it. hasn't been going well. 💀 soooo here's what I have so far!

Riddle - Roserade (I was going with 'no legendaries', otherwise I would've given him a Shaymin) (and I don't think Togedemaru is actually a hedgehog or I would've given him one of those too) (...they kind of do fit though. hmm.)

Trey - Alcremie (clover/mint cream + strawberry/ruby cream)

Cater - DITTO SQUAD! DITTO SQUAD! DITTO SQUAD!

Ace - Impidimp (I feel like there's probably a better one for him, but I can't think of it)

Deuce - Scraggy (meanwhile I KNOW deep in my heart that this is true)

Leona - Pyroar (but like. a nasty Pyroar. just a grizzly old Pyroar with the shittiest attitude imaginable. they pretend to hate each other but secretly they are a bonded pair, do not separate)

#art #twisted wonderland #pokemon #poketwst #i'm trying not to pressure myself too much art-wise right now #but i would like to do more of the characters!#(especially considering this started with my insistence that malleus would have a dragapult)#gotta draw something i don't immediately hate first ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ #ANYWAY enough art angst!#i'm not aiming for full teams or delving too deep into lore or anything #just one or two per character that i think fit!#i was pretty torn on leona for a while because pyroar is at once the obvious choice but also. not really?#(i did consider luxray and ultimately decided it doesn't really fit either)#but i kind of love Nasty Lionboy's Nasty Pyroar #i think there's probably some. like. ~royal tradition~ that they all bond with this one specific breeding line or whatever #and leona deliberately chose just the absolute worst one #took one look at this shitty rude pokemon and immediately went 'that one'#falena was like 'are...are you SURE' and leona cops an attitude like 'i'm choosing my OWN pokemon you're not my DAD'#as pyroar is actively attempting to eat him #actually it probably tried to eat kifaji first and that's when leona decided he liked it #me: this is just for funsies i'm not doing lore (writes a whole fanfic in the tags)

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mfshipbracket · 1 year

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#surprise couple!#mf ship bracket #mf ship bracket 2023 #bonus round #kylo ren #rey #reylo #anti-reylo #star wars #unsure how to tag these i've been relying wholly on amanda's research and fandom experience.#ummmmm #king charles #royal family #camilla parker bowles #parasites in chief in their idiot hats #full credit to amanda messaging me at 4am like “i think reylo could beat king charles and camilla. food for thought”#hope u guys enjoy <3 #like i said. this is my little thought experiment #anti reylo tag here like . do we need anti monarchy too. sorry this one is hateful

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porrigens · 1 month

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ryuji kisses for kiss ryuji day!

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wasabi-gumdrop · 6 days

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Kabru has a secret admirer in the castle!

#running from my responsibilities (drawing armour) by imagining post canon Kabru fashion #minor spoilers in the tags!#royal advisor Kabru’s office is probably overflowing with gifts from foreign dignitaries eyeing him up for marriage #and sacks of perfumed letters from Melini citizens #Marcille would be so sick of it #Laios also has his fair share of proposals #Yaad is like … boys spare us all and pick a suitable candidate already #well Yaad there’s a saying that goes two birds one stone #anyway lol #someone might have suggested to Laios ‘hey Kabru works so hard. you should show your appreciation.’#Laios (blushing sweating): uuuh how do i do that #Marcille probably: i hear it’s customary to give your royal advisor flowers the same colour as their beautiful blue eyes #Laios: well if you say so #but he starts having second thoughts bcs what if the gift is too romantic #so then Laios is like oh i know i just won’t sign it (:#fool proof plan Laios good job #totally not taking into account that Kabru can recognize his penmanship at a first glance #so at their next meeting Kabru is like ‘i wonder who my secret admirer in the castle is 😉’#and Laios sweats so hard he falls out of his throne #doesn’t Kabru of Melini have a nice ring to it #better yet …. Kabru Touden #much to consider #dungeon meshi #dungeon meshi spoilers #kabru #kabru of utaya #labru #if you squint #wasabi doodles

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tenjoura · 8 months

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🤠👓❤️🥵🔥

#the fact Alex contact name on Henry's phone “Alex❤” is just too cute I'm crying (from Casey's ama)#Alex❤#red white and royal blue #first prince #fanart #my art #rwrb movie #nicholas galitzine #taylor zakhar perez #rwrb fanart #firstprince #RWRB

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ninzied · 8 months

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henry, you were saying?

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ca-3 · 2 months

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twitter is distracting cause i keep saving tweets to draw... anyway, this is MakoHaru to me 🤭

(Bonus: big sis is here to help....?)

#persona 5 #persona 5 royal #ca3 art #makoto niijima #haru okumura #comic #makoharu #??#QueenNoir #okujima #this ship is so hard to tag #also this got WAY too popular on twitter for some reason... got 33k likes and im still in shock why and how #i think the sapphics were relating too hard but honestly same #sae niijima #kinda salty it got so popular cause its now my most popular tweet and i low key half assed this comic 😭 but glad ppl thought it was funny

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aledlastbestie · 2 months

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-Interviewer: How did you make the prince fall in love with you?

-Simón: Not much, I just told him to his face that I hate his family and everything they represent and he was like "that's hot"

#this is a stupid tweet of mine that I thought was funny so I wanted to post it here too #simon young royals #prince wilhelm #wilhelm young royals #simon eriksson #interview #yr s3 #young royals season 3 #wilmon #young royals #simon #simon x wilhelm #crown prince wilhelm #wilhelm x simon #omar rudberg

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asfodeltide · 1 month

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#goro akechi #crow #persona 5 royal #persona 5 #persona #mine #id in alt #I'll make my way through all of my >6 month old Persona art eventually I PROMISE (Draws too much for my own good)

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yrsonpurpose · 8 months

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RED, WHITE & ROYAL BLUE — Casey McQuiston, page 104

#rwrbedit #rwrb #red white and royal blue #alex claremont diaz #henry fox mountchristen windsor #rwrbgifs #mine*#firstprince #usernuria #usermaloune #usersteen #lgbtedit #lgbtq #yeah.gif #he talked the big talk at the gala just to be constantly man handled by henry #the way alex always has this shocked look on his face too #kills me every time

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findafight · 3 months

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Funniest part of Charles having cancer is that my grandpa might live to see his fourth British coronation

#finda’s rambles #british royal family #not to take pleasure in someone’s misfortune buuuuuuut #he’s 97 and scoffed when commentators said it was a once in a lifetime event for some #and said it was his third. ok grandpa. show Charles who’s boss #king charles #king charles cancer #I guess I should tag so people can block this too #cancer isn’t funny but a man who has been born into privilege that has said eco fash shit and doesn’t believe in modern medication…well…#a car crash would be better though. just. y’know.

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elnotwoods · 2 months

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so the queen gets to step back because of her mental breakdown thus putting more pressure on Wille when Wille wasn’t even allowed to properly mourn the loss of his brother and adjust to his new royal title… sounds about right

#i know she lost her son.. her firstborn and in a tragic accident #no parent should ever go through that #i sympathised with her in s1-2 #but they pushed wille away and isolated him #the one good thing was wille going to therapy #too bad that a lot of his character development seems to have stayed in season 2 #young royals #young royals season 3 #yr s3 spoilers #young royals sooilers #young royals s3 #yr season 3

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mulderscully · 6 months

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