Thanks for posting about the goblin/antisemitism debate. It's such a nuanced topic and I've already learned a lot from just your posts (and asks). It's great to hear everyone's opinions and I'm loving how civil and understanding everyone is being. It's refreshing to see x
Thanks! I’ve received enough responses to my post about antisemitic tropes in goblins (all very respectful, thank you) that I don’t really have the time/energy to respond to them all. So I’m going to take some time to compile all the responses I got into a Google doc so that people can use these responses in research. Feel free to keep sending them in! Adding details about your particular perspective (as a Jew/Gentile, Western/Non-Western background, etc) would be really helpful.
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https://twitter.com/Nervana_1/status/1646262493482811392?t=O3lpnJa8SR06sP2HiW3svg&s=19
*big sigh* again they decided to make a Cleopatra documentary by casting a black actress instead of a Greek or at least Mediterranean.
No hate on the actress she just did her job!, it's the producers fault for deciding that they prefer skin colour diversity or ethnicity.
I am sorry...... are Mediterranean skintones something like a canvas or a "default" color to the USAmerican producers of the movie and the platform itself?? Are we a coloring book or something to them?? We are not a people but an idea or something? The mindset behind this change is disgusting! As a Macedonian Greek I feel so repulsed by how they erase us every fucking time because they refuse to do a one-minute Google search.
Did they COMPLETELY ignore how North Mediterranean people look (Cleopatra's family was North Greek) in order to give some hollow Black "representation?" Cleopatra wasn't even Black! (And we don't consider her Brown either!) If we are at a point where racebending historical figures who were most famously Not Black is widely accepted, we really need to examine how this "historical revision" is spiraling.
Next time you hear USian media "respects culture" and it's "inclusionary" please know that this is a load of bullshit. They are ignorant and entitled still, but with a performative goodness as a cover.
On what grounds do the producers and the actors feel comfortable taking representation away from Mediterraneans? A representation we need, mind you, because as it's APPARENT, people don't know how we look!
Especially USAmericans who produce worldwide media and are responsible for the image of the Greek culture and people around the world. They have no freaking idea. They don't know how to spot us or recognize us! And they still insist on racist stereotypes from the 1920s-1940s because of almost nonexistent Greek representation (and North Greek representation)!
The Tweet is made by an Egyptian btw! And Egyptians do well to speak for the USAmericanization of their culture because they are at the same boat as us Greeks when it comes to how we are perceived worldwide due to USAmerican media.
Also since there's an overlap on how Greeks and Egyptians look, it would be fine if an Egyptian or any other Mediterranean would play her honestly. But for Cleopatra, the first person you consider is a Greek woman! (North Greek woman specifically, if you want to accurately capture the mixes of that area)
The trailer is even worse because there's a Caucasian (for a lack of a better term!) Egyptian guy saying "I imagine her like me, with curly hair" while he doesn't have Black hair. Yet the documentary pretends they somehow fulfilled his wish by casting an actress who has Black hair.
Also I think we have depictions of Cleopatra so the way you imagine her, even if you are Greek or Egyptian, you need to take this into account as a guideline. "I imagine" is not how you respectfully depict historical figures!
The point is they relied on that comment to decide she must have curly = aka Black hair. Which..... is not the case. If you go around in Curly Hair circles there are different types. And Black people also know that protective styles for their hair won't protect the curly hair of Caucasian people. I knew a few North Greeks who have this type of hair - as this guy - and they are definitely not Black.
Oh, and the actress doesn't have a skin color like this guy, he is much lighter and, according to USians, he is Brown, not Black. (I hate using the terms but whatever) The actress who plays Cleopatra, Adele James, isn't even partly Egyptian or Greek from what I know?
And the fact that the documentary depicts the Ptolemys (North Greeks) and North Egyptians as Black USians (African Americans)?? The people in these lands.... don't look like this! Just GO to these places and see the people living there, SEE their ancient depictions that give us images of people in these lands thousands of years back! The fucking audacity and the outright racism to assume things about how people look just from stereotypes, and then sell that for money!
Then we have this random woman from the US... They use a quote from her "No matter what they tell you in school, Cleopatra was Black". Sure... Sure fam
How tf is it acceptable to take a shit on the effort of the Greek and Egyptian huge archaeological teams and expertise by saying "ACTUALLY, you guys don't know your own history! You are primitive and you cannot POSSIBLY have the tools or the knowledge to examine how Cleopatra looked!"
Anyways, take some faithful reconstructions of Cleopatra, based on her depictions, where she looks Mediterranean and Greek!
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The way other nb Latines (and non black people in general) on this site stay calling Black people (and mind you not only Black people in the US) "yankee" and shit for their upset... why not just be direct and refer EXACTLY to who and what you're refering to without being a pussy....
Like in reference to debate on the Motaz video possibly being taken out of context or mistranslated, most of the people I saw upset were Sudanese as well, not just Black Americans. It's not some great fucking conspiracy of "cancel culture" to come to the possible conclusion of antiblackness when your community is consistently used as the worlds fucking punching bag despite many of us as nb poc denying that and perpetuating that behavior.
Plus multiple of the people I saw addressing this never said Motaz deserves anything bad happening to him, or talked about dismissing his experiences, work, advocacy for his people or that of all Palestinians, or talked about throwing him to the wolves or whatever. They simply were just expressing dissapointment or reminding people of the importance of Black and Palestinian solidarity despite the issue. But to act like Black people collectively got together to "crush" him is fucking insaaanneee.
Like its unfortunate if it was a mistake and its upsetting that it could've caused others to think negatively of him; he doesn't deserve that if so. But being an antiblack loser yourself in your attempt to correct the issue is fucking stupid and disgusting.
Edit: The shit that spurred this has been given some more context as to who made it, so I wont comment further. But I want to keep this up for non black people who will probably and inevitably use the posts I saw that prompted this and the issue with Motaz to perpetuate their own antiblack agenda. That's not your fucking right to come in and use this issue to shit on Black people for their hurt or efforts to address that hurt.
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I'm not that regular on social media, but lately I've been witnessing so much of hatred between religions in my country. I'm ashamed to share this, but I was concerned. the youth of my country are wasting their most important years of their lives in promoting religious beliefs around and increasing hatred against other religions, which is very sad. and this name changing agenda... I don't know what good it will bring. it may lead to various misconceptions inside the country for various groups of people(it's already happening.) all I ask is, handle with care. this subject is kinda sensitive and fragile. just provide the awareness about the situation to people around you who are acting like racists. we are educated young people of the country. taking care of our country is our responsibility. UNITE WE WIN. DIVIDE WE FALL.
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