#it's obviously jiang cheng

[haru-with-mdzs]

Reblog this post and state your favourite mdzs character + reasons in the tags

#mdzs #mo dao zu shi #grandmaster of demonic cultivation #for me #it's obviously jiang cheng #i love the depth he has to his character #jiang cheng who was fucking mad at wei wuxian because wei wuxian didn't want to share his problems with him #jiang cheng who was the youngest in the family with absolutely no experience with children raising jin ling #jiang cheng who was barely twenty when he rebuilt lotus pier #jiang cheng who really lived up to his parents' expectations in the end #i just love him so much #i get that some people don't like him because he wasn't willing to help the wens #he's a sect leader with responsibilities #he would have supported his brother if he wasn't one #he's my comfort character and everytime i read book 5 where he breaks down in guanyin temple i just cry so much #will be adding more in the future because this is about jiang cheng and this much isn't enough

[poorly-drawn-mdzs]

I'm a doctor, not a miracle worker.

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#poorly drawn mdzs #mdzs #wen ning #wei wuxian #wen qing #jiang cheng #Truly Massive disclaimer here: I am a Jiang Cheng enjoyer. I like his character. I enjoy that he is very flawed and volatile. #This episode of the audio drama has a lot of great breakdown scenes featuring JC - and they all deserve a feature. #But underlying this comic is a small meta comment of 'ah man I have too many comics of JC just wailing sadly' #My goal is to draw 6-8 comics per episode - I sometimes have to truncate and cut good scenes out. #Especially when a large majority is just different flavours of trauma and toxic relationships to your self-worth. #I would also like to make a note here that just because you lose the ability to do something that is very tied to your core identity- #-does not mean your life is over. It will feel like the end of the world. It will send you into a spiral of grief. It will hurt so badly. #Sometimes we do not realize how tied up our identities can be in certain things until we are cut loose. #You don't lose yourself. I promise the pain will fade in time. I promise you will find other things to tether you. I promise you will be ok #Life moves forwards. Time moves forwards. You move forwards. #Ego death just means an opportunity for ego rebirth. You are never committed to being the same person forever. #To wrap this around to JC: Yeah I love the twist with the core transfer but man I would have loved to see JC accept the loss. #Obviously it happens for a reason (story) but I can have my AUs. I can have these 'what-ifs'. #described in alt text #I'm trying it out! *please* give me feedback - I want to eventually Add image ID to all of these comics one day

[benevolenterrancy]

finally in the process of reading the Guanyin Temple scene and holy shit if WWX isn't the protagonist of all time. We're in the Big Final Confrontation and so far my man has done fuck all except cuddle in LWJ's lap while everyone else is losing their shit and when he DOES finally do something he summons an army of naked, writhing, moaning sex corpses that even his allies just desperately wish Were Not There. stupendous, no notes

#this is the funniest possible Big Final Battle so far i have no idea how it'll end but so far i am LIVING for it #wwx and lwj are 100% committed to just cuddling through this and i love that for them why have i not once heard how funny this scene is #mdzs #wangxian #mdzs spoilers #the untamed spoilers #wei wuxian #wwx #lan wangji #lwj #jin guangyao #lan xichen #jiang cheng #jin ling #jgy #lxc #guanyin temple #my art #obviously tbf it's also a very well written and emotional scene too like yes it is also intense #jiang cheng and wei wuxian's confrontation was just *chefs kiss* heartbreaking well done team #kinda wanna slap lan xichen for being the dumbest bitch in the room but fine he is going through a lot atm #poor jin ling is trying his best and having a horrible time #i'm not convinced that wwx even cares that much about jgy besides for him a) trying to kill his friends/family #and b) making it actively harder for him to cuddle lwj #assume nhs is also there but like out of frame because that's basically how he's playing things atm anyway

[barawrah]

800 year old martial god causes problems on purpose by kidnapping the heir of a great sect . or something

#the story goes that if u abuse your child xuan zhen will gut you with his hundred inch sabre btw #but of course its all rumours obviously a god wouldnt kidnap a child for no reason :) of course #what do u mean the heir of ymj actually disappeared and his parents were slaughtered #whatever could have happened #anyway baby jc meeting the rest of the family ^_^) guy in red looks intriguing #guy in white looks so nice his lap is perfect seat and jc Will sit there #why does the third guy think jc will chew up jc is a good boy 😞 he warms up eventually #chew Him up . ugh #and guy who is mother is warm and makes jc feel loved . and its so great #they live happily ever after #meeting bflf would look insane so thats for later #this is all i could think of while sickdying so here u have it they make me very happy #art tag #tgcf #mdzs #jiang cheng #hua cheng #mu qing #xie lian #feng xin #fengqing #hualian #tian guan ci fu #mo dao zu shi

[winepresswrath]

tbh all jiang cheng ships are hypothetically good to me because jiang cheng is just so not in a good place for dating or marriage. no one should wife him up which is why anyone wifing him up has great comedy potential. it is a situation you're putting him in where he's forced to cope with intimacy and the possibility of betrayal or rejection. he's going be thinking about his parents' marriage except for the times he's going to be thinking about his sister and his redacted. and also there is the potential for someone to die horribly and leave him alone with a baby. again.

#tagging this with one of my more controversial opinions which is that while we the readers are basically told that the rumours are false #and wei wuxian believes the rumours are false #from jiang cheng's perspective wei wuxian is schrödinger's brother in like three different ways #one of them literal! does he trust that his dad didn't cheat on his mom: no. obviously #does he trust that wei wuxian's mom wouldn't cheat on her husband? he doesn't know her and he doesn't have wwx's attachment to the idea of #her #so anyway legally no biologically maybe emotionally REDACTED #ps yanli said so in public once REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED #maybe he'll think about wc and wzl a little #because you know. snuggles on the lotus pier throne #maybe had something going on with his mom #came into his house and did things to his body that can't be undone #yanli... like the yanli issues are so depressing but if he somehow married and it was somehow not a disaster #always the possibility of being torn from him by death

[eldestjane]

I won’t say that Jiang Cheng and Wei Wuxian have the the most normal sibling relationship because there is literally nothing “normal” about these two codependent weirdos (affectionate) but out of all the siblings I would say they probably have the most typical and perhaps easily recognizable sibling dynamic. Like the Lan and Nie siblings are obviously very close but there’s an element of parentification and also just the age gap that affects that dynamic (and the same goes for Jiang Yanli and her brothers). But with Jiang Cheng and Wei Wuxian it’s just like - “I’m going to tease you mercilessly but if someone else is mean to you I’ll kill them” and “I won’t share my soup with you but I would give you my kidney” (Or golden core as may be the case). And it’s just like yeah they’re brothers all right.

#like obviously there are many ways to be siblings #and i love all of the untamed siblings #this isn't me trying to “rank” sibling dynamics or anything #i mean i wouldn't say my relationship with my own brother is that similar even #but sometimes when I was watching these two I could have sworn my brother and I had some of the same exact conversations #anyways i'm obsessed with them #jiang cheng #wei wuxian #the untamed #yunmeng siblings #yunmeng bros #twin prides of yunmeng

[piosplayhouse]

Yunmeng gender reveal

#no one start discourse on this jts for wwxs prank channel obviously #please watch the linked video its SO FUNNY #i love the gender reveal parodies so much #mdzs #mo dao zu shi #jiang cheng #wwx #wei wuxian #jc #my art #yunmeng bros

[slythmultishipper]

"Jiang Cheng never thought of Wei Wuxian as an equal or a brother because he never explicitly stated it."

Oh no, its almost as if there is someone who continuously scolds them for hanging out together much less refer to each other as equals....

its also as if them referring to each other as that could possibly add fuel to existing rumours which could potentially ruin their family life.

#jiang cheng #canon jiang cheng #always hilarious to me when some people use this as an example of Jiang Cheng seeing Wei Wuxian as just a servant to sacrifice #like sure dude #I also jump in front of my mom's whip to save my servant #I also sacrifice my life and basically my family's future for my servant #all while not thinking of them as my equal or even respecting them #everyone does that obviously #you think Yu Ziyuan wouldn't immediately qi deviate when she hears them call each other brothers? #but hey #what do I know #I'm just a girl with no reading comprehension.

[sonik-kun]

"Jiang Cheng would have been involved in the attack on the Burial Mounds even without the death of sister"

For context, this all takes place AFTER JZX was killed. From JC's pov that was all 100% WWX's fault (bear in mind, WWX does have some culpability with his death. He lost control because of his unrestrained resentment for JZX. Sooo).

Was JC not supposed to do anything? Just sit there and twiddle his thumbs? Object to the siege entirely, perhaps? How do you think that would have looked to the rest of the CW? It would have been very suspicious if he didn't take part in eliminating a potential threat to the CW. Especially when said threat was once a part of his sect and KILLED his brother in law. Wouldn't they think it is strange that he refused to take part and get revenge on behalf of his sister??

If he did object or refused to take part, the rest of the CW would have grown even more suspicious of him. And the Jiang sect would have had a huuuuuuge target on their backs next. Especially giving how power hungry the Jins were becoming.

It was a very difficult situation he was put in. Not one he could easily talk his way out of. We've seen him try to numerous times even before things escalated to vouch for WWX and even once for the Wen siblings. And we all saw how that went down. Do you seriously think he could talk his way out of this one? After a sect heir had been slaughtered by his former SiC? Come on now.

All of this is why we see JC desparing so much because he is watching his brother spiral and spiral, and all he can do is watch on helplessly, for it is beyond his power to save him.

WWX kept so much from JC. He sided with the sect that almost wiped out his own and then goes on to inadvertently kill his brother in law. How do you think that must have looked to JC? How JC must have felt?? Let's be real here and look at things from his pov. Because I feel as though some of yall are failing to do so.

To JC, WWX had become unhinged and out of control. But even after the death of JZX, JC still seemed to desperately hold onto hope for his brother. He exclaims when he's holding his dying sister in his arms, "I thought you said you could control it?!"

That says to me that JC had faith in his brother that he could fix all this up until JYL was caught up in it all.

If you look at things from JC's pov, you'll see how bad things looked for WWX. How culpable he appeared throughout it all. And when you take that into consideration and realise that JC doesn't have all the information we as the reader are privileged to have, we can easily see why he came to such a conclusion.

It was either WWX or the lives of hundreds in his sect. JC chose to protect the many. And that doesn't make him a terrible person. Nor does it make him a terrible brother. He did all he could for WWX. But to him, WWX had made his bed, and so he should lay in it.

#canon jiang cheng #jiang cheng #jiang wanyin #mxtx mdzs #mo dao zu shi #mdzs #the untamed #to be clear im not bashing wwx here #i obviously know he isnt 100% culpabale and was a victim in all this too #but failing to see jc as a victim in the whole mess is just failing to understand him and the plot im sorry #his pov is very important because it explains all of his reactions towards wwx when he returns from the dead #these highly crtical jc posts always seem to lack any context on regards to his character #and i think it's very disingenuous to withold the details in his character assessments #plus its doing the character a huge disservice #jc loved wwx and wwx loved jc #thats why the events in the book destroyed them so much and why jc found it difficult to let wwx go #stop taking away all these facts away from him just to spread your anti jc agenda #it's annoying and disingenuous af

[trans-xianxian]

saw a post about how jiang cheng isn't selfish because he's done all of this stuff for his loved ones and it's like yeah. jiang cheng loves very deeply and that's. exactly why he's selfish. jiang cheng being selfish doesn't equal jiang cheng being heartless or unloving. his goals are to selfishly keep his loved ones, most notably wei wuxian, to himself at the expense of their own personal autonomy. when jiang cheng goes to the burial mounds and begs wei wuxian to give the wen remnants up and come home, he does it because he loves him, but he also does it because he's a selfish coward who puts his own wants for wei wuxians safety and companionship above wei wuxians personal wishes and the lives of the wens. these things are not mutually exclusive in fact they are intricately connected

#obviously wanting someone to be safe and together with you is not selfish on its own #but demanding they achieve that by abandoning their goals #instead of by finding a way to help them and keep them safe #is #and I don't blame jiang cheng for not being able to help #just like I don't blame lan wangji for the same thing #but jiang cheng IS selfish. deeply so. that doesn't mean he doesn't care for others #or that he never acts selflessly #I can think of many times he acts selflessly! and yet he is still selfish #jiang cheng stans please free yourself from the belief tgat he has to be perfect in order for you to love him he Does kind of suck #and thats good it adds flavor #ghost posts #text #jc #wwx #yunmeng bros

[grassbreads]

Also on the subject of Mochijun and master/servant relationships, I remember seeing MDZS takes a few times that draw on the idea that Jiang Cheng wanting Wei Wuxian to be his right hand man (and therefore arguably subservient) their whole lives means he looked down on him, and I just. I read Pandora Hearts at a formative age and fictional master/servant relationships have been irreparably romanticized in my brain forever now. Sorry if the same thing didn't happen to you.

Even if Wei Wuxian did end up as Jiang Cheng's right hand man and/or servant, I know it would've turned into a "you work for me, so that means it's my job to protect and be devoted to you" type deal. A mutual obsessive devotion in which the power dynamics have become a bizarre web. Or at least that's what JC dreamt of. You read enough Mochijun manga at age 14/15 and those dynamics just come naturally to you.

#it's okay JC I see you I understand you #I think Jiang Cheng should read pandora hearts. I think that would do something to him #wwx too for that matter #and yeah OBVIOUSLY I know this same framework doesn't apply to every fictional servant situation. but when it does. man #VERY similar vibes too from zy and bl from ts #I think my guy bl would be right at home among the likes of gil wil and jj #invasion of the frogs

[spriteofmushrooms]

He only has two arms. 🥺

#mdzs #jiang cheng #canon jiang cheng #my art #used sumi ink; watercolors; water based markers; and gouache. then i fucked up his hand real bad and decided nothing mattered anyway #obviously yanli resolves this by carrying little love for him #mdzs fanart #jiang cheng fanart #also his skin tone looks much better in person but alas i have an android phone

[poorly-drawn-mdzs]

This was home.

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#poorly drawn mdzs #mdzs #wei wuxian #jiang cheng #blood #Good bye Jiang Disciples. May you live on in the Lan Wangji in lotus pier AU. #This is going to be the start of a bunch of sad scenes I desperately try to undercut with humour. #You may ask where Elle Woods is considering her help was requested. #The canon answer is that she didn't make it there in time. This is the reason why WWX has the pink phone in present day. #It is a favour she owes him out of apology. #I am also making it canon that Jiang Cheng hates Elle Woods for not being there. His two Nemeses in PD-MDZS are Elle and WWX. #This is why Jiang Cheng doesn't have the phone. He would hunt her down but Bruiser bit him really bad last time he tried. #His pride is too hurt to try again. #I don't think I've done a wordless comic in a while - what a fun challenge! #I'm getting lots of practice with backgrounds in the last few comics - I really feel like I'm getting more comfortable with it! #Obviously I still have a long way to go but this is a journey B*)

[fubuwu]

Seeing people call jc an incel will always confuse me because like.... do they understand what being an incel means?

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Incels despise women because they think they owe them sex and consider themselves too ugly and inferior to be pursued by the opposite sex.

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Jc has never shown any desire to be with the opposite sex. He reads as being ace if anything. He's always been repulsed by the notion of love, romance and pdas and has never once proclaimed that women owe him sex. He doesn't seem interested in pursuing women at all, nor does he blame women for the worlds problems or treat them with disrespect. He blames most of the problems on wwx. He's wwx-ist if anything XD (jk).

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Honestly, I'd say he's voluntarily celibate. He could realistically get any girl he wants and knows it, but he simply doesn't choose to. I honestly don't think he has any interest in getting wed tbh.

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As for the marriage requirements, loads of men had those at that time and honestly, they weren't that unrealistic. Plus, I'm pretty sure they were never a main part of the text and just a joke mxtx came up with as to why he's still single. I find it infeasible that a handsome, powerful, rich man like him is single when arranged marriages exist in that universe, as seen with jfm and madame yu. A woman hating, incel would no doubt use that to their advantage and force marriage on any women they desire. Jc has the ability to do that giving his status and yet he doesn't. He doesn't even seek out comfort from women in brothels. Therefore, I can't see him having a hatred and disrespect for women when this notion also exists.

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Incels also have zero respect for women in general including the ones in their lives. Their hatred often starts with their own mothers in fact. Jc obviously doesn't hate his mother or his sister. He cares deeply for them, in fact. Why else would he mourn them and be willing to stick up for his sister whenever people bad mouth her if he was a vile woman hater?

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Idk I just think the incel claims are completely baseless. He is not angry and displeased because he is alone and single nor is he angry at women. His anger is all solely on wwx, the wens and dc in the book. It has never been towards women.

#canon jiang cheng #jiang cheng #mo dao zu shi #mxtx mdzs #Jc is not an incel #He can get it any time and he knows that #He's just obviously not interested #And that's fair #Respect to my ace King #This is my stance on it anyway #If you disagree just either block or ignore #I won't engage if you make rude or snide remarks as I've seen as of late #I've been polite and respectful in my counter posts and never use them to bring hate onto others #I expect the same from anyone with differing opinions

[labyrynth]

mdzs fandom truly is remarkable. some of y’all’s opinions on consent are fucking deplorable tho and if this is how you think consent actually works i’m getting the authorities on speed dial.

#moi #mdzs talk #jiang cheng #canon jiang cheng #(because some of y’all need to hear it) #lemme tell u i do NOT want to know what y’all’s opinions on consent re: sex are #because if you apply literally ANY of this to sex. you are describing rape. #and of course as soon as y’all consider that you’ll start backpedaling and going ‘well obviously i don’t support rape!! that’s horrible!!!’ #‘how could you accuse people of such things?!?’ #BECAUSE CONSENT IS CONSENT. IF YOU HAD TO LIE TO GET CONSENT #(including lying by omission) #THEN YOU DID NOT RECIEVE CONSENT #salt is salt

[ultfreakme]

Love how major Jiang Cheng ships are just highly oedipal or highly electra. Like he was crushing on Wen Qing who’s as severe and direct as Yu Ziyuan and then there’s his biggest ship with Lan Xichen who’s as pleasant and polite as Jiang Fengmian. A good chunk of us can agree that Jiang Cheng has some kinda mommy/daddy issues at all times.

#jiang cheng #it's just FUNNY to me that the two BIGGEST ships for Jiang Cheng just went 'ah yes he has problems with his parents that are reflecting- #on his other personal relationships' #Wei Wuxian watching WQ and JC interact and JC and LXC interact is likely very similar of 'oh this is wonderful......wait a minute-' #now you might be wonderign where nie huaisang- his other big ships fits into this #this is obviously about his shidi wei wuxian issues #'Wdym elaborate long term revenge was an option?'