#todorokis

[beachbeibi]

Lost & Found part 3

(Quirkless AU ft. Todosiblings, big bro Touya and Dabihawks but it’s complicated )

#touya todoroki #todoroki siblings #todosiblings #todorokis #shouto todoroki #mha #bnha #my hero academia #dabi #takami keigo #bnha hawks #beibiart #lost and found au

[tsukk1]

i’m so normal about baby shouto and big brother touya

#wow i love the infulx of todofam art #most especially baby shou #todoroki touya #todoroki shouto #shouto #touya #todorokis #bro how else do u tag this #todoroki #mha #bnha #boku no hero academia #my hero academia #i love them my little pookies #brotherhood au #baby shouto #my art #don't u all think they would probably look the most alike out of all the sibs .. #also shouto is a true youngest sibling in the sense that he copies everything touya does

[villainsandvictimsalliance]

"Touya tried to kill Shouto..." HE WAS A CHILD.

Kids don't have a grasp on the extension of the consequences of their own actions. They don't have the faculty to make certain decisions for a very good reason. Especially if they come from an abusive or dysfunctional household.

Touya probably thought "if this new baby is gone dad is going to love me again" and I can't stress how common that thought is in older siblings who are jealous or feel neglected.

Siblings hurt each other all the time for multiple reasons and this particular kid could manipulate fucking fire.

Touya trying to kill Shouto is supposed to be a representation of how fucked up was the Enji's dream if he cornered his older child into feeling he needed to murder his younger sibling in order to take back his father's attention.

It's a representation of the failure of the parents, not the fucking kids.

It's "you should have known there was something really wrong back there and you ignored it like you ignored everything else, so now we're here".

#bnha #mha #boku no hero academia #my hero academia #Todorokis #Touya Todoroki #Toya todoroki #todoroki shouto #Shoto Todoroki #Bnha spoilers #Mha spoilers #Bnha s6 #Bnha season 6

[transhawks]

A Coward Called Endeavor

I'm wary of wading into the discourse because I'm seeing the unhinged bs my friends are getting, but from my viewpoint I think people miss something important about Dabi-Enji-Shouto and Enji's role in saving Touya -

Enji only tried to be an actual father for one of them and it wasn't Shouto.

No, I know that sounds crazy but we had a toddler whose immediate reaction to seeing his father was being upset and alert that the father would bully his mother. Shouto has never seen Enji the Father, he's only seen a monster named Endeavor.

That's important. Natsuo, heck, Fuyumi to some extent since she was really Rei's girl, none of them had this:

We only see this smirk head on in the manga, but I think this anime shot put it into perspective for me what I'd been mulling over for years, too uncomfortable with the simple truth of what's going on here:

The only Todoroki child who had Enji as a father was Touya.

For a brief few years, Touya was the apple of his eye. And, no, he wasn't replaced with Shouto, not in Enji's eyes. Because Enji uses the word livestock for Shouto. Because Enji was an aggressor from the beginning with Shouto. There was never a moment where this simple sort of moment, a little boy looking up into his father's prideful face as he copied his movements, happened between any of Enji's children besides Touya.

That's why Dabi's like this. It's harder for him to forget Endeavor when he isn't Shouto; he was never "an extension" of Endeavor's drive, but for a short period, he was treated as his actual son before he was thrown away.

So - what does this even mean? Why is it important that the only one with an actual "father" until Endeavor got some sense knocked into him via seeing the Pillar of Peace crumble is Touya?

Because it means Todoroki Enji is a fucking coward, that's what.

We know he's ran away from facing his failures time and time again, but never is more indicative of his cowardice when he got too scared to be a father and decided he wouldn't be. You see, that's why the other three didn't have him as a father - he doesn't know what being a father is. It's likely his own father died on the job, and so the associations of fatherhood in Enji's mind are just... being a hero. Being good at your job, so your kids can be proud of you. The actual parenting, the supporting your child, all that was too much for him.

This is Enji giving up, tail between his legs. He doesn't know how to be anything but "Endeavor", so he's not even going to try.

I really feel like people missed Rei calling him out here. He's running away from his duties and responsibilities to be a father. He fucked up with Touya and doesn't know how to fix it, so he runs off, and ignores all his other kids, and then just trains Shouto like a tool and an extension of himself. He lost his mind and saw his youngest as a simple extension of himself, like a hand or a leg. But when he looked at Touya, once, he saw a person.

A person he failed so many times. Failed to father, then failed to save.

I have a lot more to say about this on Dabi's point of view that also discusses the nuances Western readers aren't getting (like the ie system and his place in it), but when people say that they don't think Endeavor needs to do anything in this Dabi-saving discourse, I think they're forgetting that time and time again we've been shown that Todoroki Enji is a coward and if Horikoshi is serious about any resolution to this man and his "redeeming", it's about time he finally stops being one and faces his fucking son.

All of this has been leading up to him realizing it's nothing but himself that has caused this. That his own cowardice and hatred of himself has torn apart his family. That it's not about him as a hero.

These are the words of a man ready to finally start start being a dad, guys. Took him a quarter of a century.

A caveat: many of us have issues on the Doylist aspect of all this. I've said a few times that most of you are less upset about how Endeavor is being redeemed but the fact he's being redeemed at all, and I get it! The question is always about whether we need more narratives in media of abusers getting redemption, of victimized children reconciling with their parents. I agree fully that those of us who choose to not reconcile, who are unable due to the parents' beliefs or decisions anyway, are underrepresented in media. I know we want to see people like Dabi move on, stop hoping for a man who never knew how to show love for him to love him and apologize. Most of us, in real life, just give up and find love and healing outside of our parents. In many ways, it's healthier to go minimal or low contact with parents like Enji.

But I think that's not the story Horikoshi wants to write. He's writing what is essentially a trauma vent-work and wish fufillment all in one. In his fantastical world, families like the Todoroki one can reconcile, abusers can apologize and strive to make amends. It might be because he wishes this was the case more so than the reality that abuse victims know. He's made missteps with the Todoroki narrative yes, but I don't think what amounts to wish fulfillment on Horikoshi's part is bad-writing just because it's wish fufillment. It's just a very "happy-ending" solution to issues that in real life aren't going to usually see them and I think a lot of us are sick of them.

So, just keep that in mind when people say Dabi needs Endeavor involved. Enji created this problem, he has to fix it, not Shouto. You can't have a Touya at peace with his family if Endeavor gets to shirk his responsibility and keep being a coward.

#endeavor #endeavor tw #enji todoroki #todorokis #my meta #just something quick

[linphd]

not having a good day + I just saw a tiktok abt THOSE chapters y’know ahah anyways Horikoshi take me instead 🙏🏻

#alice rambles #mha #bnha #my hero academia #boku no hero academia #dabi #touya Todoroki #Todoroki touya #Todorokis

[redphlox]

Dabi wasn't trying to look for acknowledgement from Endeavor but acknowledgement for his existence. This is more about him look for a reason for his existence.

*dusts off the good ol’ askbox* Hiya thanks for the ask!

This statement is trying to diminish Endeavor’s role as Dabi’s motivation, and I don’t agree. 

Yes Dabi/Touya wanted acknowledgment of his existence. Whose acknowledgment did Touya want? Endeavor's. And his family's.

Everything Touya has done since his quirk started hurting him has revolved around regaining his father’s attention. He wants his father to look at him again. Touya has said so, and even Rei has said so (302). He wanted and still wants his father’s acknowledgment. He wants it so badly he has been self-harming since he was around 4 years old. He trained in secret for years to re-earn that attention, burst into literal lethal flame tears when his father didn’t show up to see him at Sekoto Peak, woke up from a coma making up an excuse as to why his father didn’t arrive and went home to see him and the rest of the family, and then decided to stay dead when he saw that the person who dominates their family - Endeavor - hadn’t changed. And now he has spent the last 10 years plotting to ruin Endeavor. Why? Because it hurt that his own father didn’t want or care about him because Touya loved HIM so much. Touya thought the love was unreciprocated. Dabi even tried to kill Shouto multiple times now - why? Because Dabi wants Endeavor to notice him for once. 

I’m not sure what else to say. Touya is just like any other kid IRL who feels like a giant disappointment to their parent. That shit stings. But, Touya wasn’t the kid who went out of their way to continue pissing off their parent by becoming the exact opposite of what their parent expected. No, Touya dug in his heels and tried incredibly hard to meet his father’s standards until he died. I’d even make the argument that he’s STILL trying to meet his father’s standards. He’s using Endeavor’s mentality that hotter flames = stronger and copying his moves. Touya is self-destructing because his father abused him, and to say that Touya doesn’t want his father’s acknowledgment ironically erases that trauma because his trauma IS being neglected, and he WANTS closure by being seen.

Look. Touya wants his dad, and the core of that feeling is love - wanting to be loved by his father via acknowledgment and allowed to show his love for his father via training and going into the same profession as him. But it was never only about heroics… it was about his relationship with his father. All Dabi has talked about since 290 is family this, family that, Endeavor, father, Shouto, Endeavor Endeavor Endeavor. 

I know it’s hard to fathom. Touya yearning for the father who abused him and the entire family is hard to stomach for some readers who suffered parental abuse and therefore can’t relate to Dabi, and I understand that and I see them. Horikoshi is writing the story, and he’s made it clear that the Todoroki family will heal and come together to FINALLY be happy - and this includes both Touya and an Endeavor who is regretful and wants to be better.

#bnha #bnha asks #dabi #todorokis #touya todoroki #touya loved his dad and his dad broke his heart #touya's love for him was unconditional and it hurt and still hurts that endeavor couldn't love him the way touya needed #to say that touya doesn't want his acknowledgment is blatantly ignoring canon #todoroki #touya and endeavor

[sukustar]

So divine

#touya todoroki #dabi todoroki #dabi dance #bnha spoilers #todoroki touya #dabi my hero academia #dabi #todorokis #todoroki dabi #toya todoroki #bnha season 6 #bnha season six #bnha s6 #mha #mha season 6 #mha dabi #mha touya #mha todoroki #boku no hero academia #my hero academia #boku no hero acedamia #my hero acedamia #bnha dabi #todoroki family #dabi is touya #dabi is a todoroki

[eddies-spaghetti]

[ID: A tumblr post with the first post saying ‘ppl who celebrate fictional character birthdays are annoying pass it on’. It was then reblogged with ‘FUCK this post post happy birthday Natsuo Todoroki’. The words Natsuo Todoroki were obviously edited in, replacing the name the person had said originally. End ID.]

#bnha #mha #todoroki natsuo #natsuo todoroki #mha natsuo #bnha natsuo #the todoroki family #todoroki family #todoroki #todorokis #my hero academia #boku no hero #boku no hero academia #fictional character birthday #birthday #character birthday #eddies spaghetti original post #i only talk about bnha

[alpacasandwine]

My Hero Acamedia's T̶o̶y̶a̶ ̶T̶o̶d̶o̶r̶o̶k̶i̶ better known as "Dabi"

#dabi #alpacadraws #dabi fanart #dabi my hero academia #dabi art #dabi is touya #dabi is a todoroki #dabi todoroki #todoroki family #touya todoroki #toya todoroki #touya fanart #touya bnha #todorokis #todoroki #touya todoroki imagine #mha #mha fanart #mha spoilers #mha dabi #bnha #bnha fanart #bnha season 6 #bnha spoilers #my hero academy spoilers #my hero manga #my hero academia fanart #my hero academia art #my hero academia artwork #boku no hero academia art

[haleigh-sloth]

I wish I could enjoy this chapter like the rest of you but until the Todorokis are treated with the same effort I just can't bring myself to enjoy this as much. But i'm happy for all of you and any Toga/Ochako fan out there and any of those who wanted Toga to be saved. You've all been blessed with some good stuff here and I think it will be the same for Shigaraki and Deku.

Well, thank you for the well wishes.

Honestly as someone who loves the Todorokis--a lot--and always have, I can't say I share the same concerns.

I don't see a point in comparing the two arcs, as they serve fundamentally different purposes, have different challenges, etc. For one, I think it's very clear that we're getting a way more conclusive moment with Toga Ochacko stuff than the Todos, primarily because it's pretty obvious to me they're not finished, but for the time being it was necessary to move on from them. I mean Shouto is on the ground unconscious, he's not just gonna be there the rest of the manga. So my concern for the conclusiveness of the Todorokis is....minimal to say the least.

Also Toga being saved first was...a really common prediction held by many. I went back and forth on it but I never discounted how likely it was because she was always the one who wanted to be saved in the most obvious way. They all want it, but Toga was always portrayed as the one who would embrace it first before the rest. So Toga getting a conclusive moment with Ochacko first is perfectly in line with a lot of expectations I have for this manga. It's possible that the Todorokis just won't get the same gushy fanfic-feeling moment until much later toward the very end of the manga. I can't say that's impossible, but I will say I am not concerned in the least about being fed good Todoroki content before the manga ends.

Idk, I just...don't understand why people are of the belief the Todorokis just won't have screen time again. I can't share the concern because it's just not realistic.

That being said, I hope people who do feel this way get what they want sooner or later because I know how un-fun it is to not be satisfied with the manga and to feel like it's not meeting expectations. I hope that changes because it's more fun when everyone is enjoying the manga and has good stuff to say.

#bnha asks #bnha spoilers #anonymous #bnha 394 #toga himiko #uraraka ochacko #todorokis

[tiredpaladins]

I am not an Endeavor fan, but those edits of him praying to Touya's alter always ALWAYS gets to me. God it's such a brain itch to think about the Todorokis missing their oldest brother and never getting closure because there was no body. Wishing they all did something to help him, understand the situation better as adults than they did when they were young and just wanting their big brother back. Not knowing that Touya is alive, but so far gone he's completely separated himself from any familial bonds and doesn't let himself process any of those emotions. GOD

#Todorokis #dabi #touya todoroki #todoroki touya #endeavor #mha #mha spoilers #imagine how they view it #touya went to the mountains alone #and he never came back down #and all they found were burnt trees and part of his jaw #how many times do you think Natsuo went up there to look for his brother

[beachbeibi]

Lost & Found part 2

(Quirkless AU ft. Todosiblings , Big Bro Touya, Dabihawks but it’s complicated)

#todoroki siblings #Todosiblings #todorokis #Touya todoroki #shouto todoroki #shoto #keigo tatami #bnha hawks #my hero academia #bnha #mha #dabihawks #dabi #beibiart #lost and found au

[aleclightofmylifewoodbane]

i want to talk about rhe todorokis so bad. they are always on my mind but they rlly r right now. i want to write an essay about them. PLEASE !!!!

#mha #todorokis

[villainsandvictimsalliance]

Endevoris flashback of Touya perfectly shows just how unreliable Endevor is as a narrator only focusing on the rose colored memories ignoring the harm he created

I apologize for the long post, but this is one of my favorite topics in the manga and I have so much to say about it. Thank you for sending this asks!!

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Horikoshi did something clever with the whole Dabi backstory. It's not been animated yet, but there's a part where Touya's past is told by all the Todorokis and there you can see better how all of them are unreliable narrators.

Horikoshi shows you as much.

Enji's point of view is rather ignorant of Touya's real suffering. He didn't understand back then why Touya wouldn't stop or why he was so upset. He didn't take the time to find out either. He just focused back on his career and discarded Touya as another child for Rei to take care of.

Touya's crime was... Being a kid. That's it. Enji was the one who basically showed Touya that their bonding time as father and son was their training. When Enji abandoned that, Touya still wanted a bond with his dad and couldn't accept the fact he was no longer worthy or important to his father. What Enji could see as "my child is being difficult on purpose" was indeed the manifestation of a very common trait for a kid: I want attention.

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Enji and Touya had good memories. Those only made the whole thing worst tho. Touya now knew how his father attention felt like and he could identify when Enji was not really into it. That means Enji couldn't lie to Touya anymore, not like he was lying to himself. Touya was so clever of a kid that he even picked on the problem of his parents marriage and didn't doubt on pointing it out to Rei. Of course she is a victim, but for little Touya she is also the woman that's suppose to protect him and by agreeing to follow Enji's plan, Touya mind thought she was to blamed for a different sin.

What Horikoshi shows us through Enji's post is deadly important because that's how you learn that Enji still doesn't know his kid. Not Dabi, not the person he is now. Enji doesn't know the Touya of his memories, he still doesn't know why the accident in Sekoto Peak happened, why and how he failed Touya.

To make it simpler: Enji saw Touya die and instead of it being a sign of how he was doing something wrong, he became worst with Shoto and Rei, he became even more abusive, and he kept on his abuse to Shoto to the point Deku himself called him out for it. The way he trained Shoto means that he never thought he was doing something wrong, but rather that he was training the wrong child.

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Now, this is all very evident in the manga, but you need to read the information the author gave you, connect the points and understand what is said beyond the explicit. This is even more important in the manga, where the panels are reduce and you have to condense your story in meaningful poses and speech bubbles and have to convey emotion and intention thoroughly with visuals.

What every Todoroki remembers is distorted. Yes, even Dabi's memories. Their feelings shape their memories and what we're really seeing is how they felt back then, as well as how they feel right now.

So yeah, you're totally right and I hope every one is ready understands why.

#Shan's asks #bnha #mha #boku no hero academia #my hero academia #Enji todoroki #Endeavor #Dabi #Touya Todoroki #Toya todoroki #Todofam #Todorokis #Bnha spoilers #Mha spoilers #Bnha s6 #Bnha season 6

[transhawks]

sorry for the cringe ask pls ignore if you want but with these chapters of the todofam do yuo think it is like "wrong" to not see anything poetic/pretty/anything like that about the family and mostly touya and endeavor situation? ive seen all these texts (not here though) abt how touya loves his father and is a Liar™ while also ignoring most of what he went through and his feelings of anger and bitterness i mean... sure there is/was love behind the hurt but i feel like i read the story wrongly

Okay, let's break down your ask a bit because it's not that I think you read the story wrong, it's that there's a missing component that I see a lot of people miss when it comes to stories like this:

you can love your abuser.

you can love your abuser.

most of us love our abusers.

Now, and I think this is something I believe that uhh I've argued with my friends over - I don't know how much parents who abuse their kids "love" them. It's complicated and a case-by-case basis, but I want to say that often it's love for what they want the child to be, not the child themselves. I've said it a few times over the years: out of the all the Todoroki children, the only child that got Enji as an actual father from the start was Touya. Toddler Shouto is scared of him, Enji seemingly didn't interact much with Natsuo as a baby or toddler, maybe to avoid the issue he had with Touya. And, well, bluntly, Fuyumi was essentially a baby sister for Touya's sake. Add to that the Japanese tradition of male primogeniture, and you get a very, very strong reason for why Touya loves his father and hates him at the same time, especially since this is met with apathy from Enji's end (as Touya thinks). As @pikahlua said recently, the opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference. The actions and desperations of Todoroki Touya to be seen by the man he loves, no matter if the man in question doesn't deserve this adoration, are signs of a child yearning to be loved by his father, not ignored. Now, let's break down your ask: "Poetic/pretty"

Abuse isn't poetic or pretty. It's abuse. It's messy, and it creates rifts and broken, messy people who don't make sense and move through the world breaking things further. I know that's quite a harsh thing to say about other victims like this, but I'm not going to candy-coat it - victimhood is not virtuous. Being abused and victimized doesn't automatically make you good person or a better person, and you are not a better person for having struggled. In fact, honestly, trying to do good will be that much harder. And this is exactly why cycles of abuse are replicated.

Touya is both a liar and he isn't - because he's abused and that creates irrational feelings about the abuser and what happened. His lies are mostly to himself. That's how you get Touya maniacally making a video decrying all of hero society propping up abusers while trying to murder his younger brother in sheer jealousy that he wasn't abused the way he was.

I'm going to use the same words I use for Hawks: when are you people going to understand people who are fucked in the head are fucked in the head?

To me it makes sense that Touya has conflicting thoughts and feelings because people, especially mentally people who got there due to abuse, have conflicting thoughts and feelings. That's what you go to therapy to fix. (no one in BNHA goes to therapy) So, where does that leave you, anon? I think it's again about a greater question of what kind of stories you want to read. I will always agree we need more stories where child abuse victims walk away from their families and get to be happy about it. I get that the reconciliation stories like Encanto have their place, but for so long that's been such a big narrative in why people like me have to continue to have ties with people who hurt us. But BNHA isn't bucking that formula.

Horikoshi's own experiences and perspectives on abuse want wish fulfillment. And in his wishes, he wants the abuser to say sorry. Most abusers never get to where Enji has gotten. However, a good chunk of people don't want Enji to even say "I'm sorry" in the first place, and that's where I feel the story was just not written with them in mind. So, if you read the story wrong, it's because you wanted something different from it. You wanted a different type of narrative of abuse. Neither Horikoshi or you are wrong in wanting or writing this sort of story, it's just that the story is not for you. And accepting that will make you a happier person in the long run. Sometimes stories just aren't for you. I keep beating this like a dead horse; a large amount of the fandom, especially among my fellow villain-stans, didn't heed my warnings that the story wasn't going to end with what they wanted and they'd end up frustrated and angry at spending so much time for something that feels flat to them because they couldn't adjust their expectations. Lo and behold, it's too late now and now people are in their feelings about something they could have simply dropped or accepted. I'm sorry the story isn't for you and I hope you find a manga that suits you better in the future.

#asks #dabi #todorokis #todoroki touya

[beybuniki]

touya and shoto’s friends

#I’m glad I finished these this was rlly fun #bnha #todoroki touya #dabi #todoroki shoto #deku #midoriya izuku #bakugo katsuki #au: #todoroki visit