#Ex Jedi

[bh-52]

These two Padawans left the Order after being accused of crimes they couldn't possibly commit in any reality, and being hunted down and branded as traitors by the people they trusted.

Ahsoka Tano & Zayne Carrick thrived after clearing their names and leaving the Order.

#star wars #jedi #ahsoka tano #zayne carrick #disaster lineage #kotor #star wars tcw #knights of the old republic #padawan ahsoka #padawan #Padawans #jedi apprentice #rogue Jedi #former Jedi #ex Jedi #the force is with me #may the force be with you #jedi padawan

[dingoat]

An absolute delight of a piece for a couple of lovely rpg characters! (When will I ever not be pumped to draw a new bothan??) Wonderful designs and a great dynamic to play with for a very sweet individual.

#star wars ocs #swrpg #star wars rpg #mirialan #bothan #other people's ocs #ex jedi #bothan noble #dingoat does art

[david-talks-sw]

Dooku didn't leave because of the Jedi.

At least, if you're going by George Lucas' word.

In deleted scenes of Attack of the Clones, when we learn about Dooku's departure and his values, there's no mention of the Jedi or "the Jedi Order as an institution".

And every time Lucas refers to Dooku's disenchantment and reason for falling, he doesn't mention the Jedi.

"When you realize that Dooku is Darth Tyranus, it explains what Darth Sidious did after Darth Maul was killed: he seduced a Jedi who had become disenchanted with the Republic. He preyed on that disenchantment and converted him to the dark side, which is also a setup for what happens with Anakin." - Mythmaking: Behind the Scenes of Attack of the Clones, 2002

"[Dooku is] one of the few Jedi who became disenchanted with the Republic and left the order and he is leading a separatist movement." - Vanity Fair, 2002

"I wanted a more sophisticated kind of villain. Dooku’s disenchantment with the corruption in the Empire is actually valid. It’s all valid.  So, Chris plays it as, 'Is he really a villain or is he just someone who is disenchanted and trying to make things right?'" - Starlog Magazine #300, 2002

He probably meant the Republic/Senate in that last one, but you get the point. And you're seeing the pattern, right?

Dooku's problem isn't the Jedi, it's the Republic.

He's become disenchanted with a system that - according to Lucas' prologue in the 2004 book Shatterpoint - worked for 1,000 years...

"For a thousand years, the Old Republic prospered and grew under the wise rule of the Senate and the protection of the venerable Jedi Knights."

... but has been rendered ineffective because of 1) senators becoming corrupt and 2) corporations gaining political power.

"But as often happens when wealth and power grow beyond all reasonable proportion, an evil fueled by greed arose. The massive organs of commerce mushroomed in power, the Senate became corrupt, and an ambitious named Palpatine was voted Supreme Chancellor."

That's the message Dooku runs on, when he rallies the systems to form the Separatist Alliance.

"By promising an alternative to the corruption and greed that was rotting the Republic from within, Dooku was able to persuade thousands of star systems to secede from the Republic."

The Jedi aren't really a factor in his decision to leave.

Why would they be? Their political status isn't very high, they're virtually powerless, as illustrated by the film's narrative and stated repeatedly by Lucas.

On the contrary, as we already established in this post, Lucas full-on confirmed that Dooku actually carries the sympathies of most of the Jedi. Again:

Most Jedi agree with Dooku, ideologically.

As far as the Jedi are concerned, the politicians are effing up the Republic, and it sucks because the Jedi see this but aren't allowed to interfere in the political process. They have to resort to looking for loopholes in their mandates to actually get stuff done.

That's what that whole "she's a politician" scene is meant to hint at. In the commentary of Attack of the Clones, Lucas uses a similar turn of phrase as he does with Dooku.

"[This scene gives us] a chance to talk a little bit about politics and the Jedi’s disenchantment with the political process, due to the corruption and the ineffectiveness of the Senate." - Attack of the Clones, Director’s Commentary, 2002

Considering all this, it becomes clear that the intended narrative surrounding Dooku's decision to leave the Order is not:

"The Jedi are dogmatic and asleep at the wheel except for Dooku, who is ahead of the curb and sees the system is flawed, so he left."

It's actually:

"ALL Jedi see the system is flawed, Dooku's the only Jedi who decided to take it a step further and leave the Order so he can try to get into politics himself and change things."

That's why they hesitate to accuse him of murder.

That's why in an earlier draft of the Attack of the Clones script, by the end of the second act, Mace STILL has his doubts that Dooku would sign a treaty with the Trade Federation to attack the Republic.

As far as the Jedi are concerned, Dooku is out there fighting the good fight, making noise because whenever they try to protest it falls on deaf ears... until his betrayal on Geonosis.

After all, let's not get it twisted: the Dooku we're introduced to in the films and The Clone Wars, isn't really just Dooku anymore.

He's Darth Tyranus.

A point Lucas makes sure to highlight in his Shatterpoint prologue:

"Unbeknownst to most of his followers, Dooku was himself a Dark Lord of the Sith, acting in collusion with his master, Darth Sidious, who, over the years, had struck an unholy alliance with the greater forces of commerce and their private droid armies."

It's not about doing the selfless thing for Dooku, anymore. He's knowingly part of the problem.

He's all about ambition, now. His personal goals are things like overthrowing Sidious and becoming the most powerful Jedi.

"[Anakin's] ambition and his dialogue here is the same as Dooku’s. He says “I will become more powerful than every Jedi.” And you’ll hear later on Dooku will say “I have become more powerful than any Jedi.” [...] It is possible for a Jedi to want to become more powerful, and control things." - Attack of the Clones, Director’s Commentary, 2002

"If you put two Sith together, they try to get others to join them to get rid of the other Sith. [When revealing the truth to Obi-Wan], Dooku's ambition is really to get rid of Darth Sidious. He's trying to get Obi-Wan's assistance in that and help in that, so that he and Obi-Wan could overthrow Sidious and take over." - Attack of the Clones, Commentary Track 2, 2002

Y'know? Selfish things.

Dooku - like all other Sith, and like the very corporations and Senators he had sworn to destroy - is consumed by his own greed.

#also functionally-speaking Dooku being a Jedi is done to highlight the ambiguity throughout the investigation on whether or not this is #a scorned ex-Jedi or a straight-up bad guy... you're never sure until the end of AOTC. That and Dooku being a former Jedi shows that #even someone who was once selfless and dutiful can crave power and be selfish #which sets up a precedent for Anakin - who's already struggling with being a selfless Jedi - when HE falls to the Dark Side #Dooku being a former Jedi isn't a plot point meant to narratively criticise of the Order... it's meant to hint at Anakin's downfall. #dooku #george lucas #star wars #attack of the clones #long post #collection of quotes

[jebiknights]

Sometimes I just remember that oh right it's apparently a slightly controversial opinion that I think if Palpatine hadn't been involved at all that Anakin could've been perfectly happy and fulfilled with the Jedi.

Like just from rots we see Anakin want to follow Jedi ideals, to seek advice and even help from the very Jedi that fandom loves to act like he hates and who hate him in return, and we see the Jedi around him actually have a lot of respect for him! But every time he makes progress Palpatine is whispering in his ear and pulling out the stitches and re-opening the wounds, making it near impossible for him to actually grow as a Jedi and instead he grows closer to Falling. Not to mention the war, which was orchestrated in part to actively challenge the Jedi's morals and make them make bad and questionable choices.

Plenty of Legends canon and even current canon in things like the marvel comics show Anakin actively wrestling and considering Jedi philosophy, the pros and cons, and working through all his trauma and trying to figure out what's right for him and what the Jedi code actually means. People act like he only ever does lightsaber training and that he never picked up a book in his entire padawanship (which not only is just not how the Jedi Order works from what we see but honestly is just a boring take on the character imo).

Like, I just don't think that Anakin is actually incompatible with the Jedi Order! I think he could've thrived there if he wasn't being actively sabotaged and also had more time.

#anakin skywalker #jedi positive #pro jedi #anyway i also dont think that the jedi order is incompatible with romance just that anakin has trauma about #his interpersonal attachments and that he didnt get a great teaching on it in canon bc obi wan needs therapy #nd so never really discussed it with anakin #which is not necessarily a shot at obi wan i just think that entire lineage has communication issues lmao #like obi wan has both trauma and oin legends actual healthy relationships and exes he no longer dates #who were jedi! #but like he doesnt actually discuss this with anakin? #and tbh thats the most canon to me lmao obi wan just doesnt realize he needs to talk about it or maybe how? #anakin #sw meta #sorta lmao #jedi order

[inquisitor-apologist]

I LOVE the idea of calling your master’s master ‘grandmaster’ bc the Jedi are family. However have we considered how fucking confusing that would be?

Kanan’s grandmaster Master Windu, Master of the Jedi council, but below Grandmaster Yoda, grandmaster of Master Qui-Gon, grandmaster of ex-knight Anakin, father of Grandmaster Luke. Absolutely ridiculous. No notes

#lol i had a Spanish Moment™️ and wrote ‘máster’ instead of ‘master’ yes Mace Windu has a master’s degree in uh… Space Swordplay #yes I called Anakin ‘ex-knight’ and I stand by that #tbh he was BARELY a knight at all but after the genocide No fucking way is he anymore #yada yada yada he died as a Jedi tho—no he died a lightsider he had to EARN his way back into the Ghost Order #realistically they’d have a name for when it got confusing like line-master or lineage-master or smth but it’s FUNNY OK #star wars #jedi sw #jedi #jedi order #jedi culture #kinda? #jedi are family #is this the original post tag

[stupidfatpenguin]

imagine Luke just not knowing how to sever his training bond with his ex-padawan and grogu using that to his full advantage like

Grogu, through the Force: my dad says I have to go to bed tell him he’s wrong

Luke: he’s not? and anyway I don’t have his comm code

Grogu: don’t make me turn to the dark side

#luke just trying to jedi or wash his spucci (space gucci) pants in peace #Din isn't even his ex why does he have shared custody through the force life is unfair #crack #dinluke #I saw this in my drafts but I can't remember if I stole it from someone?? do let me know #the meme version of my WIP #kinda #grogu #luke skywalker #sw memes

[rinn-e]

ANAKIN SKETCH

#star wars #anakin skywalker #the clone wars #sketch #fanart #my art #jedi #clip studio paint ex

[raurquiz]

#happybirthday #oscarisaac #actor #poedameron #starwars #theforceawakens #thelastjedi #theriseofskywalker #resistance #moonknight #xmen #apocalypse #spiderman #acrossthespiderverse #dune #exmachina #suckerpunch #annihilation #thebournelegacy #amostviolentyear #insidellewyndavis

#happybirthday #oscar isaac #actor #poe dameron #star wars #the force awakens #the last jedi #the rise of skywalker #resistance #moon knight #xmen #apocalypse #spiderman #across the spiderverse #dune #ex machina #sucker punch #annhilation #the bourne legacy

[autistic-ben-tennyson]

When you see a great essay defending the prequel Jedi from bad faith criticism and treats Anakin as the baby killing, wife beating fascist he is.

Then you see that the OP is a conservative Christian, Zionist, transphobic etc.

Like how do you make great posts about fascism and genocide for a fantasy series then support fascism irl? Bonus points if they claim people who don’t like the Jedi are atheists projecting their trauma from Catholicism onto the Jedi and act as if Buddhism or any non Christian religion has never been weaponized for evil which they have which does not make them bad btw. Like guys, I know we all hate the bad faith criticism of the Jedi, but you could be a bit more sensitive to people who do have trauma. Religions including the ones tumblr progressives romanticize can have overlap in their beliefs and practices. This isn’t the 2000s anymore and many atheists aren’t like the Dawkins “new atheist” Redditor types and are aware that not all religions are American evangelicalism. I’m an atheist and I like the prequel Jedi and agree with their philosophy on being mindful and not treating people as objects. Ironically, many Anakin apologists are right wing Christians who hate the Jedi for not conforming to trad nuclear family dynamics. I love my wholesome space wizards but I don’t like some of the fans who ironically are not very Jedi like by dog piling anyone with different perspectives or hold prejudice towards certain people when that’s not how a Jedi acts.

@apostate-in-an-alcove

#star wars #jedi positivity #pro jedi #ex religious #ex christian #vent post #this is about #beginnerblueglass #Smhalltheurlsaretaken #tarisilmarwen #call out post

[vaguely-concerned]

since his ultimate fate is unknown to us for now, let's as a fandom get together and manifest that the watsonian explanation for rael averross being nowhere to be found in the clone wars era is that he quit being a jedi and is out there getting laid and going to therapy, rather than because he, y'know... died horrifically or eventually succumbed to the dark side after all or suffered similar jedi-related work hazards

#since he was five when he was brought to the temple I think he'd probably do better outside the order than most ex-jedi #I just like to think of him kicking around out there like the jedi order's collective weird cowboy hobo uncle is all #rael averross #star wars #master and apprentice #claudia grey making up a whole guy to establish that qui-gon was actually the stuck-up party pooper out of dooku's apprentices... exquisite #she was so right for that #his and qui-gon's character developing sparring match *is* basically a theology debate tho so you know. still a nerd lol

[dairine-bonnet]

Young Padawan Bastila: *in every possible way tries to wriggle out of awkward situations and questions or avoid detailed answers to questions about Revan*.

Wise Master Vrook: Well, if we start training you, how can we make sure the Dark Lord won't return? We're not certain that Revan is truly dead!

Amnesiac Revan: ...

Master Vrook: Obviously, we don't trust you!

Amnesiac Revan: ???

#also amnesiac revan: what a bunch of crazy old men! #It was fun to watch that scene #what's more it isn't the only time one of the jedi masters misspeaks #but the most hilarious imao #i have a couple of silly theories why vrook says something like that - on purpose i think #but what about others? they're not supposed to lie about anything and it's too hard for them? #nonsense #poor bastila #she has to handle both amnesiac ex sith lord and old forgetful masters #half correct kotor quotes #incorrect kotor quotes #kotor #kotor 1 #knights of the old republic #silly thoughts #bastila shan #revan #female reman #fem revan #f!revan #darth revan #vrook lamar #master vrook #jedi council #star wars

[lilydvoratrelundar]

the other thing about the bit with the drink in glass onion is i IMMEDIATELY said “cos of the pineapple, right?” and then the whole ooohohooo it was poooisoned and i was like. hehehe i know it wasn’t. now let’s see...

#lily dot tee ex tee #i didnt know if it was gonna be an accident or a fakeout like it was #but holy shit a good mystery that lets the audience absorb the same clues that the detective does #so we can figure things out for ourselves #EVEN when there's entire scenes and backstory and context that's kept hidden to preserve surprises #rian johnson you have outdone yourself once again. #knives out #glass onion #glass onion spoilers #also while im talking about rian johnson. last jedi is the best mainline star wars film since the original fuck you #knives out spoilers #<- covering my bases yknow #blancverse

[cienie-isengardu]

I will keep my promise. I will train Anakin. Though I seek guidance from the Force. Is he as dangerous as the Council fears? [Star Wars: Episode I - Obi Wan Kenobi]

#star wars #obi wan kenobi #anakin skywalker #I SO BADLY WISH TO HIT ALL THE MEMBERS OF JEDI COUNCIL #for putting so doubt into obi wan's mind #and above all #for looking at child and be afraid and call the kid dangerous #every force user can be dangerous but you all didn't fret so much before so why are you so afraid of ex slave child???

[kingdomvel]

So obikin au set in our world but there are jedi, and they are like an independent organization that govern themselves and just go around helping people and governments and stuff. And obikin are The Team, the ones you sent for the most important missions, two halfs of the same warrior, lovers... until they are not.

For some very stupid reason they break up. Like a very stupid misunderstanding or Obi-Wan thinks that he is holding Anakin back or something like that. And it backfires because Anakin, heartbroken, leaves the Order and becomes a bit of a rogue. He takes independent jobs, sometimes for very questionable organizations.

They don't see each other for years until one day the council assigns Obi-Wan to help a government in a possible coup d'etat and okay, the government is not the best but in situations like this the ones who end up suffering are the people. And when Obi-Wan gets there, who he sees helping the rebels is... Anakin.

Obi-Wan tries to convince him to stop but Anakin is like 'Obi-Wan the president is the worst person I have ever heard of, don't you try to even stop me' and Obi-Wan is like 'okay coup d'etat time it is' j

#and they were exes #oh my god they were exes #i am thinking of a very modern anakin like the one i drew #with the bombers and jeans and all #and obi wan always wearing very nice suits #and the jedi order are like an antijohnwickstyle organisation #idkidk #obikin #obikin au #writing stuff #modern jedi

[prahacat]

AU where Ramil is a bit better at politics (and probably at life in general) and actually quite skilled at  running planet Serenno. So when Dooku's frustration with the Order finally piles up to a point where he absolutely has to leave, there's no convenient Count role for him to take over. He has no home, no financial security, he has never worked for money for a single day in his life. He's just a creditless, politically frustrated ex space monk. Sure, Jenza would most likely support him, but Dooku's too proud to live off her for long and he's not going to run back to the Jedi to ask for help or advice. After all, he's very desperately pretending that He Is Doing Fine. So, all I'm saying is, what if he takes up Divad Masspur's job offer?

Is there fic for this? There has to be but I cannot find it. Come on, Dooku as a reluctant judge on a cheap reality show is a comedy gold mine. He's going to be so irritated all the time. He loves contests, he secretly loves stupid arena games, he probably likes the thought of sitting in some comfy chair and wiping the smile off of people's faces with his judging glare. He's gonna watch some petty drama unfold while internally lamenting how this show could be so grand, if it wasn't just brainless entertainment for the masses. He hates it, hates how embarrassing it is, hates how his boot-licking acquaintances praise him for his integrity & fair judgment on the show, and most of all he hates how he's pretending to like it. Navigating the holonet landscape might send him to an early grave, with "smiling through gritted teeth" as his epitaph.

He probably makes a lot of money though, and his PR skills will soon be impeccable.

#dooku jedi lost #dooku #i'm thinking way too hard about this again #i thrive on throwing dooku into uncomfortable situations #so much potential for dramatic irony #but it's just going to turn out angsty if i try writing it #and would probably involve obi-wan being dropped into a shark tank or something #i often wonder what life as an ex-jedi must be like #esp for those who don't immediately face-heel-turn to the dark side and find a new purpose #it's such a drastic change #just thoughts

[cum-roll]

mixed feelings about Ahsoka but more importantly

#ahsoka #i also don't get whats ANYONES motive in this show #most importantly thrawns #and this ex jedi guy #i digress i dont want to discuss it much before the whole show comes out #cant wait to see my favourite blue tie pod though #thrawn #grand admiral thrawn #young master is saying things??