jean-paul and tim fighting in the batcave is what fandom thinks happened between jason and tim
it's so funny to me that fanfiction version of titans tower incident (teen titans 2003 #29) is basically what canonically happened during knightquest the crusade (tec #668 and robin #1)
tim is actually 14 years old so it was a fight between an actual kid and adult instead of two teenagers
tim is beaten up in his safe place by an ally who he used to have positive feelings about (i mean it was tim who broke in and sneaked around the batcave so i don't blame jpv for self-defense!)
tim is annoyed that he worked so hard to become robin only to be shut down by jean-paul and now having to prove himself to him (didn't go well)
(detective comics #668/showcase '93 #11)
tim sasses jean-paul
(detective comics #668/bloodbath special #1)
jean-paul strangles tim lol
(detective comics #668/robin 1993 #1)
jean-paul intends to kill tim? probably? not really? i mean he kind of threatens to later in knightsend but he is in a silly goofy mood
(detective comics #677)
jean-paul immediately regrets attacking tim and is very sorry and sad wet cat (tim is not buying it (angsty))
(robin 1993 #1)
jean-paul is not in full control of himself because of The System
The System is "lazarus pit rage" except it's a religious programming and instead of seeing green jean-paul hallucinates a templar knight telling him to be batman or something
the strangling incident has lasting consequences not only on their relationship but the plot too (tim can't shut up about it)
(batman #506/#507/#508)
(catwoman 1993 #31)
tim and dick become closer after that (also dick hates jp's guts lol)
(showcase '93 #11/#12/detective comics #681)
(batman: gotham knights #14 the issue is called sibling rivalry btw. you know)
also in his azbats era jean-paul thinks he is so much better and effective than bruceman (while he is actually having a mental breakdown) and bruce feels very responsible for how he fucked up jp's psyche and deems him one of his biggest mistakes (jp and batman angst real)
(azrael 1995 #1/#2/#36 look at him he's so sad)
after knightsend jean-paul feels very guilty and becomes a better person while struggling with mental health and The System (and fights evil cult that manipulated him with his new friends)
also i personally believe none of this would have happened if tim didn't give jean-paul a bad haircut
(batman #491)
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While I love Hollow being sweet and innocent- and really, I do -I still wish they were allowed to have a bit more. . . character flaws, especially post-recovery, that are reflective of their upbringing as the Pale King's most prized child. Some ideas:
While they don't hold others to the same ridiculous standards of perfection they hold themself to, I imagine they still have unreasonably high expectations for what it means to perform a task well. It makes them irrationally angry when something isn't done correctly in their opinion- not evidenced by any direct outburst, but by them following behind and fixing any perceived mistakes left by the other person.
Hollow is an organizational freak. Once they get over their initial "can't express themself even when alone" routine, if left bored, they can and will alphabetize/sort anything they get their hands on, often in a system that makes sense to only them.
While, considering their position, they do have a startling amount of empathy for the common bug, they still don't really notice commoners that much. Their usual instinct is to ignore anyone who doesn't look clean. Their siblings are the only exception.
They make snap judgements. Unfortunately, their decision-making philosophy is based on the rather extreme sense of utilitarianism that they got straight from their dad.
They are STUBBORN in their beliefs, even if getting them to express said beliefs is like pulling teeth.
Needless to say, no one has been able to change their mind about Pale King quite yet.
And after they've been freed, they still see the "end goal" of it all to rebuild Hallownest again exactly as it was. They don't want to consider the possibility that perhaps some things in the kingdom needed to be changed.
(These two points are their biggest disagreements with Ghost and Hornet respectively. The siblings do not talk politics in the house.)
TERRITORIAL AS SHIT with other gods. If the Grimm Troupe shows up it's on sight. They've had enough gods waltzing in and wrecking their shit for one life time, thank you very much, and they do not have the patience to wait and see which ones might be friendly. Peace was never an option.
(yes, this means they do have problems with the Void. They know that they're made of void, they know that it saved them, and they do love Ghost very much. . . but they still aren't comfortable with it. They would much rather identify with the pale side of their heritage.)
Hollow's pain tolerance is through the roof, and combined with their ability to heal, their perception of how much punishment an ordinary bug can take is severely skewed. A bug could be stabbed in front of them and they'd think "oh, walk it off."
I'm sorry but you'd have to tie this vessel down in order to get them to take any kind of medication, especially mental health meds.
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While I love the whole "kind individual and traumatized individual" relationship dynamic I do admit I have my problems with it, but that's mostly with how people write the characters, not the trope itself.
My problem with it is that the "ball of sunshine", as said character is often referred to, seemingly only exists to revolve around and be the salvation of the other character. Most of the time, we know little about their life outside of their relationship with the other person, and that annoys me to no end. Why? Because it strips away all possible nuance and depth that character could have had and gives it to the other character, dumbing them down into an often goofy, sometimes even naive individual only there for the sake of an entertaining relationship dynamic.
And this is coming from someone who does like the trope; I think it can be profound and beautiful when written correctly, but so many people hand all the great characterization over to only one character while almost entirely leaving out the other and it doesn't have to be that way. Let them both be great characters both together and on their own!
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u dumb asl if u think geto couldn't have been saved had the people around him noticed his mental health declining during that year between the riko incident and his breakdown and helped with his trauma. ur dumb asl too if u think he'd be strictly opposed to having children especially his nurturing and caring younger self. and ur beyond dumb if u think he didn't gaf about his adopted daughters whom he loved with all his might. ijbol
Wrong about me being dumb asf three times actually :)
1. The whole point of Geto killing his village and breaking away from Gojo is because he chose to do this for his ideals. He didn’t just wake up and decided to kill people, he was already a person who could do that, he was just given information (from Yuki) that he already subconsciously knew. It’s also a vital lesson for Gojo to realize you can’t save people who don’t want to be saved. Geto willingly did all of this and didn’t bat an eye, he knew what he was doing and he did it with pleasure. There was no changing his mind = no saving him.
2. Never said he’d be strictly opposed to it, but I am tired of the fandom constantly mischaracterizing him into making him only this “nurturing and kind person”. Because he’s not. Was he nice? Absolutely. But Geto’s dynamic with Gojo would not work as well if he was such a caring and nurturing person. He has many screws loose, which is why he could keep up with Gojo so well - he had many loose as well. To be a surviving jujutsu sorcerer you have to be incredibly unhinged.
3. He didn’t love these kids with all his might really. He may have cared for them in his own twisted way, but if he saw them be killed by Sukuna he would not be nearly as angry as you may think. The fact is, he saved those girls not out of the goodness of his own heart but because he snapped from how horrible non jujutsu sorcerers are. Nanako and Mimiko saw him as a savior. To them, he could do no wrong, it was an incredibly unhealthy servitude. They were unfortunately, still people he could dispose of if it truly came to that. In his lifetime it didn’t, but he never taught them anything other than serving him, they were broken children in need of genuine love and support. All Geto taught them was that killing was right. He was not a “good father” nor did he love these girls as his own children. He’s a genocidal racist, I promise you he wasn’t reading them bedtime stories and making sandwiches for their lunch.
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