#anti tim drake stans

[telffiin]

oh my goddddddd tim stans are so fucking OBNOXIOUS!!! why do they keep writing him as this eternal victim who can do no wrong and is bullied/abused by the evil 10-year-old and everyone is mean to him???? mary sue self-insert ass.

#damian should try to kill him again #this was inspired by a particular commenter on ao3..... you know who you are #if i knew fanon tim irl i would try to kill him too jesus christ #i could also write a whole other post about how damian is treated by them but it wouldn't be coherent at all #and i value my sanity #anti tim drake #anti tim drake stans #rant?? #they also just. blow things out of proportion idk #dc #batman

[sinnbaddie]

hi! you mentioned that you thought that tim drake was manipulative and i was wondering why you think that? and this isn't me trying to defend him or anything, i don't like him either

I meant to reply to this earlier in the week sorry about that !

I really meant that he’s manipulative in the “Bruce has a contingency plan for everyone including himself” type of manipulative. You can say that for everyone in the bat comics really, but I think it’s rather worse for Tim. Especially when you look at how he’s evil in so many timelines. Like he’s manipulating tactics are very astonishing

One of my favorite examples is when he first decided to confront Batman. I agree that Bruce needed help, especially in his vigilantism because he was losing himself, however let’s not ignore the fact that Tim Drake manipulated a mourning man into allowing him to get his dream.

He not only manipulated Bruce but he tried manipulating Dick as well. He’s the type of character to use you into getting information and whatever he wants really and he’ll use any tactics to get it

#anti Tim Drake #batfamily #anti Tim Drake stans

[pessimisticpigeonsworld]

You know one thing that really pisses me off? When people take attributes, plot points, and arcs of one character and giving them to another. This applies to adaptations, but what I really hate is when the fandom does it.

Like when stansas take things from Dany and Arya, like dragons and Needle, and give them to Sansa. It really shows how they don't actually like her character since they're so invested in her becoming something she never could be. Also they never have good things to say about Arya and especially Daenerys, yet apparently their characters and talents are just fine since they're good enough for Sansa.

I also see this happen a lot with Alicent. I've already talked about her and Aemma, so I won't rehash that. But, I just saw a post of someone coming up with a headcanon that Alicent chose Baelon's egg instead of Rhaenyra. That with people calling her "Mother of Dragons" and drawing her in Valyrian clothing just again shows that apparently Rhaenyra, Daenerys, and Valyrian traditions are totally evil unless their fav is doing those things. I've even seen people giving her Jaehaerys' crown, like a woman ruling is bad, unless it's Alicent. Because apparently her life and titles aren't interesting enough.

These are just examples in the asoiaf fandom. Another fandom that is obsessed with doing this is the Batfamily fandom. The biggest instance that I can think of is in reverse robin aus, where it seems impossible to keep the characters true to their personalities. For example, whenever Tim Drake is the second robin, he becomes Red Hood and does everything the way Jason did. This makes no sense, as Jason’s ties to Crime Alley and his decisions in utrh are not things Tim shares. Unless writers swap around their back stories too, literally nothing that happens in utrh makes sense. But even then, Tim and Jason are fundamentally different people, even if they swap backgrounds, so you'd still have to come up with a new story. What I'm getting at is that giving Tim Jason’s personality, or any other batkid, makes no sense and is just so fucking frustrating.

If you want to write aus where someone swaps situations with someone or if you want to theorize about a character, don't just steal from another character. Especially if you spend so much time and energy disparaging that other character. If you truly love a character, you wouldn't just slap someone else's life onto their's, you'd embrace them for who they are, not try to make them into something they aren't.

#sansa stark #anti sansa stans #alicent hightower #anti alicent stans #tim drake #jason todd #fandom critical #reverse robins

[colorfulyetsinful]

Lmaoo this is turning into a smau but I swear there’s no real story behind this,,,

On the other hand, Tim and Robin are now mutuals

#batfam #batman #tim drake #jason todd #red robin #batfam social media au #dc social media au #fake posts social media edits #robin #timothy drake #robin jason todd #Tim is writing an x reader fanfi. but that does not mean I ship Jason and Tim #I just thought it would be funny that Tim write wattpad x reader fics #no I’m a batcest anti #as well as a jaytim or whatever tf the name is anti #Tim is a fanboy #fanboy Tim Drake #Tim’s stan account

[punkeropercyjackson]

A J*ytim shipper liked my post comparing myself and my brother to Jason and Tim

#like are you new to other human beings???paralleling your irl sibling relathionship to a fictional one is saying you're anti shipping them #i thought that went without saying?unless they think i meant me and my brother would be okay doing in///cest with eachother #in which case *loads rifle with malicious intent*(/meme ref) #antijaytim #anti batcest #jason and tim #me and willy #jason todd #tim drake #black jason todd #latino jason todd #afrolatino jason supremacy #adhd tim drake #< since my little brother has undiagnosed adhd + i also hc tim as autistic and trans and half cherokee #just reusing the tags from that post since it's a sequel to it.also i just remembered it was about how fanon tim is gross as shit💀 #my nigga in christ it was about you.they were a sl*de stan too so that tracks #batfam #rhato #dead sidekicks force #the anomalies #young justice #team dual #summerposting

[aliceramblesonnerdity]

Listen I'm not a big fan of this run, but it'll be hilarious to watch the people still complaining about Damian replacing Tim if we get another new Robin. I doubt it, but it would be hilarious.

#dc #dc comics #batman #anti tim drake #i guess? #more anti tim stans #not tim or his normal fans

[leafyforreal]

thinking about how the one time dick has a say in who gets to be robin the fandom bashes him to hell bc how daaare dick take his own mantle away from tiiiim (the guy who stole it) now he's saaaad :(

#SCREAMS #bruce giving jason the robin mantle was not a cool move but i like it bc it makes sense to me within the context of the story #and they reconcile that pretty well anyway in most canon iterations #BUT TIM JUST TAKING IT AND US NOT SEEING HOW DICK REACTS TO THAT AT ALL #IS LIKE??? INTERESTING MOVE #and then when ppl get so butthurt that damian gets the robin mantle. when dick who was the OG robin AND batman at the time has every right #to give it to him #that just makes me fume #LIKE ITS HIS MANTLE TO GIVE #AND DAMIAN NEEDS IT #anti tim drake #I GUESS #more like anti tim stans #fr

[jasontoddssuper]

I was thinking about how much i hate it when people say bi characters 'have a thing for blondes' because of how it makes their taste revolve around a eurocentric feature and is racist by extension and it made me realize that,if we're being real,fandoms implimenting racism into their lgbt headcanons is extremely common.That's so fucking sad dudes

#percy jackson #perseo jackson #tim drake #marinette dupain-cheng #blake belladonna #(tim and blake are canon bi but percy and marinette are just widely accepted headcanons) #annabeth chase #jason grace #luke castellan #apollo pjo #stephanie brown #bernard dowd #cassie sandsmark #yang xiao long #not tagging the blondes marinette gets shipped with because i hate all of them + not tagging sun and jaune either their stans are insane #anti percabeth #jercy #magnus chase #timsteph #timber #tam fox #timtam #bumbleby #pjo #hoo #toa #batfam #ml #rwby #letters from summer

[telffiin]

i hate tim drake i hope he drops dead

#just saw a super annoying post so i'm freeing this from the drafts. tim drake stans are the bane of my existence istg #dc #anti tim drake

[gonnalosemydougdimmadomedamnmind]

Man, I finally had time to scroll through content and of course I came across some wacky opinions!!! I saw someone complain about young justice the show, and they specifically said "why'd they have to put dick in Tim's costume-" Like Girl if you don't Stop right there. Like.... lmao I can never describe the fucking befuddlement I feel whenever I see things like this.... like girl who do you think made that costume??? Who do you think named that costume???? I don't give a shit if he's wearing pants or not, that costume will always be his! It's based on His Family!!! The Entitlement is Strong with bat stans! Especially bat fanon stans!

#dick grayson #tim drake #anti bat stans #anti bat fanon stans #my post

[starlooove]

This is all because someone said that tim being wealthy DOES impact his character. Like the ppl in the screenshot are defending the idea that tim should be written as middle class and even claimed that plot points about/made possible or exacerbated by his wealth have nothing to do with his characterization bc they’re plot points and not character traits. They also previously said there’s little to no mention of his wealth whilst also trying to say his wealth doesn’t matter because it’s just “new money” (which I’d argue adds a LOT of context to the drakes vs the Waynes but that’s into analysis territory and I’m not getting into with someone who said plot points don’t impact the character 💀)

Anyways the main point of the post isn’t just to clown on them I just want y’all to take that final tweet into account; “They come and take only what they want, they don’t like to delve into the great character that is Tim.” On a post saying Tim being rich doesn’t matter and has nothing to do with his character. Tim Stans I’m not saying this is all of you, but this group of y’all is sooooo. Let’s be nice and say weird. That it makes y’all look bad. When they’re saying “they pick and choose to ignore his character” in order to defend picking and choosing to ignore his character…have a group meeting or smth yall. This is crazy.

#this lowk made me appreciate tumblr tim stans #like Ik y’all wouldn’t say shit like this God Bless #dc should rewrite tim as middle class 💀 #just say you have 0 understanding of why certain details were added to Tim’s character post Jason Todd #and like even if you think it has nothing to do from an in comic standpoint #are u gonna sit there and tell me his being rich doesn’t impact his writers at all? his fans at all? #the way tim has been so accepted and subsequently flanderized (not even flanderized bc some of the traits y’all boil him down to are traits #he doesn’t have) has a lot to do with him being a rich white teen #and i specify teen because the way y’all baby him has to do with his class and race #y’all make it so when you say ‘he’s socially anxious bc he was so secluded at home 🥺🥺🥺’ #and tbh let’s get down to it this is another way for y’all to make him ‘special’ or more likeable without thinking about it #if you think his wealth hasn’t impacted his character why do you want him to be middle class so bad? y’all just wanna relate more #it’s like when u hc him as a poc but refuse to acknowledge that him being white may impact his character #like u don’t know shit and I don’t trust u with subjects like race or class #back to the drawing board sweetheart #im not even tagging this anti tim Drake this is just who he is lmao #anti tim Drake Twitter fans #anti Thomas and Kyle #OH and the “why Is him being rich relevant’ you don’t even know how plot points impact character you wouldn’t know #OOOH and if you mention how it might’ve impacted Bruce’s view of him they’ll call it fanon #like no thats just point A to point B #to be fair they’d prolly call Tim’s mistreatment of Steph being misogyny fanon too #craaaazy #nothing is real it all exists in a void where social issues don’t exist #Ur so so smart

[sinnbaddie]

I hate finding Tim Drake in the Jason Todd tag. I just want content of him not some spoiled overdone character that literally gets everything. Hell he even took the Robin mantle back from Damian I don’t even hate the guy but this is sick

#jason todd #Damian Wayne #anti tim drake #I don’t want his Stan’s in my mentions y’all are irritating

[shetheyshenanigans]

Bullying is okay if it’s Tim Drake

#anti tim drake #tagging Bc his stans Scare Me #I don’t know why I don’t like him #he’s just eurgh #my least favourite bat fam member #I think part of that is probably his fanon characterization #but canon definitely doesn’t help #I just don’t like him #he’s boring

[daytimevigilante]

I hate it whenever I see Damian haters talk shit about Damian, what kind of problems do you have against a young child?

It gets to the point where I would see Damian haters critique Damian for having FEELINGS and expressing them in his own way. What do you want Damian to do?  For example, other characters in the bat family can express their anger and take it out on others, but suddenly when Damian shows that he’s angry, apparently he’s being an annoying brat? Make it make sense. Do you not want him to have feelings? 

It gets to the point where Damian haters say they hate him for having OPINIONS of his own, even if other characters in the Batfam think differently, when that is the entire point of writing a story. No two or more characters are ever going to think or act in a similar fashion, because they have their own issues ( internal and external),  biases, flaws and strengths that differentiate them from one another. What do you want Damian to do? Do you want him to have no opinions at all? 

It gets to the point where I would see people write entire long posts about why they hate Damian because of the stunts that he would pull or the decisions he makes, even though other (white) character(s) in the bat family has made the same actions in the past, if not then something similar. 

The way that some people would try to pick Damian apart and critique him to the point where the only story they want from him is for Damian to stand in the background, with minimal dialogue and to be nothing more than a side character for the white members in the Batfam.  That’s how annoying the Damian haters can be. 

Obviously, comic readers should read what they want and what they enjoy. So if some people don’t like Damians comics, thats perfectly fine and everyone should read what they enjoy. 

But in my opinion, there’s no real reason to hate Damian with a burning passion. Of course he can be critiqued as all characters should,  but don’t hold him to an impossible standard that you would never even think of putting on the white characters in the batfam. 

#my thoughts #my opinions #yes I saw a Damian hater have the audacity to even speak Damians name and I got mad about it #and of course they were a Tim stan #I don't know how to tag this #so... #ill just put whatever #Damian wayne #dc fandom #anti Tim drake #I guess??? #I love Damian so much and he doesn't deserve any slander #any way I hope everyone has a good day except for Damian haters

[alvindraperzzz]

“Selfish” is not and has never been one of Tim Drake’s character traits (outside of New 52, but he was literally a different character in that notoriously terrible period of comics)

#why do I keep going into the tags #why do I keep doing this to myself #between fanon and antis and supposed fans who get their information from antis #so many bad takes #i can’t begin to tell you how many people I’ve blocked #for some reason this description in particular really sticks in my craw #as do all the bs pretending to be woke posts about how him replacing Jason is classist #dont get me started on what the Steph and Damian stans like to claim #if there was ever a Robin to get into the job purely out of a desire to help people #it was tim freaking drake #tim drake #tim [redacted] #that’s my name for nu52 tim lol #Bc he is literally a different person

[leafyforreal]

https://www.tumblr.com/leaves-in-autumn/721300657973362688/thinking-about-how-the-one-time-dick-has-a-say-in

Your tags here are pure YESSSS FINALLY SOMEONE SAYS IT!!!! It's Dick's role how could he not have a say in it. additionally so often the whole Tim-should-have-Robin stance seems to have undertones of racism to it? Like idk how to explain it but I get intense vibes of "Tim deserves it 🥺 not that Other Kid 😒", or vibes of "Tim is the best Robin 😤 Damin should just go back to his mom he's too violent". Y'know? And in fics it's always Dick who needs to apologize and say he was wrong, not the actual adult who attacked a child because they were given a much needed wake up call and told to grow up. At this rate Damian will be Batman and there will still be fans saying Tim should be Robin

(Gonna go on an incoherent tangent here, sorry in advance. Also if I get any of my facts wrong, feel free to let me know lmao)

I'm going to give Tim some credit and say that, despite me dunking on him in the anti tag every five days, I don't actually mind him being Robin.

He's great as the character, has some good comics, and his interactions with the Titans are actually really fun to read and write about! You know, if you ignore the blatant sexism toward Stephanie and the "most obedient" Robin agenda.

On a more serious note, it's also hard to criticize how he got the Robin role too harshly, because from a meta stance there was no way to give the Robin mantle to a whole new kid after the previous one literally exploded on Batman's watch without it feeling really iffy.

But then they decided to bring Robin back, so really there's no easy way to write "oh yeah, Bruce decides to put another kid in danger like the last one" without making it feel super out of character for Bruce (which is something that most Batman comics suffer from anyway atm) and really annoying for some Robin fans (me).

To conclude this thought: I don't mind Tim as Robin. But I would like to talk about the fact that he feels like the anti-thesis of Robin.

Let me explain. From a meta standpoint, Robin exists so that younger comic book readers can project onto a character their own age. So within canon, comic book writers have to find a way to include a superhero kid without it feeling like the adults are being negligent. In DC comics this ranges from "this is fine" to "what the fuck." I would put Dick and Damian in the "this is fine" category, while the other kids get firmly shoved into the "what the fuck" box.

To reiterate, from a meta, outside the comics, standpoint: Robin exists for kids to project onto. But inside the comics, Robin exists for one of two reasons (depending on the run). Either being Batman's sidekick, or being an outlet for Batman to help process Robin's trauma.

Dick starts fighting crime to avenge his parents and it's implied that Batman makes him Robin because he knows that he can't stop him. The same is similar for Jason (also depending on the run), where Bruce mentors him in an attempt to keep him safe and encourage him toward a better path.

The Stephanie Robin comics are really short, and the writing for her was historically. Bad in that era. But I would headcanon that Batman's reasoning for allowing her to be Robin are similar.

Going against the wider consensus on this one by saying that Robin exists because Robin needs Batman. Not the other way around (no matter how many times modern Batman writers try to push that narrative).

Tim is the anomaly (lol spiderverse moment). And I don't mind that!! Tim views Robin primary as Batman's sidekick. He's there to support Batman. Batman needs him, he doesn't need Batman.

What I would really, really love for DC to do with Tim is bring that idea full circle and create a vigilante identity for him that he needs the same way that Dick needs Nightwing, Jason needs Red Hood, and Stephanie needs Spoiler. It would actually make me crazy like Tim.

Keeping Tim as Robin, bringing him back as Robin when Damian is still the canonical Robin, is tired. Which leads me to my next point.

Damian is a great Robin. I cannot express how much I absolutely adore this angry child as Robin. Moving on from the sassy, cheerful child in pixie boots to scowling sword child is actually the funniest move DC could have possibly made.

And he's deserving of the Robin role the most out of any character after Dick for two reasons: he embodies why Robin needs to exist and Dick literally gave it to him.

When Damian becomes Robin, it's Dick (as Batman) giving Damian a role where he can do good and see how the good he does affects other people. At this point in the canon, there's no need for Tim as Robin, because Bruce is dead. Dick doesn't need a Robin, but Damian needs stability.

Damian being Robin makes sense.

Where I really start hating Tim is when we hit this point in the comics. I hate how Tim treats Damian when he shows up (not surprised tho, bc Tim is the least empathetic Robin) and I double triple hate that Tim goes by Red Robin. It's so cringey and ASLDKFJ like sir please just move on?? Like the other Robins did?

I die inside whenever I hear the argument about how Damian "stole" Robin and tried to kill him. If we're calling what Damian did stealing, then that means technically Tim stole Robin, considering the mantle wasn't even given to him the same way Jason, Stephanie, and Damian received it.

On the "he tried to kill Tim" note, I would ask readers to examine their biases because I don't see Cass getting shit for being raised as a human weapon, but Damian gets blasted to high heaven. People really like to forget that Damian was coming straight off Ra's al Ghul's brainwashing. Dick seems to be the only person to actually understand that, and he also gets blasted for taking the mantle away from Tim.

I'm not sure if the comics are explicitly racist about the Tim vs. Damian debacle (bc it's been a minute since I read that run), but it sure feels fucking racist the way fans put the only brown Robin on blast while praising their white fave.

Sorry, this was a really long ramble just to say that: I don't mind Tim as Robin, but Damian is the best one. Change my mind. (You can't.) And also please for the love of GOD stop writing fics where Batfam members "apologize" to Tim.

#anti tim drake #BUT NOT REALLY #i only hate him a LITTLE #some of the time? i'm cool with him #i'm mostly frustrated by tim stans making literally everything about tim when i would just??? like to enjoy some of the other characters pl #ALSO STOP MAKING IT SOUND LIKE DICK DID SOMETHING WRONG BY GIVING DAMIAN ROBIN #HE DIDN'T #damian wayne