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lou-syd · 3 months

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So I read the first issue of Red Hood: The Hill and my expectations were admittedly low because of how poorly Jason is handled most of the time so I'm not disappointed like I've seen some people be (if you are, that's totally valid though, I def get it). I feel entirely neutral about it. I think it wasn't a strong start for an already very, very short run, and with it being a flashback its pacing worries me a bit.

I think it could be interesting going forward but I'm definitely getting the vibe that this is not going to be Jason-centric like a lot of people are. I do think it's too early to tell but it's definitely possible this will focus more on Dana and her crew which like I guess?? I like Dana and I don't mind some of the focus being on her at all. She's interesting and I like when Gotham-set stories actually feel like it's a real but weird place with real people living in it. I enjoy it when they show how much of a mess the city is and how the people living in it have to adapt to get by. Dana's dynamic with Jason has potential and that being the focal point of this whole thing could lead to a more compelling narrative overall. The idea of Jason being the one to try and guide a friend entering into this world could offer up a lot of good character beats for him that we haven't seen a lot of in a while. That being said, it feels like Red Hood is more of a vehicle for this story about The Hill so I'm not holding my breath for it. Retroactively changing his backstory around to fit this place into it also doesn't give me the best feeling either.

As for the rest of the 'new' characters, I don't really care for the little neighborhood watch crew outside of Dana. There's not much to go off and seeing Jason interact with them does nothing for me and just feels forced (but then again most of his relationships are forced in general). Having this many characters with such a short run is not going to allow for any of them to be fleshed out enough for them to feel like they matter in the grand scheme of things. By virtue of this being a flashback, the stakes already feel pretty low so having a cast of characters that aren't particularly compelling and whose relationships with Jason evolved off-panel doesn't help. They have cool designs though, I'll give them that.

I don't like that it took getting through almost halfway through the issue for Jason to show up and when he does it's underwhelming.

So far, it's shaping up to be a one-off story with low stakes. Which is fine. A short, contained story can be good if it's written well and there's something to take away from it. Otherwise, they're just slapping Red Hood on the title for readership's sake and calling it a day. Which like, nothing surprises me anymore but it's lame that this is what we get for Jason after the nightmare mess that was Gotham War and TMWSL.

Apparently, Zdarsky is planning on including Jason in his upcoming Batman arc according to some posts I saw so take that with a grain of salt but the thought of that happening makes me want to grind my teeth into a fine dust.

At this point, I feel like I'm just holding out for nothing with Jason. I don't like any direction they've taken with him outside of some interesting bits here and there so I hope this run picks up.

#is this anything #i do really like Dana so I'm at least interested enough in continuing for her if not for Jason #the new love interest is cute but like im so tired of him being in any kind of romantic situation like please focus on his characterization #especially because it's not going to amount to anything because they want to force him into a situationship so bad #jason todd #red hood #red hood the hill #peach talks #also let me write jason's spanish dialogue thnx

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fishfission-dc · 1 year

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With comic book fans it’s always “current [character] is so out of character because in [specific comic run from 30 years ago] he acted like this.”

Fellas, the best part of comics is that the characters constantly evolve, and probably have been changed over and over again for longer than you’ve been alive. Each writer and artist reimagines the character in their own way, in a new way that will speak to different people in a different time. I shamelessly love New 52 Red Hood & Arsenal, and don’t really like Three Jokers Jason Todd or Young Justice Arsenal. And that’s okay. Maybe you hate New 52 Jason and love Rebirth Jason. And that’s okay!!

Even though it’s irritating, don’t hate on writers and artists for creating your character in a way that you don’t find “accurate.” In comics, after all this time, I don’t think there is an “accurate” way to portray a character. They’re vessels to tell a story, and are meant to change.

It’s okay if you don’t like a certain portrayal of your favorite comic character, because you probably already have media out there to consume that does portray them in a way that speaks to you, and the character will probably continue to grow and change forever. And that’s really cool.

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cainware · 2 years

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I want Jason refusing to help the batfamily. Jason, who's picked up what little bit is left of his life after coming to the understanding that the love and care of most of the bats is entirely conditional, and moved away from Gotham to fully start healing. He doesn't have to contact them, and not having to appeal to their grandiose sense of morality makes his healing so much easier. It's messy still, but he finds that he's happy when he's away from the bats.

#jason todd #im projecting and having a lot of feelings about jason discovering his own happiness #in the absence of having to appeal to a family that continues to #whether by characterization or bad writing #will never trust him and will always somewhat see him as a villain #with the exception of like four people but those same four are rarely shown with him or caring about him in any sense #when hes not directly in front of them to witness it #idk jason not having to live his life in the manipulation tidepool is something i crave so desperately #something about accepting that if theyre only ever going to see him as the bad guy or the problem child #then hes not going to waste his time and his energy trying to be anything else in their eyes anymore #cainschatter

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jasontoddenthusiastt · 8 months

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Characterization: BFTC

1. Yes, he called Gotham evil. That’s just a fact. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t love her like they’ve been married 64 years.

2. ACAB Jason. He also dislikes how Batman became a brand symbol. “Cause & effect > vague ideas”.

3. Child sidekicks recruited for the wrong reasons + Bruce’s fucked up mentality.

4. I’m not going to complain about them attempting to vilify Jason in the attempting to vilify Jason book. But even worded in this misleading way, the point is that he ultimately believed in solid consequences (which Batman could never deliver on).

Batman: Battle for the Cowl #2 (2009)

5. Yeah, that was shitty. All that talk about how he’s “not a child” because he’s dangerous/“from the streets”.

6. Okay the first part obviously yeah but the second part’s not true lol. We all know it, he knows it. He always wanted to do more to protect Gotham than limit himself to a symbol and a set of hypocritical rules like Batman (refer to #2 & 4 lol).

Batman: Battle for the Cowl #3 (2009)

7. He holds his ground. He doesn’t validate their shitty victim blaming by accepting their “help”. Since they found out Jason was SA’d, they keep using that against him to claim he’s just throwing a tantrum rather than actually trying to do his job. He shuts this down like ‘No, you’re wrong. My point has not changed since I came back to Gotham and I won't change my mind now either. Stop changing the topic.’ Lol

#there’s more in the third issue but this would become a bit too long #my post #but again like I said. aside from how obvious it is that the writers only added the SA to rob Jason’s way of any validity #the other characters’ mindsets are just so fucked and not at all agreeable lol #also maybe it’s just me but if I know for a fact that a miniscule detail was just a bad editorial decision #but the rest of my fav’s characterization is half-decent/pretty funny I can enjoy it for what it is & not whine about how he’s too violent #anyway Jason said fuck influencers and fuck u for becoming one Batman #bftc

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cluescorner · 2 months

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Randomized Robins AU - Ages + Worst Trait Exercise:

Steph (25):

Says her worst trait is her murderous rages (she is exaggerating for dramatic/comedic effect, she’s killed 3 people tops and for very good reason)

Thinks her worst trait is her spitefulness (one of the few traits she definitely got from her father + one that prevents her from fixing her relationships and living her best possible life. She’ll refuse to interact with someone she dearly loves after an argument (happens significantly less after Tim’s death) or will say things she knows are hurtful just for the sake of having the last word. This trait will worsen in some ways as the list of people who have wronged her and those she loves grows, but will also ease up as she matures and realizes the harm it’s doing to her relationships with those she loves most.)

Her worst trait really is her spitefulness

Cass (26)

Says her worst trait is her self-righteousness (she believes that her goals are righteous and, as a result, she is righteous. Cass becomes very defensive whenever someone questions the mission and often does not second-guess herself. This is a trait she only develops later in life as she grows closer to Bruce/learns to understand herself more/starts to love herself more. But she knows she isn’t perfect and when somebody she trusts criticizes something she is doing she is willing to listen. She just usually isn’t the one to START the introspection.)

Thinks her worst trait is her self-righteousness.

Her worst trait actually is her obsessiveness (she gets it from Bruce and, while not as bad as him, she will easily become preoccupied with her night-life and the mission if someone isn’t there to pull her back. She will do this to the point of self-destruction and it hurts her relationships with the people she loves, especially Steph.)

Tim (24)

Says his worst trait is his spitefulness (he actively rejects the idea of mending his relationships with the older members of the family and this causes him to also lack good relationships with the younger ones)

Thinks his worst trait is his obsessiveness (similar to Cass, if he gets fixated on a task or idea he will neglect everything else in his life in order to dedicate more time to it. Unlike Cass, he will almost never be dragged away from it unless Pierrot snatches control of the body and forces them to take care of themself.)

His worst trait actually is how manipulative he is (the KING of guilt-tripping and using people’s emotions against them. He’ll do whatever he needs to do to get what he wants, he’s not above crocodile tears. And he will do it to whoever he needs (or wants) to with little care for how his actions impact others.)

Pierrot (Insists: “Age doesn’t apply to me! And even if it did, I'd probably be the oldest. Or the youngest! I’d never be a middle child, though.” Mental assessments by the Bats have put him around 21, with a margin of error of 3 years. Pierrot has called this “blatant character assassination by my eternal rival!”)

Says his worst trait is that he is an irredeemable psychopath without any regard for the wellbeing of others (this is a lie and everyone who's important to him understands this).

Thinks his worst trait is his parasitic nature (he literally would not exist had Tim not suffered the way he did. Plus he is a living reminder of one of the worst things that happened to many of his loved ones. He is a parasite injected into a functional person's body and contributes to his continued suffering. This is also a largely incorrect judgement of himself, caused by his actual worst trait.)

His worst trait actually is his limited sense of self (he doesn’t really know who he is outside of ‘inheritor to the legacy of the Joker (a man he despises yet also views as a father)’ and ‘chip in Tim’s brain that became sentient’. He slowly develops an identity over the course of his life and relationships with other people, but he lacks the foundations of identity that most people have. Pierrot will often almost become a caricature of himself and what others perceive him to be because it's the only person he knows how to be. This causes wild swings in how he behaves and relates to others, sometimes to the detriment of himself and others.)

Dick (17)

Says his worst trait is his clinginess (he is a very extraverted person who likes to be around others, which mixed with his fear of abandonment after his parents died means that if he goes a few days without seeing/talking to a friend he will get very anxious.)

Thinks his worst trait is his anger issues (he gets ticked off very easily and will explode on people. He’s kind at his core and is usually very nice, but he has a temper that can escalate significantly. Spoiler (and later Twist) help him channel this anger into something positive.)

His worst trait actually is his anger issues.

Barbara (18)

Says her worst trait is her disability (internalized ableism, she thinks of herself as less valuable than the other Bats because she cannot be out there in the capes like they can. She will grow out of this as she matures and as she learns how invaluable her support for the team is.)

Thinks her worst trait is her disability

Her worst trait actually is her overly-independent nature (In an attempt to overcompensate for everything she can no longer do, she has resolved to do literally everything that she possibly can without any help from others. This results in many instances where she either takes on too much and winds up not being able to fully realize any of her tasks or where she makes her life and the lives of others significantly harder by refusing help when offered/not asking for it when she needs it.)

Damian (16)

Says his worst trait is his perfectionism (he is overly critical of both himself and others, taking any flaw or problem and amplifying it to an absurd degree. This is due in part to his life with the LoA (where even a brief misstep could lead to death), in part to how others treated him initially as Spoiler (any flaw was fixated on and used as a reason to either mistrust him or portray him as unworthy of the mantle), and in part due to the fact that he is Bruce’s son (the only person with worse perfectionism problems than Damian). Gradually, Damian has improved in this regard but it’s still a massive barrier to both his own happiness and his relationships with others.)

Thinks his worst trait is his perfectionism

His worst trait actually is his perfectionism

Duke (16)

Says his worst trait is his definitely-real secret evil side (says this as a ‘my dad is a villain so who knows??’ joke)

Thinks his worst trait is his impulsivity in his words (Sometimes he will crack a joke or say a remark without thinking it through, leading to a LOT of hurt feelings and drama. He’ll say something without thinking it through and wind up seeming insensitive. This isn’t done because of malice, rather because Duke is someone who’s quick to act and speak. But while the mantle of Insight and his awakening powers have helped him with his actions, they do not always help with his loose tongue. As such, Duke gains an unfair reputation in the media as an instigator and will accidentally cause family drama through what he says.)

His worst trait actually is his impulsivity in his words

Jason (14)

Says his worst trait is his bad manners (he grew up on the streets and has no idea how rich-people society works, which he’s pretty insecure about considering he’s now the youngest kid of Bruce freaking Wayne).

Thinks his worst trait is his reactiveness (Jason never got the privilege of planning ahead for various events in his life, so he instead needed to rely on being swift and harsh in how he could react to situations. It’s saved his life on multiple occasions and helps significantly in his role as Spoiler, but it can also lead to extreme overreactions (accidentally causing kidnapping scare after Jason ran away following a fight with Dick) and a struggle to plan things out ahead of time. As he grows more secure in his place in the family and in life, this trait will lessen but never fully dissipate.)

His worst trait actually is his reactiveness

#stephanie brown #cassandra cain #tim drake #dick grayson #barbara gordon #damian wayne #duke thomas #jason todd #batfamily #randomizedrobinsau #I'm debating whether I should tag this with the Joker Junior tag and those related to it for Pierrot #because like...it's not quite that. but it's also very close to that and is the direct result of that.#but Pierrot would fucking HATE to be tagged as that and sees it as an insult to his identity...which he already has problems with #so I don't think I'm gonna #anyways lmao I am totally projecting my younger self onto Barbara. How could I not? She's literally the reason I view my disability #the way that I do and she actively improved my mental health just by existing and saying some of the shit she did when I was in the #stages of accepting my own disability. So yeah I am projecting a lot onto her because I love her and see myself in her.#I'm mostly basing these characterizations on my favorite versions of them (ie Red Robin 2009 Tim and Birds of Prey Barbara).#so I'm taking the traits I like/think fit in this AU and discarding what I think either is bad or doesn't fit or if I just don't like it.#Damian's 'murder gremlin who is a meanie on purpose because he is a meanie' is entirely unappealing to me and also does not fit this AU #I prefer him when he's portrayed as a sympathetic kid (who is still an asshole) and not a demon child. So that's what I'm using.#same with Talia's 'abusive mother who is totally on-board with all of her father's bullshit and will kill someone for no reason' version #I have read enough comics to know what I like/what is most important and what I don't like/what is #BLATANT CHARACTER ASSASSINATION GRANT MORRISON YOU FUCK YOU SET TALIA BACK SO FUCKING FAR #I also decided to outline their WORST traits because I already know what I like about these characters/their best traits.#most people do. But what was a greater challenge was finding what would make their lives and those of others worse.#what would I hate about this person if I knew them IRL? What would I first suggest they get therapy for? What hurts them and why?#I found these questions really interesting in the context of this AU where some people are forced into completely different roles #the says/thinks/is was inspired by trying to answer that question for myself. I say my worst trait is my impulsiveness but when #I asked others in my life they answered 'oh so you said your weird thing where you don't ask for help right?'

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jasontoddssuper · 9 months

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Nothing but respect for MY Robin Jason!!!!

#he's sooooo best friend-coded i wanna be a sidekick who's besties with him(and eddie)so bad it makes me look stupid #(also to clear up any possible confusion i mean this characterization for him!!!)#jason todd #robin #red hood #teen titans #ditf #lost days #utrh #rhato #the outlaws #teen titans:damian edition #dead sidekicks force #team dual #the anomalies #tiny titans #letters from summer

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dceasesd · 1 year

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i still have not forgiven dc for having talia sleep with jason during lost days nor will i ever

#sometimes i remember and i full body shudder #one of the pieces of canon i will never under any circumstances accept #cuz it’s just fucking GROSS #jason was soooo young and it’s just creepy #it’s so bad for talias characterization and even creepier because she’s almost like a mother to jason #just ugh. what were the writers thinking #dc comics #jason todd #batman #dc #red hood #talia al ghul #red hood: lost days

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porcelaintoybox23 · 2 years

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The fake person I made up: you’re saying you don’t like a happy batfam?

Me: No, I don’t want a happy batfam. I don’t want Bruce Wayne to be a good “dad” or mentor. At best, he tries and falls short because he isn’t suited to properly caring for others.

I don’t want dunce, can’t cook, nerfed Dick Grayson, I want one who’s just as cold and calculating as Bruce can be. One that suffers from perfectionism and anger issues because Bruce demands so much and this orphaned boy needed a father, not an adult child soldier.

I want a Dick Grayson that’s angry that his supposed “family” failed him and literally left him with amnesia and blamed him for it. I want the Dick Grayson who moved to New York instead of Gotham because even nuclear fallout can’t make him be near Bruce.

I want a Dick that resents Bruce. A Dick Grayson that considers John his real father and hates that he’s still so much like Bruce regardless.

I want a Jason Todd who keeps his distance because Bruce keeps making the same mistakes. I want a Jason Todd that kills because Bruce’s views should be challenged. I want a Jason Todd who is independent of the Batfam and does his own thing.

I don’t want the edgy, street trash Jason. I want the excited boy who had his joy beaten out of him.

I want a Tim Drake that’s still Red Robin. I want the neurotic kid who cloned his bf(f) like 99 times, accidentally killed Cass’s mom, and goes toe to-toe with Ra’s al-Ghul. The kid who’s morals are a little more suspect. The one with the potential to go Savior.

I want Barbara Gordon as Oracle. I want the Barbara with the sirens. I want the Barbara who wouldn’t kiss Jason and berate Dick for his amnesia.

I want a Cassandra Cain that’s utilized more.

I don’t want a happy batfam because there is no reality in which a batfam can be healthy. Bruce dedicated his life to “vengeance.” The man is focused on the mission. He will lie, manipulate, and use people. Bruce Wayne is the kind of man who keeps a list on how to kill his teammates despite being against killing. Bruce Wayne is paranoid and needed a child to rein in his murderous rage. Bruce Wayne beat Dick into faking his death. Even is his best iterations, he’s a paranoid recluse who can’t distinguish between himself and the mask.

I think batfam is fun…crack. I consider it crack. This urge to make them close and loving feels so out of character at times. I’m not saying none of them have positive relationships. I love Dick and Damian as close brothers. I think Tim and Jason are funny at times. BUT if any superhero family should be fucked and full of tension, it’s the bats. The supers and speedsters can be healthy. Maybe, maybe the arrows, but not the bats.

#this is my manifesto as to why dick Grayson should be a bitch #dc #batfam #according to omniverse everything is canon #reminder that this is my opinion and characterization #dick grayson #jason todd #tim drake #barabra gordon #cassandra cain #Bruce Wayne #dc comics #anti batfamily #it can kinda be read like that #I don’t mind batfam I just want them miserable #yes I watched Batman beyond #Bruce Wayne is a bad dad #a negative opinion?#oh no! anyway

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