#but also arguments with bruce

[rubydubydoo122]

I saw someone say a while ago that Jason attacking Tim at Titans Tower was just Tim hallucinating bc he was feeling guilty about being Robin even though Jason's not dead. Which is great, amazing, I think the whole Titans Tower thing is Bonkers, but I think it would be so much funnier if Jason tried to Gaslight Tim into believing the Titans Tower incident never happened, not because he's like evil, he's just super embarassed about it. like Or Tim did actually hallucinate Jason at TT but thinks it was real, so when he tells Jason about it, Jason's so fucking confused, and Tim thinks Jason's Gaslighting him

Tim: Remember that time when you broke into Titans Tower and beat me half to death while wearing a Robin costume from party city

Jason: What? Tim, I know i'm crazy, but I'm not...Insane.

Tim, pulling down his collar: I literally have the scar to prove it

Jason: Bruce told me that was from Clayface pretending to be me, which, might I just say rude. Tim... are you ok? Did you hallucinate me attacking you? like, I know I've done that before, but...

Tim, frowning: I don't think I hallucinating. I was benched for a while after because I had to recover-

Jason: well, you were benched around the time I was dropping hints that I knew who Bruce was outside of Batman, he probably just benched you to keep you safe. You probably were working too many cases with too little sleep and your imagination started to run wild.

Tim: Are you gaslighting me?

Jason: Are you gaslighting me?

#jason todd #tim drake #titans tower #gaslight gatekeep girlboss #schrodinger #they argue about it for eternity #but neither of them check the footage #because they think the argument's so silly #they also never ask Bruce #it would be so easily solved #but if they ask somone they're someone's gonna get in big trouble #Bruce: Jason why are you gaslighting Tim? #Bruce: Tim you need to get more sleep or I'm benching you #Jason honestly doesn't remember a lot from his fresh back to gotham era because he just represses it #so he really doesn't know either #and he's scared to know if it's actually true or not

[frownyalfred]

My mon always said that Bruce wayne of ben affleck was the most handsome, when I was younger and I watched bvs the movie I didn´t liked him, but now that Im older..oh god he is so dilf, brrrrr I love old sexy man

He has just enough DILF energy to be wildly sexy while also technically having 0 children who are alive and/or talking to him.

#though arguments can be made #that alfred is technically the reigning DILF of that movie #since his kid IS alive #and he's also wildly sexy #but he can be a GILF i'm fine with that #ben affleck #batfleck #batman #batman v superman #dc #dc comics #bruce wayne #asks #anon

[oifaaa]

Bruce should kill the Joker because he created the Joker. Batman is the one that chased him into ace chemicals which resulted in him falling into the acid and the Joker is obsessed with Batman. We’ve seen (at least in one DC movie) that the Joker just stops being the Joker when Bruce dies. Could this all have happened without Batman? Yes and then it would be someone else’s problem but right now Joker is a monster of Batman’s creation and he should be the one to end him.

On your same logic should it also be on Joker's parents since they also created him, or maybe on the government / social systems since they were the ones that failed joker to begin with and made him turn to a life of crime ? If anyone has the legal right in America to kill the joker it would be the criminal justice system so why dont they sentence joker to death? Bruce hands joker off to the local authorities every other week shouldnt it be their responsibility at that point to keep joker incarcerated until he can be deemed no longer a threat to himself and others? And just bc one dc movie said joker would stop after Bruce dies doesn't mean that always happens especially with how dc keeps insisting there are multiple jokers- does Bruce have to kill all the jokers or just the one he personally spooked off the side of a platform by accident? I don't totally think you can blame Bruce for joker being as insane as he is since harley took the same dip and she still redeemable, and I don't think it should be on Bruce to compromise his morals just to kill a clown that literally several other people can kill - and I know " "ohh but Bruce gets in the way" then don't tell batman about it don't invite batman to your execution of the joker don't let him find out when Bruce's no kill rule is at its maximum (bc writers can't decide how extreme it should be) he can't let anyone die if he knows about it so just be sneaky and don't let him know

#ask #anon #i think its funny that people also are ignoring #bruce himself in this argument #bc bruce says constantly #if i kill one person i will not be able to stop #hes literally like someone who knows they have an addictive personality #refusing alcohol at a party and everyone keeps saying nah but this one drink its only one drink and you made the drink the drink deserves i #are you all prepared for the batman you get after he kills i guess is what im asking #anyway bc of a certain someone i really wanna draw some werewolf jason again #so might do that tonight #well see #but yeah genuinely been enjoying reading everyones opinion on the matter #so far i dont think any have changed my mind #just nice seeing everyone talk about it too

[not-another-robin]

Another one of the many, many stupid ongoing goofs in the league. J'onn chooses sides based on who's annoyed him least that day

#also id like to point out this is how jonn found out hes nonbinary #narsposting #dc comics #justice league #does anyones elses friends/fam have silly ongoing joke arguments like this cuz i think its fun #'tits out in the common room' and 'jonn counts as one of the girls' are in that roster #j'onn j'onzz #martian manhunter #shayera hol #hawkgirl #wally west #the flash #john stewart #green lantern #diana prince #wonder woman #bruce wayne #batman #justice league cartoon

[poisonousquinzel]

Harley: is literally friends with Batman at this point in the comics

some folks: uh actually Harley hates him! the fandoms "wine aunt" jokes miss the point because she hates Batman and she hates his family!

Harley Quinn (2021 - ) #29

just the little things (having a snack) you do with your enemy you hate so so much who you despise and wish would die and who's family you deeply hate and also wish would die

#ivy doesnt care enough about him to hate him lbr #he's a pest at best #but if she Hated him he'd be dead just like realistically j0ker should be #she has way too much power and the constant ability to kill him if she hated him that much #he's not worth her time he just gets in the way #and ya know dc constantly pretending like she wouldn't be able to just #violently murder anyone if she wanted to because plants are kinda really powerful??? #a plan and failsafes are nice and all but you can't gadget your way out #of a plant growing /rapidly/ inside your intestines and ripping you apart from the inside until your organs shut down or you bleed to death #also also sorry but if you list that one detective comic with the gaming systems in your argument I'm gonna disregard your opinion #That chapter has the same level of understanding about Harley & Harleen as the ebkt comic did. #aka insulting trash #harley quinn #harleen quinzel #dc comics #batman #bruce wayne

[zeroducks-2]

How fucked up in the head can you be to say something like "Barry losing his mom isn't such a big deal" and "he should get over it". Are you fucking okay. Are you aware of the words you type on your keyboard. Do you need me to beat some sense into you because I fucking will.

#today in - being an orphan is not a big deal ladies and gents and everyone else #Barry haters are on another level #August says something along those lines and August is a fucked up dude who murders kids and then claims he's the good guy #so sounding like August isn't exactly a good thing just sayin #also I have not seen anyone use the same argument for Bruce or Dick #so is it a big deal for them but not for Barry like explain the double standard you ass #sorry I saw an asinine comment on YT and had to vent #why do I even open the YT comment section anyway

[tastycitrus]

honestly, why is cass in three places at once? if everything is going on at the same time then cass is still in the spirit world with xanthe and constantine while also in the living world teaming up with black canary and the new birds of prey AND dealing with gotham war with the rest of the bat-family

#batgirl #cassandra cain #forget three jokers we have three cassandra cains #i mean you can easily make the argument that spirit world takes place over a few days or so at most #and you can argue that bop and gotham war aren't going on at the same time #but what about detective comics vs this ongoing gotham war stuff huh... #cass is in both...and apparently they're taking place around the same time... #so she and dick are working with bruce in detective comics...while also fighting him in gotham war... #does anyone in DC talk to each other? does editorial actually look at anything coming out right now? it doesn't feel like it

[gecemi09]

Regarding Batman and Responsibility: A Rant

So, whenever there is talk about the age old question of "Should Batman kill Joker?" there is always, and I mean always someone who says something along the lines of: "But it's not Batman's responsibility to kill Joker so it's wrong to put the burden onto him." and on the surface this seems like a reasonable argument. After all, there is a police department in gotham, there is a government, so shouldn't we hold them accountable as well? Well, not exactly.

(Warning: I probably mispelled responsibility and responsible a LOT in this post, please don't begrudge me for it.)

Of course, those institutions ARE responsible for the Joker to some degree but the real question, to me, is: why is Batman considered as "NOT responsible" when he very much is.

People who make this argument usually say: "Well Batman is a volunteer, a vigilante! This is practically none of his bussiness." And true, Bruce isn't required to be a vigilante, he does it entirely out of his own volition. But is that not the whole reason why he IS responsible? I mean, Bruce is the one who CHOSE to take up that responsibilty, he is the one who CHOSES to shoulder that burden. In that sense he isn't that different from a government official/cop/etc. those people do it of their on will too don't they? Bruce, day after day, year after year, choses to fight for Gotham, to protect it and its people; he takes those responsibilities onto himself and yet... stopping Joker somehow, isn't one of them?

In my opinion, it is hypocritical. Bruce is the one who says things like "Gotham is MY city" or "I don't allow metas in Gotham, you need MY permission." or "You can't operate as a vigilante in Gotham without my say-so."(Stephanie Brown, anyone?) he routinely describes his vigilantism as a "war on crime"(which, yikes) and calls it a "crusade" and says it is his "mission" no? He chooses to do these things all on his own, no one forces him to. At a certain point, it's a matter of integrity. He can't pick and choose what exactly constitutes to protecting Gotham and what doesn't. He can't decide that beating up muggers in the streets is extremely important and is his job while improving Arkham isn't. He can't decide that, despite putting Joker in Arkham over and over again knowing he's going to escape, he isn't at least partly responsible for Joker's future victims. He can't keep stopping people from killing Joker(Under the Red Hood, hello!), saving Joker from the death row, putting Joker into a Lazarus Pit, or saving him from natural disasters(because you KNOW he would) and then claim "Oh, but killing Joker isn't my responsibility." He can't willingly claim responsibility for Gotham in every other scenario, EXCEPT for that. That's just having your cake and trying to eat it too. Unless he decided that by saving Joker he is not actually harming Gotham, by allowing Joker to live he is actively NEGLECTING his mission, his duty. And anyway, I thought the whole point of superhero comics was that people with power to better things shoud use those powers to do exactly that. Batman DOES have the power to "better" Gotham, he just isn't using it.

"Killing Joker isn't Batman's responsibility." No, it is. Because protecting Gotham and its people IS his responsibility, as he took it onto himself. If he didn't want to deal with the consequences of such a thing then he shouldn't have become a vigilante in the first place.

Mind you, this doesn't mean he's the ONLY one responsible, far from it, just that he is.

(I genuinely don't remember whether I made a post on this before but I have ranted about this to myself outloud when alone multiple times and if I have to think about this so do you)

[And YES we all know the real reason is because Joker is DC's cashcow, that is not the point of this post...]

#am i the only one who thinks this way?? mutuals pls sned help #like seeing this argument annoys me soo much #apparently bruce has authority on who can do heroing in gotham but killing joker isn't his responsibility?? #this is also @ the people who say fixing arkham isn't bruces responsibiltiy btw #yes it is??? #he is the one beating ppl up and sending them there #his whole thing is “i want to make gotham into a better place” #so yes it is his responsibility #i guess this might be a subjective thing? like depending on how much someone cares about personal integrity lol #personally if you willingly took on a responsibility then there is no excuse for slacking off(for lack of a better term) #anti bruce wayne #anti batman #batman critical #went hard in this one lol #i just hate this argument #its fine if it goes againts bruces moral code thats fine #but dont start the responsibility discusison w me lol #screaming to the void #also slitting jasons throat is his responsibility but killing joker isnt?? be fucking fr dude

[evilwickedme]

Somebody actually just reblogged my post and said I'm confusing superman for batman cause I said superman refuses to kill. Motherfucker, show me the panels. Give me a fucking source. Give me an issue number where superman kills. Wonder Woman killing is literally a source of major tension between her and BOTH batman and superman. I know my fucking shit

#gail speaks #dc #dc trinity #superman #clark kent #batman #bruce wayne #ww #wonder woman #jla #Bruce and Clark don't kill for different reasons #Bruce has that fucking slippery slope argument #and Clark just genuinely believes every person can become better when given the chance #but dear God more than one superhero can have a code against killing 💀 #spiderman and daredevil also have a thing about not killing and that ALSO causes tension in their lives #if my post was about Peter would they have said that they think I'm confusing him with Matt????

[ragnarokhound]

"reading under the red hood and it's pretty good i think" - jason todd fan who has only seen the cartoon adaptation of under the red hood

#getting my hands on the comic for utrh is cracking my entire brain open about werewolf fic like you don't understand #the cartoon movie was pretty tight but the comic is more robust. and yall the themes for werewolf fic...they're all coming together #now if only i could write the girls fighting FR I'M TOO SOFT YOU GUYS OTL #i'm just feeling insane over the first confrontation with bruce and how Jason tells him that 'gotham is evil' #and 'you have to fight her where she lives' and 'i live there' LIKE #it's only fueling my crazed impression that the end to Jason's philosophy has only two ends #when he's done what he's set out to do and rid the world of evil by cutting it out (which is futile; blind and toothless etc but details) #either: he changes his philosophy and becomes the very type of villain he hates or he dies himself. because he also deserves death #'i live there' ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? #sorry if this is Not News to people or if Jason has had some serious growth vis a vis this entire mindset but like. #I'M INSANE ABOUT IT. I'M CHEWING ON IT FOREVER #and bruce is the wrong person to try to sway Jason off this path. theres way too much baggage too much history too many complicated feeling #but...tim...? >.> #tim i think has enough 'this is not my philosophy this is company policy and i'm the worlds okayest employee' energy to eventually do it #like obviously stuff would need to Happen for it to be possible lol but you guys. this is what made jaytim so tasty to me in the first plac #tim being capable of meeting jason halfway like bruce can't; tim being able to hold the conversation with jason without it collapsing #tim having rebuttals to jason's arguments that might actually get somewhere with him eventually... #i'm not saying it would be fast or easy or even make sense in canon lmao but think there's a lot of fic potential there owo #like tim's vicious streak is something jason would appreciate. :3c #local jaytim fic author rambles about jaytim in the tags once again more at eleven lol anyway #jason todd #dc

[oifaaa]

Does cass give Bruce batman back when he comes returns or is she just like “nope Batman’s mine now no take backs” and forces him into retirement

She doesn't give it back straight away just bc he needs some rest after the whole lost in time thing but she does give it back also Damian shows up and Alfred makes him Robin so cass just peaces out she's not got the patience for that

#Ask #Anon #Also don't think cass could stop Bruce from going out as batman #And she knows this #So save an argument

[forevercloudnine]

Evaluation of Bruce Wayne by Leslie Thompkins (from Batman: The Imposter).

#alfred pennyworth #leslie thompkins #bruce wayne #batman: the imposter #love bruce's characterization in this comic. not sure if leslie's diagnosis is intentionally contradicted by the comic or what #like for example 'oppositional defiant disorder' means kids who are vindictive and argumentative but DON'T get violent or destroy property #but in this sequence of panels bruce is literally described as doing both of those things #and also later in the comic we do seem him exhibit empathy #like. extreme unhealthy amounts of empathy that results in obsessive emotional attachment #it's just that his empathy is very limited to people who remind him of his own worst experiences #ironically what this really makes me think of is ghostmaker #who thought bruce was another psychopath and was upset when he realized otherwise #like that's not his specific personality disorder but i can see how he passed as one until he explained his motivations

[cephalog0d]

Me: I'm not going to keep reading Gotham War as it releases, I'll just wait until it's over and just get angry once at the end instead of being angry every week.

Also me: *does not do that, keeps reading the garbage fire, keeps getting angry*

#look it's not like i don't get the point here and it's not even like i can't see BITS of good stuff #like i haven't complained at all about bruce because yeah i get what they're doing and that's fine #SOME of the characters have had MOMENTS of good writing #as long as you ignore the core premise and how fucking stupid it is that any of them are going along with it #and you only care about the main four Batboys and are willing to accept some real up and down writing #and don't care at all about duke or steph or cass since the people writing this CLEARLY don't #everyone who argued that the premise isn't totally terrible because the kids aren't SUPPORTING selina they're just not fighting her #owes me $20 and an apology after Batman 138 explicitly negated that argument #also the timeline continues to be a goddamn mess and everything is contradictions but whatever it's not like it's a giant PLANNED crossover #where you could have figured this stuff out #i want to suckerpunch whoever brought scandal into this what are they doing to my girl i hate this #i dunno man i have a lot of thoughts that boil down to 'this didn't have to suck this bad' and it's a shame that it does #Batkids teaming up against Bruce because he's out of control? I am actually very on board for that! In theory! If it was good! #alas #comics talk #gotham war

[transsexualjoanofarc]

stuck in traffic with this girl playing the band & fleetwood mac at peak volume

#me.txt #i say 'this girl' weve known eavh other since we were six #its better than travis scott & kanye west which she usually plays #also got in an argument with her over bruce springsteen vs the band version of atlantic city. 'the bruce springsteen version is a cover' no #the fuck it aint

[mid-nightowl]

god i have some many thoughts about gotham war, my brain hurts

#i don't even know where to start #selina's relationship with the batkids? #bruce's spiral and the fact that he's blind to it? #and that he's become an unreliable narrator? #im still 50/50 on if zur is truly being the main influence here or just loosened bruce's fine control over his impulsive thoughts/ideas #everything about jason? #how steph and cass +kate are missing from the entire thing? #how bruce's spiral is intimately connected to love but also jason? #like seriously jason is the fucking cornerstone of this entire event #and yet him and bruce still haven't had a good argument about anything #like bruce straight up tells jason a life of crime will kill him and jason doesn't throw back that fighting crime killed him first #there are so many interesting points in this event about crime and fighting crime but it got pushed to the side #for fucking vandal savage????? MAN WHAT #i miss when events/arcs were longer bc there's no way to wrap this up in two more issues in a good way #i still think gotham war's conclusions will lead into the next batman arc: batman vs joker vs jason

[teleportationmagic]

Only unmessy Robin transitions were pre-crisis Dick -> Jason and modern Damian -> Tim (if you count that as a transition) and I find the absolutely hilarious

#You can make an argument for Jason -> Tim too by virtue of Jason being dead #but I feel like Jason's reaction after coming back more then makes up for it #Actually you could argue that the Steph -> Tim transition was seamless but Tim's large and varied feelings about Steph post-death #kinda disqualifies that for me. Personally. #Robin #telespeak #dick grayson #jason todd #tim drake #stephanie brown #damian wayne #I am also thinking about this specifically in contrast to the batgirl transition (which is normally handed down w/ Bruce in the picture) #and the Batman transition (Oh Noes Bruce is Gone. Also 33% odds that Batman kills someone)