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jiangwanyinscatmom · 10 months
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The uwu-fication of Jiang Cheng also comes with the side effect of justifying Yu Ziyuan's abuse over Wei Wuxian, and EVEN JIANG CHENG.
"She was the way she was because she cared"
"It was all Jiang Fengmian's fault for ignoring Jiang Cheng"
"YZY has a right to be mad at WWX bc she never asked for there to be another child in the family"
Like the braindeas takes make me want to yeet myself off a cliff 💀
I also think that Jiang Fengmian is over-villianized by JC stans to an extent that he becomes a caricature of a bad father.
V curious to know your thoughts on all this!
Good afternoon!
I've had a long standing issue of his stans propelling Madam Yu to saintly levels, as they deny her abuse of children, or try to excuse it for the dismissal of what she does to Jiang Cheng and Wei Wuxian themselves.
The only ideal outcome in the Jiangs lives as a "what if" is if she died too young for Jiang Cheng to remember. I do not mean that by nature he would change (I believe he would always be dour, caustic and rude as his base self). But he would be competent and would not have a dangerously possessive and obsessive lifestyle to the detriment of his self and others.
To say abuse is care, is one of the most used lines to gaslight victims to stay. As well as shifting the blame to say the victims should have done more, they should have been stronger, less scared. It's their fault for letting it get to that point after all.
To blame a child for simple existing and needing basic decency and care, is heartless and people who think that enough to argue, is vile.
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canes-venatici200 · 2 years
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Modern Prompt: Zombie Apocalypse Part 1?
Jiang Fengmian and Madame Yu were eaten alive by zombies in front of Jiang Wanyin, Jiang Yanli, and Wei Wuxian. Madame Yu had started a screaming match about Wei Wuxian and Jiang Fengmian that attracted the zombies. While they were running out of the hideout, Jiang Wanyin angrily questioned Wei Wuxian why didn’t he save his parents and if he would have taken their place they would have survived. As the zombies were catching up, full of hate he told him he was taking the debt he owed them and punched Wei Wuxian and shot his arm with his crossbow to the wall to use as a decoy for a catatonic Jiang Yanli and himself to escape. Wei Wuxian trying to get the bow out of his arm gets bitten by a zombie and in an instant he pulls it out and stabs the zombies head with the bow.
Wei Wuxian knowing that he will get turned in about 2 hours grabs a knife from the kitchen, alcohol, rags and locks himself in a room. Time passes and Wei Wuxian doesn’t get the fever that usually happens with the bite. More hours pass and the bite stops bleeding. He eventually falls asleep and wakes up with no symptoms, the zombie noises that were so loud outside have also stopped. After staying inside the house for several days the bite even starts healing. Not taking any chances he stays inside the house for several weeks until the food and water runs out. When he finally goes outside there’s no zombies anywhere. The bite was even healing faster than the injury Jiang Wanyin did to him. After traveling for several weeks he notices that not a single zombie comes near him, they even run away from him if they see him! The ultimate test was when he rescues a young man named Wen Ning from getting eaten by a mob of zombies by simply walking up to him. All the zombies ran away!
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koo-worid · 1 year
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one of the most wildest things i have read in this fandom is that wen qing would greatly admire madam yu like bffr she would hate her
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ssaalexblake · 2 years
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twinkpoll · 11 months
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Is Lan Quiren and Jiang Fengmian in the Old Queens lineup? They're old queens to me ꨄ
I will put Lan Qiren, but not Jiang Fengmian because he is a wishy-washy piece of shit and both Jiang parents deserve to burn in hell.
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enden-k · 2 years
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i came back to your account to find out youve gotten into mdzs since the last time ive been here. welcome !
thanks!! mdzs is slowly but surely comsuming me and providing my gay little heart with joy and pretty men. i love living
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Also isn't there a rule that's like protect the innocent?
Does that only count when the innocent are living on land ruled by the lan sect? Or does that only count when the innocents in question arent named wen?
Are they only innocents if they pay taxes to you and family land for you and do all the things that would soil your beautiful white robes? If they stopped doing that would you stop protecting them and still consider yourselves good?
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theballadofmars · 6 months
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I need a fic where the war never happened because I like to imagine that when wangxian starts dating (but only jc, yanli and lxc knows and the rest of the cultivation world think they hate esch other), wwx jokes that if lwj wants to marry him he has to ask first to jiang fengmian and madam yu.
But lwj, bless his heart, actually does it. Also this is the time when yanli and jzx broke their engagement so when people start to talk about the lan clan going to yunmeng with the intention to marry a jiang, everyone thinks that it's yanli and jzx starts to panic.
So, lwj gets to yunmeng, madam yu is looking at him like she's about to kill him if he does something wrong, jfm is at his wife's side but we all know she's the one who takes the decisions.
Madam yu: so, you want my daughter's hand in marriage. Well, you're not jzx, but the second jade of lan is not...
Lwj: sorry, but I'm here to ask for Wei Ying's hand.
Wwx can't take it anymore and starts laughing.
Wwx: LAN ZHAN! I wasn't being serious!! I can't believe you actually did it!!!
Jfm and madam yu are confused, yanli feels sorry for them but at the same time this is too funny, and jc wants to die.
Because holy shit??? What do you mean that lwj, the amazing lwj, wants to marry wwx????? Madam yu and jfm are in shock. They obviously accept but they're like. So confused. Didn't they hate each other???
It gets worse, because a few days later jzx arrives to yunmeng and suddenly yells: "PLEASE LET ME MARRY YOUR DAUGHTER I REALLY LOVE HER PLEASE DON'T MARRY LAN WANGJI" or something like that.
It's pathetic. Jzx is there with only jgy and its obvious that he spent the last days flying as fast as he could to yunmeng, because he looks like shit.
But yanli finds it adorable, and jgy convinces madam yu to accept jzx terrible proposal.
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noinobonoto · 10 months
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I think the saddest part about Wei Wuxian's abuse by Madam Yu isn't the whipping or the kneeling or the belittlement... but the way she treated his parents.
Wei Wuxian's parents are dead. He is an orphan. He also lived under the same roof as the man who knew and was friends with his parents, especially his father who used to be his servant.
And yet he knows almost nothing about them, he knows as much as a bystander about who Cangse Sanren and Wei Changze were. The only things he has is a foggy memory or two and other people's gossip. All because of Madam Yu.
He can't mention them, he can't talk about them at all or ask about them because he will get punished, because Madam Yu hates their (mainly his mother's) mere existence and makes it everyone's problem. And it's so funny too, that she is always the one mentioning them in the first place, always to insult them. Wei Wuxian grew up in a place where his parents were badmouthed all the time, where he couldn't mention them or learn anything about them from Jiang Fengmian because Madam Yu made it impossible.
It's just so sad.
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essekknits · 1 month
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Can’t help but wonder what the dynamics of the Jiang family would’ve been if Wei Ying was a little girl instead of a little boy.
First change I think would have to happen is that madam Yu would have to find different reasons to hate her, if she even continues hating her this much. This Wei Ying is not a threat to her son’s inheritance, or to her daughter’s prospects, so that is one part of the hatred not really being there anymore.
As a result of this, Jiang Cheng and Wei Ying’s relationship would be a bit less fraught, I think. Jiang Cheng is no longer constantly being compared to Wei Ying as “he’s the son your father actually wanted, he doesn’t love you”. He can instead take more joy in a second older sister, one who likes to wrestle with him and race him in the lakes, which his sister can’t really do, but who he also might be a bit more comfortable leaning on emotionally than he might’ve been a brother.
In this AU, Yanli might bear the brunt of the comparisons, but I also think she’s more well-equipped to handle it? Female Wei Ying would still be a strong cultivator, which Yanli very much isn’t, but Yanli’s identity doesn’t revolve around her cultivation the way Jiang Cheng’s does. She’s slightly older, and as sad as it is, more used to being looked down on. She doesn’t resent Wei Ying her success the same way she doesn’t resent Jiang Cheng his.
There would also have to be a change in the rumours. I feel like one of the rumours, instead of being “Wei Wuxian is Jiang Fengmian’s bastard with Cangse Sanren” (although that rumour isn’t completely gone either), would turn into a slightly more sinister “Jiang Fengmian couldn’t have the mother, so he’s raising the daughter to become his concubine/second wife/replace his bitch of a wife”.
Which brings us to the final point: Jiang Fengmian. A lot about that man and his motives is left to speculation for the readers, and I saw many beautiful and incredibly valid interpretations of his motives. Maybe he genuinely just wanted to find his friends’ child to honour them. Maybe he wanted to earn a loyal guard to his son. Maybe he was trying to use Wei Ying as a replacement for the friends he lost.
Maybe he couldn’t have the mother, so he took the daughter.
I just think having a female Wei Ying can cause some interesting ripple effects that I’d love to explore, and isn’t just “slap different pronouns on character”.
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jiangwanyinscatmom · 10 months
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I don't know if you already answered this so feel free to ignore.
What is your thoughts on Yu Ziyuan? am I the only one that thinks fandon defence of her saying she is just the typical Asian tiger mom is insulting to Asian mothers? You can be strict and not be abusive and guess what? YZ is not it.
Hell the author themselves made an entire chapter to say that she took things too far too often against a single person to be simple discipline towards a disciple. It was personal and she took great pleasure in it, just bc WY decides to stay despite his treatment doesn't make it any less horrible.
Am i the only one that thinks she only accepted WC orders to whip WY because she always took any chance to do so? That if Wang Lingjao hadn't mentioned she would have to be subservient to someone of lower class she would have gleefully cut off WYs hand and not reacted at all to the Wen invasion?
That in her last moments she made sure to remind WY one last time that he would be nothing but a servant to her, to tie him with a last wish so he would have the moral obligation to give up everything to JC like a proper servant should? I wholly believe part of her sudden tenderness to JC in her last goodbye was to also rub in WY face not only what he never had but what JC was losing just to rub salt in the wound.
Just, in what universe does people see a girlboss misunderstood by the world and its sexism? sometimes i think i read the wrong books or saw a different show... am i really the only one that sees this?
Good evening anon, I've been sitting on this a bit as I was weighing how exactly to answer this coherently. So, for the short answer; I do not like her as a character nor is she supposed to be seen as anything deeper than what she is. A terrible mother and person who let resentment rule her.
The Long Answer: She is not misunderstood, she is very easy to break down. She was a jealous youth who actively agreed to a marriage where the fiancé was already lukewarm to her disposition and continued to cast blame on Cangse Sanren stealing something she never had. Note as well, as she was the one to force a marriage and insisted on this even after Cangse Sanren had married Wei Changze. She is selfish and entitled. This carries over to how she treats her children, she is not happy with her own self, so she hyper focused on the flaws she instilled within Jiang Cheng. Instead of actually supporting him as a mother should, she insults him and instead of love she actively despises and insults her own child. This is not a healthy parental figure. She was hardly there enough obviously to even think of offering care and love in a very negligent household. She laughs instead when Wei Wuxian is brought in she is more concerned about being proven right about adding another child into the household will disrupt their already volatile dislike of each other.
Not once does she praise her children she fixates on despising Wei Wuxian and being annoyed he is able to be talented naturally so much she constantly pits her son against him herself and encourages that resentment to grow in him. She does not care about anything other than her own festering hate, and sure as hell never nurtured her own with love. She is miserable, pathetic and no whatever love she may have held for Jiang Cheng was toxic and all the worse to him as she never uplifted him as an actual loving parent should.
Her treatment of Wei Wuxian is certainly just as vile given he wasn't even her own yet she stayed forever jealous all over her own stories that exasperated her own hate for Cangse Sanren and superimposed that to Wei Wuxian. She has no excuse for her treatment of any of the children under her household. Hate is a sad way to live and end life, and it stops being sympathetic when she lived and died garnering the feelings and reactions she earned with it.
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canes-venatici200 · 2 years
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Prompt:
A year before the beginning of the Cloud Recesses classes, Madame Yu goes on a night hunt. Meng Yao waiting for this opportunity for several years finally makes his move. There’s nothing unusual about Madame Yu going night hunting but what is unusual is her crossing paths with another sect with a prominent member leading it. Meng Yao already having this plan on the works for several years makes sure that the groups don’t intersect when Madame Yu finishes her night hunt and the others arrive. Wen Chao arrives after hearing about a new beautiful courtesan in the next town and when he arrives many people in the inn start acting nervous. Wen Chao immediately starts getting suspicious that he orders his bodyguard Wen Zhuliu to immediately figure out what’s going on. After some time he returns and tells him that in the inn there’s someone very important from the gentry “seeing someone “.
Wen Chao thinking it unusual that Jin Guangshan wasn’t in his usual brothels goes up the stairs with his disciples because of a feeling and hears loud noises of a woman and a bed. Seeing that no one was outside the door he opens the door and immediately starts laughing. He orders his disciples to detain Madame Yu and her “friend” and to call the Jiang Fengmian over. She immediately starts screaming after being dragged outside the inn in just her inner robe and the man is completely naked. Immediately everyone from all around town starts coming over and Wen Chao loudly starts telling everyone how he found the lady of Lotus Pier with her “friend “. He then orders to everyone to search the rooms and they come across several letters from many years that immediately makes Wen Chao crack up again because it looks like this has been happening since before she even married Jiang Fengmian. Wen Chao even starts saying that Jiang Yanli and Jiang Wanyin probably aren’t even his kids. Madame Yu starts screaming at him more and starts saying that someone set her up. To which Meng Yao looking from the opposite building smiles.
By the next day the whole cultivation world knew of this incident.
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ineffectualdemon · 7 months
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No Wei Wuxian does not have self worth issues or insecurities about his relationship with Lan Wangji or about his intelligence and skill and place in the cultivation world
But he DOES have self worth issues and insecurities but ONLY about his relationships with the Jiang's and in particular with Jiang Cheng and Jiang Yanli post the Lotus Pier Massacre and in particular between that moment and his death when the trauma from the massacre and losing his core/the burial mounds was fresh
In that time Wei Wuxian was not mentally well, he shoved his siblings away and closed them out leading them to feel confused and in Jiang Cheng's case utterly rejected and abandoned for seemingly no reason
He dies feeling it was the right thing for him to do because he lost his family which he had been feeling a bit insecure about even before because of Madam fucking Yu and Jiang Fengmian's fucking awful parenting
And while he is better post resurrection as he has died, he had paid the price he thought owed his brother and sister, he was still feeling shame and guilt when it came to Jin Ling
And he is also so sure that Jiang Cheng hates him, is right to hate him, and will always hate him that he's not open to the truth that Jiang Cheng can't say: that he loved him enough to die for him, that he still loves him, that he missed him and misses him still, that he wants his brother back. That all he's wanted since the day Wei Wuxian went missing was his brother to return to him
Wei Wuxian wouldn't believe it even if Jiang Cheng could find it in himself to voice it
Wei Wuxian is an extremely confident, thick faced, self assured man. With the exception of his family
Jiang Cheng is actually the same. They are mirrors. Jiang Cheng raised the banner for their clan alone as a child during a war where he knew people thought him pathetic and laughable and he built it back into one of the most powerful sects. Without Wei Wuxian
Did Wei Wuxian's return and backing during the war hasten and help? Yes. But Jiang Cheng also built it up partly before he returned and continued to build and improve his sect after the death of everyone he loved and helping to raise his nephew on his own
You don't accomplish that without having confidence in your own abilities and decisions
Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng are strong, confident, men with a strong personal sense of what the right thing to do is. And when facing each other they see a person they love deeply and who is the one person who causes cracks in that confidence
Again, because of Madam Yu and Jiang Fengmian's stellar parenting /sarcastic
Really at the heart of MDZS is not Wangxian that is almost running in the background. The heart of MDZS is a very codependent enmeshed family breaking into pieces even as everyone in it tries to hold it together. Wangxian as a pairing is really about Wei Wuxian realising he can let go now.
Truly let go and build a new life with someone else who can fill the void that his family left in him but in a healthier way maybe
Which is lovely but it's also tragic
Because Jiang Cheng can't in the same way. But he also has to, because he has a nephew and sect and Wei Wuxian let go
And he has to carry the grief of being abandoned again
And maybe if he spoke up it would change things
But Wei Wuxian is happy
His brother is happy
And so he stays silent
I cannot overstate how the Yunmeng trio tragedy is the best fucking part of this story and how upsetting it is that so much of the fandom doesn't fucking understand it
And I haven't even really gotten into Jiang Yanli!
Ugh
Why am I doing this to myself?
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ookamikabu · 7 months
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I'm going to come out and say that the more I re-read MDZS the more I actually HATE WWX.
I know he's a protag so everything is supposed to be about "poor me I've done nothing wrong" but I can't stand those types of people. He would be a person where if he existed in real life I would not be able to be around him.
I've actually become more of a Jiang Cheng apologist (actually, no, because that implies that he's ever done anything wrong).
I read through all the main points and here are a few things that piss me off. Please add on if I missed something:
WWX is obviously favored by JFM and if JC brings up this concern, all WWX says is: "no he doesn't lol you're so silly I'm not his son" TBH WWX wasn't his child but JFM had a son and it wasn't JC
Golden Core transfer. Need I say less (and fuck you Wen Ning for saying JC didn't deserve the core and the power he had wasnt actually his. He cultivated it for YEARS to get it to where it is today. It is NOT WWXs core anymore. Fuck all yall)
WWX defecting from YMJ and going with the Wens when JC had NOTHING. No sect, no support, no family. He's a new sect leader and has no resources or money to do anything or go against anyone. And thanks WWX for defending the people that, you know, massacred his family but whatever. (I understand they were innocent but still, I can tell it would really hurt JC)
Along with the defecting, WWX and LWJ broke into Lotus Pier and BOWED TO MADAM YU AND JFM WITHOUT JCs APPROVAL. DISRESPECTFUL AS HELL I KNOW WHY JC WAS PISSED. WWX had NO RIGHT to be there after everything he had done.
WWX tells JC to leave everything in the past. As usual, he is running away and not accepting any consequences for the many, many, things he's done wrong. If I were JC, I would permanently ban him from Lotus Pier and kill on sight because if he wants to leave things in the past, then that includes WWX.
Lastly, WWX never once defends JC. Whether it be against LWJ, Wen Ning, or other people that say terrible shit to him because they're being petty. Not once does he come to his defense.
To end my rant, WWX is actually a very terrible person (and so is Lan Wangji. Fight me) with no sense and I finally realized it after re reading the book multiple times. Come at me if you want but this is my honest opinion and I get why JC is such an ass because BITCH ME TOO GET OUT OF MY HOUSE.
Hopefully I have some support here but I also know I'm going to get some hate.
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yunmeng-jiang · 9 months
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man the end of episode 15 is just brutal. like.
madam yu: jiang cheng here's my trademark spiritual weapon that i've carried my whole life. i'm not going to tell you i love you but here's a hug. wei wuxian you're a son of a bitch you ruined everything and i hate you. protect jiang cheng even if you die doing it. bye
sect leader jiang: don't cry kids everything's going to be fine :) i'll come back don't worry :) wei wuxian i know you're basically still a kid but you're in charge of keeping them safe because you're gonna be the only one of us left to do it. bye
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starrywangxian · 3 months
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how the mdzs characters would sign off emails
inspired by this post and this post
Wei Wuxian: Thanks - I'll see myself out, Wei Wuxian
Lan Wangji: Sincelery, Lan Wangji, Hanguang-Jun, Cloud Recesses, Gusu Lan Sect... (he would include full titles and addresses etc.)
Lan Xichen: Many thanks! Lan Xichen, Zewu-Jun. (it's passive aggressive to other sect leaders but to lwj he adds emojis - yes he emails his brother shh)
Lan Sizhui: Have a nice day, Lan Sizhui! :)
Lan Jingyi: Never stop the grind, Lan Jingyi - P.S. Plz don't fail me Hanguang-jun :(
Lan Qiren: Regrettably, Lan Qiren.
Qingheng-jun: That's all, Qingheng-jun.
Madam Lan: Talk soon! (i recognise this is ironic... but i feel like she'd write something really casual and nice :))
Lan Yi: Okay then. (i feel like she'd be very straight to the point lmao)
Ouyang Zizhen: Fare thee well, Ouyang Zizhen! :)
Jiang Cheng: Please stop reading the email.
Jiang Fengmian: Stay tuned, Jiang Fengmian.
Yu Ziyuan: May the lord forgive your sins, Yu Ziyuan.
Jiang Yanli: Thanks again, Jiang Yanli! :) ...Don't cross me.
Wei Changze: Sent via smoke signals. Best, Wei Changze. (i feel like he'd also write a joke but treat it like a fact lmao)
Cangse Sanren: Sent from the future ;) Cangse Sanren! (i feel like she'd write a jokey and fun sign off <3)
Jin Guangyao: You're the best boss ever (lol jk), Lianfang-zun.
Jin Ling: don't care + didn't ask + L + ratio. jin ling.
Jin Zixuan: Lukewarm regards, Jin Zixuan.
Jin Guangshan: Ciao! Jin Guangshan. (he tries to be friendly and cool because he thinks everyone likes him but he's just annoying and everyone hates him)
Madam Jin: Thank you. (P.S. Please send any important sect-related emails to me, my husband is useless and doesn't do anything).
Jin Zixun: The best, Jin Zixun.
Qin Su: See you in hell, Qin Su.
Mo Xuanyu: So long and thanks for all the fish! Mo Xuanyu.
Nie Huaisang: Stay hydrated, queens! Nie Huaisang <3
Nie Mingjue: Over and Out, Chifeng-zun.
Wen Ruohan: May the Night bless you, signed Overlord Wen Ruohan.
Wen Ning: Apologies for existing :') Wen Qionglin
Wen Qing: Please don't contact me for 3-5 business days - kindest regards, Wen Qing, Head Physician.
Wen Chao: Mic drop, Wen Chao.
Wen Xu: Thanks, enjoy the hours you have left. Wen Xu.
Wen Zhuliu: Regards, Wen Zhuliu.
Wang Lingjiao: Live, laugh, love! Wang Lingjiao xoxox
Luo Qingyang: At a loss for words, Mianmian.
Xiao Xingchen: Live long and prosper, Xiao Xingchen!
Song Lan: May God be with you in these trying times, Song Zichen.
A-Qing: God's favourite child, A-Qing.
Xue Yang: YOur FrIendly NEIghBOur... XuE ChEngmEI.
Su She: Remember the name: Su Minshan.
Baoshan Sanren: That's it. Baoshan Sanren. (i feel like she'd be straight to the point too)
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