#ragnarok negative

[illwynd]

after that last ask i’m remembering that earlier today i was randomly writing up a little meta ramble thing about how thor’s actual, original variety of heroism is out of fashion in the black-and-white morality currently on the rise that has no room for the value of extending care and mercy to the “undeserving,” and how that resulted in the absolute travesty that they’ve turned thor into, but i don’t think i’ll post it because i don’t have the energy to deal with the sorts of folks who disagree.

#marvel salt #ragnarok negative

[dkmbookworm]

Something that really pisses me off is this assumption that because you dislike the current direction with Loki and Thor’s characters, it must mean that you “hate comedy” and “want everything to be serious and gloomy”. As if the only form of comedy that exists is weird, random antics. What is this attitude that thor and loki were never funny in the previous films? The only difference is that the comedy was formed based on their personalities and conflicts with other people or situations, rather than just them being stupid or quirky.

#loki series negativity #loki series critical #anti thor ragnarok #anti thor love and thunder #anti mcu

[musclesandhammering]

The fact that the mcu makes Loki being super powerful technically canon, but then turns around and almost never shows it and goes out of their way to emphasise what a wimp he is compared to several other characters is… a paradox.

This is a guy who:

• successfully enchants 50% of the giant eldritch horror entity that devours universes and tamed the entire multiverse, on his first try

• can telekinetically lift an entire building on the fly without breaking a sweat

• has the power to create an illusion the size of a large city

• whether for nefarious reasons or not, is literally the one that intentionally brought the avengers together and then almost succeeded in beating all 6 of them by himself

• overpowered, dethroned, and enchanted the literal Allfather and trapped him that way for 4 years

• is the only character we’ve seen onscreen that has the power to travel between worlds without the use of any magical object

• isn’t even a nexus being, yet almost every version of him in every universe is a timeline breaker and he’s created more nexus events than any other being in TVA history

But then the writers turn around and make him get beat up by humans to show how badass Sylvie is by comparison or make him get his ass kicked by Valkyrie to show how badass she is by comparison or make him get punked by Dr Strange in less than 30 seconds to show how badass he is by comparison or make him get outsmarted by Thor to show how badass he is by comparison or-

You get the point.

#loki is a plot device even when it’s his scene even when it’s his show #like he is actually canonically SO powerful #it’s just that they never actually let us see it #so half of us don’t even realise it #people keep saying they want marvel to make him as powerful as Wanda or strange #but like #even just with the stuff we’ve seen of him so far he ALREADY IS #it’s just whether they want to acknowledge it or not :/ #Loki meta #loki series negativity #thor ragnarok criticism #loki

[kratioed]

Honestly- I don't mind Sigyn and the Logyn ship itself. I just found it eye-rolling whenever I see her as a typical white woman while she's paired up with Atreus in this fandom. Understandable, since Sigyn is usually shown as a white woman throughout the media in Norse retellings.

Just feels like they preferred Atreus with a white girl instead of Angrboða, and overall made it difficult for me to like Sigyn as a additional character. Even if they made them as a throuple to add into possible poly ships in GOW, Angrboða would still be written off considering that Giants aren't entirely immortal to begin with.

And due to my experience with this fanbase, I know for sure if Sigyn were included in GOWR, those kinds of fans would have relished the romantic pairing between Atreus and Sigyn just as they did with him and Thrúd (and not to mention it would put Angrboða as the "Disposable Black GF" trope in the narrative).

It sounds like it doesn't matter if it was accurate to canon mythology or even to Sigyn, when it's hard not to feel like it mattered more for them see Atreus have a white love interest be there for him like arm candy. Funnily enough- It feels like they forgotten that Atreus isn't entirely white, but biracial/multiracial who passes off as white from the start. So their bias against Angrboða being Atreus' love interest made no sense whatsoever.

#Kratioed Speaks #God of War #God of War: Ragnarök #God of War: Ragnarok #God of War Ragnarök #God of War Ragnarok #gow #gow Ragnarök #gow Ragnarok #gowr #anti Sigyn #this will be the last time i talk about S1gyn in a negative light- promise! :)

[gloriousburden]

Ok not to talk about that series, but i just gotta say that i can’t help but be… i don’t know, i guess grateful? that marvel decided to let this mischaracterization happen to the variant™️ instead of to our loki. (since we all know that it would happen eventually because they don’t care about his character or anything he’s been through. hence his characterization in ragnarok too.) but i do mourn what our loki could’ve been everyday. and how much he deserved a solo project or even just another thor movie that would’ve dived into LITERALLY ANYTHING about him. there was so much potential, but instead they killed him off because they needed someone to open up the doors to the multiverse or literally whatever tf.

the series could’ve been about literally anyone. that’s just how non loki centered it is despite it literally being called LOKI. i hate that they’re trying to push this variant as the “new loki”, and that our loki is “irrelevant” and “flawed” now when he literally was perfect before he was killed off (and before ragnarok.) if this was what new “loki” content would consist of, they should’ve just let him go since clearly no one at marvel understands anything about him anymore.

(oh and not to mention that they originally wanted to kill loki off in the dark world, which actually explains a lot.)

also this is sort of unrelated to the original rant but i just gotta say that i really and truly wish that lokius/mobius fans would stop acting as if they’re so much more morally superior than sylki/sylvie fans. neither of them actually understand loki or care about him, and they both need to stop claiming that they are loki fans. because in reality, they’re just fans of the variant and who they can ship him with. if they actually understood loki, they would dislike the series as much as the rest of us do. it’s written by people who don’t get anything about loki besides…

“haha he’s thor’s younger brother who’s jealous and so evil… he commits evil acts JUST for the fun of it and without any true reasoning. oh and he’s such a narcissist guys… it’s not like he’s been trying to prove himself (mind you this is something an actual narcissist wouldn’t feel they have to do btw. but since the writers couldn’t see through the Very Obvious facade that loki puts up in response to the way he’s been ignored, belittled, neglected, etc… they think he’s a narcissist.) to not only odin, but to everyone else around him in the first two movies he was in. and since he’s privileged, it must mean he can’t have any kind of struggles and is overreacting. yass put him in a time loop where he continuously gets physically assaulted 😍 that’ll show him for sure.”

and then sylki/sylvie fans, and lokius/mobius fans will ignore how bad this writing is, just because loki was dumbed down enough to be shipped with their mediocre ass characters. if you can ignore the VERY OBVIOUS mischaracterization of loki’s character, then you are not a loki fan. you’re just a fan of the series and the characters in it. both lokius and sylki shippers are Um… not that great to put it kindly, but lokius shippers specifically have this weird superiority complex over sylki shippers/sylvie fans in general even though they ALSO don’t really know one thing about loki’s character outside of the mischaracterization from the series, and from fanon.

anyway putting this gif here because it’s cute and one of my faves ^_^

#loki #anti loki series #anti lokius #anti mobius #anti sylki #anti sylvie #loki meta #loki series criticism #anti ragnarok #ragnarok critism #loki series negativity #loki deserves better #mcu loki #anti loki show #loki show critical #loki show criticism #loki series critical #loki 💭 #2011 2013 loki supremacy

[violation72089]

i don’t think y’all UNDERSTAND how much i bawled my eyes out at the Yggdrasil reveal in the finale. as a Pagan, i can’t even express the impact it had on me.

i still haven’t untangled all those emotions

#LOKI brought Ragnarok. LOKI paved the way for a new start #it’s so similar to the myths #the negative image parallels Norse & Marvel Lokis share is bonkers #loki #marvel loki #loki season 2 #loki laufeyson #loki season two #yggdrasil

[alwida10]

Loki season 1: divided the fandom in an unprecedented way.

Loki season 2: does what everyone thought impossible and unifies the fandom.

….

… in the shared feeling of disapproval regarding “the other” Loki fans.

#loki series negativity #loki series critical #loki series criticism #this is mostly for documentation of the crumbling fandom #the Loki series did what no Thor movie -not even ragnarok- managed #it doomed loki #Feige et al. never intended for him to keep him around as much as they ended up #all because of his massive fandom #and devoted fans #divide and conquer #they managed to divide the fandom which drives away massive amounts of fans #most of the remaining focus rather on infighting than fan-activities #it’s already obvious season 2 has much less hype than season 1 #this is the beginning of the landslide #the next installment after this will have even less #and then Loki will be remembered as he is shown in “his show” #Sylvie might prevail tho #she has potential

[beheworthy]

I love how in Thor4 it's clearly shown that Thor is with the Guardians for a very long time - enough to get back in shape, go on multiple galaxy-spanning adventures, and even form drinking routines with Quill but James Gunn says he was with them for only 2 weeks. It's quite literally not possible but of course Gunn wouldn't want his beloved characters to spend any time with the bumbling buffoon bully.

I hope the same is done to the rando kid going forward. Say Thor took care of her for 2 weeks and then she left to be on her own. Or better yet, do what Feminist Waititi did to Jane - 'respectfully' discard her with a throwaway line.

#i will need to be taken out #to be stopped from being annoying about how marvel has ruined his character #thor #thor odinson #peter quill #jane foster #guardians of the galaxy #thor love and thunder #james gunn #anti taika waititi #anti thor ragnarok #gorr's daughter #marvel #text #she isn't given a name. she's played by a non-actor. and there don't seem to be any future plans w her. #by all means she is meant to be a temporary thing #and the audience had a negative response to her

[unityrain24]

Both Thor Ragnarok and the Loki Series did some Bad Things (in terms of continuity, character, & more), but I think the biggest difference between them is that if Thor Ragnarok was it's own singular movie disconnected from the movies preceding it, it would have been a just fine movie in the mcu (which sort of defeats the purpose, but bear with me), whereas the Loki Series, even if it was its own, separate, individual entity, would still be an absolutely awful show. Does anyone else feel this way?

@nikkoliferous @alwida10

#loki #mcu loki #mcu criticism #loki series critisism #loki series slander #loki series negativity #loki series hate #thor ragnarok criticism #thor ragnarok

[illwynd]

do u know any fics that are like aus where it's thor 3 but good. like. canon divergent AUs that fix TR's awfulness?

Sadly, I don't. I've considered trying to write such a thing myself a few times, and so, to my knowledge, have a few of my other writer friends in the fandom (and if they were to give it a shot I'd definitely read it)... but also, I have serious doubts that the movie is actually "fixable." Honestly, the problems go so deep and are so fundamental to the story they gave us, if you changed it enough to fix it, it would no longer be recognizably derived from the movie and you may as well just write something else instead and thus not have to spend precious leisure time thinking about that abominable thing and getting angry/depressed about it all over again. Which might explain why there aren't an abundance of such fics. At least for me, and possibly for others, that's just not conducive to positive creative energy, and it's not worth the emotional effort.

#replies #anon #marvel salt #ragnarok negative #there is also the worry about getting hate from all the whiny tr fans #which might be a contributing factor

[ellena-asg]

#Marvel #MCU #Thor #Odin #Loki #Thor (2011) #The Avengers #Thor: The Dark World #TDW - the last Asgardian movie #Kenneth Branagh #Joss Whedon #Alan Taylor #anti thor ragnarok #anti post ragnarok era #Asgard 2011-2013 forever #Disney negativity #a good open ending is always better than a bad next part

[purplehalnw]

Me seeing Loki getting treated like shit, blamed for everything, portrayed as if he's the one who needs to fix things and not his brother, and perceived as power hungry when he isn't.

"I think I've seen this film before, and I didn't like the ending":

#Anti Bellamy Blake #loki laufeyson #octavia blake #the 100 #anti mcu #mcu criticism #mcu critical #loki series negativity #anti thor ragnarok #anti loki series #anti loki show #mcu loki #loki mcu #marvel criticism #marvel critical #marvel mcu #marvel #marvel cinematic universe #loki odinson #anti taika waititi #anti michael waldron

[aurorawest]

Also mjolnir surviving at all undermines thor getting stormbreaker. Did he even know where mjolnir's pieces were?

See I don't have a problem with Mjolnir surviving, because Thor getting Stormbreaker in the first place was dumb. It was very But Thor Need Cool Weapon??? when the point of Mjolnir being destroyed and not getting replaced in Ragnarok is the idea that this hammer has been a symbol of strife and division and Thor never needed it (and by the same token, neither did Loki). Ragnarok is full of this tearing-down of old symbols. Odin dies. Mjolnir gets destroyed. Thor 'loses' his powers. Thor gets his hair cut. Loki has a pretty serious outfit change. Asgard, obviously, gets destroyed. So the Russos being like, Hey let's give him an even BIGGER weapon! (and also we’ll give him his eye back) was kind of spitting in the face of all that.

Also the Jane being Thor storyline was pulled pretty directly from the Jason Aaron Thor comics run, and she has Mjolnir, so.

#Anonymous #thor love and thunder #infinity war negativity #thor ragnarok #thor ragnarok meta

[lokisaves]

#gagnarok #anti ragnarok #anti loki series #anti loki show #loki show negativity #anti mcu #everything sucks and i hate it here #what the fuck happened honestly #i feel like im living in a goddamn nightmare #i miss loki #anti taika waititi

[delyth88]

Just saw Thor: Love and Thunder.

Ummm...

#i'll post some proper thoughts later #but just know it is impossible to express just how glad i am that loki wasn’t in it! #listened to half an hour worth of fanboys c #talking about how much they disliked it #and the part of me that still hurts over how loki and thor were portrayed in ragnarok grinned at every word #yes. let me enjoy this moment #i certainly didnt the film #negative #oh so very negative! #anti

[bird-wells214]

me struggling thru the vanaheim levels motivated only by the development of kratos and freya's relationship occurring in front of me

#listen vanaheim was beautifully designed and the nithogg fight was fantastic #but i HATED playing in vanaheim #everything aside from the nithogg fight SUCKED ASS GAMEPLAY WISE #vanaheim /neg #gow #god of war ragnarok