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zukosdualdao · 1 month

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i will never stop defending zuko’s decision to break up with mai via letter i don’t care oh my god. i get that under NORMAL circumstances this would be callous and rude, and sure, i can understand why she’s upset, but people either forget or purposefully ignore that it isn’t JUST a break-up letter. it’s a letter that declares his intent to defect from a fascist society run by his abusive father. having that conversation in person is theoretically VERY dangerous. putting aside the fact that zuko has no reason at this point, based on her words or actions, to think that she wouldn’t try to stop him (whether by trying to convince him or through force), what if someone else overheard before he confronted his father? (who he very explicitly waits to confront until the eclipse in order to protect himself.) like idk man. i get that it’s not ideal but the whole situation is Not Ideal.

#quite frankly? i think it would have been smarter + maybe just as justified to not even leave the letter #but he didn’t and wouldn’t do that because he cares!#fandom critical #antimaiko #atla #zuko #the day of black sun

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blluespirit · 3 months

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i wish that there was more time between the day of black sun and sozin's comet bc zuko's official desertion from the fire nation would have the most insane ripple effects (and it would be nice to see the gaang interacting a bit more than we got but hey i'll take what i can get)

zuko's desertion would have been essentially impossible for the fire nation to bury since it was such a big deal that he returned at all. so i imagine the smear campaign against zuko would have been craaazy. i think it would have been interesting for the gaang to try and deal with that when navigating the FN. zuko would be very recognisable i think at this point, and it would have made staying hidden much harder. would they still have chosen ember island? maybe the kids didn't recognise zuko and azula during The Beach , but with the prince of the fire nation committing treason would there be more wanted posters? would there be more talk around the island? would zuko have to remain hidden while the rest go out and get food?

i wonder if zuko deserting and very meaningly committing his loyalty to the avatar influenced other soldiers in the FN to also desert? or would it have had the opposite effect and made people feel more patriotic since zuko was banished, returned under the guise of having killed the avatar, and then left when aang announced his survival to world during the failed invasion?

SPEAKING OF THAT!! the rumours around this would be INSANE. we know what really happened, but the public don't. did zuko and the avatar plan this so that there would be an inside man during the invasion and then zuko used that chaos to escape? what really happened in ba sing se if zuko didn't kill aang, but azula thought that he did? (again: we, the audience know the truth, but the general public don't). if zuko and the avatar where working together... for how long? was iroh involved somehow since he also disappeared the same time that zuko did? did iroh get captured on purpose to be close to zuko to possibly help him if needed? did zuko break iroh out of jail or did one of the guards or was iroh alone? you could spiral on this as just an average person in the avatar world for years like. if youtube existed in atla imagine the video essays breaking down all the conspiracies

its a kids show so obviously Nothing Bad Happened BUT in the Boiling Rock, zuko getting found out as not only an imposter (already, a very bad situation), a traitor (extremely bad), AND the traitorous (ex) prince of the fire nation (devastatingly terrible) would have been... incredibly dangerous for zuko. in zuko and iroh's original wanted poster, the official translation says “Permission is granted to kill them on sight” and this was before zuko has gone right ahead and committed Treason On Purpose. the warden is not going to be nice. when the warden visits zuko in his cell he literally tells him "If these criminals found out who you are, the traitor prince who let his nation down, why they'd tear you to shreds." the boiling rock would be hell trying to survive. it also puts a lot more weight on zuko refusing to leave sokka in their first escape attempt. also ozai obviously knew that he has his son was in prison bc he... broke in to the prison bc azula was there but then zuko manages to escape with sokka (another imposter) and suki and hakoda (POWs) and chit sang (a prisoner) and two of azula's trusted friends end up in prison for treason as well i just. that is literally insane for the average person to hear about. again, THE CONSPIRACIES!!

when zuko eventually does take the throne there's a lot of conjecture around what zuko did while he was banished and moreso, what he did the second time he left, this time voluntarily. i think zuko's loyalty would be questioned a lot; by other world leaders who are understandably wary about the fire nation and its motivations, but also by its own people - some who believe that zuko is a traitor to his country and is trying to sabotage it since he helped end the war.

idk these are all just me rambling but it would been so interesting to explore the implications of zuko leaving the fire nation and how that would have impacted the gaang and how they interacted with others in their travels. there are so many fic where zuko joins the gaang early, but neither myself with the aus that I have written, nor many that ive read have explored this very much or at all.

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apparently-i-am-an-adult · 18 days

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Tumblr, why are we slacking????

I have seen

ZERO

POSTS

About how it it is time

TO INVADE THE FIRE NATION???

#avatar: the last airbender #atla #the day of black sun #solar eclipse

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polymathart · 18 days

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I can’t believe these all happened on the same day!

#the owl house #toh #owl house #tangled the series #tts #rta #rapunzel’s tangled adventure #atla #avatar: the last airbender #plus est en vous #king’s tide #the day of black sun #eclipse 2024

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starlight-bread-blog · 21 days

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In The Boy in the Iceberg, Zuko rejects the true firebending for the Fire Nation's distorted version of it. Their version of firebending is pure destruction, because the Fire Nation values aggression.

In Zuko Alone, Zuko is faced with the reality that something was wrong with his upringing. He was given a knife as a child, and that's wrong. A child shouldn't be involved in violence and agression.

In The Day of Black Sun Pt 2, Zuko recognizes the Fire Nation's indoctrination and that this ideology is wrong. No violence involving children is justified. And the Fire Nation's agression wasn't justified as well.

In The Firebending Masters, Zuko is blessed with a vision about the meaning of firebending, thus unlearning the Fire Nation's destructive firebending, and replaces it with firebending based on life.

In The Southern Raiders, Zuko sees first hand that those who can be deserving of vioelnce aren't boogeymen. Thus, he can see that at times, even violence towards people who deserve it, isn't a solution to heartache.

In Sozin's Comet, Zuko is confronted by the truth that the ultimate boogeyman, Azula, is human too. Now, he can fully release black and white notions and view the world from objective lenses, not from aggression.

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sokkastyles · 1 month

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i’ve seen people argue that it was selfish/unethical of zuko not to kill ozai when they were alone during the eclipse since he had the chance and placing that burden on aang’s shoulders (even though it had been on aang’s shoulders since the start of the narrative.)

aside from the fact that, from a doylist perspective, aang is the main protagonist and the audience would have been disappointed not to see HIM driving the final confrontation with ozai, i also think it would diminish zuko’s arc as he lets go of the control ozai once had over him, as not allowing himself to be goaded into violence and only defending himself when attacked is defiance in and of itself.

i can’t help thinking, though, what would have happened if he had, and i only see two/maybe three logical outcomes—none of which would have actually helped the team, anyway. either zuko IS goaded into a fight (not in line with his arc at this point, but for the sake of argument) and ozai kills him (because i do still think ozai would be manipulative enough to stall/prolong combat until the end of the eclipse), or zuko redirects lightning at ozai, which maybe kills him. (though iroh survives getting struck by lightning with, like, no healing in book two, so… who knows? not me!) whether it does or doesn’t, zuko would likely be arrested as a traitor (at best, though it seems unlikely execution wouldn’t be on the table), and if ozai did die, i can only imagine that would mean azula, who still actively upholds imperialist ideals and actions, ascending to the throne and carrying on with her father’s plans. i guess there is some small chance zuko could escape after an assassination (attempt), but i find “zuko is either killed or imprisoned, aang never gets a firebending teacher, and the team has a much harder time winning the war and/or they don’t” a far more likely chain of events.

i don’t really know what the point of this is, other than that i can’t stop thinking about it, and i’d love to hear your thoughts if my rambling happens to inspire any <3

Not only has it been Aang's burden to begin with, but another reason why Zuko should not be the one to kill Ozai is for the same reason Iroh shouldn't. It would look like an attempt to steal power from within the royal family. The burden has to be on Aang's shoulders because as the Avatar, he acts as an ambassador of all nations. That's the whole purpose of having all four elements in one body. If Zuko kills Ozai, he actually runs the risk of threatening the peace Aang is trying to create. What would it look like if word got out that the firelord's son did what the Avatar failed to do, after 100 years of people already losing hope in the Avatar? Part of the whole deal is returning that hope to the world, that faith in the harmony that the Avatar symbolically represents. Otherwise, why should the other nations care that one fire nation royal deposes another?

As you say, a number of things could go wrong. One is that Ozai goads Zuko into a fight and kills him, which was Ozai's plan in the first place. Like, does anyone think that Ozai was trying to get Zuko to do this for Zuko's benefit? Ozai is absolutely trying to manipulate Zuko in that scene and goading him into a fight, goading him into being angry and emotional and vengeful in the hopes that he makes a mistake, is one way to do that.

Any of the other possibilities, such as Zuko being arrested or branded a traitor or Azula taking the throne, would only increase the discord in the Fire Nation. Like I said, the Avatar is not just important as the Hero(tm), he is a political symbol. Even those who reject the spiritual significance of the Avatar would have a hard time disputing it if Aang has the backing of an army and several world leaders, whereas it would be too easy to paint Zuko as someone who acted alone, a son trying to steal power from a father. And those who supported Azula would recall how Zuko had been banished, how he had always been second fiddle to Azula, and look, it turns out he's also lied about killing the Avatar in an attempt to steal his sister's glory! Those who support Aang but distrust the fire nation would be suspicious of Zuko killing Ozai seconds before the coup, who again, looks like he is acting alone. Zuko could end up being killed or imprisoned by either side, and since Aang and co. don't know he plans to join them, they wouldn't know any different, either. Imagine the gaang showing up to Zuko, who has been their enemy for the past three seasons, being like "hey guys, I killed the firelord for you!" Do you think they are likely to trust him?

Also, man, these people will do anything to preserve Aang's moral purity but think it should be fine for Zuko to murder his own father? Where is Zuko's lion turtle in this scenario, I wonder?

#zuko #ozai #the day of black sun

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cr-yellow · 2 months

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Chapters: 4/? Fandom: Avatar: The Last Airbender Rating: Mature Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings Relationships: Sokka/Zuko (Avatar), The Gaang & Zuko (Avatar), Iroh & Zuko (Avatar) Additional Tags: Time Loop, Angst, Temporary Character Death, Zuko is an Awkward Turtleduck, Spirit Shenanigans, Falling In Love, Groundhog Day, Bisexual Sokka (Avatar), Hurt Zuko (Avatar), Implied/Referenced Child Abuse, Implied/Referenced Suicide, Spirit Mumbo Jumbo

Chapter Summary: “He’s come to ruin the invasion!” Sokka said, frowning. They didn’t need Zuko for that, but he was smart enough not to say it aloud. What he said instead was, “I’ve come to warn you.” “The– you– the earthbender. The girl.” Zuko said, stilted. The Earth Kingdom girl only scowled below her round hat and pointed a finger at him, extending her whole arm. “You talkin’ to me, Ponytail?” Zuko huffed but tried to move on from the impulse to correct her. “Yes.” “Name’s Toph, not that you’ll live long enough to remember it,” she clipped back. Though her voice was filled with threat and promise, Zuko couldn’t help how young she looked standing next to the others. How small. He fully trusted that she’d kill him with her bare hands, though.

#zukka#zuko#sokka#zuko/sokka#atla#avatar the last airbender#the gaang and zuko#the day of black sun#my works#fanfic

#zukka #zuko #sokka #zuko/sokka #atla #avatar the last airbender #the day of black sun #my works #fanfics #the gaang and zuko

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im--never--happy · 18 days

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Seems like a great day to invade the Fire Nation

#Eclipse #solar eclipse #solar eclipse 2024 #im getting 92.4% of it #Couldn’t travel for the total eclipse but I’m still excited as fuck #Atla #lol #fire nation #The day of black sun #lmao

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kingdarkblue · 18 days

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El día del sol negro, eclipse solar 24 ✨☀️🌙

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sokkas-therapist · 18 days

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Why did I have to go to class today?? guysss we’re supposed to be invading the fire nation, come on!!

#get it #because of the eclipse #hahaha #(I’m not funny)#avatar the last airbender #atla #the day of black sun

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ifwebefriends · 19 days

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Happy Solar Eclipse Eve everybody

ID in ALT

#solar eclipse #eclipse #eclipse 2024 #atla #avatar the last airbender #the day of black sun #avatar #the last airbender #day of black sun #fire nation #the fire nation #invading the fire nation

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somedamnhippie · 18 days

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My friend called and woke me up with "It's time to invade the Fire Nation. Why aren't you up?

#solar eclipse #the day of black sun #atla

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akiizayoi4869 · 1 year

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The Invasion Plan

If there's one thing that will never not bother me about this plan, it's that the Gaang didn't factor in things that they absolutely should have, just because they thought that 8 minutes would have been enough time to take down Ozai. It's so weird that they didn't factor in Zuko and Azula, two people who wrecked them in Ba Sing Se. Like, they witnessed Azula do this to Aang:

She came close to killing him here. Someone who the world sees as a literal God who can't be defeated. If it weren't for Katara, Azula would have succeeded. So you would think that they would have definitely been on edge about Azula after this, and that they would plan accordingly. Instead of just leaving it up to chance and deciding that 8 minutes would be good enough. They don't factor in Zuko, someone who helped Azula take down Katara and Aang the last time they met. And it's not as if they knew he was planning on defecting. They don't take into consideration Mai, and Ty Lee, two non benders who have proven to the Gaang that they are deadly in their own right. Since the two of them can't bend, the eclipse wouldn't effect them. And yet, nothing. It's like none of them existed at all, and the only one who mattered was Ozai. Pretty crappy planning there, since, like we saw in the show during these two episodes, a lot can happen in 8 minutes. And they just did not think about that at all.

#atla #The Invasion plan #the day of black sun #atla meta

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waterfire1848 · 1 year

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Has anyone written any “what if the gaang was successful on the DoBs” fics? Not Zuko killing Ozai, but the invasion actually succeeding?

#atla #fic #dobs #the day of black sun #the gaang #avatar the last airbender #aang #sokka #toph #katara #hakoda #ozai #zuko #azula

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theowritesfiction · 1 year

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Invasion of The Day of Black Sun Was Terribly Planned and Here's Why

Okay, I'm going to come at this from an angle that you might find surprising, but hear me out.

The Invasion was terribly planned not because the invasion force was defeated. It was terribly planned because it had NO plan for what would happen in case they had won.

Let’s look at some of the scenarios that could have played out during the invasion:

Dealing with Fire Lord Ozai. In the show, this question is raised by Zuko at the end of The Southern Raiders. What are you going to do when you face my father? But I struggle to believe that nobody would have considered this before the invasion.

What does defeating the Fire Lord mean anyway? In this context, we have to assume that Ozai would be deposed either by being imprisoned or killed. But killing Ozai runs into the same problem for Aang as it becomes during Sozin’s Comet. I mean, you would assume that, right? And if the invasion plan had gone off without a hitch, they would have ran into Ozai when he can’t bend and is powerless. Do you expect me to believe that Aang would be okay with executing a defenseless man? I don’t buy it.

Let’s run with the other scenario, deposing Fire Lord Ozai and imprisoning him somewhere. What’s the problem with this scenario? Well, to me it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the concept of divine right to rule. The people of the Fire Nation would not accept any other ruler than someone from the royal family. For people to accept fundamental changes such as rise of a new royal house or an altogether different form of government, there has to be certain social transformation that precipitates it, such as lengthy discontent with the ruling class. And we have no evidence of that being the case in the Fire Nation, because at that point the war has been going great for the Fire Nation. During the Ember Island Players episode, we saw that Ozai and his regime enjoys a lot of support from general population. (And that is after the capital was invaded by a foreign force!)

There are only two candidates who would be accepted by the people of the Fire Nation – Zuko or Azula. They are the only ones with any legitimacy, but the problem is… at this point in time, neither of them would be acceptable for the rest of the world, so this isn’t a solution either.

I suppose another option would be a permanent occupation of the Fire Nation, but I don’t think this is feasible because the occupying force was too small. Perhaps the Earth Kingdom with time could muster enough forces to permanently occupy the Fire Nation, but because King Kuei decided to bugger off at the end of Book 2 instead of rallying the troops and organizing resistance, I don’t see how this could be organized fast enough.

Still, even if they could manage to occupy the Fire Nation, how do you make sure that the Fire Nation does not strike back on the day of Sozin's comet? I guess you’ll just have to imprison or kill every firebender. But do you still bring balance at that point?

The invasion plan is clearly not a good one. It needed the support of some kind of anti-war faction within the Fire Nation, someone with at least some legitimacy that could take control after the invasion and hopefully not be overthrown immediately. Historically, invasions like these require some kind of local collaboration to work. If complete occupation/subjugation isn't a feasible goal, then I don't think deposing the Fire Lord makes much sense, because you have no idea if the new boss won't be the same as the old boss or even worse. Also, you've just pissed off the Fire Nation right before they get their power boost from the comet.

Sure, the eclipse is still a very unique strategic opportunity that begged to be used. So, what would have been a better way to use the eclipse? Well… I can’t believe I’m going to say this, but I’m actually going to point at Bumi and Omashu. He had the right idea! The eclipse would have probably been better used to free large swathes of land currently occupied by the Fire Nation. This would have been a great opportunity to reclaim Ba Sing Se. Like… why not do that?

Anyway, that’s my take on it. The Day of Black Sun is still among my favorite episodes of the show, but I think if looked at more critically, there’s a lot to be said about this invasion plan. And like… you don’t have to look at it this way. You can just have fun with it. But eh, for me, picking it apart like this is part of the fun. 😉

#atla #atla meta #the day of black sun #dobs critical

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sokkastyles · 1 year

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A parallel I never noticed before.

Just as Roku did with Sozin, Zuko spares his father. Sozin and Ozai both try to land a killing blow when their opponent is vulnerable. Zuko confronting his father and pushing him back with an an unexpected defense learned from studying other elements mirrors the way Roku uses airbending to defend and then make his escape. There's even a similar moment when the fire clears and Zuko/Roku are gone.

With both you can see Ozai reflecting Sozin's brutality and the way he uses his position as firelord to assert his authority, and Zuko mirroring Roku by choosing the path of nonviolence, but announcing his intentions to cut ties with his father just as Roku did with Sozin.

#zuko #ozai #roku #sozin #the day of black sun #the avatar and the firelord

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