#the she ra fandom did

[gideonsgirldick]

I just realized that The Locked Tomb series would be waaaay more popular than it is right now if one or both of the leads were male cause people go nuts for hogwarts esc houses, enemy's to lovers romance, and lore as deep as my fingers in your mom.

Someone please talk to me about this I am genuinely out raged.

#the locked tomb #gideon the ninth #harrow the ninth #nona the ninth #like its litrually a recipe for success #houses with specific personality traits that are easy to attach and easily marketable #enemys to lovers #the lore oh GOD THE LORE #girlies should be going nuts for it but for some reason everyone hates women and thats the true tragedy here #and lesbians. they also hate lesbians #maybe its for the best. they could barely handle Catra so i dont think theyd handle Harrow very well #both a blessing and a curse. not popular enough to be able to buy merch at a convention but at least we arent getting garbage hot takes like #the she ra fandom did

[misssakurapetal28]

C@tra Stans: OMG why people are criticizing C@tra so much!? She’s a literal teenager! Poor baby! 🥺

Also C@tra Stans: OMG C@tra and C//A is SO sexy and spicy! I love it! 😍😍😍

#BTW criticism doesn’t equal HATE #It means people criticize C@tra that doesn’t mean they dislike her #And even if they did it still doesn’t equal hate #it’s not the same thing #at least not ALL the time #I like S1-S4 Catra as a character #I just don’t like how her redemption was handled #So mainly in S5 #So yes I want better for C@tra #but not out of expensive of everyone else #Also it’s funny how shippers and stans will use the they’re a kid excuse #as a means for her to not take any accountability for her actions #but then will call the CA ship sexy and spicy #even IF they’re children #Which one is it!? #spop she ra #spop #she ra spop #spop critical #anti catra #anti catradora #catra critical #she ra and the princesses of power #she ra #she ra 2018 #fandom critical #spop fandom critical #Don’t like scroll pass or block #misssakurapetal28

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

so...

this was a post in the anti catradora and anti catra tag. i'm not gonna address the crosstagging and i'm not gonna mention the op's url, i just wanna address the post specifically.

is catra morally grey? i don't think so. having a tragic backstory does not make you morally grey. in that case, belos from toh would be “morally grey” since he clearly was a victim of religious trauma and had a complicated relationship with his brother. firelord ozai from atla would be “morally grey” because his father most likely treated him the same way he treated zuko and azula. azula would be a “morally grey” character because she was abused.

but that's not what being morally grey is. it's not about being mistreated or having gone through trauma. grey morality is about actions, not motives.

Urban Dictionary's definition of the term is,

“Morally gray is a character who does too much bad to be a good character, yet too much good to be a bad character. A character who is in between good and bad.”

does catra really do too much good to be a villain? i don't think so. she has a few sympathetic moments but apart from that, she's mostly on the side of evil. she revels in hurting people and shows no remorse, she puts herself first in almost every situation, she supports the horde despite knowing what it was doing, she sees every situation as an opportunity to get what she wants, she even makes plans for the horde's attacks. she never shows regret in having participated in the war and only does one (1) good deed after she is backed into a corner and has no escape from horde prime.

y'all need to stop throwing around buzzwords without knowing what they mean. catra could better be described as a complex or sympathetic villain. but she was a villain nevertheless.

entrapta was morally grey, double trouble was morally grey, even scorpia could be considered morally grey. "fucked up and gay" certainly suits catra better, and she does not stop being fucked up at any point lol.

#also the fact that a lot of the comments and reblogs were like #“omg yall did her so dirty” “catra was hated so much for no reason” #when 99% of the fandom coddle catra and refuse to admit that she's a bad person #its funny honestly #c//a stans really want to act as if their character is this niche and overhated person that only a few people understand #spop #spop critical #spop catra #spop criticism #spop discourse #spop salt #anti catradora #anti catra #catra #she ra

[teartra]

What I gathered from this photo is that there are more isles in Demon World. We can see other titan’s carcasses that means there might be other civilizations in Demon World that might not even be affected by Belos’ reign. There are still a lot to explore in The Owl House universe and maybe one day we’ll get to see it again

#look she ra got a reboot #so did ducktales #even if it takes years to complete i will always be there for this fandom #the owl house #toh #demon world #the boiling isles

[sometipsygnostalgic]

glimmadora remnants stop complaining about the show challenge: impossible

#she ra #spop #seriously. like. i love the ship but i freeze every time i see someone in the tags with a glimmer icon now #shes the BEST CHARACTER how did you DO this to me??? #i love multishipping too #just cos the ship you like isnt canon dont mean the show is bad jesus christ #is this how steven universe fans feel about amedot fans #especially that controversy involving someone who may or may not have been a show writer #or someone staged to look like a show writer #su fandom was hell. either result would seem realistic to me

[secretmellowblog]

Random, but. It’s fascinating how “Valjean and Javert written by someone who thinks cops are Good” is so radically different from “Valjean and Javert written by someone who thinks cops are Bad.”

Like, for me the number one Thing that will determine whether I enjoy someone’s take on Valjean and Javert are whether they realize that the police/prison as an institution destroyed both of their lives, and is the villain of both of their stories XD.

But yeah it’s really fascinating! Both in adaptations and in fanfiction, the tone/interpretation with which the plot beats are handled can change so much about the characterization. All the adaptations/fic start off with the same basic plot beats but so much can be changed and colored (for better or worse) by the way the author chooses to interpret them

#i do want to say that I always think more people in the fandom is fun! #and fanfic is supposed to be whatever self indulgent stuff scratches your id and can’t be held to the same standards as published stuff #I will never tell people what to write! #also I’ve got cringe fanfic on ao3 too (let he who is without cringe cast the first stone etc etc) #so I’d be the WORST person to preach about that XD #(the next part in the tags is a joke don’t come at me) #but— as a lighthearted joke— sometimes to me personally the Les mis fandom feels like #imagine if you’re in the fandom for the new she ra show #and the show’s about the Evil Horde and how it destroys the lives of the two main characters in different ways #but then like? half the fandom insisted on referring to it as the Morally Okay Reformable Horde #and then like. all the catra/adora fanfic ended with Catra realizing she needs to be a Nicer horde soldier #and maybe adora rejoins the horde to and they go off to fight for Justice (which is what the horde does) #and then you were like ‘huh that’s a bit odd’ #‘I thought the point was that the horde poisoned both of their lives and ripped them away from their friends/family’ #‘like I thought the evil horde was evil and stuff’ #and people responded to you ‘why do you hate catra and catradora?’ #and you were like ‘no I love catra! but I thought the whole point was that yknow. she kinda had to leave the evil horde and all’ #‘like her upbringing in the horde had left her with a violent self-destructive authoritarian worldview and all’ #‘and her obsession with being a good horde soldier was not indeed a good admirable thing but sorta pathetic and sad’ #‘and adora was right to leave and hate the horde for what it did to her’ #‘and her flaw was that (like catra) she still internalized a lot of the way it taught her to view herself’ #‘and the whole fun of catradora is the idea of the two of them sorta finally figuring out who they are outside of that abusive system’ #anyway in this metaphor catra is javert adora is Valjean the horde is the police catradora Is valvert XD #this is a goofy metaphor made after hours of homework and is not to be taken too seriously

[mbat]

dude idk why even after the last few years having queer rep i still cry about it. maybe its cause i like to learn about queer history and i just. dude weve come so far. people are getting to be free, and theyre seeing that its an option. theres people like me and my friends on screen and we are the good guys and now we even get to show our flags in cartoons.

i hope the queers of the past are looking down on us with the same joy as i feel, i hope they know that everything they did was worth it, that their effort and their pain wasnt for nothing. they paved the path for us to get right where we are, just as we now continue to pave that path for the ones down the line.

im sorry that im being like, so dramatic and emotional about this, i just think its so important we dont forget those who came before us. and i think its so important that we get to be just as human as everyone else has gotten to be on tv for decades. its not perfect, i dont expect it to be.

im not a queer elder, to many im still a baby gay probably, but im still old enough that i saw a tv where we were still the joke, only a decade or so ago. god forbid we were in childrens media right? now look at us. this is just amazing, and im just so happy.

thank you to everyone whos done this for us. to the tv runners who had to fight even just for two women to hold hands in a way that was implied to be romantic. to the gay weddings and calling them girlfriends and boyfriends and husbands and wives. to using pronouns and words on screen that are still considered a joke to many who cant conceptualize a world bigger than their own.

i cant wait to see the future.

#my post #queer #bisexual #nonbinary #transgender #lesbian #gay #representation #would i be annoying if i tagged some fandoms... aaaa i really dont wanna be that guy #but i really did have some fandoms in particular in mind #im sorry yall djfhsjf #steven universe #legend of korra #legend of korra in particular. thats arguably the show that started all this! the opening for gay kids show characters! #not that there wasnt queer characters before but that one blew the door wide open as far as i know #she ra #monster high #owl house #she ra and the princesses of power #dead end paranormal park #theres also definitely live action shows that i could mention and i do love them... aaa i was mostly thinking of kids media #but adult media should be shouted out too for sure #because that was where we ended up being jokes the most #but i dont watch adult or live action as much.... oh fuck it #sense8 #harley quinn #kipo and the age of the wonderbeasts #kipo #umbrella academy #i know theres more but im blanking and ive probably annoyed enough people im so sorry digjfjr

[nny11writes]

Nunny! I'm sending you asks for your game.

I'm tempted to send you the entire post and just see the Nunny Rant. You might not even do She-ra. I'm thinking of She-ra sending these but go off about star wars or something else if you think it applies better to the question :D

the character everyone gets wrong (ahahhahahaaaaaaaaa)

8. common fandom opinion that everyone is wrong about (im sure there is a long list)

9 and 10 - Worst part of fanon and worst part of canon (imo there is some overlap)

13. worst blorboficiation

14. that one thing you see in fics all the time

25. common fandom complaint that you're sick of hearing

lakhglkajfas, I think my rant would mostly just be keyboard smashes and crying emojis so this is the better way to go lol!

the character everyone gets wrong God, like, fucking- ALL of them. :) Buuuuuut the one that's bugging me the most recently is Mermista.

I am SO sick of post canon Mermista in c/a fics specifically. Mermista would not hold a grudge that hard that long and that violently!!! Stop having her hate Catra and actively be out to do harm to her. Mermista's response to losing her kingdom was like a bad breakup where she just cried in a tub eating ice cream. Her response to seeing HORDAK at the end of the series was just a, "So are we good with him now?" implying that she's chill to be chill.

Mermista and Catra 100% would sit at a table calling one another a bitch (begrudgingly fond and pretend to not be) back and forth. Mermista would not be out to skin Catra alive! Mermista wants to talk to Catra about her murder novels because Perfuma reads too slowly and doesn't like spoilers but she NEEDS to talk to someone about the butler who has a brain cell because Sea Hawk seemed to miss the whole first half of the book AND FURTHER MORE-

9. and 10. - Worst part of fanon and worst part of canon

Worst part of fanon is the fucking shippers. This went from one of the more open and accepting fandoms for all ships that I'd ever been in to one of the worst.

Like, straight up, one of the fics that lives rent free in my head is an explicit fic where Catra and Hordak enthusiastically consent to having sex. Like Hordak is trying to be kinda standoffish but can't stop looking at boob window tits, he was Entrapta trained I'm afraid. The number of times I think of his awkward proposing they do it more frequently followed shortly by Catra dressing and winking saying, "Seriously, great cock!" is a lot lol. It's such a porn movie style fic and there is something fantastic to be said about it.

But you even hint that Catra could be headcanonned as anything besides a lesbian and your body will be found in a few months time in several different bags. Suggesting Catra and Hordak having any romantic or sexual relationship probably gets you reported to the fucking government or something. So there's a reason it's never made a rec list from me but fuck it I'm mentioning it now.

They aren't real. If I want to occasionally have a giggle about them and make my little dolls bump uglies everyone else should politely not look while my fellow weirdly sane people who get that this is all make believe but sure we're the freaks here come poke and enjoy!

Fucking shipping wars and discourse man. I'm sick of it.

Worst part of canon for me is the censorship and uncertainty that caused various issues with the plot and prevented the show from being even stronger. You can see it in real time while watching, but man it was wild in December 2018 to see how professional media talked about the show and Catra and Adora being adoptive sisters, to AJ (I think?) getting dumped on for repeating that idea and having to apologize, to the open gayness at the end. I love SPOP, but the rocky terrain the crew-ra had to navigate really did impact the quality and created weird gaps that asshole fans hunkered down into. Like, we cannot pry some of those fuckers out.

8. common fandom opinion that everyone is wrong about

I need you to understand that my immediate response when I started writing this answer out was a very strained and painful sigh through my nose as my brain returned a static white noise sound.

I am really tired of forcing this jock!Adora and slacker!Catra thing. Like, it started in modern AUs but it's gone and infected people's idea of canon as well. It falls into a bit of the "dumb adora" trope, which people just don't seem to actually understand what that means or is about. It also falls into Shadow Weaver's narrative of who Catra is which is wild. Like. Really wild.

You are telling me Catra, a cat person who grew up in a military, is actively against exercise? Yes, she would 100% sleep in a sunbeam for a nap, and then she wakes up and craves some low key chaos and violence.

You are telling me Adora, forced into a golden child and leadership position, is bad at reading and math and science because all she cares about is training? Adora 100% enjoys physical fitness and using her body, but she's got a sharp mind on her and there's no way in hell she doesn't like to work it too.

I am just exhausted with it in modern AUs, and now it has gone to infect canon interpretations. It flattens their characters out, ignores/denies parts of their abuse, and nukes their abilities from orbit. I hate it so so much.

Also if I have to see one more fic or art piece where Catra is willingly and happily wearing dresses, skirts, and heels I swear to fucking god I will KILL. :)

13. worst blorboficiation

Again, this is all of them. Everyone suffers from being blorbo'd to an insane degree, but it just shifts depending on which character is the favorite of that part of the fandom. You have talked several times about the insanity of Catra fans vs. Hordak fans, the blorboification is insane there. Same with Catra fans vs. Glimmer fans.

Like. God damn. I'm so glad the Adora vs. Catra fan fights died out real quick because this fandom is exhausting enough.

With Catra being my favorite it's extra exhausting because there is CONSTANTLY people attacking her and then total asshats trying to defend her who I do not want to be associated with. I love her. She's a fucking idiot and a bastard and a baby. Somehow, every take on her is both the worst and factually correct and then the fandom fights.

Tipsy, I. Am. Tired.

14. that one thing you see in fics all the time

OKAY

Let's fucking talk about how GLIMMER IS NOT AN EVIL BITCH. Can we talk about that? STOP TRYING TO LEAVE THIS POST AND SIT YOUR ASS DOWN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS AGAIN because someone needs to hear it louder in the back.

Glimmer is the character who is probably be done the dirtiest by the fandom but for wildly different reasons throughout the whole show. Hands down.

After S1 fandom took Glimmer and made her into an entitled dumbass whiner who threw money and her titles at her problems. They made her act like a child without any complexity. And it 100% took me from not really liking her character much to detesting her which is outrageous every time I remember that I kinda hated her at that point.

This did not improve post S2. :)

Post S3 probably was the most sympathetic and understanding the fandom was to Glimmer but it came at the cost of trying to bulldoze Catra for the Portal and people making callout posts like these characters were real people. I feel like the rise of some of the G/A shippers that I really can't stand was around this time. It was catra vs. glimmer fans going bat shit and drawing lines for ships.

If they couldn't assassinate Glimmer's character, by god the fandom would assassinate both Catra and Adora's in wildly different ways instead!

Do I need to talk about post S4? The idea of dark Glimmer and Glimmer going off the rails should have been a fun thing to play with in the sandbox and instead just writing it down made me cringe. Now Glimmer has to be an evil bitch because she had a trauma response and made bad decisions, now she is irredeemable because I made up a situation where she did something she didn't in canon for reasons so OOC someone probably slapped Donut Steel on it somewhere.

There was a little lift post series, but man people are holding onto Glimmer being a spoiled brat to play off of for Catra or a cruel bitch for Catra and, again, as a Catra fan, I want to bite bite kill kill bite kill kill kill!!!

Glimmer is allowed to grow up from being a spoiled kid who had good intentions and was naive. She is allowed to be over eager, bratty, petty, silly, funny, caring, and smart too. She's allowed to make bad choices and struggle with how to recover from it.

STOP MAKING ME THE LEAVE BRITTNEY ALONE MEME FOR GLIMMER

25. common fandom complaint that you're sick of hearing

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#choose violence ask game #spop #she ra #long post #my hot takes that are very true and correct and somehow someone will say I'm wrong #love how much I'm like ''wish more people would be active in the fandom'' #and also ''MORE OF YOU NEED TO LEAVE NOW'' I am #stahp pitting bad bitches against one another #also #deadly serious #SHUT UP ABOUT REDEMPTION ARCS #I do not care who did or did not have one according to other fans who want to torture their least fave #*creaky old man voice* back in my day we wrote hate fic as a hobby not a religion! #you know that joke about seeing discourse that's like watching a dark shadow pass below your boat? #sometimes I see the fucking leviathan pop its head out to try and convince me of who deserves love and happiness #in the show about how EVERYONE is deserving of love and making your own happiness as you heal #and I feel like the protagonist from Dredge just pretending I don't see it to get back to shore

[kingoftheu]

I swear to god modern fandom would be so fucking confused by this scene.

#casablanca #rick blaine #humphrey bogart #louis renault #renault #casino #fandom critical #amphibia #owl house #she ra netflix #gravity falls #star vs the forces of evil #marvel cinematic universe #marvel #why is he shocked if he was gambling? #how did he win if he didn't know there was gambling? #the film makes him a hypocrite and that is problematic #im gonna write a twitter essay about this #learn to fucking engage with media

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

you know, it's funny when a fandom calls a female villain a girlboss because she's cool or intimidating. most of the time, the people who are saying this are aware that this character is an objectively bad person. like, i can call azula a girlboss and still acknowledge that she was a terrible person who contributed to zuko's trauma and actively enjoyed hurting people.

what's not funny is when people call a female villain a girlboss and they're being a 100% serious about it. it's not satire or just appreciating a good character, these people actually think that murdering an innocent person or attempting mass genocide is a “girlboss move”.

#that scene of catra taking hordak's life support and taking his place in the horde #it was framed as such a girlboss moment and people see it as such #if another character did that to catra you know the fandom would be calling them sexist and ableist #spop critical #spop salt #spop criticism #spop discourse #spop #she ra #anti spop #anti stans

[msfcatlover]

If your “holy grail” of characterization uses said character as nothing more than a prop to move the plot along, while objectifying them to hell & back, gives them minimal motivation, no agency to speak of, calls back to some of the most messed up shit they’ve done to people in a tee-hee isn’t that cute! light, and the only possibly character revealing choice they make is given less than a page of buildup and just so happens to be exactly what needed to happen to reinstate the status quo and never mention this little side adventure again (making it feel way more like writer convenience, rather than character-motivated choices)…

…If this is seriously the best version of this character you can point to, you can’t honestly expect me to see them as any deeper or more complex than the shallow prop this specific story used them for.

#my life #mine #fandoms all #I’m not tagging this #I’m just venting; I don’t want to get caught up in the discourse #Rant continued with more specificity in the rest of the tags #if you want to actually read my salt #for some reason #// #Anyway #I did not like ‘’Son of the Demon.’’ #(I know I've said this before but I'm thinking about it again) #Talia has the personality of an off brand saltine cracker and not even the kind that set my allergies off as a fun gamble. #‘’Oh but she never assaulted Bruce in that!’’ No but if you go to literally the page before they fuck they’re reminiscing about the wedding #that she drugged & manipulated him into. The one where when he came to Bruce immediately said he did not consent to this leading to both #Talia & Ra’s laughing in his face and telling Bruce that his consent didn’t matter at all. #(In SotD she points out they're still married and Bruce says that wedding didn't ''feel real'' to him. Because he was. Y'know. DRUGGED.) #‘’Read her early appearances’’ I did! Turns out she’s a prop character who exists for sex appeal and occasional villain activities #when one of the /men/ in her life is too busy to handle things themselves. #Her personality traits are 1) Loyal to her father & his cause by extension. 2) In love with Batman. 3) Indecisive as fuck #(Though again that last trait might just be bad writing;changing her own thoughts on her plan/motive literally IN BETWEEN adjacent panels.) #‘’She gave Damian away as a sign of strength & love to save him from this life!’’She gave Damian away with zero shown about her thoughts on #the matter and… oh hey! Quick & easy way to write that baby out without bothering future plot! BACK TO THE STATUS QUO! #(Talia didn’t decide to give her baby up for adoption. Editorial did so that they could sweep this plot under a nice consequence free rug.) #I didn’t /hate/ SotD. #It did not fill me with incandescent rage the way some arcs I’ve read have. But I have /NO/IDEA/ why so many seem to love it so much. #And /especially/ no idea why people seem to love Talia in it.

[electro-scorpion-moving]

shout out to blond animated characters popularly hced as butch and/or as genderqueer sapphics for having some of the most impact on my perception of my gender

#adora 🤝 sasha waybright 🤝 yang #the first two especially #nothing will compare with to the impact and sheer light bulb moment i had upon finding transmasc lesbians & transfem gays are a thing #thx to a fic & hc in the she ra fandom #and sasha well #didn’t realize it at the time but having a character that didn’t just have one popular hc #but several popular arts & fics w that hc #being messy & trans #both in the sense of their gender and/or relationship with it can’t be fit nearly into a box #and the character themself is just a messy individual #did a number on me in the most positive way #and yang #well wouldn’t you like to know weatherboy? #.r rambles

[pokimoko]

Thank you @thealterscrolls for tagging me to list my Top 10 favourite characters from different fandoms! (My first tag game...*wipes tear* I’ve done it. I’ve got a good grade in mutual.) So in no particular order, here they are:

Steven Grant (MCU)

Hunter (The Owl House)

Jon Sims (The Magnus Archives)

The Eleventh Doctor (Doctor Who)

Ella Lopez (Lucifer)

Peridot (Steven Universe)

Simon Petrikov (Adventure Time)

Percy de Rolo (The Legend of Vox Machina)

Castiel (Supernatural)

Logan (Sanders Sides)

I’ll tag @theophagism, @screechthemighty, @fdelopera, @kennydied911, @usaigi, and @ayratheaverage to join in (only if you want to). If anyone else who follows me wants to join in; just say I sent you. ;)

#tag game #*blushing as i tag people* is this allowed? are we mutual enough for this? #(some of you i'm not even mutuals with but like...we know each other. you're a friend from discord/my notes) #i would've tagged my polycule pizzee and kier but tip already tagged them for this so you're here in spirit #but yeah time to publicly announced my particular brand of Blorbo #'Oh yeah I got tagged can't wait to list all my fav guys!' *suddenly forgets every character i've ever liked* #but anyway here's my top 10 (at the moment) #honourable mentions to: donatello (trotmnt). huey (ducktales). data (star trek). steve (stranger things). #zuko (atla) finn/obi-wan/c3po (star wars). crowley (gomens). chloe price (LIS). catra/double trouble (she-ra). eugene (t:ts). toothless #also honourable mention to bucky barnes. loki. thor. leopold fitz. Lucifer. clara oswald and marceline the vampire queen #because I love them all too but I was trying to stick to one character per fandom #(and I'm realising a lot of my favourite characters are from marvel...hehe oh no) #and yeah i don't *love* spn now but i can't deny cas was my guy for a long while #(*sigh* in that vein i should also mention lance from voltron because before that went to shit i really liked him too) #god i've been through a lot of fandoms through the years #leaving behind a trail of traumatised and neurodivergent favs #(also i should be frank i did get tagged once for a tag game back in like 2018 by ayra and i just...never got round to it...oops) #(so trying to make it up to you now ayra by tagging you in this) #i fucking forgot samwise gamgee and bilbo baggins! also some honourable mentions!