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#there is a good reason why lesbian has become to mean someone with no attraction to men
hydrostorm · 2 years
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(cw) i lied about no discourse..
theres just so much fallacy from what I've seen about "m/spec" l/esbian d/iscourse, first that nonbinary people "should be included" in lesbianism as if nb people haven't always been a part of lesbianism both historically as the term found its place in lgbt and up to now where nonbinary lesbians have basically always been a thing, and whenever it goes into the territory of whether men should be included in lesbianism i always just respond with a resounding Lesbianism Should Not Be About Or Involve Men In Any Way
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#it feels like people are just being ahistorical in two very different ways when they argue those things#like ignoring the nonbinary-ness that was already present in lesbianism and also trying to say stuff like#''but trans men were lesbians'' ''many lesbians were bi'' ''sappho loved men''#it becomes clear they dont know what those things mean lol. in the 60s lesbian was not used as it is now#like people were literally just figuring out what any of those terms meant and their meanings continued to evolve#and the whole ''sappho loved men'' argumnent is like .#literally just identify as sapphic then LIKE??#there is a good reason why lesbian has become to mean someone with no attraction to men#this kind of discourse matters because men already constantly invade womens spaces (Not talking about trans women.)#(i partially am referring to stuff like trans men hitting on lesbians and other men who hit on lesbians bc they heard about bi lesbians)#(both of which are things i have seen with my eyes both online and irl dating apps)#and it also really shows when the people who talk about this the loudest are people who arent lesbian or people who are chronically online#cw discourse#i feel like i tried for a while to see where these people were coming from but there's not really much that makes sense about what they#tend to argue#i can understand that lesbians can be transphobic and terfs or otherwise exclude nonbinary people#but instead of arguing how disrespectful it is to ignore the role nb people had in pioneering lesbian culture#they decide to try and annex nonbinary onto lesbianism by saying stuff like ''mspec lesbian''#like it just doesnt track to me. i am not a part of that echo-chamber i think they are too far into an online discourse pov? /gen#for the longest time i was like ''maybe theres something im not getting''#but every time im exposed to their points im like. respectfully i think youre not getting it
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katyspersonal · 11 months
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Fandomry tips on hcs.
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I've met another user that was afraid to share their cool Maria story ideas out of fear that they'll get shunned as "hating masculine lesbians", so, just a few things:
1) No matter how popular a headcanon is, it doesn't become canon. Fandoms do not abide by majority rule in which you could never have an unpopular idea.
2) With LGBT+ headcanons, the less you justify them - the better. The rude minority might think that Maria "has" to be a lesbian because her hunter outfit resembles male Knight garb and she cares about a female friend, and everyone who disagrees "lack media literacy" and "has bias". What is it trying to say? That bi or straight women could not look masculine? That the only reason a woman would ever dress masculine is to be the 'man' for her femme? Or that women could not care about other women deeply unless they're attracted to them? Even "historical accuracy" excuse is obsolete, because Bloodborne clearly doesn't abide by real world's history Victorian antics. Female vicars/doctors/hunters and people of color being equal to white people is a dead give-away to that.
It is even more confusing with Malenia, who doesn't even look masculine. Not feminine, either. She looks like 'just a person'. So what makes her "canonically a lesbian"? The fact that she is a strong fearsome warrior? Why? Because bi or straight women would not fight but instead latch onto some guy to protect them...?
You see what I mean. Justifications for why an interpretation HAS to be one thing and not the other only make things worse and push people into very narrow, at times outright offensive stereotypes. 'She is this because I think so' is a good enough reason - and that's where you can see that someone else's thoughts will be JUST as valid!
3) Headcanons and fandomry are not activism. No minority will be effected just because in some fandom people ship some character in some ship. EVER. These things are for FUN, lesbians aren't fairies within which one dies every time you say "I don't headcanon X character as a lesbian". What do you think will happen if many, or even majority of people like bi (or even straight) headcanon instead of lesbian? A life essence of a whole demographics will be dried out?
4) "It is not that hard" is not an argument. It is never anyone's business why someone would deny a very inviting opportunity for a headcanon. Freedom and autonomy is the VERY base of having fun in the fandom. In fact, very often, it is this same toxic attitude what makes average users NOT want to celebrate a strong female character as a lesbian. Because they feel like they had no choice! And many people possess contradictory spirit, that might make them choose something as affirmation that they won't be mocked into thinking a certain way.
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Honestly, it is NOT okay that here and there people have to feel afraid to do something as innocent as to share their ideas, and might just end up leaving an interesting character aside because loud and rude people scared them away. Do not let a character you like get "claimed" by some group just because they were the meanest, do not hide your awesome ideas but instead post them and TAG them. Fandoms are free spaces, not a middle school where the popular girls set the trends and decide who gets to be bullied.
And if some people can no longer enjoy a fandom or a character because other people got a different headcanon? Well, then they were not built to be in fandom spaces to begin with.
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sprout-sims · 6 months
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PAMELA SANTOS ⛰️
for @lonvely's bayoutiful ever after bachelorette challenge
Born in the sunny Evergreen Harbor, but raised in the cold slops of Mount Komorebi, 21-year-old Pamela is not one to back down from a challenge. Whether it's snowboarding down the mountain or climbing up to the top of said mountain, her adventurous nature has always led her to paths and experiences most people wouldn't think of trying. That's why she moved all the way across the globe to Britechester, in order to pursue a degree in Physics at the Foxbury Institute, and achieve her dream of becoming an astronaut. Most people who know her would say Pamela sets crazy goals for herself, but she's a stubborn person who rarely gives up before achieving whatever she puts her mind onto.
That is… until it comes to romance. All the bravado Pamela possesses in the face of risky situations or her hard-to-achieve goals disappears when it comes to flirting. Not that she doesn't want it – she craves the intimacy and misses having such a connection to someone. However, despite her bold exterior, Pamela grew up as a rather gloomy person, and insecure when it comes to social interactions. She often finds herself saying (what she believes to be) the wrong thing and ends up behaving awkwardly and uncomfortably, especially when it comes to girls she finds attractive. Even so, the few friends Pamela has are always pushing her to put herself more out there in the dating scene, and can testify for attest what a kind and loyal person she is.
• Her pronouns are she/her and she's a lesbian. • Her close friends call her Pam, and her family calls her Pammy. • She speaks English, Japanese and Portuguese. • Pamela has Ichthyophobia, which means she is afraid of fishes and anything related to them. For that reason, she is not a big fan of beaches or the ocean -- she does enjoy swimming pools and relaxing in the onsen though. • Pamela's family is Brazilian. • Loves having hours long deep conversations, but absolutely sucks at small talk (she will answer questions monosyllabically and then panic internally about not knowing what to say next). • She's very touchy with the people she's close to (if they allow it, of course). • Not much of a homebody, she prefers doing activities outside (except playing videogames, girlie loves her videogames). • Hates cooking. Or baking. Anything related to being in a kitchen besides eating in it. She can whip some pretty good cocktails though. • Doesn't like doing yoga or meditating because she has a hard time staying still and "focusing on relaxing".
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multigenderswag · 1 year
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use of the phrases “men and non-men” and “women and non-women” should be shamed imo. like tell me you hate multigender people without telling me you hate multigender people.
An individual using one (or both) of those phrases to describe their own identity is fine, because everyone has the right to define themselves. But the moment you start forcing those phrases onto others, then it becomes a problem. I wouldn't say shame is the right way to go about this. A lot of people using those phrases are simply doing so because that's what they've learned is "most inclusive," especially among younger queer people, and they're probably just ignorant to multigender issues. That's not their fault, so I think it's more helpful to calmly explain why the phrases aren't very inclusive and are often harmful to multigender people (among other groups). But if they double down to aggressively defend "men and non-men/women and non-women," then they probably do hate multigender people.
That's not to say "men and non-men/women and non-women" doesn't give off the impression of the speaker hating multigender people. When I hear someone say those, it starts setting off alarm bells that go "you there! are you normal about multigender people?" But assuming everyone has malicious intent isn't a very helpful or reasonable way to go about things, so it's good to give them the benefit of the doubt at first.
In shorter terms:
Someone saying "I'm a lesbian, I'm attracted to all non-male genders" isn't a problem. It's their identity, they're allowed to define it that way. (Not that they need permission or anything).
Someone saying "Nonbinary people can be lesbians! Lesbianism doesn't just mean women loving women, it means non-men loving non-men" is iffy, but they probably have good intentions and are just misguided. If possible, educate them. Hopefully they'll listen.
Someone saying "You can't be a lesbian if you're not a non-man loving non-men" is bad. Now is the time to shame them. Or, honestly, just don't engage. They're not worth your time.
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bronanlynch · 8 months
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if ur still doing the character meme: reinhard lotgh?
yessss thank u I have many thoughts abt him
Sexuality Headcanon: has never once been attracted to a woman ever in his life. tbf not sure he's ever knowingly been attracted to anyone who isn't kircheis. everything else is just. well he really wants another want to be a worthy rival/nemesis in a way that isn't not kind of erotic but like. it's not Just erotic it is also very much abt wanting to die in battle to a ~worthy opponent Gender Headcanon: so like. in canon I do think he's a cis man especially considering how strictly gendered the empire military is and he doesn't seem to have much space in his brain left over for exploring his gender. however I do sometimes enjoy rotating trans possibilities in my head and I am compelled by the thought of transmasc reinhard bc I think that. given his ambitions he knows that he needs to be in the military, which means he needs to be/pass as a man (and also given what happens to annerose I think he has specific motivation to not want to navigate the world as a women), and I do enjoy stories abt people who crossdress for plot reasons and then decide that they're trans actually A ship I have with said character: he and kircheis sure are in love A BROTP I have with said character: I am obsessed w his weird complicated friendship w hilde, how she's the closest thing he has to a friend but he doesn't fully trust her bc he doesn't fully trust anyone, her going against his orders to save his life at the end of season 2 and him thanking her but not being able to forgive him, their inevitable lavender marriage, their "butch hitting on a twink she thought was a butch" energy, A NOTP I have with said character: uncomplicatedly romantic het4het reinhard/hilda I guess? extremely important to that dynamic to me that they are a gay man and a lesbian. like I can't really see him properly dating anyone other than kircheis but like. I'm certainly not opposed or immune to any of the homoerotic potential of his relationship w like. reuental or whoever A random headcanon: I think it would be fun if he and kircheis used to cut each other's hair. y'know. the intricate rituals of it all. the intimacy & vulnerability, etc etc. trusting someone else to shape ur appearance and therefore ur public image. and that's partially of why he grows it out after kircheis dies General Opinion over said character: he's so beautiful and so sad and so terrible and I want to study him like a bug. love that he's like. not wrong that the aristocracy is bad except unfortunately he's so much a part of the society that created him that he doesn't have any other way of dealing with it except with more militarism & imperialism & autocracy which does not fix anything in the longterm and will lead to his inevitable and tragic downfall. and also I think it's funny when he makes policy decisions that help the people without seeming to actually like. especially care abt that and everyone is like "oh wow maybe dictatorships are good actually." but yeah in general I love it when characters are tragic and gay and fucked up. and also I cannot wait to see the continually unfolding consequences of letting a 24-year old with a death wish become the most powerful person in the galaxy
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vacantgodling · 5 months
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I wanted to ask about someone from demon slayer but I couldn't figure out who to ask about so. please go off about someone from demon slayer if you have opinions otherwise please blast me with overwatch thoughts for:
15. What's your favorite ship for this character? (Doesn't matter if it's canon or not.)
16. What's your least favorite ship for this character?
17. What's a ship for this character you don't hate but it's not your favorite that you're fine with?
~ @void-botanist
LMAOOO thank you for the ask :’) technically i got some stuff im not normal about when it comes to demon slayer even tho i am much more chill about it than other things that i’m into LOL.
ummm i feel like it’d be easier if i just did it for the cast overall? cuz when else am i gonna talk about this pff
15. What is your favorite ship for this character? (Doesn’t matter if it’s canon or not)
my main demon slayer ships are:
Rengoku x Uzui (like a Lot this is probably my otp of this show. however uzui’s wives are included. its like a separate spoke poly to me? uzui x his wives are one half and the wives are all into each other then uzui x rengoku is the other half and rengoku and uzui’s wives all care about each other in a more platonic way lol. basically a healthy poly thing in my mind)
Tanjiro & Zenitsu & Inosuke (in a platonic way!!! those are my sons don’t separate them or i’ll sob!!!!!!)
Giyuu x Shinobu (i like how she teases him and even if she is disdained by his awkwardness sometimes i think she can really understand where he’s coming from and understand him even when he’s just kinda like :| yknow)
16. What is your least favorite ship for this character?
ig i can go down the list for stuff ive seen with any of the above that i’m not a huge fan of?
Rengoku x Akaza -> i hate akaza so fucking much i am strangling every post i see with him and this ship with my bare hands. I Do Not Care about akaza’s boohoo sad backstory i am killing him and not in the teehee way i mean every time i see him i become Enraged <3. muzan may be the antagonist of demon slayer but i want to see akaza’s death animated in Great Detail.
haven’t seen anything about uzui that’s made me squick cuz most people ship him with either his wives or with rengoku lmao
Tanjiro x Kanao -> even though they are canon i’m just not super into her character ig? like she and tanjiro don’t seem like couple material to me. he doesn’t really treat her any differently than any other person he interacts with (imo) and i would argue he shows more care and interest and love towards zenitsu and inosuke than kanao specifically. aside from the standard anime “girl pretty” energy which like. all anime does that so it’s not even a measure of attraction to me anymore (being a long time anime fan). don’t get me wrong i don’t hate her as a character but as a couple they just seem so… boring. esp of the main three canon couples. like inosuke and aoi i can see and i don’t mind, zenitsu and nezuko are a given but… kanao just isn’t a good match for my boy ig (to me) 💀💀
Zenitsu and Inosuke only really get shipped with Nezuko/Tanjiro (solo) respectively and i don’t dislike those. i just like the three of them together at all costs so ig i don’t like the idea of tanjiro and inosuke dating and zenitsu kinda being on the side if i HAD to be nitpicky about it. like the three of them are a unit. do not separate.
Giyuu x Sanemi -> sorry i just don’t like sanemi 💀💀💀
Shinobu x Mitsuri -> i LOVE mitsuri to death. but i hate when fandoms ship two femme characters just because they could be a lesbian couple and for no other reason aside from that. like i get Why because lesbian candidates in anime is fleeting esp in shonen bc of a lack of femme characters in general so like. i understand that but maybe just cuz im not a lesbian idc that much. it’s similar to how i feel about tanjiro/kanao i just don’t think mitsuri has put any special emphasis on her relationship with shinobu. like she looks up to her definitely. but like mitsuri loves everyone. and i feel like shinobu would do better with someone she wouldn’t feel pressured to be Only the happy side of herself with and i feel like once she broke down that barrier she would be able to be more herself around giyuu than around mitsuri.
also this isn’t mentioned in my main ships but i don’t like Mitsuri and Obanai as a couple. idc if they’re canon i don’t like him he’s annoying asf he is not good enough for my girl.
17. What's a ship for this character you don't hate but it's not your favorite that you're fine with?
Rengoku x Giyuu i’ve seen around and i’m okay with it. i love both of these two to death (#tanjiro’solderbrothers) and so them together makes me very soft. i think it would be super rough for giyuu just because i don’t think he’d think he was Good Enough for rengoku which is why i don’t ship it too heavily but like i love them both so i’m never mad when i see it.
Giyuu x Sabito i don’t really ship but like obviously i get why people do and it makes my heart hurt despite not shipping it like that </3
Tanjiro x Genya or Tanjiro x Muichiro are two things i don’t mind seeing. i don’t really ship them bc like. tanjiro is my son and it’s kinda weird for me to think about him romantically l m a o? and muichiro is even younger than him lol. in the case of genya i totally get it but again it’s more just “hmm yes that’s his best friend” like i immediately in my mind view it platonically vs romantically.
annnnd i think that’s it from off the top of my head? thank you again this was fun to actually talk about instead of just rotating it in my brain PFF
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max--phillips · 1 year
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genuine question but if being heterosexual or homosexual has nothing to do with genitals then what are those of us exclusively attracted to one sex or another supposed to do or call ourselves...
I’m going to do my best to respond to this in good faith, but you’ll have to excuse me if I get a little snippy because I am not the only person who has addressed this and trans people are, rightfully, kind of tired of having this conversation. That said, this is probably going to get long.
The short answer is: why do you feel the need to differentiate yourselves? You just keep using whatever label makes you happy.
The long answer has several parts. It has to do with division, medicalization, communication, and, of course, attraction.
First: division. This is a slightly longer version of my short answer. If you identify as a lesbian, and you truly are only interested in having sex with people with vulvas, you’re still a lesbian. There’s no need for you to differentiate yourself from the rest of the community. I’ll expand a little on that with communication.
TERFs reeeeaaaaaaaally want lesbians to be their own little island within the LGBT community, as if we don’t have a long, rich history that overlaps with bi women, trans women, trans men, and nonbinary folks. Bi women face similar discrimination. Trans women have always been a part of our community because they are women. It isn’t unheard of for a trans man to refer to themself as a butch lesbian, or vice versa, and for that to be completely valid (and there is a ton of overlap in our experiences otherwise!) Nonbinary people have always been a part of our community, too. While labels are important to many people, we need them to stay labels and not become boxes. The world is not black and white, and neither is gender and sexuality.
Second: medicalization. I realize that the terms homosexual and transsexual are being actively reclaimed by our community, but I do not know very many folks who choose to label themselves as “homosexual.” (Not that you can’t, of course, it’s a perfectly valid label to choose!) The reason they’re being reclaimed is because they came from the field of psychiatry to pathologize our lived experienced because they were seen as wrong or deviant or abnormal. But, words change meaning over time. In the context of the LGBT community, “homosexual” just means gay or lesbian. It no longer means its biological definition, which is two animals of the same sex engaging in sexual activity. Therefore, someone who uses the label homosexual is typically not implying that they are strictly attracted to someone of the same sex, but rather as someone who is attracted to the same gender.
We need to learn, as a society, that yes, gender is a construct, but so is sex. It is two arbitrary categories for people with “typical” genitalia and other secondary sex characteristics. Yet, many people fall outside of those categories, and may not even realize it their whole life; many DSDs/intersex conditions are wholly undetectable unless specific medical tests are run. Sex is just as complicated a subject as gender, and once again, folks (especially TERFs) want so desperately for everything to be black and white that they ignore this fact when having this conversation.
I’m going to mess with the order here a little bit. Third: attraction. I’m going to say something that is going to make you defensive, but I ask that you hear me out. You are not attracted to a specific sex. Let me explain. Let’s say you see someone on the street. You know absolutely nothing about this person, but you find them sexually attractive. Given the opportunity, you’d gladly have sex with them. But, you still don’t know anything about their chromosome makeup, or their genitalia, or anything other than the outward facing secondary sex characteristics you can see. This may give you an assumption as to their sex, but it does not guarantee anything either way. You don’t know anything about their biological sex until you get into their pants or ask—and even then you STILL might not know.
There are trans women with vulvas. There are trans men with penises. Yet, technically, only the orientation of their genitalia was changed, not what sex they were determined to be by their DNA—be that peri- or intersex. Yes, bottom surgery used to be referred to as a sex change, but the language has evolved to be gender affirmation surgery (which also includes other procedures, such as top surgery and FFS.) Ultimately, at the end of the day, you are not attracted to a specific sex. You are attracted to a specific gender, and you have a genital preference. Which is fine! And leads to my last point.
Finally: communication. Look, I know that there was a pretty strong camp a while back that was like “if you have a genital preference you’re transphobic” and while I will always encourage people to examine why they have a genital preference (is it trauma? Is it genuinely just preference? Or is it internalized transphobia?) I don’t think that having those preferences is inherently transphobic. That said, there is a correct way to go about communicating that preference.
Just be fucking polite. If you’re flirting with someone and think you might get busy, you just tell them, “hey, I think you’re really cool, but I just want to let you know I’m really only comfortable with this specific genital situation. Is that going to pose an issue?” And if they say like, sorry but I don’t have that situation, you say “bummer, but no worries! You’re cool though, I’d still like to hang out/be friends/whatever.” And if they say no issues here, steal me away, then y’all go do whatever you wanna do.
Key takeaways: you put the onus of the genital preference on yourself, not on the other person. No “what’s in your pants,” no “so have you had bottom surgery,” none of that. And you also don’t react negatively when and if they tell you one way or the other. This is not an invitation for you to lash out at them or be violent or anything crazy like that.
Ultimately. Stop trying to force the world into pure black and white categories and realize that everything has overlap and complexities that you cannot and will not root out. Separation only makes us easier to conquer. And they won’t stop conquering with the minority du jour. They will come for you, too.
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feathered-serpents · 1 year
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What even is bisexual lesbian and why did twitter got worked up about it??
Bisexual lesbian is, from my understanding, kind of a label that is different for everyone. For some people it means lesbian who also dates non-binary people, for some it means someone who prefers women so strongly they identify greatly with the word lesbian but have had very few instances of being attracted towards other genders. For some they identify with one label in one way and the other in another way (for example: Lesbian as a gender/experience label, bisexual as a sexuality. Vice versa. It's whatever)
Twitter got up in arms about it because of three reasons (that I saw the most often)
It's transphobic
Lesbians can't like men/non-women
It is biphobic/lesbiphobic
Number 1 is referring to some people using bisexual-lesbian to mean they were a lesbian attracted to trans women AS WELL AS cis women. This is obviously transphobic as you're implying that trans women are somehow not "real women" and attraction to them deserves an entire label of its own. So that's shitty. But it's worth noting there is no proof this is where the label originated and I find it kind of hard to swallow an argument that boils down to "Some people who use this label SUCK so, therefore, this label SUCKS" when that's true for literally every queer identity that ever exists. Queer people are people, sometimes people suck. There is no queer label that proves "shitty person" or "good person." We've had that discussion before and it's Bad
Number 2 is kind of. Incredibly online. Very obvious that these people have not researched any of their own history and would probably tell a bisexual woman she can't use terms like "butch, fem, dyke" etc. Historically, lesbian just meant "woman attracted to other women." That's it. It didn't have to be exclusively women, it was just ANY attraction to women. This makes this argument feel weirdly ignorant and would probably make a 70-year-old queer person look at you like you were insane
And finally number 3. Which reeks of virtue signaling. Because you will never really get anyone to explain to you how it's these things. The most common sort of explanation you get is "clearly this person is uncomfortable identifying with one over the other because of internalized biphobia and lesbiphobia, so they just use both without having to pick" and I just. I don't like it. I don't like telling people what they're feeling. If someone has picked a label, I don't understand how you could feel so entitled to this stranger's psyche to decide they're doing it for the wrong reasons. You don't KNOW them. It is never your business how someone else chooses to identify
Number 3 also often hand in hand with "it harms real lesbians/real bisexuals" and by GOD does that infuriate me. "Real lesbians" is the most terfy thing I've ever seen in my life and I saw people on twitter who claimed to hate terfs use it without any self-awareness whatsoever. And "harms" them? How? HOW are they harming them? Because I promise you, some twitter girl identifying as a bisexual-lesbian is NOT ever going to do anywhere near the same amount of harm as the republican lawmakers who have made it their life's MISSION to take every strand of human rights we've been given away from us.
And if you're thinking that the existence of bisexual-lesbians was going to make some frat dude utterly convinced that he can cure lesbians with his penis feel like he suddenly has a chance. Newsflash. That is not the bisexual-lesbians fault. That dude does not see women has capable of making choices that could possibly exclude him. That is ENTIRELY his problem. You're looking at someone doing something heinous and instead of punishing him, you're looking at some completely random individual and going "See what you've done? You enabler"
Look, bisexual, lesbian, they're both beautiful words that deserve to be used by whoever wants to use them. The person using these labels probably fought for YEARS to become comfortable with them enough to associate them with themselves. I have not met a single queer person who did not fight that fight, you do not, under any circumstances, have the right to take that from them. Lesbian is a gorgeous word that means something different to everyone, bisexual is just as gorgeous and is just as personal. You do not have the right to take them away just because you don't understand its personal meaning to someone else
TLDR; Being queer is a deeply personal experience and queer labels are beautiful things. You have no right to tell anyone they can't use a label they want. Queer exclusion is always bad
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rolaplayor101 · 2 years
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Karma Akabane is bellusromantic aroace on main and it's crazzyy that no one else notices it.
During the field trip, the boys all ask each other what girls they’re into. When Karma is asked, he takes it rather in stride. “Hmm, Okuda, I guess.”
What gets me is the “I guess” part. Cause he knows they're talking about romance/sex, but he knows he’s aroace and he’s chill about it, but there’s no reason to randomly come out to these dorks, so he just picks the girl he thinks would be the easiest to get along with.
Like if he cared about making friends, he’d probably become friends with her. She’d be really useful in the mission to kill Korosensei
And it SHOWS in how he answers why. Like he doesn’t say anything like “she’s cute” or “I like the shy type” or “nice personality” he’s like, shes good with poisons and we could cause a whole lot of trouble
If he has to choose someone, might as well be her
He’ll just play along, since he can’t be bothered to be bombarded with amatonormative questions afterwards if he did end up just flat out say he doesn’t like anyone
He doesn’t care about sex or romance, but he does find everyone elses thoughts on it amusing. He’s a go with the flow kinda guy, up to a point.
He gets paired with Okuda at the Test of Courage, but even though he knows what Korosensei is going for, he's not bothered by it at all
Neither he or her are interested in each other. They’re good friends and they’re comfortable like that
He’s more interested in whatever scary stuff Korosensei thinks he’s got planned for them when they go deeper into the cave, if any.
He finds it funny whenever anyone picks on Nagisa, especially when it comes to romance stuff, because he gets so weird about it.
Nagisa is aroace too obviously but he’s definitely not as favorable around romance stuff as Karma is. Karma teases him about it all the time
Karma and Rio tease Nagisa about it whenever the situation comes up
See all the “dates” with the rich boy, and the kiss with Kayano
Its really funny seeing him being so oblivious to Kayano’s feelings, or him getting awkward about the rich guys crush on him. Dude's so repulsed.
Karma doesn’t do anything for Valentine’s day cause…why would he?
When the guys are trying to sneak a peak at the girls panties, he’s not even there, he's so uninterested.
Like almost all the other guys are trying to do this perverted thing and Karma just,, is nowhere to be found…
why didn’t the mangaka write him in?
You know why.
Karma is bellusromantic, so he can play-flirt if he is in the mood to. Usually just making jokes with Rio.
Rio and Karma are Aro/Lesbian(??? I think that’s canonical??) Solidarity
Since Karma is bellusromantic aroace, he's fine with handholding or going on "dates" even though its pretty synonymous with just hanging out, but since he's friends with girls, to people on the outside it looks like dates. But that's only if he ever wants to hang out with anyone, period.
During the final battle on Korosensei’s birthday, he grabs Okuda so they can run together
Cause she’s the closest behind him and also they’re pretty good friends and also she’s not as fast as Rio, I think
She also wouldn’t take it weirdly. Not that she knows he's aroace--maybe she does, but they’re pretty cool around each other. Rio would make fun of him for it, and Nagisa can take care of himself.
When he’s an adult, he obviously isn’t with Okuda or anyone. Doesn’t keep in touch often.
Even with Nagisa. That was established.
He’s focused on becoming a politician. Relationships, outside of the business ones to further his career, are not even in the question-- they’re so far at the back of his mind.
Dude's aroace
Like, when has he ever shown ANY romantic or sexual attraction towards ANYONE? And I mean real attraction. Never, right! Anyway Happy Pride, I just wanted to finally make this Aspec Analysis it's own post! DNI aphobes, queerphobes, period; and proshipp/antiantis-- you're gross and stupid
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I’ll post the anon this is in response to in a second but it’s very long so I’m making a seperate post just so this doesn’t get buried.
The gist of it is a queston (how did you realise that you like men and how did you become okay with it) followed by an explanation that she thinks she’s also a female leaning bisexual but has recurring thoughts that she’s lying to herself and is actually a lesbian, followed by an explanation of situations that have made her feel that way.
I find it easier to answer the opposite question; how didn’t I realise (or rather, stop doubting) that I was attracted to men, even though I’d been in heterosexual relationships, had had consensual sex with a man, and was still sexually engaging with men online at the time that I was questioning.
For me personally, and it seems like you relate to this, it’s because I was constantly overanalysing my feelings to the point where no amount of proof would’ve been good enough. I have OCD which makes it particularly easy to get stuck in that cycle, and I catastrophised the potential scenario of just accepting uncertainty. In my head I needed to be 100% certain in order to be able to have a relationship where I wouldn’t inadvertently hurt someone, in order to be a good person and not an (accidental) fraud/liar, in order to find fulfillment in life, in order to have permission to talk about the aspects of my sexuality that I was immensely struggling with. And that need to be certain meant continually subjecting myself to expirements that were hurting me and that were, realistically, never going to leave me feeling like I’d actually found my answer.
What I should’ve been asking myself wasn’t “am I actually a lesbian”, because I was putting myself in a position where I felt like that was the only acceptable reason to stop doing things that made me uncomfortable. I should’ve been asking myself “does what I’m doing feel good, and if not, why not (so I can avoid doing it again)”. If PIV doesn’t do it for you then stop having PIV. Having fleeting crushes and an inconsistent libido isn’t an inherently bad thing, and it’s worth asking yourself if you’re ascribing expectations to yourself that make them bad (as opposed to just being able to take things for what they are).
For what it’s worth from your description (I’ve had sex with men and I kind of enjoyed it but kind of not/am only into it if I’m hornier than usual, I’ve kissed guys and it was okay, I have crushes on men) I would definitely assume that you’re bisexual. But being bisexual doesn’t mean you can’t be harmed by (and harming yourself with) heteronormative expectations. You might be attracted to men but in a way lesser degree than the average straight/bi woman, and that’s okay. It doesn’t mean you have to have any kind of relationship with men, and if you do choose to, it doesn’t mean it has to look like a standard straight relationship. This entire post was about men because the entire anon was too, but if you’re a female leaning bisexual then the majority of your sexuality is focused on women. Consider not putting all of your own focus on being with men.
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ok a definitive rating of all dance academy couples i'm 100% right on this don't even try me
tara x christian - always have been and always will be the no 1 christara slut on this planet like i'm sorry but for me they are truly a romeo and juliet, rose and jack, once in a lifetime relationship, they will always belong together and always find their way back to each other, even if they fuck up and hurt each other sometimes
abigail x ethan - i never truly appreciated their relationship until i got a little older but they are so good for each other, just completely on the same level regarding their wants and needs and i'm so mad that they weren't endgame
sammy x abigail - especially in s1 they just hit different like they are so cute together and i'm obsessed with their dynamic and i truly think if sammy hadn't died they could have become a really great couple in s2 as well because they had both matured so much
tara x ben - although imo benstara wouldn't really have worked out in the long run, they're still really good for each other and i like that tara gets to live out her sillier, more carefree side with him. ultimately though, i don't think that 100% fits her so they're definitely better off as friends
sammy x ollie - i absolutely adore ollie in s3 but i think in s2 he definitely still had a lot of work to do on himself. again, if sammy hadn't died their relationship would have been good to revisit in s3 after he's grown a bit and i think they could have become really awesome together
kat x christian - they were cute while it lasted (and i do think they make a very attractive couple, not that that's important), but you could tell christian's heart was never truly in it and kat just deserved better than that
abigail x wes - i mean i guess they're fine but tbh i just don't like abi ending s3 with someone who's not a part of the main squad, it just doesn't feel right. i love that they have some history in barcelona though, and the scene where he was dancing shirtless under the bridge and abi breaks down does get me
grace x ben - i think if grace has to be with anybody in the group, ben is the best fit and i do like their dynamic in s3, but tbh i think grace has a lot more work to do on herself before she can actually enter a serious relationship. on another note, my aroace grace (arograce?) headcanon just doesn't allow for this
ollie x rhys - terrible. rhys is a fine enough character (even though he's such a non-character like i couldn't name a single thing about him) but imo it was just so obvious that they were scrambling to have everyone end up with someone by the finale and also they didn't want to make anyone of the main cast gay so they did this. their chemistry was fine i guess but it just felt so rushed and underdeveloped
tara x ethan - i think tara x ethan were never meant to last more than a couple episodes, this was more for narrative purposes, so all of what i'm saying is very much canon but they just never fit together. when they were together they were at completely different points in their lives and they could never have given each other what they needed and deserved
kat x ben - also out of nowhere, i don't think their storyline should have gone any further than ben having a crush on kat in s2 and her rejecting him. this is one decision they made in the movie that is truly baffling to me, like what 👏🏻 was 👏🏻 the 👏🏻 reason 👏🏻 ? imo ben should have realised during the pas de deux with ollie that he is actually bisexual and then gotten together with ollie (still mad we didn't get to see a single second of them dancing together), and kat is the biggest lesbian anyways which is why all of her relationships on the show were so shit
kat x jamie - suffering from the ollie x rhys problem, jamie is just very transparently a character they brought on so kat could end the show in a relationship. i actually love that he's so goofy and i love his and kat's dynamic as weirdo besties but he doesn't fit with her romantically at ALL
kat x myles - stupidly terrible, i mean not only was myles like in his mid-twenties at the youngest and kat was like 16??? hellO how did no one think that was weird?? their relationship was also so fanfic-y and myles was just really not likeable to me. i kinda love that the show broke with that in order to not have him in s2 and were like 'actuallyy he's still annoying and everything he said about himself and his goals in s1 is not true, he's actually just a whiny bitch' gotta respect that
kat x the dude from the movie, i can't be bothered to look up his name - that tells you all you need to know
kat x lukas - do i even need to say anything, like this was obviously only a thing to show that kat was not doing well and holy shit it worked, babygirl i KNOW you're a repressed lesbian and can't choose good comphet relationships for shit but really?? that piece of toenail? jesus
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yooo it’s the Intro post!
: my name? dennis parking lot. denny for short. I also more commonly go by Will
: use whatever pronouns you’re comfortable with or you think suit me! she/they/he are good but if you look at me and see a xe/xir by all means try it out, I’ll tell ya if it bothers me
: my space dork account is @astroexobiology : basically an rvb blog at this point ngl
: interact with me more than twice and you’re an honorary mutual. sorry not sorry chum
: I have only one consistent tag and it’s #blueys-parking-space. everything else is, well. good luck in there, soldier🫡
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homophobes transphobes aphobes queerphobes etc ableist racist antisemetic terfs maps/pedos/proshippers any kind of alt-right anything
Harry Potter Fans blocked on sight- identifying as TERF, radfem, or not, if you’re aware of what’s happening and you’re still actively supporting it you’re still part of the problem and I just don’t wanna deal with you being term gatekeepy as in bisexual only means cisgender men and women, only lesbians can be butch, etc etc etc. queer culture is diverse and supportive and it always has been, as long as you’re not infringing upon other types of identity and culture by the use of your term (like if you’re white, you’re not a stud, you’re a butch) and be respectful in your definition of your label and let other people have their own. if you say you’re asexual but you still engage in sex and feel some kind of attraction but there’s something there that’s still not allosexual fuck it be asexual! you’re not hurting anybody! if it changes later that’s cool! all terms have spectrums and there’s a reason for that, no label will ever be perfect- if we tried to draw hard lines for the term bisexual we’d exclude people who are bisexual no matter how we define it. which is why personal definitions on a case-by-case basis are good, because everyone who wants one can use them suitably. and please don’t assume you have the right to label anyone because you can ‘see that they’re not using the right word for what they are’. if who you think is just an effeminate gay man is saying they’re a trans woman then they are a trans woman. you do not know them better then yourself. and if their identity changes, even if it becomes what you thought, you still have no right to enforce your idea because it was ‘correct’. Radfems and TeRfS do that. They label trans men as confused gay women instead, they label trans women predatory and dangerous men with a fetish, they assume their ‘view’ of someone determines who they actually are and that is not okay. No matter have obvious or provable you think your take on someone is, don’t label who they are. Thats not for you to decide.
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Why Do Acephobic Jerks Bring Out My Dark Side...
[Note: do NOT reblog without permission, also some of this will be mature talk, such as the type of people who believe “r*pe” fixes someone, but really it doesn’t and does more harm than good........this isn’t for little kids, and the tags will have “mature audience only” and “not for kids” along with other mature tags. also no one has to read this post, as it is optional....so only read this post if you want to.]  
there is nothing wrong with being Ace or Aceflux, and even when I do flux some humans will still have a problem with my being Aceflux.
Toxic-Humans who seem to have a problem with Aces
and some who even agree to that "corrective r***" are going to be not attractive to me...
and those who do the corrective r*** might end up going to hell, and shouldn't even go to heaven.
even if other Earth Angels might disagree with me on that, but if some who are Acephobic cross that so called "corrective r***" line....then they should be punished for it.
I will NEVER forgive toxic-humans that think it's okay to do such a disgusting thing...
and there is some Aces that can be Bi, Vincian, Lesbian, Sapphic, Achillean, Enbian and Heteroromantic.
and it isn't right for both sides to try to force Aces to be interest in s*x in the same way that Heterosexuals or some who in the LGBT.
like one side saying that all Aces are Straight  while the other says that all Aces are Gay......FYI, some Aces will be romantically attracted to the opposite gender or the same gender or both, not all Aces are gonna be the same.
and even if I do know that not all people in the LGBT are jerks to Aces, I still would rather be a part of LGBTQIA.....
this is because of the jerks in LGBT who don't seem to want Aces to be part of them and say that all Aces are straight, and while some Aces are Heteroromantic-Ace or Heteroromantic-Aceflux, this isn't the case for all Aces...
plus I can be Aroaceflux and have another romantic identity added to it, meaning I wouldn't just be Aromantic-Flux....even though I know that I wasn't always Aromantic or Aroflux...
but that can be said for many who don't always start out as Aromantic but might become one later on...
I have had crushes before, and I even fell for the wrong type of guys, who I now know weren't the right type for me, and might of not really loved me for me....and I was a fool to trust them with my heart.
and besides being Aroaceflux, I know that I am a type of energy empath, and it might be possible that I have been picking up "lustful energies" that were not my own that would cause me to feel....
well let's say "turn on"....so I have another reason to wear my gem bracelets, besides the other reasons I wear them....
it is also to protect me from picking up those type of energies from people, that can fly around the air and end up in my space and cause me to feel it. besides those types of energies causing well that "switch".....
it might be possible that those energies can also cause seizures in children, some energies could be dangerous for babies and children who are empath, and if there is like too many people in a very big room, then the energies of those people will cause a overload to the body when the energy of those people end up being absorbed.
like even if you are minding your own business, and if you had seizures that aren't really the normal type, then you might end up having your body absorbing the energies of others that end up around the air.
some seizures will be energy based, and even if doctors try to solve the problem the same way they do with the seizures that don't happen because of energies....
they will only end up doing more harm than good and causing those who have energy based seizures own bodies to become addicted to the medicine....
I have learned that the best medicine for me, was moving away from the town that most of my seizures had happen in, because since moving to the town I live at now, I haven't had a seizure since, which I think might have to do with most of the places in the other town I had lived at before, had some bad energies in it.
it might not make sense to some, but not all seizures will be the type that will need the medicine, but even those who have energy based seizures will still be stuck taking it...
so far I'm the only Aroaceflux who has figured out they are a type of Empath and made sure to protect myself from other people's energies....
if I'm gonna feel any form of being "turn on" I rather it be on my body's terms when it flux to that, and not because of outside energy that belongs to someone else.
if I had to pick a song that fits the foolishness on how some humans who put down other humans for being Ace or Aceflux....
it would be "You'll Never Win My Love" by Jem & The Holograms.
if I was ever harmed in that disgusting "corrective" way, and my big brother ever found out......it is possible he would beat the inhuman filth who would dare harm me in that way. even if we might not agree with each other at times, but I'm still his baby sister (I can still use the word "sister" because I'm a Enbirl...)
and if he found out that one of those sickos had deflowered me without me being okay with it.....then he would likely punch them and beat them senseless. but I rather him not cross the line when beating them up, even if they deserve the beating, I don't want him to cross a line.
if those sickos keep going down that disgusting path, then what will be waiting for them will be a very mad parent or sibling who will beat them up. and if it weren't for the fact I'm also using my gem bracelets as sealing charms and limiters....
I would possibly go "Alessa Gillespie" on those sickos...
I love Silent Hill....I hope there will be a third movie someday. I still haven't beat the Silent Hill games I have, I know I'm stuck on some parts of the one where you play as Heather.
one of the reasons why I decided to use my gem bracelets as sealing charms and limiters, so I don't end up like Alessa Gillespie or Carrie White....
even if there are some people who are Acephobic, at least some of them know not to cross that disgusting line to try to “fix” someone.
that isn’t love, that is a heartless and loveless action that will only end up hurting the person, possibly both mentally and emotionally.
that isn’t “fixing” someone, that is breaking them to the point where they might never be the same again, and would probably have to therapy to talk about the trauma that was done to them. 
it isn’t right and it sucks that humans like that can both trigger and bring out a dark side of myself.
maybe the song that would match me when having to put up with Acephobic jerks, would be “Never Fall In Love Again” by Evan Rachel Wood.
“they can’t tell me what’s all about, cause I been there and I’m glad I’m out.”
and if I give my heart to someone who’s Acephobic, my heart is likely to shatter.
also is it weird to have thoughts of wanting to punch both Asmodeus and Raphael...?
I have my reasons of wanting to punch and or slap those two.... 
I’m still gonna have Raphael on that restraining order, he is still not allowed near me, like we could be in the same house and he could be in the other room, but he isn’t allowed to come too close to me.
and yes I had prayed for that restraining order, why I had to do it, I don’t want to explain about it right now...but I will say this, if it is true that Raphael has a pranking side to himself, he needs to learn there is a time and place for that.
and well, Asmodeus just confuses me, and yes I know he is suppose to be the embodiment of lust, but that ain’t what is confusing me.
maybe I can talk about the confusing thing with Asmodeus another time...
but I don’t think I will ever truly understand or accept Acephobia.
or why some humans think it’s okay to do that disgusting “fix” and think it is a good thing when it isn’t, it is loveless and heartless and will only do more harm than good. 
maybe it be best to try not to let those Acephobic jerks as well as those who do that whole stupid “fix” thing, get to me.
maybe talking about this once in a while in maybe a much calmer way might be good at times, but not all the time, maybe only once in a while.
I don’t think I was in a calm mood when first getting some of the feelings out about those who r*pe just to, well you know....but it isn’t okay no matter if it’s that stupid disgusting “fixing” or the other...
I know my family wouldn’t cross that disgusting line, even if I know they might not understand why I’m Aroaceflux, and might not know there will be some Aces who will be Heteroromantic and not all Aces will be the same.
I still can’t talk to them about it, I did want to come out as Aceflux, but like I said before, I wanted to get my family’s thoughts on Asexuality first before I came out.
like I said the other few times when I told this story, it didn’t turn out well, and I had to act like the talk wasn’t about me, and once I was in my room I let myself cry.
sometimes you can’t come out to your family, and that is the case with me.
I don’t think my family are like those Acephobic jerks and some of who end up crossing lines that shouldn’t be crossed.
I wonder if I talked to my big brother about it, would he accept me for being Aroaceflux...?
maybe I can ask him to promise not to tell anyone else in our family about it.
weird, for some reason right now, tears started to come out of my eyes...
maybe a part of me is worried that he might not accept me being Aroaceflux either.
I don’t know, but maybe if I try to do some stuff to take my mind off of it.
maybe it is possible to build up a immunity to some energies if your a energy empath, I’m not sure....I will have to look it up and see if it is possible.
I’m still gonna wear my gem bracelets when I sleep, to protect me for outside energies, and because of certain reasons I can’t use my dream-catcher for a while, I will still use one of my other gems as a alternative.
maybe after I check out a few arts on here, and then go and read, I can try to do some meditation, or maybe play some video games....
then again, maybe I can just check a few arts on here, read a little bit and then go to bed early....cause I just want to lay down and try to relax and not think about how stupid some toxic-humans are.
I hope some can understand my thoughts and feelings, and it doesn’t get misinterpreted.
no sane person would be okay with that sick and twisted thing that goes on.
even if you could write some mature fan fic or write a movie or video game with that kind of thing in it, but at least have the sicko get the karma where their actions have consequences.            
I would feel safer with The Radio Demon from Hazbin Hotel, than dangerous Acephobic Humans....yeah a Defective Earth Angel feeling more safer around a someone like Alastor, makes you question half of humanity that make up half of Omnimanity....
Alastor is still funny though, he’s dangerous but funny.
also I know I don’t know many empaths, and I didn’t even know I was one before when I kept having seizures in the places where I use to live before living in the town I live at now, because for some reason they stop all together.
I don’t think my family believes me or takes me seriously about my talking about that my seizures might be energy based.
heck, even I know that some who read this, wont take it seriously and only maybe a small half will and understand that not all seizures will be the same.
plus it’s like you can write mature stuff in some fan fic, like some stuff that is “snu-snu” implied but not really feel anything towards it.
I guess that might be confusing to some, but it’s like if you think about a mature scene from like one of the Deadpool Movies, but you don’t really feel anything about the scene...maybe some who read this might get what I’m trying to say.
or like if you think about the mature private time scenes in Mass Effect video game, where Shepard ends up having well “snu-snu” with one of the love interests, and you might end up finding yourself not really feeling anything towards it, like you know in the s*xual way....
maybe some will understand what I mean, and some might be considered lucky to not have their body go through well feeling “turn on” out of the blue, and finding out it is because half the time it isn’t you, it’s someone’s energy going through the air and your just ending up absorbing it.
and yeah, some people get some things wrong about that type of energy empath thing...
I mean, you don’t have to make physical contact for it to happen.
and I’m not sure if gem protection will work for everyone, and then there is the possibility you will still be valuable when you go to sleep.
and maybe I’m not the only one who gets all “dark side” when it comes to humans who are Acephobic or like thinking that their way of “fixing” solves everything, what they are doing is making some real life human less attractive.
and is it weird to have thoughts that Acephobics are possibly gonna be the reasons why I don’t want to fall in love.
like maybe some might have those thoughts, I don’t know...
but I know that some who are Acephobic, just don’t care or understand.            
they will possibly keep thinking that s*x is more important or like only being s*xually attracted to someone...well it sure seems that way.
it’s like “oh you should be really into s*x” or like “hey, why aren’t you into s*x, maybe you should try it.” or them being all “you just need to do it.”
DON’T FREAKING TELL ME TO DO IT JUST BECAUSE YOU PUT IT AS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE THE FEELING THAT SHOULD BE IN THE HEART, I AM NOT GONNA DO IT BECAUSE YOU ACEPHOBIC JERKS THINK IT’S MORE IMPORTANT THAN IT BEING BALANCED OUT WITH THE HEART FEELING!
sorry everyone, but with how some Acephobic people are, they are basically acting high on s*x and they are kind of making it seem that is the only thing that is important.
I can’t be the only one who views it that way, because it really does seem that some humans thinks s*x is more important and some who are Ace or Aceflux are just something alien to them, and they just assume that all Aces are straight or gay, not all Aces will be the same and we know that it will be the Toxic-Straights who will be the ones who believe that all Aces are Gay, same goes for some who are in LGBT who believe all Aces are straight.
I know that not everyone in LGBT are jerks to Aces, there are some good people in LGBT who aren’t insensitive jerks to those who are Ace.
 and I don’t want there to be a misunderstanding with the good people in LGBT, and I hope they understand why I would rather be part of LGBTQIA, because at least in the Multi-A in it, the Ace is included in a fair way, right...?
I’m still not sure if I am Intersex, even if I have suspected it but I am really not sure anymore, there are different types of Intersex, and not all will be noticeable after you are born.
I know that the “I” in LGBTQIA, stands for Intersex.
if there was a blood test I could do, that can show me if I’m Intersex or not, that would be great.
I mean they have that home blood test, that let’s you see what your blood type is, why can’t there be one where it can tell you if your Intersex or not.
and I can’t talk to my family about it, and it’s not likely I can get a doctor to help with it.
and there are reasons why I suspected that I might be Intersex, but maybe I’m not.
maybe I shouldn’t worry about it right now, I’m still unsure about it.
anyway, I hope some you understand why some humans who do that disgusting stuff and half of them might be acephobic, peeve me off.
maybe whenever people like that peeve me off, I should try to do stuff that calms me and helps me relax, like maybe listening to some music and reading, and saving playing video games with fighting in it for later.
I can’t help but love using the bat in Fallout 4, and I was finally able to upgrade one of the bats.
it does seem the bat gets a bit more powerful when you upgrade it in the game.
anyway I’m just gonna go and check out a few arts on here, and then maybe in the next post, I can talk about some fun stuff like fan theories about a show or movie or video game or book series.                           
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goosemixtapes · 3 years
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ok i’ve elected to just Make The Damn Post My Damn Self because i need something to link back to when i inevitably get into arguments about this because i have run-my-mouth disorder. so. slightly-more-generally-applicable companion piece to this post:
“but how can lesbians use he/him pronouns???!?1???”
1: pronouns =/= gender.
one of the arguments i see a lot with this topic is “pronouns = gender, & saying otherwise is transphobic.” i GET this, because pronouns are important & often correlate with gender, but saying pronouns = gender is oversimplified. pronouns are a method of gender presentation - same as clothing, name, & so on & so forth. society genders all of these things, but names & clothing do not prescribe gender. a man, cis or trans, who decides to wear a dress does not become a woman because of the dress; a woman, cis or trans, with a traditionally “masculine” name (ex. bailey, taylor, cameron), does not become a man because of the name. closeted trans people, if they must use names and wear clothing correlated with their agab, are still trans & are still the gender they are.
yes, most binary-gendered people choose clothing & names that “match” their gender, but some might not! think of butch lesbians -- they are women, just deliberately gendernonconforming women. pronouns are the same way -- the majority of men use “masculine” pronouns, & the majority of women use “feminine” pronouns, but this is because pronouns are a form of gender expression/presentation.
“pronouns =/= gender” does not equate to “i can misgender whoever i want.” pronouns should always be respected.
2: nonbinary people can use whatever pronouns they want.
this follows from #1. yeah, i’d say the majority of nonbinary people use they/them pronouns. but not all nonbinary people dress totally androgynously; some present more feminine or more masculine. the same is true for pronouns. nonbinary people may use she/her or he/him pronouns as part of their presentation - think of jonathan van ness (uses primarily he/him) or rebecca sugar (uses she/her along with they/them). this isn’t even getting into neopronouns; that’s a whole different post. the point is that restricting nonbinary people to they/them pronouns really misses the point of identifying as nonbinary: it’s not a third slot in the gender binary; it’s the general state of existing outside or partially outside of it.
(note: cis people can also use whatever pronouns they want. some cis lesbians use he/him; i’ll get to he/him lesbians a few slots down, but i just want to make it clear that sometimes cis people also use pronouns to express gender nonconformity & that’s their business & the same idea!)
3: lesbians can be nonbinary.
nonbinary =/= totally genderless. sometimes, for some people, it does mean that! but not for everyone. see #2 again, on trying to make nonbinary a strictly defined third gender.
(note: this doesn’t only apply to lesbians. this honestly applies to anyone. i’m just talking about lesbians because that’s My Lane.)
lesbians in particular often have complex relationships with gender, & have for literal decades. as womanhood is to a large degree constructed in contrast to & in relation to manhood, lesbian gender has kind of taken on its own thing since we just... are never in relationships with men, ever, which muddles the whole thing up. (also, womanhood is often a generally uncomfortable and muddled thing because of, you know, misogyny, so there’s that.) thus, a lot of lesbians feel disconnected from “womanhood” as an idea.
a lot of people like to protest nonbinary lesbians by saying “but a lesbian is a GIRL who likes GIRLS!!!1!!” yes. we... we know. the thing is, though, that if any nonbinary person identifies as a lesbian, they are probably close enough to womanhood to count as a wlw! the term “lesbian” automatically brings “women who love women” to people’s minds. if a nonbinary person is uncomfortable associating with womanhood at all, literally why would they use that term. it stands to reason that the people who DO use that term feel at least a tangential connection there.
a lot of lesbians define their gender solely as “lesbian.” in my own experience, the ONLY connection i feel toward womanhood is liking girls in a gay way. the attraction i feel toward women is gay attraction - i am attracted to women who like women. i do not want to date a straight woman who sees me as a man. if i didn’t like women, i wouldn’t have this connection & would probably identify otherwise - but i do like women & as it is that’s pretty much... what my gender is. (this is why people may say their gender is “butch” or “femme” -- it’s the same idea of a gender defined by attraction & the way you relate to women!)
for some people, nonbinary does mean totally genderless. for others, it just means anything that isn’t strictly binary. hence why some lesbians may consider themselves nonbinary - not entirely woman, but woman enough to be a lesbian. an example in layman’s terms: you know how “berry” lacroix tastes like it maybe saw a berry, once, from a distance? my gender is lacroix and the flavor is woman.
4: lesbians can thus use whatever pronouns they want.
i think this one is like... a geometry proof. #2 (nonbinary people can use any pronouns) + #3 (lesbians can be nonbinary) makes this one pretty simple. while the rest of this post will be about he/him lesbians, because that’s what i see the most “discourse” about, lesbians can use she/her or they/them or he/him or it/its or xe/xem or Any Other Pronouns They Want. Any.
5: “but why would a lesbian ever want to use he/him pronouns?”
people who ask this are usually asking one of these more specific questions:
“but if you use he/him, aren’t you a man?” see #1.
“but why would lesbians want to use masculine pronouns when lesbianism is about women?” i don’t know. why do butch lesbians dress masculinely? why do they often use masculine names or nicknames? it’s about the deliberate gender nonconformity, something that has been central to lesbian communities for literal decades. pronouns are another form of presentation (see #1); using pronouns other than she/her is another form of nonconformity.
“masculine clothing and names i get -- but why pronouns? that feels a little much.” i do get this! i used to feel the same way! but the criteria for being a lesbian is like... 1) not a man 2) a woman or at least sort of connected to being a woman (see #3) (yes, this includes trans lesbians, who are not men) 3) attracted to women and not men. that’s the criteria. that’s all.
& i would like to think that some of you have the best intentions. but i would really, really caution you away from trying to disqualify people from iding as lesbians because of the pronouns they use. saying “well, clearly lesbians can wear masculine clothes and have masculine names, but the pronouns are a step too far” doesn’t make any sense -- where do you draw the line? at what point are you trying to define when someone is “too masculine to be a lesbian?” and why do you feel the need to do that?
this goes double for nonlesbians. i’ll repeat: really, honestly ask yourself why you feel the need to do that.
(note: butch lesbians aren’t the only lesbians who are gender nonconforming and they aren’t the only ones who use he/him pronouns! but i’ve found this is very common among butches, more so than other lesbians, + it’s another space where i can speak from personal experience.)
6: “wait but this feels kind of TERFy. are you saying trans men can be lesbians?”
oh no. oh god no. lesbians = not men. trans men = men. (& trans women = trans women, & TERFS can choke.)
i think there is a misconception among some trans men (especially transmedicalists) that he/him lesbians are trying to tell trans men they aren’t “real men” & thus undermining their identities. the idea is that we’re saying, “hey, look, lesbians can use whatever pronouns we want! thus, you don’t need to transition :) you can use he pronouns and still be a gay woman :)” to which the obvious response is “i’m not a woman and this is transphobic.”
but i... honestly truly have never seen a he/him lesbian say that. we aren’t the same! even if we use the same pronouns, even if we may take some of the same steps to feel gender euphoria (ex. wearing more masculine clothing, binding/going on T for afab lesbians), we are not the same! trans men = men. men cannot be lesbians. he/him lesbians = people who are not men, but have a complicated relationship to womanhood. thus:
he/him lesbians =/= trans men.
there is no correlation.
(note: i lied. there is one correlation. the correlation is friends and allies. trans men i’m on your team and i hope you’re having a good day. my right to exist is not mutually exclusive with yours; we’re fighting similar battles.)
7. “okay, i guess, but i still don’t really get it?”
that’s okay!! gender is confusing as shit (plus this was a long & slightly repetitive post, because i wanted to make sure i covered all my bases). here are some things you can do if you still don’t understand:
a) talk to more he/him lesbians! maybe my explanation doesn’t really do it for you, but someone else’s will! (if you’re interested in lesbian history, i can recommend stone butch blues, which can be downloaded as a PDF from leslie feinberg’s website. the main character’s relationship to gender isn’t quite the same as the one explained in this post -- jess has to use he/him & pass as male to stay safe -- but it’s still a good read that gets into the complexity of lesbian gender. the lesbian mc participates in butch/femme culture, gets top surgery, & later has a relationship with a trans woman -- so, basically, corroborating what i’ve said about how lesbians can do all of these things & still be lesbians.)
b) if you don’t have the time/energy/desire to talk to more he/him lesbians, that’s fine! just respect us. respect our pronouns. don’t misgender us; don’t call us men or say we aren’t lesbians. you don’t have to get it to accept us.
c) here’s a secret. if you still don’t understand, but you are no longer seeking help understanding & you’ve decided to just vibe and respect us without totally Getting It - that is totally fine. you don’t need to tell us this :) saying “hey, i don’t really get it, could you help?” is one thing. saying “hey, i still don’t get it. not asking for help, just letting you know” is uh. is like. um. okay thanks for informing me?? i guess ??
i understand that not everyone will Get It. but if you’re using my pronouns & respecting my identity, i do not need to hear that you don’t actually get it because my gender is super complicated. it is a little, er, how you say, impolite. (again - not the same as asking for help! i’m totally open to answer any questions anyone has.)
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source: i am a he/him lesbian.
you are allowed & politely encouraged to reblog this post.
if anyone would like to add to this post -- particularly other lesbians and/or trans women (as i’m tme and don’t want to overstep) -- feel free!
if anyone would like to ask me to elaborate on something, feel free to ask in the reblogs, replies, or in my inbox/dms!
if anyone would like to clown on this post and say some lesbophobic or transphobic bullshit without reading what i wrote, please block me, log off, & go trip over something <3
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Since the very conception of the motion picture, the LGBT community have been represented on-screen in some form. An early example is Algie the Miner (1912), a short silent film which follows the effeminate Algie (Billy Quirk), who enjoys kissing cowboys. In order to marry someone’s daughter, he heads west to prove that he’s a man. While this is quite an outdated stereotype of being gay, the portrayals have varied greatly over time. Only recently is LGBT representation becoming more positive and common. However, when it comes to portraying bisexuality on-screen, it still seems to be a difficult task.
Many narrative tropes have been birthed through filmmakers trying to show sexuality on-screen and most of them contribute directly to the overall erasure of bisexuality in cinema – usually with ambiguous portrayals, negative stereotyping and characters needing to pick a side. Not all instances are problematic, but their prevalence isn’t helping to combat the stigma that bisexual people face. There are three main tropes when it comes to depicting bisexuality, which is infidelity, picking a side, and the horrible husband. They’re usually found together in a common narrative that erases bisexuality, whether intentional or not.
Infidelity
There’s a long-standing stereotype that bisexual people are more likely to cheat on their partners and are incapable of commitment. This is a trope that is heavily carried in some of the most well-known depictions of bisexuality. Typically, a female protagonist is engaged or married to a man, but she meets a lesbian woman and they become involved sexually and romantically, leaving the protagonist torn between two lovers. This happens in Imagine Me & You (2005) when Rachel (Piper Perabo) falls in love with lesbian flower shop owner Luce (Lena Headey), who provided the flowers for her wedding to Hector (Matthew Goode). It’s a fairly average film that could’ve been amazing had it acknowledged Rachel’s bisexuality, but it’s still one of the better ones considering Perabo and Headey have amazing chemistry.
For some reason, bisexual characters are often in serious relationships when they’re suddenly sexually awakened. This happened to Rachel right after her wedding because she happened to meet the right woman. While this type of experience does happen in real life, it’s always the go-to narrative for films about women realizing they’re not one-hundred-percent straight. In these instances, the same-sex love affair acts as the conflict within the narrative – this can create good drama when done right, but it gets boring and bisexual characters deserve better than constantly being portrayed as cheaters. People are not more promiscuous or likely to cheat on their partners because of their sexuality, but these tropes are constantly telling people otherwise.
We deserve to see bisexual characters whose sexuality isn’t the main narrative focus or who at least explore their sexuality outside of a relationship. Appropriate Behaviour (2014) is a good example of this as Shirin (Desiree Akhavan, who is also the film’s writer and director) is a bisexual Persian American woman who is keeping her sexuality a secret from her judgemental family, while also attempting to rebuild her life after breaking up with her girlfriend. Seeing bisexuality portrayed on-screen is another place where people pick up more stigma or acceptance, and with bisexuality it, unfortunately, seems to be the former. This is why bisexual filmmakers like Akhavan are better suited to portraying the experiences of bisexual men and women than others.
Picking A Side
When the protagonist is in conflict with her sexuality, the people around her usually wonder if she’s a lesbian now – despite them being engaged or married to a man. This can be seen in Below Her Mouth (2010) where Jasmine (Natalie Krill) begins having an affair with Dallas (Erika Linder). When her husband finds out, he tells her “You’re a lesbian” but she tells him that she loves him and nothing has changed between them. It seems impossible to grasp that a person could be attracted to both men and women. Bisexuality is erased.
Some films insinuate that the protagonist isn’t necessarily bisexual or even a lesbian, it’s just that they’re attracted to this one woman only and no others – they’re an exception! This is the kind of impression you get from Below Her Mouth, but also from other films such as Imagine Me & You and Elena Undone (2010), which isn’t particularly helpful for lesbian representation either. In Imagine Me & You, Rachel tells Hector “You are my best friend. That was enough before, and it will be enough again.” This implies that Rachel was never truly attracted to him in a romantic sense, thus implying that she’s a lesbian. While this could be a case of compulsory heteronormativity, it seems problematic as it’s never discussed or explained. Avoiding discussions about sexuality – as most of these films do – are what contribute to this trope massively and result in misinterpretation and erasure.
Films as new as Netflix’s Alex Strangelove (2018) also feed into the idea that bisexuality is a stepping stone to picking a side. Alex (Daniel Doheny) prepares to lose his virginity to his girlfriend but finds his plans derailed when he’s attracted to another boy. He spends most of the film questioning his sexuality and at one point thinks he’s bisexual. The film does highlight biphobia which brings attention to this problem, so it’s disheartening at the end when Alex realizes he is gay and not bisexual after all. The set up for Alex Strangelove was perfect for a bisexual love story and, while it’s still positive LGBT representation, it’s a shame it didn’t stick with that. It’s even rarer to see bisexual men portrayed on-screen, so it would’ve been really rewarding.
It’s important to acknowledge that bisexuality is a comfortable place for some people to be while they’re trying to accept that they are gay – and there’s nothing wrong with that. However, there still seems to be some widespread discomfort when it comes to sexuality being fluid. For bisexual people, there isn’t any side to pick – they’re not torn between polar opposites, nor are they confused. They aren’t on the fence, they’re on both sides of the fence. Nevertheless, films continue to portray bisexuality as a personal conflict that needs resolving, and it does this by putting bisexual characters in a situation where they’re having affairs. This makes their sexuality the narrative conflict, which is wholly problematic in itself.
The Horrible Husband
The protagonist’s fiancé or husband is usually abusive or passive in the relationship, and thus portrayed as the antagonist. She is then drawn to a lesbian woman who treats her so much better and gives her the attention she deserves. Sometimes it’s as though these films are saying that lesbianism is the cure for a dissatisfying heterosexual relationship. This contributes to bisexual erasure by suggesting that bisexual women can only be happy with women and never with a man because they’re horrible or not good enough. It also perpetuates the idea of picking a side – almost telling bisexuals that they should just be lesbians instead.
This trope is found in films like Elena Undone, where Elena (Necar Zadegan) meets Peyton (Traci Dinwiddie) who is a famous lesbian writer. Elena’s husband Barry (Gary Weeks), however, is a homophobic pastor. Elena Undone is actually loosely based on director Nicole Conn’s real-life romance with Marina Rice Bader, but the film itself isn’t great. It’s also shown in The World Unseen (2007) as Miriam (Lisa Ray) quietly follows the customs of 1950s South Africa, alongside dealing with her abusive husband Omar (Parvin Dabas). Miriam becomes empowered to change her circumstances when she meets and falls in love with free-spirited cafe owner Amina (Sheetal Sheth).
A much better film that deals with this trope is Bound (1996). Lesbian ex-con Corky (Gina Gershon) arrives at an apartment building to start work as a painter and plumber. She soon finds herself being seduced by Violet (Jennifer Tilly) who lives next door with her boyfriend Caesar (Joe Pantoliano). Violet explains that they’ve been together for five years and he’s a money launderer for the mafia. She wants to escape and make a new life for herself, so she and Corky plan to steal $2 million of Mafia money and blame it on Caesar. The horrible husband trope actually works well in this film because the women plan to screw Caesar over and it doesn’t use Violet’s infidelity as the main narrative conflict – it’s a lot more original, which isn’t surprising as the first directorial feature film from the Wachowski Sisters. Bound would’ve been much less effective if Caesar was just a regular guy who Violet hated, but she has a better motive with the drama surrounding his violent mafia connections.
These three tropes are collectively the entire plot of Imagine Me & You, Elena Undone, The World Unseen, I Can’t Think Straight (2008), Kiss Me (2011) and more. It’s a shame that there isn’t always a huge focus on the actual relationship between the two women in these films. It’s more about them hiding their relationship and because they officially get together at the end, we never get to see much of what their life is like as a couple. They all feature very similar themes, meaning that when it comes to telling the stories of bisexual characters, the narrative is rarely diverse. Romantic comedies in general always follow the same beats which is fine, but these tropes for bisexual characters either erase their sexuality and/or display it as a problem.
These tropes can still work well (like with Bound) depending on certain aspects of the narrative. Infidelity works well in Carol (2015) due to the 1950s setting. Carol (Cate Blanchett), who is in the process of divorcing her horrible husband, and Therese (Rooney Mara) have to hide their relationship due to homosexuality not being accepted during this time. This adds an extra layer to the narrative, giving actual depth to why things are happening the way that they are. There’s also Disobedience (2017) where it works well due to the Orthodox Jewish culture. Ronit (Rachel Weisz), who is considered bisexual, returns to the community for her father’s funeral to find her childhood friend Esti (Rachel McAdams) married to a man. Esti describes herself as a lesbian woman in a relationship with a man, which is disheartening but works in the film’s world. Disobedience also plays through the infidelity trope very differently to other films, allowing it to be more effective.
The Erasure
In films with bisexual characters, it’s rare that the word “bisexual” actually comes up. It’s mostly ambiguous, implied or erased completely by the protagonist seemingly picking a side. It’s constantly reinforced by narrative tropes that are set up for dramatic entertainment, with no real intention of representing sexuality with genuine care. Erasure also happens due to words like “gay” being used as an umbrella term when referring back to certain films. Brokeback Mountain (2005) and Call Me By Your Name (2017), for example, are often referred to as gay films on social media due to the gay relationships portrayed, However, the characters are portrayed to be sexually fluid/bisexual due to the nature of their relationships with women. It also happens with films like Blue Is the Warmest Colour (2014) which is always painted as a lesbian love story when Adèle (Adèle Exarchopoulos) is clearly bisexual. It’s not necessarily bad to use gay and lesbian as umbrella terms, but it, unfortunately, does contribute to bisexual erasure. We should be bringing more attention to bisexuality on-screen and pointing it out specifically when we see it.
One of the biggest erasures is the portrayal of bisexual men. They appear much less frequently than bisexual women. The most recent example that comes to mind is Jake Gyllenhaal’s character in Velvet Buzzsaw (2019), but the word bisexual was never used and he was portrayed as being promiscuous, which fits into the negative stereotype (although the film is satire so perhaps it can be excused). Some better, or at least more interesting, depictions of bisexual men are still out there and can be found in films such as Velvet Goldmine (1998), Kaboom (2010), The Comedian (2012), The Lobster (2015) and Moonlight (2016).
If anything, bisexual characters are usually left out of the bury your gays/dead lesbian syndrome trope. It’s very common both in film and television for gay men and lesbian women to be killed off in some dramatic way, such as in Brokeback Mountain, The Fox (1967), Les Biches (1968), Lost and Delirious (2001) and A Single Man (2009). Bisexual women have been killed off quite a bit in television – like Marissa Cooper (Mischa Barton) in The O.C. – but they’re relatively safe in film and hopefully, it’ll stay that way.
Acknowledging Bisexuality
It is disheartening that bisexual representation on-screen isn’t as good or as frequent as gay and lesbian representation. We’re also at a time where it could be massively improved, but now we face the barrier of “queer” as another umbrella term. It’s wholly unhelpful when not everyone identifies with it and when we want bisexual characters to say the word bisexual on-screen. We want to be acknowledged. Bisexual actress Stephanie Beatriz made sure her bisexual character in Brooklyn Nine-Nine got to say it earlier this year, because that word means something to certain people and the impact is great. Hopefully this will start to happen more in film going forward.
There are definitely films out there where the word bisexual is actually said, like in Appropriate Behaviour, Kiss Me, Velvet Goldmine and Margarita with a Straw (2014). It’s rare that we hear it so when we do it’s pretty exciting. In addition to these, other films that feature positive and/or complex portrayals of bisexual characters in general (and not the previously discussed tropes) are: Cabaret (1972), Chasing Amy (1997), Black Swan (2010), Atomic Blonde (2017) and Tully (2018).
There have been many positive and negative depictions of bisexuality, but the majority of them aren’t great or feed into the biphobia and the erasure of the identity. Filmmakers need to do better when it comes to portraying bisexual characters and their stories. It’s always helpful when bisexual people themselves get a voice, whether as writers, directors or actors. For some reason, although there are exceptions, most straight male and lesbian filmmakers have trouble portraying bisexuality both positively and accurately. They essentially give the message that bisexuality doesn’t exist or is an inner conflict that needs to be resolved. We must do better because one day someone will be watching a film where a character says “bisexual” and their life will suddenly fall into place.
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Why do I ship SNS?
It is a known fact that when people experience a good media, they like to discuss various things they liked, hated, interpret what the creator trying to say and get something from what they have consumed. Eventually people end up in a shipping war if there are multiple possibilities. 
I started watching Naruto on a whim, hoping to see some ninjas in action with some revenge as a background (after all when you have power, there will always be a revenge). Am a sucker for revenge, btw. I am a person who hates romance in media. Because, every movie, book, novel, series has this same recycled romance plastered into every story even though the story don’t need at all. So, I am very tired of it. Every media portrays romance as something inevitable, necessary and something we can’t live without. That’s wrong. 
Usually, romance goes like this... Person A sees Person B... they hate each other and add some possessiveness, jealousy... they magically gets attracted through some shared experiences eventually... they kiss and make babies. There’s nothing wrong with this. It’s just very tiring as I’ve seen million forms of this same repeated trope. I always cringe and yell “Can you give us something different? Grrr.....”.
And also, my motto is that love can happen with any person. It can’t be restrained into certain boundaries. So, I don’t like to put some relationship under an umbrella called Gay, Lesbian, Straight or whatever. Of course, illicit relationships and incest are not normal and am not okay with it.
With all that being said...
My experience after watching the Shippuden series until episode 478 was “Wait, do they love each other?”. I know am very late to realize this, but I have never even viewed them with any romantic lens throughout. 
On my first watch, I was always under the impression that “They are friends”... But there are certain moments I felt “Wait, why are they doing like this which could’ve been handled in a different way!!” I will get to this later in this post. But those moments were overlooked by me because of my curiosity of “What happens next ??”. 
And on my rewatch, it only confirmed my view. 
The other popular ships like SS and NH put forth many points to invalidate what SNS represents. The most common being “They are reincarnated brothers” or  “They are best friends”. Am just going to debunk them from my point of view. 
Naruto and Sasuke are like brothers.....
Nope. 
The best brotherhood title, in this series, should officially go to Itachi and Sasuke. 
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You can argue as much as you want that Itachi mindfucked Sasuke and killed his parents....yaada yaada.... 
It is repeatedly shown why Itachi put a curtain on his own clan. The reason is, Uchiha clan decided to forcefully take over the village. No matter how much innocent you are, you cannot take over something with force. Dot. I will write about this in a separate post.
In short, Sasuke realised how his clan members were wrong after hearing the story from the First Hokage, Hashirama Senju. That’s why he openly proclaimed “I am going to protect Konoha and become Hokage”. 
Back to the topic, Itachi and Sasuke are blood brothers. If I ship them both, then what you claim is very valid. 
The above gif says, “Sasuke, I know, I made a mistake by filling you with hatred. But whatever you decide to do from now on, I will love you always”. Meaning, He stopped treating Sasuke as a kid and accepts that Sasuke has his own path to walk.
This is exactly how brothers behave. I would do the same to my kid sister. You can see a fraternal instinct from Itachi’s eyes realizing that this is their last time together.
Another thing, Brothers trope always has this hierarchy.... Protect the younger sibling no matter what. It is evident from Madara/Izuna and Hashirama/Tobirama.
Not convinced?
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If you pull the Indra and Ashura bullshit, let me tell you one thing. Indra and Ashura were separated and formed their own clan long ago. They eventually branched off into Uchiha and Senju clans. No way you can relate a century old blood relation as brothers. It’s just their chakra got reincarnated over and over. 
Don’t pull up an incest angle between Naruto and Sasuke. Because they never shared a womb. Dot. 
Naruto and Sasuke are Best Friends only.
You know what, you are almost right. I thought that for a very long time. Remember I never wore any shipping goggles ON. 
There are two types of best friend categories. Best Friends without a reason and Best Friends through rivalry. 
Best Friends without a reason in Narutoverse are: Shikamaru/Choji. 
They just became friends and became BFF. They won’t fight or hurt each other. But when you have something to share...you would go to that person and share everything honestly.
Best Friends through Rivalry: Kakashi/Obito, Hashirama/Madara, Naruto/Sasuke
I really cannot provide more proof for the first two pairings as Best Friends as it is not the scope of this post. Although the latter two also qualifies for shipping category. Why?
Because, the common thing among them is that all the three Uchihas awakened/reawakened their Sharingan for their best friend. But Hashirama/Madara and Naruto/Sasuke are the only pairings to awaken or evolve Sharingan when trying to break their bonds with each other. 
Special Brownie points for Madara. He had 4 brothers and lost 3 but still couldn’t awaken his Sharingan but when trying to break up with Hashirama, his eyes were brimming red. 
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Sasuke’s Sharingan matures in the first Valley of The End.
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That’s why I excluded Hashirama/Madara and Naruto/Sasuke from this Best Friends list.
Because to the both Uchihas, the other person meant something special which cannot be comprehended into a mere term called ‘Best Friends’.
Which is exactly why Kakashi/Obito would perfectly fall into this category.
The way they quarrel, fight with each other, protect each other are perfect scores for a friendship. What makes them best friends is when Obito decided to give his Sharingan despite Kakashi was always putting a cold air around him and most importantly asked him to protect his love ‘Rin’. Also Kakashi carried his friend’s will to his heart and passed on to Team 7.
It all falls under ‘In the memory of my Best Friend’ trope.
Obito may be a trash but he is a good friend. Because after Rin was killed, he massacred everyone around him except for Kakashi. He could have killed him. Understandable. Or he could have plucked his Sharingan back (because he literally plucked most of the Sharingans from the Uchiha clan massacre and kept those eyes as a reserve). This could have enabled him to use Susanoo. I believe Susanoo can only be used with Mangekyo Sharingan in both eyes. But for some reason, he didn’t. 
So what makes me think Naruto and Sasuke love each other, not as a brother and not as a friend but something beyond which I can’t term?
My way of shipping is not about marriage, sex and rearing babies. Because literally everyone does this as an obligation. 
So, I don’t ship them in terms of living together in my headcanon and having sex daily. Nope. But it is not wrong though if you ship in that sense.
In this Narutoverse, Women are just some stow away pieces whose sole existence is to fawn over their dreamboy and cry for them. (Usually literally nothing useful comes out of them). Me being a girl, as much as I hate this setup but I have come to terms with whatever it is and have accepted it. If you are a girl looking for a strong female character...... this is not the place. Watch something else. 
But I draw inspiration from male characters who are characterized deeply for which I have to applaud the creator. Reason being, the very first character which I connected with was Itachi. It was when Sasuke thinks about his past with his family in the flashback before the first VotE battle in part I. I will be writing a separate post about Itachi in this week. 
In short, If you are a person who wants inspiration, draw it from male characters. Not in a single moment, you stoop so low for characters like Hinata and Sakura. That’s not how I envision myself or any woman. Dot.
With all this being said, I ship them as a couple who necessarily don’t have to get married or have sex... But they each other has some special allowance towards each other in their hearts which no one can touch, not even their wives or children. 
This doesn’t mean I accept what came after episode 478 as they are literally something they made for $$$$$. 
There are some basic traits which are absolutely necessary for a ship to sail successfully. They are Acknowledgement, Reason, No Hierarchy, Influence, Owning each others rights and Privilege. (All these reasons should come from both the sides for the ship to be worthy)
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
Acknowledgement, I mean here, is to accept and acknowledge what they are to each other.
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They both agree that they are Bonded/Friends verbally as well as emotionally.
To me, this is essential in any relationship especially for the ones you are trying to ship. I didn’t see this in any other ships like SS or NH where it is always one sided. Sakura confessed before the village entrance to which Sasuke said “You really are annoying!!”. Hinata proposed in Pain arc. Naruto didn’t even acknowledge her confession. He went on to beg for pardon for Sasuke. Again she proposed in the War at the expense of Love Cupid “Neji”. Naruto went on to joke with Minato that Sakura is his Girl Friend. 
If I were in both of these girls place, I would literally be mad and drop this shit right away.
Wheras in SNS, I saw both the people I am trying to ship were asking “What am I to you?”, to which they reply “You are my friend”. To me this is very important.
Reason
To those who are saying “Love is blind”, “Love is Madness”, “Love needs no reason”, you all need self-evaluation. This is not some K Drama situation where you don’t need any reason. You should know why you love someone and why you need the other’s presence.
Naruto’s reason is very simple.
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I could provide many reasons. But here, Sasuke, without any reservations... knowing full well of the consequence if he feed Naruto but still extended the helping hand to someone who was always hostile. It is just like what Iruka did. And many incidents which happened during Land of the Waves arc are evident.
He wanted to be friends with this lonely Uchiha boy way back when he was around 7 or 8 for a simple reason that he understands his pain more than anyone. But he really became friends when they were grouped together for Team 7.  
Sasuke’s reason goes even way beyond when Naruto series started.
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“Because he felt relief”.
Imagine a young boy who witnessed a massacre before his eyes and lost everyone he loved. But somehow another young boy of his age made him feel relieved. This explains why Sasuke went all out of his way to make friendship with Naruto despite being aloof. 
Isn’t this what we want from someone we love?  
Rather than being completely insensitive about an orphan life or just stalking from the distance and never offered any support, I would prefer someone who understands my pain from their heart and try to reach me. Sasuke reached out to him by offering the lunch and Naruto reached out to him by making him his rival and bug him.
NO HIERARCHY
This is pretty self-explanatory. Unlike blood brothers, there should be no hierarchy in a relationship I want to ship. 
We saw Naruto yells at Sasuke many times absolutely for no reason, despite Sasuke bearing this cold attitude. Probably he is the only person who can call him by such variety of names. 
Sasuke always calls him by his trademark ‘Usuratonkachi’. Sometimes he calls him fool just like everyone. But was never insulting or mean towards Naruto. Except for that time in the final battle, he made fun of his Shadow Clone jutsu citing his loneliness. 
In short, be it a physical fight or verbal offense.... neither of them wilts like a flower. They equally give back. 
The only other person who can verbally assault Sasuke is Karin and probably the only girl who never addresses him as “Sasuke-Kun”. 
U-SU-RA-TON-KA-CHI..... Why do Sasuke spend such an effort to call someone with a 6 syllabic word, instead NA-RU-TO, a 3 syllabic word which is way more convenient to call?? I always wonder.
POSITIVE INFLUENCE
I don’t have to spell out anything here. There are many obvious examples but will try to keep it short. 
Naruto became strong because of Sasuke. He trained hard for 3 years with Jiraiya , a month with Kakashi developing Rasen Shuriken and controlled Kurama’s power with Killer Bee. Except for Sage Mode jutsu everything he learnt was all for bringing Sasuke back. 
In short, Sasuke is Naruto’s predominant strength. 
Though Naruto was not the source of strength for Sasuke, but he brings out many vibrant emotions in Sasuke which he really needed for his traumatic mind otherwise he would always be that cold angry brooding doll without any emotions and I am sure Sasuke enjoys to banter with Naruto.
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LOL!!! I don’t know why Sasuke feels competitve here. It’s pretty childish even for Sasuke.
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Friendly tease :-) I think he also protected Sakura in this scene. He can also ask her the same, isn’t it? I mean as a friend. 
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The best one is yet to come
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It’s incredibly hilarious to see how Sasuke pouts when he was with Naruto. Sakura!!!! You third wheeling joker :-D :-D
Throughout Shippuden, Sasuke never shows his emotions with anyone. He either looks very cold or angry.
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Reminiscing his Team 7 days, for a split second. 
Probably the only positive emotion is this, in all of the Shippuden. I mean not counting Episode 478.
I don’t think Sakura brought any kind emotions in Sasuke except annoyance when they were together in Team 7. Or Hinata too. These girls just moan “Sasuke-Kun”, “Naruto-Kun” but brings nothing to the table. Total wastrels!!!!!
OWNING EACH OTHER’S RIGHTS
This section is exactly where SNS moves on to a whole different level.
Sasuke wanted to inflict his pain over everyone who lives in peaceful Konoha for what it did to Itachi. (though I don’t really accept with Sasuke here since he never even bothered to question about his clan’s history, but what he was doing is understandable. Just like Naruto tells him).
But the context here is Sasuke is on a murder rampage. Starting from the Kage Summit, killing Danzo, unnecessarily hurting Karin and almost reached a point where he could not be stopped anymore. Then Ms.Annoying appears. She literally have no fucking clue what Sasuke is going through. So started to spout nonsense that she wanted to go with Sasuke-Kun with an ulterior motive to kill him without a strong resolve. 
The interesting SS dynamics here is Sasuke asks Sakura “Do you know what I want?” and to which she gives a carefree-shitty-pathetic answer “I don’t care. I will do whatever you want”. Geez!!!
If I were Sasuke, I would think, “This person standing before me don’t even care about what I want but coming with an intent to kill me and not only that... she is a kunoichi from Konoha where I planned to inflict my pain by slaughtering them.. I better ram my Chidori and be done with it”... He doesn’t see her as his former Teammate. He just want to kill that person.
However, Kakashi deflects the attack and saves Ms.Useless. 
( Me : I am a Sasuke fan through and through. But, Sakura..... You always says you will do this, do that.... But you never succeed at anything... Why is that? Why are you even continue being a ninja? No one asked you to kill Sasuke, you decided to. But why don’t you kill him. Probably you would’ve earned my begrudging respect... Pffft” ****sighs with a heavy second hand embarassment)
Anyways, Sasuke becomes an unstoppable maniac at this point because he was very irritated on seeing Kakashi and Sakura spouting some unreachable nonsense. So he started to attack Kakashi as he is even more irritated on seeing his Sharingan.
Again, Ms.Idiot wants to kill Sasuke when he is at his weakest point due to chakra exhaustion and that too from behind his back. (You!!! Gutless wrench). Sasuke sensed this and attempted to kill her again... (Naruto!!! You idiot. Why did you save her...)
However, Naruto appears and saves her. Naruto and Sasuke’s eyes meet each other.
But somehow Sasuke calmed down and hears out Naruto for what he has to say. He says, “Whatever you are doing until now, it’s understandable”. 
Kakashi wanted to kill him and Sasuke got riled up and prepare his Chidori. Anyways, Naruto intervenes and they go to some meta physical plane and talks privately. And Naruto comes up with his idea and announces as below:
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Me: Naruto!!!! Sweety..... Do you realize that you have a big dream of becoming a Hokage which you have been shouting from Day 1? But still you want to overthrow everything for that one person who is in unbearable pain. It’s alright. But you don’t want to go alone or send him alone. No Best friend would go this far. And to those Sakura shippers.... Why didn’t Sakura try to bear the burden? Why didn’t she come up with this Idea? Afterall, you spout nonsense like ‘Sakura saved Sasuke from Darkness, isn’t it?’ And, Naruto.... Who gave you the right to take his hatred and shoulder the burden? And what makes you think you are that only person to do it??? Sasuke, might have other special person in those 3 years. How can you decide on Sasuke’s behalf??? Aren’t you going overboard ?
The answer to all the above is simple, Naruto can risk anything for Sasuke. And he clearly knew that Sasuke’s only living bond is him.
And what happened next was almost unbelievable and for the first time I thought ‘What is it with these two guys?’. 
Sasuke agrees with Naruto’s proposition to not destroy Konoha before fighting with Naruto. 
Me: Sasuke!!!! You have every right to reject his proposition. Since, he was not in your life for the past 3 years, your side of bond with Naruto should have been cut-off long back, right? Sasuke??? Well, at this point he was just your former Team 7 member. You don’t need to honor your proposition. You can attack Konoha anytime. Why did you accept?
Also Me: Sweety!!! Why do you always question Naruto ‘Who am I to you’? Why do you need his opinion always? There is an annoying princess standing behind Naruto vying for your attention. And yet you didn’t even ask her this question at any time. But before Naruto, you completely calmed down from your rampage and willing to wait for what he has to say plus asking for his validation. After all you don’t care about anything, why just Naruto???
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And the reason being, Naruto is still his closest bond which he couldn’t cut off despite trying very hard. After all, Many years ago, Sasuke was the one, who readily jumped in to protect Naruto knowing full well that it’s a trap. He was ready to throw away his revenge for this boy back then. Sasuke is afraid that he will give in to this bond once more and Naruto is his weakness which he wants to eliminate so badly.
This is definitely not any Best Friend would do..... Fix that in your mind.
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The purpose of these GIFs is not show how protective Sasuke is..... Well, I can talk about it all day. Let’s save it.
Me: Yo!!!! Sasuke..... You wanted to kill Naruto.... You said so yourself under the bridge. Meaning, He is the only person standing between your goal and your resolve and Naruto is always known to weaken your resolve. And yet why are you protecting him here? There is absolutely no need. Because, if there is a situation like Kaguya where both of you are must needed to save this world , then there is a reason to save him. But why now? Plus do you know, if Naruto dies, then Madara’s plan may not succeed because if a Jinchuriki dies, tailed beast also dies. It is perfect for your Revolution, isn’t it? Who gave you the right to own his life? Obito has his reason to kill Naruto, why not let him?Why is it that you want to personally remove him from your life? If he is dead by an external factor, you can carry on your path without any interference and pain. Why go so far to protect him ?
The answer is Sasuke values Naruto’s life more than his own even during his Team 7 days. He has this high esteem for Naruto and almost consider it to be a shame if some worthless fool takes his life. And Sasuke never hated Naruto. He once hated Itachi and his resolve to kill was real and intense. But when Orochimaru asked him to kill 1000 people for practice, Sasuke never killed anyone. He even implemented no kill policy for his team “Hebi”. So, someone like Sasuke who never liked to kill random innocent people, how could he let some trash take away a life, he considers dearly to the same level of Itachi? That’s why in this situation, his body moved on his own to protect something special for him. He may not agree it, but he always shows it.
But some other ship wankers try to say Sasuke may have said “You are annoying” but inside he deeply loved her which is why he was smiling. If so, Why didn’t Sasuke never showed his care not even once? He not only tried to kill her twice when she was defenseless but also let her die twice or didn’t bother at all during the war. Or show me where these soul level connection happened between SS or NH
In short, Sasuke and Naruto own each other’s rights unconsciously. Because they are the only ones who can understand each other’s soul which nobody can reach.
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Me: Oh, by the way Sasuke, I think Susanoo should be used like this. You really don’t need your hand to protect Naruto. Susanoo can do it’s work for you. Minato would be proud though!!!!
PRIVILEGE
Most of the points I written above are in and of itself is a privilege they give for each other and not for anyone else. Privilege is essential in a ship. Because it shows how different a loved one is from normal people. 
For Naruto, 
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I originally want to put how he begs for forgiveness on Sasuke’s behalf before Raikage and weeps immeasurably before hyperventilating. But this one trumps the other. Naruto literally broadcasted everyone how important Sasuke is to him and how he regretted not offering his friendship at that time and how he couldn’t stop Sasuke from reaching Orochimaru. 
If you want to inspire Alliance shinobi forces, you should have shown how you worked so hard from the bottom to top. Projecting Sasuke as your regret and inspiring people shows how deeply you prioritize this person which affects you after so many years and hence, you don’t want any more regrets. 
It’s very unconventionally romantic which passes the shipping category in flying colours. 
For Sasuke,
The following is the Land of the waves arc which was novelized in the name of Innocent Heart, Demonic Blood released in 2006. 99.9% of the material is exactly as it happens in Manga/Anime. 
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This is the privilege Sasuke provides for Naruto. “ But coming from Sasuke, It almost counted as a hug”... 
BROWNIE POINTS:
Now, the following are the scenes which add a mysterious flavour to this ship. I sincerely don’t understand why Kishimoto put this. I mean I am absolutely happy with it, but why? What was he thinking while drawing these scenes? 
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It’s also strange that, whenever they clash a Chidori with Rasengan..... They always gets repelled to their own sides and fall with a loud thump. But Naruto’s posture looks very perfect, I mean it looks like someone carried him and laid him down. Anyways, What’s Sasuke doing on Naruto’s side?? He should have fell on the opposite side. Why didn’t he walk away? There is absolutely no reason for Sasuke to come over to Naruto’s side and have an intense meaningful gaze. 
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This is another mysterious plus intense scene. I am still wondering, Is this really Sasuke? He is a person who avoids casual touches with anyone other than his brother. I’ve seen so many times Sasuke rejecting hugs from Sakura. I can’t even imagine what Kishimoto was thinking. 
If you people pass these scenes off as Brotherhood or Best Friend chemistry... Then you lack basic human emotions. That’s all. 
Me: Well, Sasuke, If you really want to kill him, you should have shovelled your sword right through Naruto’s vital point when you made that exuberant landing. There is literally no need for you to draw a long sword in close quarters. And what about the Personal Space??? With your speed, you can land without leaning on Naruto’s shoulders... 
Also Me: Yo, Naruto... You were panicking when Sai does the same....but you don’t even flinch when Sasuke invades your personal space????
Anyways, it’s funny that both the intense scenes I have mentioned here were initiated by Sasuke. Quite strange and thrilling.
So, to conclude.... All these scenes I have mentioned  made me unconsciously ship them as a pair. With all these being said, I believe all the ingredients for a good romance were laid perfectly. A moment of impulsive tension or affection, say a hug, between them after a difficult battle could mess with both and make a romance happen. And I don’t think either of them will deny especially Sasuke. 
I don’t see any of this aspect in other popular ships such as SS and NH. If I am Sakura or Hinata in this universe, I will not be okay with my pair doing all these things with other person. I intentionally left scenes from Episode 478 as it is so intense and require a separate post. I am happy that even without Episode 478, SNS ship sails high. So, I believe both Sakura and Hinata are still fourth wheeling their respective pairs in Boruto universe also, I guess. 
P.S: I don’t watch Boruto
Final memento:
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No way a friend will look this mesmerized on seeing the other one. 
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