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degenderates · 9 months

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transphobia specifically directed at trans men and transmasculine people is not transmisandry. it's not transandrophobia. there is specific oppression that trans men face, but it's not because we're men or masculine, as those two words imply. it's just fucking misogyny. "young girls are being brainwashed/groomed into being trans" = misogyny. "trans men with mental illnesses can't really know if they're trans or not" = assumes people they see as girls can't make their own decisions = infantilization of women = misogyny. "transmascs over-masculinize themselves to fit in" = demonizes gender transgression of anyone assigned female at birth = misogyny. "what if they decide to detransition and can't have children?/testosterone can cause infertility/testosterone can cause irreversible changes" = sees people with uteruses as vessels for babies and the patriarchy = misogyny.

internet trans discourse is stupid and i just want to shake people by the shoulders and scream that both sides of the "transandrophobia" debate are so fucking reductive. all of the above rhetoric is alive and well and the cause of a shit ton of anti-trans legislation, sentiment, and violence both nationally (US) and internationally, and i'm tired of people who aren't transmasculine acting like trans men automatically have male privilege just because we identify as men now. it doesn't change how cis ppl see us, and even if a guy has been on hormones for awhile, he's still affected by reproductive laws (hmm...correlation in US legislation/rights anyone?), as one example. this of course doesn't mean trans men can't have male privilege, but it's not the universal sticker of "this person is a man and therefore doesn't face x" that cis men have.

personally i am not a fan of the way "transmisogyny" is used as a specifier, because from what i've seen, the oppression that trans women and men (and nonbinary people, especially those who do hormones or surgeries), though different, all stems from misogyny. transphobia itself stems from misogyny. i don't like how "transmisogyny"--and especially its derivatives, tme/tma--imply that trans men somehow face less oppression than trans women. we are all one group and the insistence on dividing us into this ridiculous binary, one that is supposedly, to internet queers, the greatest divide when it comes to types of transphobia, erases factors like race and disability that i think have much more of a sway on how likely it is that a trans person will be a target. you think a black trans man transitioning now means he'll somehow be safer than a white trans woman? really????

before y'all turn this into the pancake waffle thing, i'm not saying the word transmisogyny is bad or that we shouldn't talk about the intersectionality of being trans and a woman. but the way the trans community, and by extension, the cis queer community, talks about it as if trans women are the only ones that are women, seen as women, feel connected to womanhood, adjacent to womanhood, and face all the misogyny related to those things is frankly one of the stupidest progressions of queer theory i've ever seen. intersectionality of gender identity, transness, and sexuality is so complicated, fluid, and personal in a way that a gender/sexuality intersection with race, disability, or class is not. while there are threads of connection between all of these things, the two "types" of gendered oppression, misogyny and transphobia, are so closely tied together and smushed together within the meaning of gender that efforts to put clear-cut terms and frameworks of intersectionality within that little shaken-up cocktail is going to be fruitless.

and y'alls insistence on doing so, trying to dumb everything down into rules that don't always apply and definitely don't match up with the way the actual world treats trans people, drives me fucking crazy.

#i've avoided making this post because i find transmasc discourse fucking annoying #but that's also why i'm making this post.#transphobia #transmisogyny #transandrophobia #misogyny #intersectionality #josiah speaks

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femme-enby · 2 years

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One more time-

TERFs don’t actually care about boundaries, rape victims, misogyny, or any of the other social issues they claim to care about. They only care about being right.

Transphobia is tied closely to racism and misogyny, and nothing will change the fact that by ignoring one of the three, you’re harming everyone.

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thebreakfastgenie · 10 months

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Whether you made up a guy or not, I find your post in poor taste. I mean, imagine being on the other end of that. Imagine if that post had been about misogyny instead.

“After seeing this person be annoying online, I realised why people become misogynists. It’s wrong of them and they should get offline and touch grass but you know, I’m just saying, most misogynists are radicalised by meeting an annoying woman. I know this because they said so on Reddit. So I mean, that’s bad and wrong to hate them for that, but it makes you think, doesn’t it? If only this person had been less annoying people wouldn’t hate women.”

Like… I know you were saying TERFs were very very wrong for seeing annoying trans people and becoming bigots for it. But to be honest, that is a premise I disagree with. Yes, many Reddit-using TERFs claim(ed) that they became transphobic because of annoying trans people online… but that’s really downplaying the long history of trans bigotry, not to mention the political forces that radicalise young people into hate groups and bigotry. You are not taking into consideration that someone being annoying or abrasive or claiming to speak for a minority group would not be sufficient to bring down hate groups on them were it not for the social and political forces already marginalising those people.

Or to use another comparison in your post, I might see an individual with a Magen David emoji in their name saying some things I disagree with - and if I was uneducated and too online and needed to touch grass, yes, I might conclude that all Jews are [whatever it said in the tweet]. But I wouldn’t become an anti-Semite who believes Jews run the world and engage in blood libel because of that annoying Jewish person on Twitter. I would become that if I had been radicalised by anti-Jewish hate groups.

You're reading a lot into my post that wasn't there.

For one thing, I know I was mostly talking about online, but the posts I referenced in the "peak trans" threads (what they called it) were often about unpleasant experiences TERFs or TERF-sympathetic people (despite it being r/radfem or whatever, there were a number of posts from cis men) had with trans people in real life. It was just a parallel I noticed. We know that just knowing a person from a marginalized group (there was a recent study on this with trans people) can significantly change attitudes towards acceptance, so I think it's reasonable to hypothesis if someone has had limited interactions with a group and they've been negative it may contribute to less acceptance. Bigotry is often closely tied to fear; this is a similar emotional pathway.

To the main point, I'm not saying this sort of thing radicalizes people the way hate groups do. What I am saying is that toxic social environments like twitter contribute to low-level bigotry and probably prime some people to be radicalized further. It's background radiation that can make people think "maybe the hate groups have a point" or at least not feel particularly strongly about pushing back against them. I don't know why you'd assume I'm discounting other social and political forces. I'm identifying this kind of toxic environment as one social force and analyzing (I use that word loosely because I'm just layperson blogging here) the role it plays in the preponderance of bigotry. I am suggesting that toxic environments like twitter in conjunction with other social forces can result in an increase in bigotry. I guess I didn't think I had to specify that other social forces exist because I thought we all agreed on "systemic transphobia is a real thing."

It's funny that you bring up misogyny, because the interaction I had was on a thread about misogyny. And a random TERF showed up to reply with a TERF copypasta, "look at this dress wearing man talking over a woman about what it's like to be a woman" etc. They probably do that because they know people who are frustrated are more likely to be taken in by that.

What I was trying to emphasize, and what I will reiterate again, is that the onus is on cis people, or whatever other privileged group, to not be poisoned by that background radiation. I think environments like twitter make it easier for people to become bigots but that is not an excuse for bigotry.

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exclamaquest · 2 years

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The whole transmisandry thing is a bit confusing, so you know if there a post of something that explain this topic in simple terms?

I'm gonna point you to a really good carrd made by @transmisogyny-explained (whose blog i also heavily recommend you check out)! The carrd has lots of resources and links to other perspectives and explanations.

My explanation is not going to be comprehensive and I myself am very much TME, so again, please look at the links I've provided, but I can try to explain as well as I can.

Also, if I screw up at all, please don't hesitate to correct me!

The very basic premise is that transmisogyny Is the unique axis of both social and societal oppression that trans women (and all transfem people) face. They're oppressed for being transgender, for being women, and specifically for being trans women. This oppression can be reinforced by anybody, including transmascs.

While trans men are absolutely oppressed for being transgender and for being trans men, we are not oppressed for being men. We do not have access to male privilege, but we DO have access to the privilege that comes with being TME (transmisogyny exempt).

Additionally, while transphobia itself is systemic, transmisogyny itself is also systemic in a way that transphobia specifically against transmascs is not.

EDIT: quoting @/transmisogyny-explained:

It’s not so much that they’re systemic in a different way, it’s more that the systems they represent are themselves different. I think a lot of people get confused on this, but basically transmisogyny is more closely tied to patriarchy while transphobia is directly derived from cissexism. You can think of transmisogyny as being like transphobia-flavored misogyny. That’s a pretty reductionist explanation, but this post sums it up pretty well I think.

Thank you so much again for the feedback!

To quote the carrd, which puts it better than I can:

"[T]ransmisogyny is the culturally pervasive attitude (held and perpetuated by anyone who is not a transfem) of regarding trans women as a third class of gendered categorization altogether, because, to quote myself, “[transmisogynists] cannot dignify us as women, but cannot accurately misgender us as men either without calling the stability of male supremacy into question.” (This process is called “third-gendering” or “degendering,” and you can read more about it here.) Therefore, transmisogyny operates on a different level of gendered oppression altogether."

Going by this definition, we cannot say that transmascs are oppressed in the same way as trans women. We are invalidated by transphobes and the target of hateful attacks, yes, but there is a distinct difference between third-gendering/degendering and the perception of transmascs as confused women.

There is no specific axis of oppression that trans men face in the same way that trans women face transmisogyny. Since there is no equivalent, an equivalent word is not needed.

#theo.txt #theo.pdf #theo.ask #anon #transmisogyny #transphobia

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kimyoonmiauthor · 2 years

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How to defeat transphobes quickly.

Phase I: Transphobia was created by the Patriarchy, like misogyny was.

The main two books to do this with is:

The Creation of Patriarchy by Gerda Lerner

Caliban and the Witch: Women, the Body and Primitive Accumulation by Silvia Federici.

And this is dead easy to support.

See transphobe’s heads explode. You see, if you haven’t read my profile I majored in Anthropology and concentrated it in systems. That’s sexism, ableism, anti-LGBTQIA, etc. Granted, I was interested in it in kindergarten after getting bullied and getting insufficient answers.

So limited land and men’s need for prestige caused men to try to find reasons to try to take land from women. But in order to define what women were, they needed to create a strict binary. In order to create a strict binary, they had to throw out the existing trans people. (Who, BTW, existed pre-Christian times.)

With needing to own land, then you need someone to work the land. This is where the ableism comes in. Who will inherit the land? Men, but you need to prove your fragile male virility. And will disabled people do who may not be able to work the land? NO. And can you allow your descendants to show they are gay? Eff no. I mean, you need to show off your big D--- and show the equipment work by *gasp* making sure your children reproduce so you have a legacy. --;;

That’s trans down. That’s the disciplining of women. That’s the disciplining of LGB. And then intersex. Obviously you, great patriarchal male is going to called someone intersex “disabled.” And now disabled.

OK. Racism, comes also from land owning. You have to look at Moors and Mongols for that one. OMG, it’s more misogyny. Can’t have women having those dirty Moor or Mongol babies.

BTW, I’m not saying that the systems act the same CURRENTLY, but I am saying the root of the problem is exactly the same. Stupid ass male fragility And Boy do I have historical examples.

The history of anti-LGBTQIA and anti-women are tied CLOSELY in history. The downfall of one always comes with the downfall of the other. Should we start listing historical events?

Korea: Imjin War--Downfall of women and LGBTQIA

Early Christianity was disciplined: Downfall of women and LGBTQIA

China: (every time they’ve done it historically and in contemporary times.) Discipline women and LGBTQIA

Imperialism spread the hatred into other regions... Notably India, Australia, New Zealand, and the Americas. What happened? Europeans disciplined women and LGBTQIA.

The binary was made to suppress women, but in doing so, they also suppressed everyone else.

What happens is either the transphobe gets so upset they block you, because they realize on some level the root of their hate has the same origin as hating trans people (and everyone who doesn’t own vast tracks of land they plan to give to super privileged sons)... thus they are hating themselves, or they go into a ranty fest trying to attack you, because they can’t attack two cishet white women on their theses that are widely accepted by academia.

Phase II: You’re being Eurocentric Racist.

Also, you can all them racist since they refuse to recognize third genders from other locales. Such as: Indonesia, Bugis, India, Thailand, Angola, Kenya, Plain Indians, etc.

If they start with “But clothes” you can ask them the difference between a robe and a dress. All the dictionaries say a dress is what a woman wears. There is no difference. And Hula skirts, sarongs, kilts, etc are skirts.

Heels were invented for horseback riding, so men should be wearing them.

And pants are for horseback riding.

Lace was originally a prestige item for men.

Eyeliner were the original sunglasses.

So anything women have worn, men have too. Calling out my PoC transphobes. This works well when you point out such notions came from white imperialism. Usually you can find third genders in their country of origin and argue about how much transphobes hate their definition of gender.

Phase III: The Biological Argument. I think this is easy. Scientific American, Nature, the DSM VI, Psychology Today, Anthropology, don’t back them. As soon as you point out there are XXY humans and humans who don’t have their expressed gender by chromosomes, they start flipping out and sputtering. They don’t have much left because the reputable magazines have turned against them.

They might pull out the “Disability” argument and “the majority”

Then you ask them what if the person is born with both? Which also happens. Persistent Müllerian duct syndrome. What are they,then they pull out the chromosome argument... Swyer syndrome Klinefelter syndrome and present to them the weird world of biology that doesn’t care for human rules. Culture exists to create rules about nature that nature always overturns. One less Chromosome: nature is like, sure-- let’s try that. Turner syndrome.

When they get to “They should not exist” in their argument you hit them with the Eugenics questions. Do you support Hitler? Hitler’s Germany who supported positions like sterilization... https://www.jstor.org/stable/4397988 Phase IV: Their feminism is behind and dates to the 1960′s Second wave White feminism.

At this point since they can’t argue about statistics... say the whole bathroom argument: https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/politics/stats-show-assaults-dont-happen-in-bathrooms/275-126572739

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/06/health/trans-teens-bathroom-policies-sexual-assault-study/index.html

Also numbers from RAINN: https://www.rainn.org/articles/lgbtq-survivors-sexual-violence

Or the Sports argument: https://www.aclu.org/news/lgbtq-rights/four-myths-about-trans-athletes-debunked/

And then hit them with: Is this the biggest concern that feminists have?

They will try to hit you with, “You don’t care about women” argument. And this is where you hit them really hard. Argue along the lines their feminism is out of date, is filled with ignorance about the creation of the Patriarchy they are trying to dismantle, and only dates from the 1960′s, and so who doesn’t care about women, you or them? Women moved on, you can argue. There was Third wave feminism: Which argued for the inclusion of LGBT, intersectionality and PoCs. Also lead by black women, including Black transwomen. Stonewall was started by black trans women and black lesbians TOGETHER. So are they saying the activism that black women did was irrelevant and they prefer white feminism and global impacts?

There is Fourth wave feminism, which included masculine fragility, Asking about how to talk through flexibility for boys which would solve a lot of the issues from the binary they are so paranoid about coming from trans people, rather than directing it towards the aggressors and solving the problems with masculine fragility in the first place.

Arguing this will make them really upset, because by this point, no arguments are left. They can’t name call you, you’ve laid out facts about their transphobia supporting the Patriarchy, and said their feminism is behind, and that their statistical basis is wrong. They got nowhere to go except try to find ways to attack you, such as “you weren’t listening to me at all.” or personal attacks, in which case.... Phase VII: Psychology. The last bit you should know is most transphobes don’t seem to have hobbies outside of social media. And they are looking for peer adulation, so don’t care abut correct facts. Most of them on twitter are unemployed, come off slightly antisocial, and don’t seem to have other social skills. A lot of them, flip out when you disappear for a few seconds, a few hours, go off and do a job. And the ones that defend She-who-should-not-be-named, don’t seem to be familiar with any of her work or writings. So ask them the following: Do you have a job? Don’t you have hobbies? You don’t have face to face people you can talk to that like you? And a lot of them will go poof, the other percentage will accuse you of not having the same, in which case you can assert you do, and they should work on that and if they need help, you know that therapy is available to help with such things. And I haven’t found a single one *yet* that can fire back. The amount of posts and retweets, etc is always screaming they don’t do anything else besides social media. They don’t have better things to do. They want peer approval and attention, so shine a light on their weakness. Asserting you have time outside of social media works.

Conclusion: Personal attacks? Report them.

That said, if people are going to hate, they are going to hate anyway. But at least inform them their hate comes from something they don’t own: Vast tracts of land to be passed down to mostly white cishet abled men. Hate is so uncreative and generally has the same origin. If we could only cure male fragility.

The reason they hate is because hate feels like control, but as the old saying goes, hate can consume you. And the more that you try to feel control through hate, the more you try to find you lose control, and thus hate more. And then you come back to hating yourself and your own in spectacular fashion. Hate also tries to punch at the weakest people because it is not brave. Can’t punch at men? Punch at trans people. Usually transphobes try to bait people in order to exhaust them. In which case, bait them back to let them spout their full transphobia. Don’t be transphobic, just set the trap, so you can hit that report button and let the platform ban them. I did say I read the Art of War several times and Machiavelli’s The Prince several times.

#trans #transphobes

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nothorses · 3 years

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It really fucks me up that I have to tell people not to call trans people slurs or defend their mental stability in fucking gay subreddits. The thing is it’s a real issue I’ve seen in gay communities, especially those with little to no moderation, where transphobia will often run rampant and unchallenged in the less visible internet alleyways. Hell I could probably pull up 50+ posts all from one week from one subreddit that all drip with some flavor of transphobia and I don’t know why this happens.

Tbh this might sound harsh but I kindof think that with certain groups of gay men (not all obviously) they still do that misogynistic banter that some straight men do that eventually downspirals into honest to god hateful misogyny, but instead in gay circles it’s transphobia. Typically these guys are already kinda misogynistic to begin with though, so a lot of times when they complain about “straight women invading their spaces” it’s supposed to be a double punch, one for misgendering, one for being a woman in their eyes. It... really hurts to be honest but you can’t really bring it up with these types cuz they won’t have empathy with you.

Maybe I’m being too prescriptivist but honest to god it’s so hard to like actually hang around in gay spaces as a trans guy who likes guys due to all the hatred bubbling under the surface and I think I have legit self image issues from being exposed to these places.

You’re very right, tbh. And I think a lot of this comes from very different community histories between cis mlm and cis wlw.

The wlw community has had close ties with the feminist movement for a long time, and a lot of their recent history (~1970′s on) is influenced- for better or worse- by feminist theory, feminist movements, radfems, and TERFs. Trans exclusion in the wlw community in particular has been a hot topic for a long time, and partially because of transfem hypervisibility. The push to exclude transfems is more aggressive and direct, and the push against that is more vocal.

But the cis mlm community doesn’t really tie itself to other social movements, and doesn’t have the same sense of insular, dedicated community. There also isn’t as much a sense of “protecting the community” as in the cis lesbian community; even the “straight women invading our spaces” thing comes from a more recent push-back against the “gay best friend” tropes and straight bachelorette parties in gay bars.

A ton of problems have been allowed to fester in the cis mlm community, and while progress has been made... it’s different. And it’s difficult, when the mlm community just isn’t as cohesive of a community as most are, and as it once was.

It doesn’t help that transmascs struggle with invisibility already.

I’ve been called a “fujoshi” and accused of fetishizing “real” gay men more times than I can really keep track of, and the odds of the anons who say those things being TERFs vs. cis gay men are about 70:30, I’d say. And mostly because of the platform.

Of all my encounters on dating apps, where I’m only seen by mlm, I think every cis man that’s been interested in me has been bi or pan. And a decent amount of those have been chasers. I love bi & pan men, but I can’t kick the fear that nobody who isn’t interested in women could be interested in me.

But this isn’t something I’ve seen anyone outside of the transmasc community address, and it’s frustrating. I don’t think most folks even know it happens, even if they’re already talking about similar issues in the lesbian community. If they do, well, nobody else is talking about it. How bad can it really be?

I’d love to see more discussions about the mlm community, the history of it, the problems with it, and ways these things could be better addressed. And I’d love for it to not just boil down to, like, drawing weird and unhinged lines between attraction to women and how misogynistic a person is.

#transmasc #mlm #trans mlm #ftm mlm #long post #transphobia tw #transandrophobia #not horses #Anonymous

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kelvintimeline · 3 years

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genuinely curious: you've responded to asks about how you don't think asexuality makes someone lgbt, etc. but you mention cishet aces/straight aces a lot. i guess i wonder what you think about aces who are not "straight" or "heterosexual" because they're aromantic- and thus not attracted to the opposite gender. i ask because i tend to be curious about those who view asexuality almost as a modifier for your larger orientation (like an ace lesbian is lgbt, but an ace straight person isn't), because in trying to understand that POV where i land oddly is on aromantic individuals

Cis aroace people benefit from homophobia, biphobia, and transphobia just as much as cisgender straight people do. They function the same as a perpetually single straight person.

There may be some issues they face for that but largely… society does not demonize you for being single or a virgin the way it does gay people. Or even a promiscuous straight person (especially if that straight person is a woman or a person of color).

And even if it did, that would not erase the benefits they get from not experiencing homophobia or transphobia. Because, remember, oppressive systems exist to benefit the oppressor.

Every opportunity made harder for people for their same gender attraction or transness is made EASIER for everyone else. And while there are some things that may become easier for straight people in relationships than perpetually single straight people or aroace people (adoption, maybe home rental), cis aroaces still benefit from it being even harder for LGBT people.

The same way cis women may not have all the privilege cis men have but still oppress trans people (yes, even trans men) and therefore don’t belong in trans spaces. Cis aroaces oppress LGBT people. They oppress lesbians, gay men, bisexuals, and trans people.

Whatever discrimination they face (note: discrimination, not oppression), it more closely mirrors misogyny than homophobia. It’s akin to rape culture, not punishment for having attraction to the wrong gender. So you can’t even make the “Gay and trans people are allied because their oppression is tied to the same institutions, why not add in aros and aces uwu” because that discrimination has different sources, institutions, goals, and effects.

Cis aroaces and Cishet aces/aros are better off allying with or at least aping from feminist groups… not LGBT ones

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doberbutts · 3 years

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“trans men don’t experience misogyny because they’re men thus cannot experience women’s oppression”

I hate to tell you this but even cis men experience misogyny if they step a toe over the line of what our incredibly sexist society sees as “proper” for a man. You really don’t think that a man with interests or expression the world sees as “female” aren’t treated with violence?

#something something homophobia is tied closely to misogyny #transphobia is tied closely to misogyny #people who are straight but gnc experience misogyny #hell people who are straight and AREN'T gnc but have ~interests~ that lay ~outside~ of their perceived #gender role still experience misogyny #a little boy that grows up to be a sportsball car and gun obsessed straight man #that played with dolls or liked butterflies as a young child #still gets the ~girlish interests~ beaten out of him #we live in a misogynistic society everyone experiences misogyny #and if they don't experience it they continue it

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tog-resources-archive · 3 years

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Thank you fan!anon for sending me such a long, detailed message! Never apologize for writing me an essay since I always seem to be writing essays for other people in return lol. Also sorry it took a while to get to! This required a bit of preparation. You’ve given me a lot to respond to. I’m going to be putting the entirety of the ask under the cut and the tl;dr because this one is very, verrrryyyy long.

Tl;dr- fan!anon talks about the history of top/bottom discourse in TOG and the issues of racism in our fandom. My response: my own feelings on the history of the top/bottom discourse in TOG and the current state of it. General issues I’ve observed in this fandom and the current discourse. Also, we shouldn’t ignore fandom racism, but I don’t think we should be looking at it through the lens of top/bottom, AND I think we should be focusing on misogyny, homophobia, etc. in addition to racism. Not ignore one for the other.

Bottom line though, don’t harrass people, block people if you need to, focus on what you love, support fan creation and let’s try to be a better fandom.

Okay, time to dig in!

Hello fellow fan who has been here since the beginning! I come from the “other side” I suppose, in that I do think the top/bottom discourse is worth talking about. It has to do with the elephant in the room which I haven’t seen anyone touch on – self-identified top!joe fans (in contrast to simply fans who enjoy or prefer content where joe tops). I remember the original top/bottom discourse coming out of a more general conversation about trends in fic (1) wherein Joe was more violent, less empathetic, often not religious, more aggressive in sexual scenarios, and also most often topping. People asked the fandom in general to simply consider, if that is how they perceive Joe, to reflect for themselves about implicit biases that could be colouring that interpretation. The self-identified top!joes used that conversation as a starting point to argue that the above interpretation of Joe, (2) and writing/drawing Nicky as smaller, almost twink-like, demure, more feminine (or writing fic where he was de-aged) was justified by canon (if you recall the multi-day argument about the approximately 1 inch height difference between Marwan and Luca) and connecting those ideas to top!joe just “making more sense” to them. In the hands of a good writer (of which we are blessed to have many in this fandom!), which character tops in an explicit fic is of no consequence to me. (3) But the concept of top!joe has, in my mind, become so closely tied with those fans who, a) interpret these characters and actions in a way that seems influenced by racial stereotypes and tropes and b) use that characterization as “justification” for top!joe. All this when I thought we all agreed that position preference has nothing to do with personality? (4) If someone sees Joe as a very masculine, aggressive, dom-type character (which is a bit of a one-note characterization to start, but I digress), that shouldn’t be related to him being a “top”, correct? Yet that is the interpretation and connection that the top!joes themselves make. So that’s why to me, the top/bottom framework continues to have some value, eve though in an ideal world it wouldn’t: (5) because some fans connect what should be a neutral sexual position preference to an interpretation of Joe’s character, an interpretation which I think doesn’t do him justice. I understand if you don’t want to publish this but I’m hesitant to talk off anon due to how heated this whole conversation is. I also don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings or make them feel bad about how they are participating in the fandom, but I do think self-reflection in terms of how we engage is valuable. (6) And just to fully reiterate in case it wasn’t clear, my above points are specifically referring to who I think of as “top!joe only” fans as opposed to fans who enjoy or prefer content in which joe tops – only the former of which I am wary of. Anyways, sorry for this long message, and I hope I've been able to explain my reasoning. If we continue to disagree, thanks for reading this anyways and continuing the dialogue. Thank you also for promoting femslash events and content! (7)

So....I did say in a previous post that I’m not a big fan of hearsay, and I’m sorry but… that’s kind of what you’ve given me. A lot of “this is what Top!Joe Only people have said” and “this is what the rest of the fandom has said back.” I have to ask, who are these “Top!Joe Only” people that are on the other side of this fandom war? Who are the people representing the “rest of the fandom”? The only names I could really come up with myself are the Top!Joe Server mods as top!Joe only fans, and they haven’t exactly been active recently. Not to mention the Top!Joe server mod @karanoidandroid was the focus of the Art Theft and Bullying debacle a while back (here) which even if you disagree with her… that’s not the way you treat people. Full stop.

But anyway, to break this down, you’ve said that top!joe only fans wanted to interpret Joe in a way that was “more violent, less empathetic, less religious, more sexually aggressive, and topping (most of the time)” and that Nicky is “smaller, more twink-like, more demure and feminine” and that the hardcore top!joe stans are using this interpretation as a reasoning for liking top!joe explicit fics (and for underage fic?)

Er, honestly, I’ll have to disregard the “less religious” comment in this one. Lucyclairedelune has talked about it very eloquently here. As for the rest, let’s say these opinions were expressed on tumblr in July, just when the fandom was getting started. However, after personally going through all the Explicit July fics, I gotta say, the overwhelming majority of writers are focused on romantic Malta sex vacations lol.

From my personal observations (I started reading fic on ao3 in August), I’ve seen some stories that cater to very… specific tastes (mostly kinkmeme fics so I’m not going to touch that) and some that have…. been written in poor taste perhaps. But, honestly, the majority of fics (aka G, T, M rated) that I’ve seen? I would say that they were written with care and concern for the character’s portrayal.

Now, some fans (usually older fans) are very focused on “your kink is not my kink” and other fans feel this is an inappropriate way to view “racist, homophobic, islamophobic, etc” fics. And I agree with that. If people are using kink to excuse racism, homophobia, islamophobia, transphobia, antisemitism, misogyny, etc, in fics: Fuck that. But I think there’s a lot of misunderstanding flying around when people react to ‘ykinmk”. This fandom likes to assume the worst of their fellow fans imo, and I honestly don’t think that when a person defends kink that they’re trying to defend racism. They’re trying to defend their kink community which, historically, has been attacked and misunderstood by the purity police. Look into the Livejournal, ffnet, and even the Tumblr purges if you don’t believe me.

For the record, I don’t know anyone on tumblr personally. We’re all effectively strangers talking to each other on the internet, so I’m not going to make assumptions about people from stories they’ve posted on AO3 or the kinkmeme. If you want to talk about the issues those fics represent, that’s cool, but don’t harass people whose life stories you don’t know (and don’t vagueblog about them). (This is just a general statement, not saying this about you anon! I feel really strongly about this.)

Now you say, “some fans connect what should be a neutral sexual position preference to an interpretation of Joe’s character” and I hate to say it, but there are ALWAYS going to be some people who have awful opinions. Ones that are either truly terrible, or kind of in poor taste, or maybe you just don’t vibe with them. Personally, I don’t have enough time in the day to address every weird thing that a person spews on the internet. I won’t judge if you want to take them on, but, personally, I haven’t seen any recent militant top!joe only posts that are calling for racist portrayals. I see people referring to past conversations, for sure, but again, I can’t do anything with hearsay.

And honestly, we keep bringing up the top/bottom discourse of early TOG fandom, and we’re just not the same fandom we were then. SO MANY people have left the fandom in that time-- a lot of big name (or simply well known) fans and a lot of MENA fans. Regardless of what “side” you’re on in this, we all lose by focusing on the positions, by dividing everyone by “top” or “bottom” or “switch” fans, and by bringing up what people said in July, or August, or September. It’s exhausting, especially because I think a lot of people have done exactly what you said. Many authors HAVE self-reflected, they’ve thought about trends, the implications, and are contributing/interacting with the fandom as best as they can. Do I think we should stop focusing on self-reflection? That we should stop being careful about writing potentially damaging portrayals of our favorite characters? NO. Let’s keep at it! Let’s encourage others to do the same… but not with top/bottom discourse.

Let it be known that I don’t think racism is a topic we should disregard to focus on other things. Honestly, I would be happy if people gave some of the energy they have for “top/bottom” discourse to talk about the portrayal of Nile Freeman or Lykon or Copley or Quynh… the other POC representation in TOG that usually gets ignored. You may interpret this as me going “but what about??” and that’s fair. I just think that we talk about Joe ALL THE TIME in this fandom. There is an avalanche of conversation and content for this man (who I love, don’t get me wrong) and it just feels really disingenuous (to me) to talk ad nauseum about racist portrayals of Joe, but then to ignore Nile Freeman and wlw fics when Nile is the rare Black Female Action Protagonist and Andy/Quynh is an extremely rare interracial canon lesbian couple. And I’ve been trying to use my blog here to bring attention to this, think of me what you will because of that. (Again just a general statement anon! Not directed to you XD)

And from what I’ve seen in this fandom (and many others to be fair) is that we care about racism SO MUCH…but only when talking about how a man has sex. It speaks of a lack of intersectional understanding of these topics, disregarding the misogyny that IS ALSO inherent in fandom, and disregarding the homophobia of overfocusing on the top/bottom dynamics. BUT I’m not asking you to ignore racism; all I’m asking is for you to focus on the other issues too.

Bottom line though… the discourse is not what it once was. A lot of people, on whatever side, have left the fandom, or have taken a break, or are vocally tired of “top/bottom” discourse. Personally, I think we should talk about racism… but not through the lens of explicit mlm fic sex positions. Let’s talk more about race, gender, sex and sexual orientation, but not in a way that divides the fandom, in a way that makes people sick of being here, in a way that kills our content creator’s passion. Honestly, I think it can be done! But only if we work toward that goal together.

I would like to focus on encouraging events in our community, such as the ongoing Old Guard Big Bang 2021 event and the upcoming Femslash Fortnight Spring Solstice Edition event. If anyone is organizing other events, let me know and I’ll hype you up! But as for the rest, I’m tired, you’re tired, we’re all tired. Let’s try and work harder to be a kinder, more inclusive fandom in the future, for everyone’s sake.

#tumblr is a nightmare #the formatting issues i had with this one...#the old guard #my post #my ask #reply #loooooonnnnng ask and loooooong reply #sorry guys #this will be the last one for a while i think #the old guard discourse #old guard discourse #tog discourse

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Trans On Main 2 (long af)

Alright um, this post was requested rather than like...planned so im gonna Stream of Consciousness it and hope it edits into something coherent. Also, to get this out of the way, I’ve unfortunately been having to put up with blogs of A Type trying to follow me for the past few days, so I’d like to be clear that i despise any kind of content that has to do with s*ssies. Cannot even type the word, the concept is abhorrent to me, i cannot tolerate it to any extent. The degredation, humiliation, and misogyny that is intrinsic to the trope is just reprehensible to me, dials my dysphoria up to 11 and magnifies internalized transmisogyny to unbelievable levels. I 0% fuck with it, and if that’s your thing i don’t wanna hear about it ever. This is a Praise and Affirmation For Trans Girls Only Space....Anyways, ya’ll know the drill, comment something cute or nothing at all, mega internalized anxiety talking about this topic, TERFS die of rad poisoning, yaddah yaddah yaddah lets get this bread ladies.

I think what’s most useful about these posts is it allows me to reflect, to look back on a trope or idea i enjoy and break down why i like it, why it appeals to me specifically as a trans girl.

I guess topic #1 for this post is the use of hair salons as a common locale for the story, or at least the portion of the story in which the main character’s transition occurs. Its incredibly popular, the environment is very romanticized and I can understand why. From the perspective of a trans woman, a hair salon is one of a handful of locations where cis women can go in, stay for X length of time, and come out looking and feeling more beautiful than they did going in. That has absolutely massive appeal to trans women as a concept, however unrealistic or simplified it may be. The idea that you can go to a place and request a service that is meant to actively make you look more attractive, or more like the woman you aspire to be has nothing that even remotely compares among services intended for men. Nothing even close. In fiction this idealized environment is also typically staffed by very attractive women who either read the protagonist as a woman, or are overtly supportive of them during any transition that takes place. While i do think there’s a reason for this secondary theme, it basically ties into my second topic so I’m gonna hit pause on this one and sort of circle back to it.

Topic #2 is femdom. Yeah. That word might carry some connotations for some of you but just, push those to the side for a minute ‘kay? They’re probably not what i’m going for, I’m being purely literal with this term. Femdom in this context describes a transtion that occurs, in part or in whole, at the behest of a female figure in the story. Her relationship to the protagonist varies a ton across different works, as does the protagonist’s degree of consent to her decisions. Girlfriend, boss, older sister, mother, and others utilize leverage such as romantic attachment, money, political power, shame, or physical force to bring about the transition of the protagonist. Personally I think the appeal of this trope is due to two things. The first, as discussed previously in a more personal sense, is that the protagonist has reduced autonomy. They can only partially resist their transition, if at all, and its completion carries a sense of inevitability. Such a state of affairs, i think, has very high appeal for trans girls who struggle with internalized transphobia, as the fears and worries that hold them back are not a concern with someone else in command of their transition. The second source of femdom’s appeal comes down to experience. Who knows more about being a girl than someone who already is one after all? This is also where i cycle back to the attractive salon staff. You have a group of women who are assumed by virtue of being girls to know what it takes to be read as one, by virtue of being attractive they’re assumed to know how to maintain their appearance as girls, and as salon employees they are assumed to have the skills and tools to make sure the protagonist will be read as a girl. So, experience and reduced autonomy are the underlying reasons for femdom’s appeal, but i think a more...punchy way of putting it is trans girls want someone to trust. We occupy a uniquely disliked category of society and are subject to extreme mistreatment and harassment, making it nerve wracking to know who its safe to come out to, and who’s looking to exploit us. The idea that our transition, our most private and personal burden, can be taken off our hands by someone with the motivation and skills to do it well...i don’t have the words for how amazing and relieving that sounds. To be able to trust someone like that and have it pay off. I would die of joy. I would cry my eyes out.

This is already very long but i guess the last thing i wanted to get out, like i did last time, is how would i use the concepts i discussed in a story from the perspective of an actual trans girl.

I imagine it would be a surprise, a gift for her birthday or anniversary with her girlfriend. The appointment was scheduled at the salon months ago, and her girlfriend gently tugs her inside by the hand before speaking with the receptionist. Maybe her girlfriend works there, or is friends with the staff, but either way all the stops are pulled out at her say-so. No other appointments or walk-ins will be allowed today, and the staff is very excited to dote on this special guest. She’s escorted back to her seat, a cape is thrown around her shoulders, and the work begins. Her girlfriend has already provided all the information the stylists need, and any nervous objections or questions the girl has are ignored, overridden, or silenced with a firm kiss from her partner. Her hair is dyed, buzzed, styled and blow dried into an undercut pixie that the stylists compliment over and over. Her makeup is done flawlessly, faced away from the mirror with only her girlfriend’s growing smile to indicate its quality. Her nails are shaped and painted, her ears are pierced, the studs shining against her hair. The full reveal happens with her girlfriend’s arms around her shoulders, their beautiful faces paired perfectly. Then she’s swept into a backroom to try on a panoply of outfits, her girlfriend snapping adoring pictures of each, from skimpy lingerie to tasteful casual wear. The assembled stylists compliment each one, praising her pose, her persona, her smile, as the camera flashes over and over again. With everything boxed up, her girlfriend drives her home in her favorite ensemble, kissing her at every red light. They drift off to sleep in each other’s arms, but not before it slips out that tomorrow she’s in for a similar surprise at a local hospital. Something to do with filling out that lingerie a little more~ <3

#my stuff #trans girl #my head hurts so goddamn much im channeling divine wisdom here. Realizing shit #comprehending intrinsic qualities of being a trans girl or at least of ME #riding post nut clarity like a tall wave at a surfing tournament i guess #anyway my tiddies are huge but my brain is huger #pay me in affectionate asks i dare u i fuckin triple canid challenge you #this took me like 3 hours #im writing tags from this point forward having Finished #my head still hurts so much. someone drive me to the hospital but not for my head~#i wanna feel pretty #i wanna feel beautiful #can you Fuckin Tell?#anyway would love to be able to trust someone enough to do half this shit but in the mean time im gonna get tortured by fear #i want pierced ears #i want my damn pixie cut #i want to paint my nails #i want my tiddies held #i want FUCKIN KISS #good mcfreakin nigth i suffered through a multi-hour migraine to write this pls voice ur support in exchange for my agonies

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yovelknell · 4 years

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Asexuality & LGBT: Adding New Axes of Oppression

Before I begin, I want to emphasize that although I hold a different opinion on ace discourse, it genuinely does not mean I hate asexuality or want to hurt aces. I recognize their validity and the importance of ace-related activism related to sexual autonomy. I think it is valuable to have ace voices involved in conversations on the breadth of human sexual experiences.

However, this does not mean that asexuality is systemically oppressed. There are no laws, sanctions, or practices that condemn asexuality. Individually, there is prejudice against it, which can lead to awful violence and shaming. But this is due to misogyny and homophobia and how it shapes our societal understanding of sexuality.

It is true: there are gender roles tied to intensity of sexuality. Men must be sexual. Women must be sexual for men and not for themselves. So, asexuality could be considered gender nonconforming in the same ways that transness and gayness have historically?

No. These “oppressions” that asexuals face do not applying equally in the ways that real oppressions do. Gay men are not hurt more if they do not want or have sex. If anything, they would be better tolerated since the physical affections they express are the most hated. Straight men, though, are stigmatized for not being sexually aggressive enough. However, their individual experiences are rooted in the misogyny they should enact on women and the gayness they should avoid. Would we include the cishet men and exclude the gay cis men? Or rather, include both but insist that the gay men defer to the cishet on matters of sexual attraction?

Or, could we acknowledge that cis gay men are harmed by the sexual expectations that the ace community tends to uphold as allosexual privilege? That gay men are not praised for their sexual attraction to other men but instead reviled and excluded from spaces? We must acknowledge that a proposed axis of oppression that does not hurt all who are subject to it is not an oppression at all. It may be a prejudice. It may be the after effect of another oppression, expressed in multifaceted ways. But it is not on par with other modes of sexuality-based oppression when it does not function in the necessary ways. When definitionally, it is incongruent.

In this way, asexuality is not gender nonconforming like transness or gayness at all. It is, instead, an identity useful for sexual definition. It’s members can be sexually oppressed in a myriad of ways, each that deserves sympathy and support. But not for their asexuality.

For those hypersexualized by society, it can be a reprieve, a space to deconstruct harmful expectations. For those denied sexuality at all, it could be a danger. An asexual community that understands and respects the infantilization of autistic, disabled, nonbinary, and transmasculine people as well as gays, lesbians, and poc denied sexual autonomy is needed. It is one that can safely interact and coexist with the LGBT community.

Note “coexist” — Not include. Through a series of violent events, harmful laws, and long history of death and suffering, LGBT formed. It was not formed based on misogyny, although some members experienced it. It was not formed on your intensity of sexual attraction. It was created over time as a response against policy brutality and punishment for gender nonconformity. There was a time where trans and gay people were considered two sides of the same coin in the worst way. We were both classified medically as sexual inverts. Gay men were trying to act as women by being with men. Gay women were the opposite. And trans women were seen as merely gay men. Where do asexuals fit? It’s nonsensical to input them where they were not. The term “asexual” was used but not in the ways that it is today. And even so, even if it were, it does not change our current reality.

In closing, I want to add more nuance to my goal. It is not to discredit, shame, or disregard asexuality as a community or a tool. For some, it is a space of comfort and belonging, and I would not take it away from them. I would ask that cishet aces and aros respect the boundaries between the LGBT and ace/aro community. I know there are differing opinions from each community, so I won’t claim to speak for the whole LGBT side. And I can’t stop asexuals from including themselves in the LGBT community and convincing others to do the same online or offline. Further, I recognize that including asexuality on a pride post is not the same as including it among our understanding of oppressions.

However, I would ask you to consider what your goals are? General inclusion and support are wonderful. But we must consider the other negative side effects that may result from some ace rhetoric. Why would you instill unnecessary (or at least inaccurate) fears into asexuals? Why must they expect to be medically or sexually abused for their asexuality when they will not be? This misinformation disempowers them from exploring resources related to the true cause(s), such as misogyny, racism, ableism and more. What do you gain from muddling the waters around what real oppression is like?

Why not simply create a separate space for this inclusion of divergent sexual lifestyles, for whatever intensity or situational factors they entail? The LGBT community is not the only validating space, especially when membership comes a such a high price of violence and mortality. Do not align yourself to communities that do not serve you, whose goals do not for your own. All of this discourse has been the result. I would rather we focus inward on intracommunity biphobia, transphobia, transmisogyny, and lesbophobia and outward on laws, marriage, domestic violence, murder, sexual violence and more. Issues that affect our material existence.

#ace discourse #asexuality #aromanticism #aroace #lgbt #lgbt community #intracommunity shit #my post #long post #just so my personal stance is clear #feel free to ask for clarification #but dont expect to change my mind because i’ve been thinking about this shit for five years at least #feel free to add on different experiences based on race #ethnicity gender disability etc #i speak from what i know which is white gay trans nbry disabled adhd etc #plus trauma ✌🏻

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sortagaysortahigh · 3 years

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Zootie’s Guidelines for Requesting

✨These rules apply to ALL of the fandoms I write for. If my main masterlist says requests are closed for a specific fandom, DO NOT send in requests for said fandom.✨

I write for BIPOC!READERS, however specific ethnicities, races, skin tones, etc do not have to be specified in every fic-but it will probably be alluded to. My account is a safe space for BIPOC readers regardless of fandom.

If you’d like to request a specific culture or ethnicity please remember that I do take time to do more research and look further into things to avoid harmful stereotypes in my fics! And if you want a reader to be incredibly specific that’s cool too! Just let me know in your requests and I’ll be sure to add it to the fic’s Author’s note :)

I write Fluff, Angst, and Smut

ALL SMUT WRITTEN WILL BE WITH 18+ READERS. SMUT WILL NOT BE WRITTEN FOR ANYONE UNDERAGE REGARDLESS OF THE FANDOM. I used to write starting at 18 for the obx fandom but I’ve decided from this point forward all smuts will have a reader at the minimum age of 20.

I only write female!reader or nonbinary!reader (I’m working on getting better at nonbinary!reader fics)

And ofc as a member of the lgbtq+ community, I do write for lgbtq+ relationships depending on the fandom ♥

Remember if anything isn’t listed as a do or a don��t just feel free to ask about it and I’ll let you know and update this list :)

✨Do’s✨

The following tropes/AUs:

Enemies to lovers

Friends to lovers/FWB to lovers

Exes to lovers, lovers to exes

Song based fics

Established relationships (dating, engaged, married, parents)

Soulmate AUs

Professor AUs

Mob/Crime AUs

The classic Sugar Daddy AUs (no more than 10 years of an age gap)

The following topics:

Drug use (Marijuana, Dab pens, stoner shit, vaping, possible cigarette use)

Fighting, violence, mentions of weapons *HEAVILY DEPENDENT ON THE FANDOM*

Underage drinking (16+) and drinking in general

Heartbreak, cheating, relationship based fluff/angst/smut

Physical/emotional insecurities

Parental divorce, Mommy/Daddy issues bitch (that was a loving bitch), Familial dysfunction, alongside mentions of familial death in the past

SMUTTY THINGS/KINKS:

Hate sex, make up sex, break up sex, unprotected sex (and cr**mpie), protected sex, oral (m/f giving and receiving), DOM/SUB relationships or undertones, different positions (missionary, doggy, cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, 69, etc), top at the mfin red light

Kinks: Spitting, knife kink, choking, slapping, mild degrading, mild blood kink, daddy kink, handcuffs/being tied up, blindfolding, begging, spanking, breeding, praising, mild voyeur, mild exhibitionism (idk thats it I think), CONSENSUAL somnophelia

✨Dont’s✨

I don’t really write for actors but I am in the hockeyblr fandom so I do write for hockey players so keep that in mind.

The following Tropes/AUs:

Daddy-dom/Little girl AUs

Age Gap AUs over 10 years (ALL age gap readers will be 21 at minimum.)

Non-fiction based Historical AUs (I hate to break it to yall, but bipoc didn’t exactly have an amazing time in history)

Character x Character AUs

The following topics:

Domestic violence/abuse

Drug use outside of stoner shit and nicotine related things

Sexual Assault in any way shape or form. This isn’t something that should EVER be used as a “plot builder” in fanfiction. And if you send me any requests regarding this I am immediately blocking you.

Incest relationships- I’m typically not a judgmental person, but this shit is fucking weird. Hey siri play sweet home Alabama.

The romanticization of mental illness

Teen pregnancy

racism, xenophobia, Homophobia, Transphobia, Misogyny, colorism, prejudice, anti-Semitism, ableism and plain ignorance. (I may mention these in my own fics but don’t put in requests regarding them. it’s that simple)

SMUTTY THINGS/KINKS

Detailed BDSM, dd/lg relationships, step-siblings, don’t ask me for overly detailed descriptions of being a rigger or a rope bunny-I quite litrally cannot deliver on that, pegging

Gun kink, race play, roleplaying, extreme degrading, piss kinks, paraphilic infantilism/age play, mommy kink, lactation kinks (please do not send me this shit I will actually gag), humiliation kink,

#Zootie's Guidelines for Requests

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thewitchofthenorsetrilogy · 5 years

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i don’t use “hate” lightly but i absolutely hate that alt-right groups are taking nordic symbols for themselves, and i didn’t realize it was as much of a problem as it appears to be. I’m also rather upset i didn’t know more sooner, because i have an Algiz tattoo. didn’t know it to be anything but a tube of protection and healing. do you have any suggestions for norse pagans who want to take back our symbols from these hate groups?

Don’t fret! I have an Othala and Algiz tattoo.🖤While it’s certainly important to recognize where our imagery is being misused, we definitely shouldn’t stop using it. When a symbol becomes too closely connected with a racist movement, it becomes theirs – it belongs to the racists and eventually, it’ll be seen as a symbol of hatred. Ultimately then, the symbol is removed from common cultural use. Now is the time to step up and show the world the true meanings of runes, especially since we are in a time where these symbols are being bastardized. If we do not fight this, then white supremacists will continue to perpetuate the message that Nordic paganism is evil, no matter who is practicing it – which is simply not the case. So, how can we reclaim our runes and images?

When talking about Norse paganism talk about our stand against hatred. Make it known that racism, transphobia, homophobia, anti-semitism, misogyny, ableism, and bigotry are not tolerated in the community. Make it known that everyone is welcome to participate in Norse paganism and worship the Norse gods if they choose to. Norse paganism is an open religion and the gods hold no prejudice.

Raise awareness about viking history/culture and make sure it’s known that anyone is welcome to participate and enjoy it. Does your town/state have a yearly Viking festival or reenactment? Go to it! Invite your friends to it, your loved ones, share posts about it on social media so word gets out there is an open-to-all educational, fun space about Norse history. The more interaction non-Norse pagans have with a healthy, welcoming community, the more often that’s what we will be associated with.

Wear our symbols with pride! If someone asks about one, be open with it’s true and original meanings. Let them know why it’s important to you. When someone I worked with found out I got a bindrune tattoo that incorporated Othala they asked me, “isn’t that a nazi sign?”. I was able to tell them no and how the The U.S. National Socialist Movement were the one’s to misuse it, informed them of the original meaning, and they were happy to change their perspective of the rune. I also like to literally where Pride Symbols. I have a rainbow Mjolnir bumper sticker I made for my car. The more our imagery is tied to support, the more people will realize we want to offer support to everyone.

**It is extremely important to note if you’re going to be wearing Othala or any of our symbols currently tied to hate that you wear something to offer your political stance next to it(i.e. blm badge, LGBT flag, anti-fascist pin, GNAR pins, etc)**

This leads to my next point, learn about when which symbols were appropriated and when. If we want to keep our holy symbols free of bastardization we have to know who, when, and why they were appropriated. That way we can better inform others of how recently they were “changed” and for how long in history they had their own meanings.

Actively fight hatred. If we want people to believe in our community is a safe one for everyone we have to be vocal when you see hate within the community. If we just let it slide – on any scale – we’re part of the problem. We have to be vigilant and actively do our best to be allies to every marginalized group of people.

#asks #me #heathens against hate #norse witch #norse pagan #beginner heathen #nordic

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lunarssong · 6 years

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quick little summary/title: this started out as a rant but if you scroll down to the large bold, there’s a metaphor that should hopefully help explain why terfs are so god damn awful and dangerous

me? sending an ask off-anon to a terf because im both pissed and a fucking dumbass? its more likely than youd think

in fact! im not even gonna censor the word terf! if i dont feel like dealing with their bullshit replies and rbs then i literally just fucking wont!! yeah they might send in death threats but guess the fuck what?? im leaving my anon on fuckers, because honestly that shits gonna be funny to me! and if they try to doxx me (very unlikely, but i am trans and its not riskier to mention that because its already obvious, and ive never directly made a post about terfs before, so i really dont know whats gonna happen) or something then like! im a minor! we can sue those shitheads and hopefully bring more media awareness to how god damn shitty terfs are! literally dont even start, lmao.

have the damn ask because i wanna elaborate on it

“hi there! i wish you’d delete your tumblr, because you are dangerous. you are a violent misogynist, and make me ashamed to be a feminist.

you’re gonna attack me because i’m off anon, but you’d probably call me a coward if i was on it, lmao.

anyway! stop disguising your misogyny and transphobia with shitty ass ‘feminism’. i was raised by a feminist with a feminist mom who literally can’t believe y’all exist because your ideas are SO far from actual feminism.

just say you hate trans people and go.”

tbh? its so fucking wild to me how they literally spit out misogyny, transphobia, and lesbophobia but then get all pissy when someone calls them out on it,, but then have the nerve to accuse that person of being misogynistic and lesbophobic? like,, honey. honey, what? the fuck? how much of a dumbass are you?

because like. im a pretty big dumbass! like ive walked into a mirror before because i thought it was a door! im a dumbass!

but even i know that trans women literally cannot discriminate against cis women by saying that theyre (plural, but trans women can 100% use they and thats totally valid) women! because guess the FUCK what?? theyre fucking women! if yall shitheads (terfs) wanna call that misogyny then yall cant call yourselves women either!

if yall assholes wanna call a specific group of lesbians/wlw pointing out, “hey! we experience discrimination because of an entirely irrelevant physical feature we all happen to share that has literally no actual affect on whether or not we are women/wlw” lesbophobia or speaking over minorities then wow.

wow.

wow, are yall gonna be shocked when (if) you realize what the hell yall doing that qualifies as.

oppressors literally depicting and/or committing fucking hate crimes, sometimes even as serious as murder, rape, etc. (this is referring to terfs, i should never have to point that out) is NOT comparable to an oppressed as hell minority saying that people who literally want them dead should not be in safe spaces intended for people of a community they both happen to belong to.

to put this into perspective for yall out there literally worse than garbage (terfs)! imagine this scenario.

youre in a community of women. trans women may or may not be a part of this particular community, shut the fuck up, thats irrelevant. a group of straight women pop up, and start saying that being wlw is misogynistic and harmful to women. this is bullshit. you know that immediately. why wouldn’t it be? you explain to them the obvious reasons why it is not. they ignore you.

they begin to spew utter bullshit, claiming things like “women should never marry other women. you’re ignoring the fact that a man’s place is as a woman’s wife, and basically trying to be men, which is like admitting that men are superior.” or, “as straight women, you flaunting your homosexuality,” the woman gestures to a lesbian couple who aren’t even holding hands and haven’t been touching the whole time theyve been there. one has a small rainbow heart sticker on her purse. “makes me feel threatened in my femininity. (insert plural of 4 letter slur against lesbians that i dont feel comfortable typing a single letter of) arent really women, their existence is heterophobia and misogyny. they shouldn’t be allowed in female-only spaces because they normalize masculinity.”

over time, this group of straight women grows. they call themselves feminists, claim theyre fighting for the rights of all women! unless those women happen to love other women and dont perfectly fit their (cisnormative too but terfs are awful so they like that) heteronormative idea of a woman. they protest at the very idea of saying “significant others”, “partners”, or even “wives and/or husbands” because it doesnt fit their idea of being a woman. because they think having a wife and loving women is only for men.

eventually, they start getting braver and braver. they start going to feminist rallies, and if they spot gay women, or even women they think look gay, theyll get up in their faces, threaten them, call them slurs. theyll try to record them, try to get them fired from their jobs or outed to unsupportive families. or even just expose them to the potential of assault in their day-to-day life. because theyre gay. and that doesnt affect the straight women at all, but they hate diversity and are homophobes. so they need an excuse.

sometimes theyll get their other gay-exclusive feminist friends to record them committing violent acts against wlw feminists, just to take stills from those videos out of context when the gay women defend themselves, and then go crying to the media, twisting the roles of victim and aggressor to paint a violent picture of wlw. they say that feminist rallies should be an event only for real women or allies to their cause—meaning, to them, no wlw, and certainly no mlm. they probably even try to turn all homophobia towards gay men into a sexism issue (they are sometimes tied, but not mostly). but they lose their shit when anyone tries to tell them to get out of these safe spaces for women, because by attacking wlw for literally nothing beyond existing, they are ruining the safe part.

people start to become ashamed to call themselves feminists, and are often lumped in with these homophobes. even if they themselves are gay. straight feminists who love, support, and fight for wlw begin to feel guilty for being straight. new labels for feminist ideology begin popping up, the gay-exclusive feminists strike them down and turn them into jokes.

their end goal is to reverse victories like gay marriage, remove gay representation both in the media and in history books (sometimes even arguing that famous wlw were ‘just close friends’ with their wives or girlfriends), and to send wlw right back to hiding and marrying men for fear of their lives.

all in the name of thinly veiled homophobia feminism!

but wait, you cry, that sounds nothing like feminism! it actually sounds like misogyny and homophobia!

exactly!

think about who yall are the real-life equivalent of in that scenario.

need a hint because youre so brainwashed? try changing ‘gay/wlw’ to ‘trans’, ‘straight’ to ‘cis’, and ‘gay-exclusive’ to ‘terf’.

i doubt any of them will actually read through this, let alone realize their flawed perspective due to it, but hey. maybe ill sway some people who’re on the fence about how horrible terfs are.

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