#tw proship.

[animentality]

#twitter #proship #trauma #tw sa #writing #writers on tumblr #writerscommunity #spilledink #fiction #coping mechanism #therapy #mental health

[theautisticfroglord]

anyways parents who record/post their autistic child having a meltdown are awful people :)

#“but its for awareness!!!!” shut up #there is no excuse #actually autistic #actually autism #meltdown #autistic meltdown #sensory issues #autism #autistic #tw ableism #ableism #autism moms #proship dni #<- this is so those ppl dont interact w this #ik it's unrelated but it's for my safety 🫶

[crimson-rain-smoked-flower]

I’m not trying to attack you, but do you know that proshipper means someone who supports and romanticizes pedophilia, incest, and abuse? Your reblog on that post seems to read that you think antis just hate on people for having ships they don’t like. But it’s completely different than that. Just looking on the proshipper side of Tumblr and the internet and you can see people happily shipping children and adults and making nsfw content of such things.

i appreciate that you're not being outright hostile, but i have to say, that on its own put you above basically every anti i've interacted with.

i understand where antis are coming from, i really do. there are a lot of things on the internet that make me deeply uncomfortable, including the minor/adult ships that you mention. i don't want to anything to do with those kinds of ships and i would be happiest if i never saw them again. which is why i'm proship.

nine times out of ten, if i see that kind of ship brought up on my dash, it's because i was following an anti without realizing it, and they brought it up unprompted and untagged, to talk about how bad it is that they exist. they are the ones putting that kind of content in front of my face and making it harder to avoid.

the thing about people who ship those ships is that they're generally very aware that not everyone wants to see that kind of content, and so they tag it. they make sideblogs to talk about it. they don't go out of their way to shove it in people's faces. that means i, and everyone else who doesn't like it, can avoid it.

what antis want is for it to not exist at all. they want the tags to be purged and blocked, and for anyone who uses those tags to have their accounts deleted. and sure, that might get rid of some of it, but do you know what would happen to the rest? it would stop being tagged. people who don't want to see it wouldn't have the tools to avoid it. this isn't just a hypothetical, that's what's happened any time a fan space has tried to do that.

that's not even getting into the rabbit hole of what should be banned and what shouldn't. obviously any content that depicts real children or real life abuse shouldn't exist and shouldn't be allowed to be posted, but basically any platform that people use already enforces those policies, and there's not much of a slippery slope to go down there. if it involves real living breathing people being abused, it's bad. end of discussion.

but the same can't be said for fiction. ask ten antis for a specific list of all the content that should be banned, and you'll get ten different answers. what about kink? what about roleplay? what about horror and murder and anything that involves fictional characters being graphically tortured? what about people using art to process terrible things that have happened to them? what about art that uses dark themes as a horror element? if you just want to ban anything questionable to anyone, that's the line of thinking that gets any mention of lgbt existence banned. and again, this isn't just a hypothetical, this has happened before, and that's generally where it leads.

i know, from personal experience, that antis do, in fact, send harassment to people just for shipping things they don't like. i've gotten accused of absolutely vile shit for shipping two fictional characters who were both consenting adults. i've seen ship wars turn into moral battlegrounds, over ships that an average person wouldn't bat an eye at.

the thing about "romanticization" is a whole other can of worms. the anti logic goes like this: if someone sees something (even if it's very obviously fictional) in a positive light enough times, they will start thinking it's okay in real life, and go on to hurt real people. the problem with that is that it's just. blatantly untrue.

if it were true every horror movie fan would be a serial killer, every person that studies dark media would be an unhinged psychopath, and everyone who is into ddlg would be a pedophile. but they're not. they just aren't. people have directed movies just as fucked up as the darkest shit on ao3, and are still capable of being normal human beings who know right from wrong in real life.

even if someone is that impressionable, scrubbing away the existence of every piece of questionable content isn't going to solve their problem, because they're still going to be vulnerable to con men, scams, and cultists. the only thing that would actually materially help someone like that is developing their own morals and critical thinking.

children are also more impressionable, and there's a lot of content that's not suitable for them, but that doesn't mean that content shouldn't exist. it just means that they should stick to spaces designed for them (which most social media sites, tumblr included, are not) or, if they're old enough to be responsible for their experience online, they, or a trusted adult in their lives, should block and filter out things that they aren't comfortable with.

which is what everyone on the internet should be doing. it's what i do, and it's made the internet a much more pleasant place to be. and it's why i sometimes worry for antis mental health, especially teenagers, because they're being told it's right and moral to seek out content that makes them uncomfortable and to engage with the people making it. and that's just. really bad. it's not good for the creators that they're harassing obviously, but it's also really bad for them! it's not healthy to seek out things that make you feel bad, and it's a terrible internet safety lesson to teach minors that it's okay for them to seek out and engage with people making adult content.

individual harassment and crusading is never going to succeed at removing dark content from the internet. it just isn't. at best you might get a small percentage of people who create that content to stop sharing it, at worst you're just going to make people stop tagging it, and either way, you're exposing yourself to things that make you feel bad, when you don't have to.

if you want to materially change the type of content you see, you can. the block button is your friend, use it liberally. same with content filtering and tag blocking.

#oops this got really long #cd.ask #proship #disk horse #tw pedophila mention #uhhh what to tag #tw shipping discourse #this doesn't even get into the antis that i've seen proudly professing that they care more about fictional characters than real people #because i don't know how to explain to someone that real humans matter more than cartoon characters #or how to avoid content on platforms other than tumblr bc frankly thats a lot of the reason i don't use them #i don't trust an algorithm #also im turning anon off after posting this so if you want to send me hate you cant be a coward about it #also be prepared to get blocked and ignored #the only reason i answered this person is bc they weren't being hostile

[kiwisandpearls]

“This fiction could be used to groom minors!”

I hate to break this to you but literally any type of fiction can be used to groom minors. Even “unproblematic” fiction.

#talk away ⌞🍵🍋 ⌝ #tw grooming mention #proship safe #proship #profic #profiction #proship please interact #proshippers please interact #profic safe #pro fiction #pro fic #also by saying that #your taking attention away from the groomer and putting it on the fiction

[sparkling-pink-lemonade]

Saw a post of an anti saying that they are leaving AO3, as they are too uncomfortable to post their fics there now. The reason? They found out one of their long time readers was a proshipper, despite their fics having proship dni. And how "that includes silent readers too, I don't want you all looking at my content."

My brother in christ, you are posting on the fiction freedom site. The proshipping site. Dnis aren't god damn restraining orders. They are one tool in helping you display your boundaries. It's still on you to enforce your boundaries. You post something publicly, you forfeit your ability to regulate who can view your work. If you're obsessive enough, you can regulate who actually interacts with your work by stalking each person in the kudos list, comments, or bookmarks and then blocking snyone you don't like, but you do not get a say on who may silently read your posts. Not unless you private your work and only show it to specific people.

And if you don’t want proshippers to interact, get off the profic site.

#proship #profic #tw antiship #anti mention #antis being antis #anti harassment #anti censorship #ship discourse #purity culture #pro ao3 #rant

[locustgirl]

not to be radical or whatever, but i think that maybe calling women and queer people “pedophiles” for fanfiction is actually not the activism you think it is

#it’s almost like words have meaning #and that’s not what that means #and you’re probably harming abuse survivors #instead of protecting actual kids #tw discourse #the last of us #sebaciel #pro ship #proship #pro fiction

[dastardly-crows]

my reaction to seeing people compare the real and horrifying reality of childhood SA and violence to fictional characters who will never experience pain or emotion:

#tags for reach #tw vent #vent post #tw child abuse #tw childhood trauma #sa mention #sa tw #tw sa mention #proshitter #proship #fuck antishippers #fuck antis

[para-normalcanine]

Why are so many proshippers anti-para LMAO. "thought crimes dont exist unless you're a paraphile then your thoughts are disgusting and you're a freak" bro you aren't proship if thats your mentality 😭

#paraphiles please interact #pro paraphile #pro para #proshippers please interact #proship #comship #profic #profiction #tw ableist language #🥩 #🍐 #✅🚢 #🐜👕

[el-sandwhichito-de-geto]

I'm so sorry to say this but, your trauma is not an excuse to dictate what other people can consume in fiction or not.

Your abuser was a proshipper, I'm so sorry you had to endure that, but before being a proshipper, they were, simply, a piece of shit!

The problem is, they'd have been a piece of shit whether they consumed that kind of content or not. People are not black and white. You don't exclusively consume content that you think is right to replicate in real life (you would leave like 90% of anime and fiction out that way), nor do you suddenly start think problematic content is okay to replicate just because you consume it already.

What you experienced is horrible. It was wrong and I'm so so sorry you had to endure that, I really fucking am. But this, applying your trauma-born logic to a bigger population and liking a bunch of strangers online to your abuser because of the media they consume, is not how you cope or deal with the situation.

#pro ship #proshipper #pro shipping #profiction #proship #proshipping #proship please interact #proshippers please interact #discourse #shipcourse #sandwhich rants #tw sa #tw abuse #tw sex assault #tw sex abuse #Sorry if this makes no sense - I'm super duper fucking tired

[extremeshinjienthusiast]

minors are allowed to speak out against child rape fantasy, actually. and you shouldn’t fucking silence them or have the nerve to calm THEM puritans, actually.

#anti proship #anti #anti radqueer #anti lolicon #anti lolisho #tw proshitter

[xx-slug-xx]

//tw- mentions of pedophilia, csem, csa, and lolicon

Guys, please please please don’t use the term CSEM to refer to fictional pornographic drawings that involve fictional characters who are depicted as minors

I can’t believe I have to say this, but I’ve seen too many people, just in the past 24 hours, use the term to describe porn that someone drew

Holy shit, lolicon and the like is not CSEM, CSAM, or CP just because a hypothetical and fictional minor is involved in the art. Those terms are specifically used when talking about real sexual abuse cases involving real-world minors.

Fiction cannot be CSEM because it doesn’t involve the direct sexual exploitation and abuse of a real minor! The creation of these pieces of media do not involve the direct harm of a real minor!

Just say “lolicon” or “fictional porn involving fictional minors”. Just use something, ANYTHING, that isn’t used to specifically identify real life abuse materials! Please just don’t use a term that has this much seriousness attached to it as a means of labeling fictional content that you don’t like, even if it triggers you!

You being uncomfortable doesn’t justify the misuse of a term that is used to directly describe abuse, and it makes real victims of CSEM feel like shit when you label some random anime girl as a “victim” right next to them. Because, get this, when you label something fictional as CSEM, CSAM, or CP, you are inherently insinuating that there is a victim involved in the creation of this media, which is inherently untrue with fiction. STOP DOING THIS!!!

#tw pedophila mention #tw lolicon mention #tw csa mention #tw csem mention #proship #profic #antianti #anti fanpol #comship #anti anti #profiction #proshipping #fandom discourse #proshipper #anti censorship #anti harassment

[theautisticfroglord]

I genuinely hate when people invalidate demiromantic/demisexual/other labels in general by saying somethin like "OMG!!!! why do these labels exist that's how every relationship is!!!!! what has this generation come to?!!?,!?!!"

some people out here are dating someone they just met two days ago. while it literally took me two whole years of getting to know someone before having a crush on them. can y'all please not find excuses to invalidate aspec/arospec people. thanks

#slightly serious post #demiromantic #I am demiromantic #NO HATE TO ANYONE #no hate #demisexual #demi #LGBTQ #aspec #arospec #actually arospec #queer #aro positivity #ace positivity #tw aphobia #tw arophobia #slight rant #proship dni

[chagrin-roses]

so uh,,, that game,,, huh 🔪 🍴 🥩 🧠 🫀

#my art #pintro’s art #the coffin of andy and leyley #andrew graves #ashley graves #andy graves #leyley graves #shipcest #andrew x ashley #gravecest #coffincest #coffinshipping #tcoaal #proship #comship #problematic content #knife tw #sharp objects

[fictionfreedom]

Antishippers if you can eat up content about fictional murderers and cannibals and simp for them but not support them in real life then please shut the actual fuck up about people liking fictional abusers and rapists before I lose my absolute shit

#tw rap3 #tw abuse #profic #proship #comship #pro fiction #antishippers why are you like this

[proficgen]

being an anti must be so stressful like, imagine shipping two characters and then the creator reveals they’re actually related?

Like what do you do??? stop shipping them??? fr?????

What if it turns out that the other character is actually toxic, you gonna just drop all the fanfics and stuff like that?? really?? on god?????

#proship safe #proship #proshippers are valid #proshippers please interact #proship tw #<- just for any anti that has that one blocked dw i got you #i don’t want you here either lmao #anti anti safe #anti anti #i am once again over tagging bc i want ppl to interact with me more #anti antis please interact #profic #profiction #profic safe #oh right and the recent (?) one #comship

[profictionoverhaul]

Anti-shippers DNIs are so stupid.

You don't want to talk to yourself? YOU'RE THE HATEFUL ASS PERSON DUDE!!! Telling people to die IS hateful!!!!

#pro ship blog #pro ship safe #anti anti #pro shipping #anti antis #proship #discourse #anti censorship #pro fiction #anti shipping #tw death wish #i guess?