#we all thought this season would bring hell for Marinette

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hii do you have a list of miraculous fics you think everyone should read at least once?

Anon, I have been excited to answer this request ever since I got it. What better way to celebrate my 50th Rec List (!!!!) than with my favourite fandom fics? 🎉🎉🎉

I've tried to choose fics with a variety of tones, from different fandom eras, and different authors. These fics are all special to me in some way, and whittling this list down was HARD. Others may have fics they think should be on this list, and to those people I say: make your own rec list. This one's mine. 😘

Experimental Kisses by @komorebirei

Ladybug watched him. Maybe it was guilt, maybe sympathy, maybe a streak of playfulness. Maybe the traumatic akuma experience had softened her up. Whatever the reason, a thought wafted lazily through her mind and out of her mouth. “You know… you’re right. It isn’t fair, is it?”

Chat Noir looked up.

“I remember my first kiss, but you don’t.” She hummed and tapped her chin, making a show of remembering. “It wasn’t a bad kiss, but we were in the middle of fighting an akuma, so I didn’t get to enjoy it much, either.”

Oops—that came out sounding a little, no, a lot more flirty than she had intended. Anyway, if she was going to commit to this idea, she may as well go all in.

One-shot. Ladybug offers to kiss Chat since he doesn’t remember their kiss and the way she reacts to the kiss…it lives in my mind rent-free. I have fallen asleep many a night fantasizing about what the repercussions of the kiss might look like. One of my absolute favourite Ladynoir fics.

team is a four letter word by @ladyofthenoodle

Alya didn’t want to come between Ladybug and Chat Noir. But she didn’t want to stop being Rena Rouge either. And if Chat Noir didn’t want to talk to her, then she’d need to find a different way to prove all three of them could be a team.

Her plan unintentionally brings a few secrets to light, which leads to even more secrets coming to light, which leads to… well, Alya is sure it’ll all work out eventually.

Multi-chapter. Warning, this fic is a WIP! (But there’s only one chapter to go.) Honestly, I didn’t want to have any WIPs on this list and I was lowkey hoping that it would be finished before I posted this list but I’m obsessed with this one and couldn’t leave it off. It’s literally one of the BEST fics in the entire fandom and, I think, the absolute best delving into the characterization and relationship dynamics of the core four. This fic feels so dynamic and complex, with all of the characters feelings so like themselves and each having their own distinct voices. The conflict is so well done and so realistic. It’s such a fantastic tackling of the issues that came up in the last couple seasons and I cannot rave about it enough!!

œuf ouch owie by @ominousunflower

Chat Noir enlists Rena Rouge's help to create an Aspik illusion. Absolutely nothing goes wrong.

Ladybug smiles. “I wanted to drop by and welcome Aspik. I know it must be a little intimidating, being surrounded by so many veteran heroes…so, welcome! We’re glad to have you on board.”

“I look like an egg!” Aspik announces, T-posing.

Chat turns to Rena, feeling like he has been punched in the solar plexus. What the hell? he mouths.

Rena grimaces, her eyes wide with panic. Stomach sinking, Chat remembers one of the first things he learned about the Fox Miraculous: that if Rena Rouge isn’t focused, her illusions go haywire.

Oh, no.

One-shot. This is hands down the FUNNIEST fic in the entire fandom asdfghjkl like I have read this fic at least 50 times and I still laugh out loud every single time. If you have somehow failed to read this fic before, read it now. You won’t regret it!

lucky (we're in love in every way) by @carpisuns​

Chat Noir is Adrien, and Marinette is freaking out. If she manages to quiet her internal screaming, maybe she can also find the guts to tell him her identity too. And maybe they'll actually live happily ever after—well, as soon as Tikki and Plagg are done humiliating them.

One-shot. This fic just makes me so incredibly happy. Like it puts a smile on my face every single time I read it (and I have read it many, many times!) I love Marinette’s reactions and Adrien’s sweetness and the kwamis just absolutely ROASTING both of them. Marissa has written a ton of amazing fics for this fandom (seriously we are so lucky to have her) and I was tempted by others (like tell me something i don't know) but in the end, I had to follow my heart with this one.

Your Kitty by @gabriel-agreste-has-no-rights​

“Such a dramatic kitty.” Marinette scratched under his chin, bringing a smile to his face and a purr to his throat.

Your kitty, he didn’t say.

Wait. What?

(The one where Chat Noir thinks he needs pats like a cat, only to find out he may have jumped to the wrong conclusion.)

One-shot. When I think of Marichat, this is THE fic I think of. Adrien being touch starved is 100% my headcanon now. This is just so sweet! Marinette’s affection and Adrien’s determination to do the right thing no matter the personal cost and the way they fell for each other without meaning to... Also I love that they both encouraged the other to go back to their original crushes because that makes so much sense!!

rattle my cage by @lnc2​

In which history, despite Alya's best efforts, does not repeat itself.

One-shot. I am always here for Adrien being rash and Marinette being smart and capable and just switching to treating him as Chat absolutely seamlessly after a reveal. I absolutely love the vibes of this one.

Chasing the C/h/atwalk. by @runningoutofink

Paris. The city of lights, love and fashion. Follow the progress of Marinette Dupain Cheng as she enters the extremely competitive world of Reality television for a chance to be the winner of Project Runway: France.

Multi-chapter. It should come as no surprise by now that I’m a sucker for reality tv and this is my absolute favourite reality cross in the fandom! I love that it’s canon compliant, and frankly the idea of Marinette and Adrien as designer and model on Project Runway is friggin’ BRILLIANT. The slow burn and pining are delicious, and the identity reveal is incredibly well done! (And it has a steamy sequel, Meet me in the Middle, which is 🔥🔥🔥 and intensely satisfying after all of that build up.)

daydream by @clairelutra

you're my daydream

you know that i've been thinking about you lately

In which Adrien finds out Ladybug is Marinette, and beats the 'this is fine' dog at his own game.

One-shot. Shout-out to the author for realizing way before canon let on that Adrien is way more likely to figure out Marinette than the reverse! And then absolutely murdering us with this intense slow burn that absolutely drips with mutual pining and UST.

What Will You Do When Everyone Knows? by @sariahsue

They stepped in closer, shoulder to shoulder to catch the akuma as she landed, but she twisted in midair, landing squarely in front of Cat Noir, swiping at him. He stepped back, trying to keep his balance. Her fingertips almost touched his face, and Ladybug felt her stomach lurch.

“Duck!” she yelled to him as she whipped her yoyo around. He did, but unfortunately, the akuma woman did, too. Ladybug suddenly had no target to latch onto and lost her balance. Her stomach twisted again as she pitched forward. Black hands darted forward to catch her, but too late she realized it wasn’t her partner. Cold gloves caught her shoulder and neck, then slid up her face, brushing past her earrings. Cold. The woman’s touch froze Ladybug’s breath in her throat.

Then there was something warm around her middle. Cat Noir’s shout sounded distant as he pulled her away. As the woman’s black gloves left her face, Ladybug felt even more heat being pulled from her, along with… something else.

Multi-chapter. There really isn’t another fic in the fandom like this one. The akuma is original and provides an absolutely amazing premise for this fic. We have mystery, intrigue, and a huge upset to the status quo with the public revealing of Ladybug’s identity. I also loved the dramatic irony of Marinette being unable to understand Chat’s reactions to things that make perfect sense to us readers. It’s got amazing characterizations and suspense, and I love it!

But All I’m Seeing Is You by @chelseaapproved

After Ladybug finds out Adrien is her Chat Noir, they start dating. She didn’t think it’d be so hard to keep her identity a secret from him. She also didn’t realize how much it would affect her friendship with him as Marinette.

One-shot. This might be my favourite ladrien of all time. It’s only about 5k, but man does it ever pack in a lot of emotion and relationship development and I really, really, really love it.  I really felt how much they love each other in this one and Marinette is just so, so wonderful to Adrien and he’s so wonderful to her and if you haven’t already please read this.

A Miraculous Reveal by @kasienda​

Series of one-shots and drabbles all centered around The Reveal Moment. Identities will be revealed, feelings will be confessed, and secrets will be discovered through contrived situations, accidents, meddling friends, desperate moments, and moments of emotional vulnerability. Each chapter is a self contained piece. Love-square focused, but will not remain exclusive to them. Each chapter will have its own trigger warnings.

Collection of one-shots. I feel a little like I’m cheating in including a collection here, but like most of us in this fandom, I’m an absolute sucker for identity reveals, and @kasienda is especially talented at writing them! Every single one of these is beautiful, amazing and worth reading at least once.

the wonderful part of the mess that we made by heresie_irisee

They knew.

They knew, and there would be no magical reset button for the memories they'd made today. She'd have to  see him at school every day, and she'd see the Chat in him, as surely as  he'd see the Ladybug in her.

One-shot. Oblivio is probably my favourite episode and this is such a great alternate take on it. The mutual pining is so, so, so good! Especially love Marinette struggling to assimilate Adrien’s identities and Adrien’s obliviousness.

The following fics are amazing and absolutely worth reading, but do feature sexual content, so minors beware.

The Ladybugs and The Bees by @bullysquadess

AKA the early-fandom Ladynoir puberty fic that spiraled waaaaay out of proportion.

Multi-chapter. I’ve avoided reccing this fic for so long as it was literally the most kudosed fic in the entire fandom when I joined. However, the kudos are well-earned and I can’t make a list of must reads without including it. I love the ladynoir, the way it builds slowly, the focus on the developing relationship, both physical and otherwise, the yearning and the devotion and the vulnerability. And, of course, the steamy scenes are fantastic!! The whole thing is just so well developed and feels so grounded and real. I absolutely love it.

one night of moonlight by @mirthaculous

i’ll always think of you

inside of my private thoughts

i can imagine you

touching my private parts

2:13 ok im texting you now like i promised instead of drunktexting adrien and telling him how badly i want his cock tonight. arent you proud of me?

2:19 this is Adrien, hi.

Marinette’s brain-to-mouth filter isn’t great on the best of days. Add some beer and some misplaced texts, and things get a little more… interesting.

One-shot. Rated M. This is one of my favourite fics of all time. This is so steamy, seriously the UST is off the charts!! It is absolutely unreal how much these two want each other and the mutual pining and they’re so stupid and this fic literally killed me and I thanked it.

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[simp-ly-the-best]

i hate marinette, here's why. (i don't hate her, i just don't like her.)

Reasons why i hate her:

Marinette’s behavior is just way too creepy and it’s NOT endearing when she sniffs his pillow or stalks him.

She’s become too boring and is annoyingly insecure about everything, and you’d think that after a lot of time around Adrien she’d get used to being around him but no because plot

Adrien would be a more interesting character but there’s almost no focus on him.

Chloe could be such a great character and I honestly thought she’d be developed and fleshed out into a complex, relatable teen, but now that the creator’s like “oh she’s just evil” then i don’t know why the heck they spent episodes “developing” her and making her Queen Bee. So many key moments and characteristics, like her abusive mother and idiot father, all down the drain.

Lila was a character added purely to add stupid drama and is basically unnecessary and annoying.

The whole romance is so convoluted and stupidly written. And I don’t see a point in bringing Luka and Kagami into the mix if Adrien and Marinette will obviously get together anyway by Season 10 or something.

At thiis point Marinette should get with Kagami and Adrien with Luka cause they clearly have more chemistry than Adriennete

The akuma thing is so old now and they’ve even recycled villains. They have no creativity anymore. I am SICK of freaking Reflecta (don’t know if i got that right) appearing all the time.

Chat Blanc. Enough said.

Some people say she is a Mary Sue. Yes she has the attributes like perfect family, OP abilities she has two powers not just one. Chat's night vision is never used, her Lucky Charm and Miraculous Ladybug is an episodic ability. She is the only one who can do anything about akumas and amoks. She learnt how to fence out of nowhere, like Kagami and Adrien struggled with it for years she now has this ability too. At kawmi swap she uses the Cat miraculous without any issues and Adrien doesn't know anything. She uses a bunch of kwamis in one go, with knowledge. She becomes the Guardian when she made a huge mistake. Etc. I could go on why is she considered a Mary Sue, but honestly I don't consider her one. Zoey Redbird is the real Mary Sue in my eyes.

She is portrayed as a stalker for giggles. This is where the writers ruined a fine character. Do you watch anime? The stalker girl turns out to be a yandere, makes the protagonist's life hell, kills off his parents, friends, girlfriend, even in some cases the protagonist too. Yanderes have shrines of the protagonist's stuff, break into his house, follow home. Marinette is not that far away to turn into a yandere trope only for laughs.

She admitted herself that she is a stalker. She stole four phones trough the series (Adrien's in Copycat, Chloé's, Alya's and Kagami's phone in Ikari Gozen, but at first she gave her phone to Marinette wilingly), she stole the photographer's harddrive, tricked Chloé a bunch of times out of jealousy and nearly ruined Kagami's chances with Adrien.

She broke into his room as Ladybug, sniffed his pillow. I hate how she acted as an obsessive stalker when she entered.

She followed Adrien and Lila in Onii-chan home, she was ready to climb the wall and even asked a fireman for his ladder.

How she wanted to ask out Adrien in Simpleman. She ditched four kids with his usually tense grandpa to repair Adrien's angel wings. Because she was so shy to ask him out to the movies in this episode and Adrien too rushed back to his photoshoot. To have a chance with him she was ready to just ruin the wings again with a fishing rod. Yeah the Guardian ladies and gentlemen.

It still creeps me out that she knows everything about Adrien but she barely can talk with him. I used to know a bunch of stuff about my ex boyfriend because he was the one who told me or with time I found out a lot about him as we dated, spent time together or I got to know his precious people. Marinette knows everything about Adrien without asking him (Gamer, Befana, Goridzilla and Kung Food where I remember they talking about stuff). She knows his favorite color, fruit, his schedule for the next 5 years (I bet even Adrien doesn't know what his father planned), she knows his life but doesn't know him as himself. Samd thing can be said about Ladynoir but they have to protect their identities and at least Chat tries to know his partner only for her to remind him that they can't know anything.

She made macaroons for him every weekend, she made him gifts for his 30 years of birthdays bunch of little weird stuff.

She kissed his “wax” statue worst episode ever, the moment I started to dislike her.

She is a hypocrite with the rules. Alya and Nino can know, Alya can know her identity, but Chat can't know anything, he can't tell his identity to Nino. Alya, Nino and Luka were revealed yet they can still be holders, no matter that she risks their lives and she could choose new ones. Still Kagami probably won't be Ryuko ever again, Chloé couldn't be Queen B in season 3.

Lukanette. New York special she was moving on from Adrien only for everyone and their mother pushed her into Adrien's arms. She was dating Luka, he was dating Kagami. Still we see in Truth too that even her boyfriend Luka knows that she is obsessed with Adrien yet he is dating her without any jealousy. Poor Luka you deserve better.Give this man a fucking break.

She as the Guardian. I don't like that the we are equals plot is out of the window. Now she “can make/create anything the universe is the limit", so she can make charms, summon miraculouses, save the day as a civilian not let Scarabella or Chat save the day once.

The writers could have done so much with this show and this is why I am so bitter that they waste pretty good characters for no reason. Just think about that Marinette has a good story arc in the first two seasons. She stood up to Chloé, finally acted on her feelings, broke down under the pressure of being the Guardian. Yet they had to throw in the stalker, obsessive nearly yandere trope for fun to ruin her. I wish at least one character would call her out for it and she would learn from it. I wish that in season four she really moved on with Luka so her obsession would end. But no we can't have development.

Still she is a fictional character, I hate how the writers write these characters.

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[geekgirles]

So we're going the Feligami route, huh?

Disclaimer: I am well aware of the contents of the leaks. However, I will not discuss them in my posts out of respect for my fellow Miraculers that wish not to be spoiled. So, please, if you read this and are aware of the spoilers as well, refrain from discussing them. At the very least don’t do it on the notes. Please and thank you.

Before I say anything else, I want to first make it clear that this is in no way meant as an attack towards Feligami shippers. Just because I don't share your enthusiasm for the ship doesn't mean I'm going to declare war on its supporters. I just...I just need to get this out of my chest. Because I have so many feelings, and thoughts, and opinions regarding these two as a couple and its execution...and not necessarily of the good kind.

You might be thinking my main beef with Kagami and Félix dating may come from the fact that, morals aside, these two are too similar.

Both are intelligent, capable, well-educated kids from rich families who at first glance have a more dignified and serious vibe going on as opposed to Adrien's more laid-back rich kid energy. A perfectly crafted image of elegance and aloofness that underlies strong emotions, a mischievous side, and a warm heart (which in Félix's case sort of contradicts his gremlin child personality from previous seasons, but that's a topic for another day).

However, while that does play a part in my disinterest in the ship, it is actually the least of my concerns.

So please let me explain why I just can't help but roll my eyes at this development:

1. It's rushed and feels forced:

Leaving aside the obvious reality that it is that Félix has only been featured in 7 episodes in the entirety of the show (with his Multiplication appearance being important but minor), there is also the fact that these two have interacted thrice in all that time. 

With their first interaction back in Gabriel Agreste being reduced to giving a side-glance to each other. And not even a friendly one.

Truly, they are soulmates...

Now, the irony doesn’t escape me regarding the fact that some of the Love Square issues come precisely from the fact that it’s taken them too long for Adrienette to be canon. One of my personal issues with Feligami happens to be that their relationship came a tad too soon. 

Can you please explain to me how do we go from “I begrudgingly acknowledge your existence” to “I can’t stop thinking about you”? I’m sorry, but that is too much of a shoujo manga cliché even for Miraculous. 

Mainly because that was basically the kind of dynamic Marinette would have had with Félix had he remained Chat Noir and Astruc, being cognizant of this fact, chose to scrap him because of that.

Because at least Marinette crushing on Adrien after thinking he was a jerk comes from the fact that he went out of his way to apologise to her, make amends, and show he is truly kind at heart. Feligami just comes out of nowhere.

Moreover, their current relationship status also feels forced due to their previous interactions. I’m sorry, but let’s face it, nobody in their right mind would think falling for or even trusting Félix/Argos is a good idea. 

If my memory doesn’t fail me, in Multiplication Ladybug and Chat Noir declared Félix as a public enemy due to willingly betraying them and allying himself with Shadow Moth, which directly resulted in him getting the miraculouses and becoming Monarch. (I could be mistaken on this one, though)

And as former miraculous holder, someone who is aware of the fact that the power is granted by sentient beings whose fates are unknown to them, there is just no way Kagami would come to even consider trusting Argos. 

And don’t try to bring her friendship with Lila up because at least there she has the excuse of not being aware of the full extent of Lila’s maliciousness and manipulations. In Félix’s case, she is 100% aware of what he’s capable of. 

Hell, he literally snapped her loved ones out of existence! And regardless of how terrible Tomoe is, she is still Kagami’s mother and she loves her. Just how she adores Marinette who, to her knowledge, Félix almost killed for real.

And you expect me to believe she would just move past that? Please, don’t insult me like that.

As much as I love my girl Kagami, there really isn’t enough content between these two to justify either of them falling for the other. 

Which sort of leads us to my next point...

2. The implications behind the ship:

There are a lot of unfortunate implications between their interactions. The kind that makes this pairing becoming canon very questionable because it just wouldn’t bode well in any long-term relationship, let alone a real one. And this actually comes from both sides. 

But let’s start with Félix, okay?

Ah, yes. The ring close-up.

What was originally meant as a “mere” confirmation of the fact that Kagami is most likely a sentimonster as well (a shock in itself if you didn’t buy the Sentimonster Theory), has the unfortunate side effect of implying the main, or even sole, reason Félix ever developed a crush on her is because the two are sentimonsters...and that’s it. 

Which is a terrible thing to base an entirely relationship on, because it would mean that Félix isn’t in love with Kagami as her own person. Because, quite frankly, he barely knows her to really come to appreciate her as such. But rather, his interest is born from the fact that the two are one and the same. 

It just reads as Félix being desperate for companionship, instead of actively looking for Kagami’s companionship.

And speaking of things that just don’t bode well...Kagami’s side in all of this isn’t much better. 

Ever since she was first introduced as Adrien’s potential alternative love interest, or more accurately, ever since Frozer, Kagami has made it a point to let Adrien know she wishes he were more proactive and assertive, which sort of culminated with that harsh phone call from Risk. 

And would you look at that!

Aside from his more manipulative side, being more proactive and assertive than Adrien sort of is Félix’s deal! Looks like Kagami finally found her match after all...

Sigh...

All that would be fine and dandy if it weren’t for the fact that all of season 5 so far, and especially Protection, have shown Adrien finally taking measures to try and be more in control of his life. Which good for him! We all know he needed the character development. Unfortunately this also comes with the canon fact that his new personality also reignited the flame of Kagami’s love for him. Which, again, was the main conflict in Protection: 

Kagami trying to keep her own growing feelings and jealousy in check now that Adrien and Marinette are an item. 

And where does this leave Feligami at?

Well, coupled with the fact that for some weird reason the Fathoms and Agrestes couldn’t be bothered to give their children individual looks, that is to say, that Félix is a carbon copy of Adrien and that Kagami was once again in love with him (Adrien) because he was finally turning into the kind of person she always dreamed he would be...let’s just say it all feels as if Kagami is projecting her feelings for Adrien onto Félix, rather than learning to love him for who he is. 

And that is just not fair for either character. Because it feels as if neither Félix or Kagami are being loved for who they truly are, but for what the other wants them to be. Which is the wrong approach to any relationship.

4. Kagami deserves a girlfriend

5. Even though my previous point is (half) meant as a joke, given what’s happened in Pretension it still holds a certain weight. Mainly because what ultimately seems to endear Félix to Kagami is the fact that some of his mannerisms remind her of Marinette.

I'm not making this up. Félix suddenly acting like a mess around Kagami could not be any more of an obvious parallel to Marinette's own bouts of nervousness around Adrien throughout the show.

Let’s that sink in for a minute, okay?

You’re telling me, Kagami for the most part is justifiably and understandibly hostile towards Félix, but the moment he starts acting like Marinette her whole demeanour softens? You say that she cares for Marinette so much that anything that resembles her becomes an immediate soft spot for Kagami?? And I’m supposed to believe she’s falling for Félix instead of getting deadass gayer for Marinette each passing episode????

Now, if that’s not a comphet narrative when I see it...

Which, combined with my previous point about Kagami projecting her feelings for Adrien onto Félix, only gives further credibility to the popular “fanon” idea that Kagami is bi. Now, if you could just let her meet some nice girl from her fencing class and let her explore that side of herself in peace instead of forcing her into a nonsensical relationship, that’d be great. 

6. It just reinforces the show’s blatant amatonormativity

Believe it or not, this is actually my main beef with the pairing. This is what makes me grit my teeth and roll my eyes in annoyance.

I get it, I get it. 

“Miraculous takes a lot of inspiration from rom-coms”, “it’s a show based on magical girls; of course romance is important!”, “the Love Square is one of its main pillars, what did you expect?”

I know. 

However, and I cannot stress this enough, you do not need to be in a romantic relationship to be happy and fulfilled. Not only because of the existence of these wonderful groups of people called aromantics and aroace people, but even the most straight, cisgendered, hopeless romantic can be perfectly content single. 

Also, being in a relationship is just not something Kagami and Félix’s characters need. But the writers insist that being romantically involved with someone is the only viable happy ending for anyone.

In Kagami’s case, in my humble opinion, taking control of her life from her controlling and strict mother while working on building stronger platonic relationships with her friends would be a very satisfying way to conclude her character arc. Because as touching as it was to see everyone assuring Kagami that they love her in Perfection, aside from Marinette and Adrien the only person her age she’s been interacting with is Lila. 

Not exactly the image of honesty and genuine support one would expect in a friendship, huh?

Maybe it’s just me, but seeing the once lonely and socially awkwad Kagami aurrounded by people she’s actually friends with rather than kids that hang out with her by association (that is to say, they are either Mari or Adrien’s friends too and that day they just happen to be all together) would feel like we’ve come full circle. 

From the aloof and lonely girl that is only focused on being the best and making her family proud we met in Riposte...

...to the warm and happy girl who greatly values her social circle she’s slowly been turning into.

And as for Félix...

Well, truth be told, the show hasn’t really given us much to work with. But maybe a happy ending for him would be if aside from finally being free like he wants to be, he rekindles his relationship with Adrien. If the two really were close in the past, then it would be a pity to lose that. 

But no. 

Instead, the show just has to reinforce the idea that the only way you can possibly be happy is by being in a romantic relationship. Never mind if they have neglected that subplot for so long it just comes completely out of the blue and feels unearned. 

I love Miraculous, I love the Love Square, and I am a shipper first and a person second, but this is ridiculous and a huge disservice to all parties involved.

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[lnc2]

Okay, I watched it-

I get why people are upset, completely. I 100 percent agree. Were there good points? Yes, but there were definitely way more bad points to the ep. I really hope season 6 fix’s some holes that this left.

I will however make myself feel better with the thought that when marinette put the amok ring on Adriens finger, that was just her proposing and now they’re married despite being so young and I will die on this hill. It’s the only real happiness it can bring out of the whole thing

i mean for me the happiness in marinette giving adrien his ring and trying to ensure he wears it is her trying to make sure adrien maintains control of his freedom. that’s a great thing.

honestly the questions that are supposed to carry through to the next season don’t bother me so much as the way it played out. like i said before we waited five seasons for this confrontation and chat noir just… isn’t there? adrien doesn’t get some hand in taking down this man who has hurt him so much? instead so much screen time was given to the specials characters (to show the scope of gabriel’s plan? to give a cinematic look at all these heroes working together? ladybug and paris isn’t alone (but adrien in his weird box without even plagg is the very definition of it).

adrien being the princess in the tower is a major motif in this show. i love it, i respect it. i also hate it.

people can say “just wait until next season, you don’t have all the facts, the show isn’t complete” all they like but that doesn’t mean that we can’t be disappointed/unsatisfied about something. obviously the show is continuing but when you are told that a major arc is coming to an end you expect some of the major through lines to have a conclusion or at least to bring together the core part of the show to witness it.

i know the nature of the wish, the fact that gabriel “won”, means that the fabric of their reality is altered even if we don’t know how. that gabriel being considered a hero is temporary, that the weird sparkly hollow perfection is the point, that marinette not telling adrien about his father is the brewing conflict, as well as lila and whatever cosmic horror terrified her at the end. that doesn’t mean that in a show called the adventures of ladybug and chat noir, where they’ve spent five seasons building up towards defeating hawkmoth, a final battle that doesn’t include the other half of that equation is unsatisfying.

do we know if gabriel is gone for good? no not really. but him being dead in the text as we have it now and adrien not being able to confront the reality that not only was his father horrifically abusive to him in his daily life but that he has actively been trying to kill him as a superhero months (?) feels so empty as viewers who have been watching this story unfold over years. gabriel saw that ladybug was marinette- i would have killed to see him realize adrien was chat noir. do i think it would have changed his actions? no. would it have hit something we as an audience have been waiting for for years? hell yes.

as i said before it may very well be that the finale ages better through the lens of s6. but in this moment where it’s been built up as “the end of an era” and the closing of a major chapter- some of the decisions that were made just make me feel… empty.

#ml spoilers #ml recreation #ml recreation spoilers #thoughts #you can love a show and know it’s not over and still not like plot points #we can contain multitudes #long post

[sizzleissues]

Thoughts on conformation and recreation

Going to put heavy spoilers and theory stuff under a cut but just starting off saying I liked it. I do feel negative about certain aspects but I’m 90% certain that was intended. We’re supposed to be going ‘wait a minute’ about this ending.

The action was amazing and the animation gorgeous in parts. I really like BugNoire’s design.

Overall it didn’t disappoint me which I feel is the only thing and ending shouldn’t do. You can happy, mad, sad etc. about an ending but those emotions are most of the time intentional. But if it comes with disappointment then something has gone wrong. (Excluding minor stuff)

Anyway time to get specific

I love the mystery we still have with all that happened. I think it’s concluded what needed to end and left us with questions to answer in the following two seasons.

Are we supposed to think this was a ‘good/happy’ ending?

What’s up with Gimmi?

Will Marinette tell Adrien/ will Adrien find out and how will it impact both of them?

Is it Emilie or Amelie?

Who the heck visited Lila at the end?

What’s going to happen next?

Those are the questions I see people asking and trying to answer. None of those questions feel unanswerable and it’s plenty of fodder for speculation and fics in the coming year as we wait for season 6. I do want to know whether the special is pre or post season 5 because that will definitely affect things. I can’t see the reveal happening in a special but it’s certainly something to think about.

I think what made the finale special is the many layers it has, things that at first viewing you might miss. For example I saw someone in the last hour point out Marinette quite literally had a nightmare about what would happen if she reacted harshly (aka killed that motherfucker gabe) towards Monarch. Even though Marinette is shown to be an empathetic character and would probably try to talk it out anyway if she saw victory through it, that nightmare definitely pushed her to be more trusting.

In a way it worked. I believe that Gabriel’s wish was to trade his life for Nathalie’s and be able to join Emile. Marinette’s passion sort of proved to him that there were people who cared about Adrien still around even though he’d run out of time by the time he’d realised that neither Emile or Adrien wanted this.

He’s still a villain, he died a villain but that minor change of heart (as he said to Gimmi for his desire to simply read his heart) ensured Adrien would have Nathalie as a parental figure, maybe even bringing Amelie over to take more active care in her nephew and the freedom to be with Marinette, a girl who proved in Gabriel’s last moments that she would love Adrien no matter what. He’s still a villain in that his narcism demanded Marinette not to reveal the truth, remade the world to praise him for his sacrifice and probably a whole bunch of other issues that will unravel in season 6.

(In terms of him and Emile ascending, I don’t believe Gabriel got to go to ‘heaven’ or dragged Emile down to ‘hell’. He just got to be with her and got to have a peaceful death where they can be buried side by side. He isn’t getting an eternal reward for this.)

((If turns out to be Emile alive we’ll just have to see))

Whatever happened, there is obviously something wrong with this new world. It goes against all the motifs set up in previous episodes. I agree with the consensus that we are not supposed to feel entirely good about this ending. Uneasy for the future, nervous for Adrienette, curious about how it’ll unfold.

My feelings about the finale will probably change with season 6 coming out.

(Istg if when Lila-moth is taken down it’s not both Adrien and Marinette I will scream. Let them defeat her together. I get why they couldn’t be together for Gabriel, Adrien would still freak (especially with the nightmares) and he’s still under Gabriel’s control. I’d hoped they’d make it work but I think all the previous reveals/endings proved they couldn’t both take him down. Adrien would be made too fragile and Gabriel is difficult to reason with. I think the only thing that made him a little bit more able to listen to reason was because he was dying so the wish would have had to fix that too etc.)

#miraculous ladybug #ml recreation #recreation spoilers

[gale-gentlepenguin]

I feel like it would have been more likely for marinette to believe lila's lies, especially since she feels guilty for the whole volpina thing and we know she's very forgiving (if the season 5 finale showed us anything) but maybe that's just me.

Marinette may have felt guilty… but I don’t think she would believe lies because of it. What could be is that Marinette doesn’t call her out initially, make it so that she’s afraid of jumping the gun like before. How bad can a few white lies actually be?

As for the season 5 finale, let me explain.

Because in truth Marinette did try and stop Gabriel from making the wish, she was impacted by that nightmare that akuma Gabriel gave. She didn’t want Gabriel to die by her actions, even though he was awful. She saw what she believed was a dying man driven to madness to try and bring his family back. All combining to make Marinette NOT want to finish the fight and try to make some sort of happy ending for Adrien because she loves that boy. And of course this leads to the f***ed situation.

Does she tell everyone that the villain won? Does she sacrifice the peace finally attained, does she tell Adrien that his father was a terrorist that was willing to let the world burn to revive the mother he loved so much?

Marinette was left in a position where she is forced to accept what happened and sacrifice her mental comfort for the sake of not causing the peace she fought for get torn asunder.

It really sucks, the episode still is FUCKING awful and I still stand that it is the worst finale I’ve seen in this show. But I don’t fault Marinette here because she is in character, I fault the writers and show runners that thought this was a good way to end season 5, have the bad guy gaslight Paris and emotionally blackmail a teenager to handle the repercussions of a selfish wish that he made. I pray season 6 revives him just to throw him in hell so that way we can actually have the villain pay for his crimes instead of getting redeemed.

#miraculous ladybug #ml #ml season 5 salt #ml season 5 #ml critical #I didn’t mean to get so fired up #but damn it #I HATE this finale more then I hate Reflekdoll #and that’s saying something

[nothingtherefornow]

Honestly, the fact that people to get so offended over the idea of Chloe and Lila being worse than Gabriel. Kind of makes me roll my eyes ar people screeching about the misogny of two teenage girls being called evil.

Both Chloe and Lila have both have been shown to knowingly willingly try to take advantage of the fact that Gabriel is an abuser to use for their benefits…

The reason I honestly agree with the assessment that they are both worse than Gabriel comes down to one simple thing. If you took away the miraculous from Gabriel, he probably wouldn’t have the guts to do literally any of the stuff that he does. All his confidence and all his power to do what he does come from the fact that he has that magical brooch.

Chloe and Lila have both been shown to not need a miraculous to want to do evil things to people. It is it so shocking to people the idea that teenage girls can be pretty awful coming from a girl who was frequently bullied by other teenage girls yeah teens can be awful to each other.

Portraying something in fiction doesn’t equate to condoning/normalizing behavior.

I adore this analysis of yours ^^ ! Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts :) Even if I'm a girl myself I was a little bothered that fans felt so ofended over the idea that Lila and Chloé could be worse than Gabriel. But for me it was kinda logic that they would be worse than him, because they are supposed to be the next Big baddies once Monarch is out of the picture. And Ladybug and Chat Noir became strong enough that the ml writters will have to put them against crazier villains in order to rise up the stakes

I had never thought of the kind of person Gabriel would be without the butterfly miraculous, but I think we had a glimpse of it in the episode Queen Wasp where he was ready to stop everything for Adrien's sake (and he even complimented Marinette, while in this season 5 she seems to be the second person he despises the most after Ladybug T_T). It is also the period when Gabriel had not yet developed the habit of controlling Adrien with his amok. Gabriel had not been totally corrupted by power yet in this episode, while for season 5 there is no doubt that he has descended into madness and took a liking to evil, but it was a slow descent into hell, he got worse every season, and his abusive, toxic and obsessive behavior also escalated.

Chloé and Lila on the other hand ... They're different. Of course there was a period when Chloé softened between season 2 and season 3, but the Derision episode will show us how bad she really was, and unfortunatelly became once again. This episode will also reveal how much Chloé has a very twisted and wicked view of how the world works.

And Lila is no better, if not worse. I still get goosebumps thinking back to this scene when she's cutting Marinette's face from a bunch of photos she took from a distance either by herself or by paying somoene to do it, declaring loud and clear "soon you'll have no one and nothing left Marinette". My only though after this scene was : PSYCHOPATH !

And I don't know if you've read the bible, but (SPOILER WARNING FOR THIS PARAGRAPH !) the fact that Lila can go as far as managing 3 false identities at the same time just to get attention and popularity is kinda messed up. Also her intelligence level must be as good as Felix's if she can pull something like that so easilly (also it probably helps her that most ml character are guillible dummies ^^')

And let's not forget that Chloé and Lila willingly got themselves akumatized at one point just because they were offended. They are willing to wreck havoc for the most pettiest reasons of all.

And also, while during season 5 Gabriel is mostly motivated by his madness and hunger for power and control, his original purpose was still intriguing and understandable, to bring a loved one back to life.

Lila and Chloé on the other hands, what do they want, what are their motivations ? Simple : destroying the life of another teenager girl who barely did anything to them. They are only motivated by petty jealousy and the desire to hurt.

Because yeah Chloé always enjoyed hurting Marinette more than anyone else even before she became jealous of her, and Lila seems to have developped an hate-obsession toward Marinette even more intense than the hate she feels for Ladybug, and for what ? Just because Marinette called Lila out for her lies twice or thrice and is currently Adrien's girlfriend ? The boy both Lila and Chloé covet llike he's a thing to possess ?

When there is no rationality behind someone's motives, only madness remains. And crazy antagonists who take pleasure in making others miserable can sometimes be even more terrifying than rich powerfull business man obsessed with power.

There's no denying anymore that both Lila and Chloé are not only bad persons, but also a little deranged in their head. So what happens when you give wicked teenagers more power than they already have ? They become worse, because if they can get away with hurting even more people because that's something they enjoy, what's really stopping them ?

What the fans seem to ignore is that even at 14 years old, people can be pretty messed up in real life. It's much rarer than adults doing evil around them that's for sure, but it happens. I even remember a real case where two young girls below 12 years old murdered a 2 years old kid and an old lady just "for fun". And there's many others example with boys, some can even start committing rape when they're just 14. So why is it that hard to beleive that 14 years old girls have the potential to be more evil than an adult man when they grow up ?

Also can we really talk about misoginy when the main hero character who must face those two crazy girls is also a girl herself ? And when said girl is the protagnoist while her boy partner is the deuteragonist ?

Miraculous Ladybug seems to focus much more on the performances of its female characters like Kagami, Alya, Alix and Zoé for example. And then the star characters of the New York and Shanghai specials were also female. The series has probably chosen two female characters as the future antagonists who will be "worse" than the previous one, because they are characters that we have known since season 1 as rivals of the heroine, and who also evolved alongside the season, but towards the path of evil. After all, when the good becomes better, the bad must become worse.

But I think the detail that might show that fans are wrong to howl mysoginia is that somehow, Gabriel is the one who gave Chloe and Lila opportunities to become even worse. His akumatizations and plans involving Chloe and Lila can be seen as a way of corrupting the two young girls, their viciousness is something Gabriel has always indirectly encouraged for his plans. So is it so surprising then that the student would manage to surpass the master ?

For those who have read the bible, I seem to remember that the synopsis of an episode mentioned Chloe and Lila as "the best minions and allies of Monarch" So if Chloé and Lila became worse than Gabriel, it's because Gabriel himself influenced them.

#miraculous ladybug #ml season 5 #ml season 5 spoilers #ml season 5 leaks #ml analysis #chloé bourgeois #lila rossi #gabriel agreste #Sorry I know this is a very long post ^^' #But there's always so much to tell when this topic comes up #especially when I must use good arguments

[ilikekidsshows]

According the old concept bibbel Fu was supposed to be BOTH Marinette and Adrien mentor and he actually DID that to the point Adrien admire him since he always support Adrien to go independent which I can assume Fu has more role in concept than just simply become Marinette grandfather and mentor. My only question is if in the concept they can make Fu be a mentor for BOTH of them while also preparing Marinette to be guardian like in canon, then why can't they make him do that? I know I'm not supposed to cry over spilled milk but out of anything they decided to discard, why its this?????? I know canon is all abot girlboss girl power but making the deuteragonist have mentor figure won't change anything?? Or are they afraid if Adrien has too much power he will overshadow Marinette?

If Fu had actually been shown mentoring Adrien outside that one occasion where he merely placated him, we would have gotten some Fu development, because there's no way in hell Adrien would have put up with the bullshit he gives to Marinette about "waiting for the right time" and about how "you must not trust your partner with any information". But then we would have gotten focus on Fu's character, and scenes where Fu and Adrien are alone interacting and developing without Marinette, and the crew has gotten increasingly uncomfortable with having Marinette anywhere other than in the thick of things.

The retooling of the show from season four onwards, what I have taken to calling The New Adventures of Ladybug (because the show changed so much they should have retitled it), has made increasing efforts to diminish the characters Adrien can interact with outside of Marinette to lessen his contributions to the episodes. His relationship with Kagami got wrecked, Nino was turned into a total ass and Kitty Section might as well not even have a reserve member. Whatever caused this change might have been on the crew's mind for a while, which could have caused them to scrap the idea of Adrien getting mentored. Why add supporting characters to Adrien's network if they thought he had too much going on?

I'm pretty sure they made Adrien learn the lesson that he should be content to be Ladybug's sidekick in 'Kuro Neko' because him being called "partner" threatened Marinette's importance. People have been asking for years why the show is named after them both when he doesn't get to do anything and Thomas Astruc does not like when he gets asked that, because he gets asked it so much. Also, it seems that he only views Marinette as a protagonist, since he always talks about Marinette's importance when people bring up Adrien's lack of story impact.

At this point, I'm pretty sure Thomas Astruc either no longer wants Adrien to be the deuteragonist, or he never intended the show to have a deuteragonist to begin with, and Zag's marketing just promoted Cat Noir to the title against his actual plans.

Frankly, with the way The New Adventures of Ladybug is going, it seems that Adrien can't even be a real person or he'll overshadow Marinette.

#ml salt

[zenganthefool]

what i liked and didn't like about the finale

so i watched the finale, and... i have thoughts, so imma share them, cuz that's what tumblr is for

here's what i liked about the two episodes: -the way marinette figured out who monarch was, was in my opinion well done. First she had the heavy hinting that she didn't seem to understand completely because of felix's theater bad trip before the finale. Then she went there and found other hints of him being monarch (the tablets), and right when she pieces it together, she has the final proof she needed, she sees him detransform. It might just be an opinion but i really liked how that was done -bugnoir costume looked pretty cool imo -the whole fight in the mansion was so freaking cool, it was really satisfying to see gabriel get a piano dropped on him. Also the fact that the previous lucky charm turns into the new one instead of making 2 lucky charms is a detail that i like which makes it impossible for her to just spam it and get anything she wants which is good, i was wondering about that when she unlocked the whole growing up thing -plagg and tikki becoming fucking giant like the form we saw in dear family, as well as the reveal of gimmi -the cliffhanger at the end with the lightning in lila's room that i can't for the life of me figure out what they're coming from but it's gonna be epic

alright, here is what i DID NOT like however: -lack of chat noir. he was just gone for two episodes there, he was completely useless which really brings us back to season 4 kind of bs -gabriel got his wish and there was no real consequences because of it, so he was proven right all along, he saved his wife and assistant for the low price of his already fading life -gabriel statue and him being treated like a hero, and marinette lying to adrien about it as well -the ending just felt... empty, i guess? It wasn't the big conclusion of the gabriel arc that i expected -where the hell was the reveal? I'm pretty sure back in season 4 it was said the reveal would be in season 5 and it literally isn't, we only have that last episode left, Action, but i'm pretty sure it's not an actual story relevant episode -the cliffhanger at the end. I know it's also in the things i like about it but i also hate cliffhangers, they cause me pain lmao

#miraculous ladybug #ml season 5 #ml season 5 finale #miraculous spoilers #mlb spoilers

[sufandomgirl]

Miraculous Ladybug x Hell's Belles Series Part 1: Gabriel

[A/N: Once again, another ridiculous Hell's Belles Crossover idea. I think at this point, it's a given. Comment if you find this funny or just plain weird.]

!Season 5 Finale Spoilers!

Gabriel: Make sure that Adrien doesn't remember the villain that I was. (sets rings down) Only the times that I tried to be a good father...

Later...

Adrien: As distant as he was to me, I always chalked it up to him missing Mom. I'll miss him.

Marinette: (internally screaming) Oh, I'm sure he'll miss you...(under her breath) wherever he ends up.

Adrien: What was that, Marinette?

Marinette: Nothing! Nothing, Adrien. So, what are you thinking of doing...now that he's...gone?

Adrien: I hadn't really thought about that.

Nathalie: (with Amelie) No matter what, I can't leave Adrien. I've grown to love him too much.

Amelie: (holds her hand) You were so close to being his stepmother, and you took care of him for so long that he became like a son to you. (giggles as Adrien waves at them; waves back)

Nathalie: (waves back at Adrien) I just hope that Gabriel found some peace in the end.

Meanwhile, At the Hellp Desk...

Gabriel: (walking up to the desk) Excuse me, ma'am, maybe you could help me. I'm supposed to be with my wife, but I was told that I was to come down here to get my situation cleared up.

Penny: (makes eye contact with him) Gabriel Agreste. (looks up and down the mountain of a file) Yes, you're definitely in the right place for...clarification. Your file materialized on the floor and it still reaches above the top of my desk. (touches file) Or do you prefer that I call you by one of your alter egos instead?

Hellp Desk: (collectively lean in closer)

Gabriel: Alter ego? You must be mistaken.

Greg: (walks up behind his wife)

Penny: Sir, we know every detail of your life after we touch your file. Every single one. Like a massive temporary download. So, do you prefer Gabriel, Hawkmoth, Scarlet Moth, Collector, Shadow Moth or Monarch?

Gabriel: Miss, I'm af--! (looks around) What are they doing?

Everyone: (pulling their hair up)

Penny: Oh, them? Don't mind them. Another cool thing is if something major happens in the world like all of the destruction you caused, everyone in what you call the 'Afterlife' will find out about it. We've actually been expecting you since your first akumatization. Several deities from many different belief systems have actually called down to put their name on the waiting list for their turn to come down and give you a taste of what you deserve and we just finished constructing your pocket dimension. Sort of like solitary confinement.

Gabriel: What?! I was doing it--!

Judy: To bring your wife back? We know why, Gabriel. That doesn't negate the fact that what you did and the lengths that you went did an irreparable amount of psychological harm and what you said to that poor girl who had to fight you so many times and even tried to warn you that there would be a price to pay. You were a villain, you sure got that right.

Gabriel: Ladybug's Lucky Charms fixed everything, though.

Lily: Not everything, Gabriel. Not her trauma, or your son's or anyone else's that you hurt. Even if they did, you're still destined for your own pocket dimension on Level 9. Don't worry, Greg will get to drag you down there eventually. However, let's see how strong you are against other ADULTS WITHOUT your Miraculous. Since you know, beating up teenagers was so easy with it.

Dante: (hits "record") This is gonna be great!

Sharkie: (starting up LED chainsaw) Yeah, it is!

{Gabriel's eyes held so much fear as the Belles charged him. Bel and Greg watched with pride as their wives and friends beat up this pompous magical asshole. Angel was just happy to hand them weapons. Dante handled the livestream. He was getting better at it.}

Emilie: (watching the livestream) That's what you get for throwing my son across Paris so many times, asshole. (slow turn to Aphrodite) I'm really not sure what Nathalie--or for that matter, I--saw in him. Care to explain?

Aphrodite: Hey, that was not on me. Eros handles Paris, France. Hera and Athena made sure that I had no reign over anything named similarly to Paris of Troy.

Eros: (pokes head out of sliding door) Hey, I thought that she and Nathalie could change him! Love can change people.

Emilie: I'm afraid that's only true for some people. Hopefully, my Adrien will be okay with Marinette. Those two were made for each other.

Athena: I hope that Marinette girl and your son can live somewhat happily now. They should never have had to become soldiers against evil so young, and until the Butterfly Miraculous is retrieved, her and your son's fight isn't over. If she ever chooses to reunite with Hippolyta [A/N: Sorry if I spelled that wrong], I will hopefully get to pass an encouraging message on to her.

Meanwhile, In the Mortal World...

Marinette: (feeding each kwami their favorite and hugging Tikki)

{All of a sudden, her Kwagatama glows, pulsating and Tikki separates from her to see what it is. Her eyes get wide.}

Marinette: Uh, Tikki, Su-Han, what's happening?

Su-Han: This is...remarkable.

Tikki: It's never happened before. (flies in front of Marinette's face) Marinette, you know how you can summon any of the past Ladybug Holders by touching a Guardian seal and saying 'Reunion'?

Marinette: Yeah, I remember talking to Joan of Arc. That whole day was embarrassing and crazy. What about it?

Tikki: Well, it's only been theoretical and never happened before until now, but I think one of the past Ladybug Holders is trying to connect with you from the Afterlife!

Marinette: (gasps, shocked) What?! That's possible?!

Tikki: Until you, a lot of things were thought to be impossible, Marinette. Even with the Miraculous.

Marinette: (panics) Aaaaahhhh! What do I do? A legendary hero is trying to talk to me from beyond the grave!

Su-Han: You answer them, obviously. It should work the same. (hands her a Guardian pendant) You're one of us now, Marinette. Please, accept this pendant as an apology. Just touch the Kwagatama to it and say 'Reunion'. Think of it, like answering a phone call.

Marinette: (takes pendant; puts it on) Okay, here we go. (deep breath; touches Kwagatama to pulsing seal) Reunion.

{The bright light flashes and instead of portraits hanging, she sees Joan of Arc walking towards her instead.}

Marinette: Joan?

Joan: (hand across chest, bowing) Good to see you again, Noble Ladybug of Paris.

Marinette: Why are you bowing? How are you? What's going on? Tikki said that this has never happened before. Other, previous Holders contacting me from the Afterlife.

Joan: I am well, thank you. You've proven yourself worthy and capable of a bow. You've done it. You've stopped your Monarch. Something that I regrettably could not do myself.

Marinette: The Butterfly Miraculous, it's still missing, I was trying so hard to keep him from making the wish, and I couldn't even do that. Someone else took it. I got all the others, but...I failed.

Joan: (holds her shoulder) You did what any of us would have done. You're far too young to have grown so quickly. All of us were chosen when we were already adults. We cannot fathom how you've managed to overcome so much, yet you have. Your Guardian chose well.

Marinette: (tears up, sniffles) No, he didn't. I couldn't protect him. He had to renounce because of me. I was the only one who could take his place...(holds pendant)

Joan: (looks, amazed at Guardian seal) You...are the only Ladybug that's ever become a Guardian. The fact that you are so young and have conquered so much in addition means that Tikki may very well be right to describe you as the best Ladybug holder she's ever served. The fight may not be over, but neither are you, Marinette Dupain-Cheng, Hero Champion of Paris and Guardian of the Miraculous. Whenever you need any of us, we will be here. The other Ladybug Holders sent me to assure you that we are all behind you and now that your Black Cat has a Kwagatama, the same goes for him. Call upon us and we will come to your aid. They also wanted to send me since I am the only one that you've ever summoned from beyond the Veil. They're quite amazed by you as well. Same goes for my Grimalkin and the other Black Cat Holders.

Marinette: Amazed? By me? That can't be right. You're all legendary heroes who have overcome impossible odds, and I'm just a clumsy baker's daughter.

Joan: Is that the pleasant aroma from downstairs? Don't be doubtful of my next words, you and that puny kitten of yours have become somewhat of legends yourselves among us. You've overcome odds all your own and will continue to. Some of the other Ladybug Holders want to come and meet you. We just can't come all at once because that would raise suspicion in the Afterlife. We'll try to space it out, but some can't wait. (hugs her) Worry not, for Monarch is where he belongs and we will take care of him from here, like we do all of each other's enemies. Fare thee well, young Guardian. (disappears)

{The world comes back into focus and Tikki is the first to ask.}

Tikki: Marinette, is everything okay? What happened?

Su-Han: What did you see?

Marinette: The world around us kind of darkened and instead of portraits, the Holder trying to contact you just walks up to you to talk. Made me a little disoriented, coming back into focus. Couldn't you hear it, Tikki?

Su-Han: (writing this down) Fascinating.

Tikki: No. It's strange, but I couldn't hear anything. Who was it?

Marinette: It was Joan again. Side note, Su-Han, you may want to give Chat Noir a seal, too. The battle is far from over and Joan implied that maybe he'll need to talk to the previous Black Cat Holders with his Kwagatama, too.

Su-Han: Got it. Wait, Chat Noir has a Kwagatama as well?

Tikki: Plagg said that he gave him one.

Su-Han: (smiles and nods) I'll get one for you so that you can explain it to him, Marinette.

Marinette: Fine. Anyway, she also said that apparently, Tikki, you've described me as the best Ladybug that you've ever served. Despite the rest being legendary heroes known throughout history.

Tikki: (rubs back of head) Well, every Ladybug is different. Like she probably told you, you're the first not to be given your Miraculous as an adult.

Marinette: Yeah, she said that. Also, that Monarch is where he belongs in the Afterlife and that they'll 'take care of him' there. Like they do for each other's enemies.

Tikki: Well, yes, Marinette, you've earned your place as one of them and their respect because of all that you've accomplished at such a young age. As Ladybug Holders, you can summon each other from all across history and from the Afterlife for a reason. It's a huge burden and no one should feel as alone as you have. They look out for each other. Monarch is gone and they...have some grievances with him. Particularly because you are so young and they've grown fond of you, like I have.

Marinette: (hugs her to her face as she nuzzles her)

#miraculous ladybug #marinette dupain cheng #gabriel agreste #adrien agreste #hell's belles #lily #ruggy #sharkie #angel #judy #bel #greg

[judicious-loveless-brat]

JLB Miraculous Reviews: S5E1 Evolution

(Obvious Spoilers for Miraculous Season 5)

Well, this is my first time doing this. For those who aren't familiar with my blog (that being the case, a warm welcome to you), I'm that one guy who makes Miraculous characters realistic using Artbreeder lately. And I'm planning to do other things at the moment. Since the first episode of the fifth season of Miraculous has already been released about almost a week ago, I figured that I should make a review about this episode. I might also make reviews of the other episodes this season if I have the time to do so. I would probably make a review of "Multiplication" since it has already been released earlier today.

This episode follows the events of the Season 4 finale. After having almost all of the Miraculouses in his reach, Gabriel turns into Monarch (we'll talk about his... design later). He uses the Rabbit Miraculous to return to a moment in past Ladybug and Cat Noir's time to capture their Miraculous. Unfortunately, he somehow screws up even though he has literally EVERY MIRACULOUS IN HIS REACH (plotholes at it's finest, isn't it?)

And with that, let's dive into Evolution: the first episode of Miraculous Season 5.

The episode starts off where the Season 4 finale ended, with Ladybug and Cat Noir observing as the people of Paris cheer for them and preparing to face the new villain, Monarch. Monarch threatens to attack Paris ruthlessly unless they give Ladybug and Cat Noir's Miraculouses. Despite this, the Parisians still supports them and boos at Monarch while throwing stones at him, even though according to the show itself, she's to blame for Gabriel's supposed victory and not you know, the one who betrayed her? Because it's apparently one of the show's rules that Marinette makes a mistake in each episode, no matter how unrelated it is to her.

Huh, I wonder what "mistake" she will make in this episode.

Ladybug and Cat Noir destroys the shield containing the illusion message retriever with ease. Funny, I thought there would be some kind of intense fight between the duo and Monarch that would show how powerful he is now. But I guess they're still as strong as ever seeing how easily they got rid of his illusion.

Ladybug thanks Cat Noir and he reiterates how it's just the two of them now.

We then go to Gabriel doing his usual thing, talking to his about to be dead wife. The next scene goes back and forth between Gabriel and the heroes. When Gabriel tells her that their victory is almost complete as he has got almost all the miraculouses, Ladybug assures the people of Paris that Monarch's victory will never be complete. When Gabriel silences Sass, Ladybug and Cat Noir says they'll never be silenced. When Ladybug and Cat Noir says they won't be prisoners of Monarch, Gabriel makes it clear to the Kwamis that they're his slaves.

Gabriel then makes a great plan using the Rabbit Miraculous to go back in time and defeat the heroes at their more vulnerable state. He fuses it with the Butterfly Miraculous to transform himself into Monarch.

I... have no words. What the hell is this supposed to be? Just when I thought that I would get over Shadow Moth and Shadow Noir's horrible designs, the animators decided to bring me this. What were they thinking! Why does he look like he's naked without that vest thing on his chest? Why do his weapons change color when his Miraculouses don't? Why is his hair white? Why is his skin purple? He can't even pull of unnatural skin colors, unlike Mayura, as his looks hideous! He looks like as if Thanos joined the biker gang and suffered from sleep deprivation. Keep in mind, this is supposedly Gabriel at his strongest form. The only good thing that I can say about his costume is that the mosaic thing on his vest looks cool. But other than that, this is definitely not an improvement from the atrocious designs he had last season! Seriously though, how is this guy a so-called fashion designer?

Just when Ladybug starts to tell Cat Noir the possible reason of the loss of the Miraculouses, Monarch stumbles through a time portal. They notice the portal opening, from which Rabbit Noir and Ladybug from a few minutes to the future are chasing Monarch who is seemingly getting weaker using multiple miraculouses at the same time. Another portal opens from which Bunnyx, the Rabbit Miraculous holder of the future, warns Ladybug and Cat Noir of the present about Monarch possibly ruining the spacetime continuum. Trust me, it gets a lot more confusing as the episode goes on. Bear with me on this.

Seriously though, as soon as Monarch is inside the Burrow, he literally enters in the events of Lady Wifi without even having a second thought! He didn't even try to be elusive and use the Miraculouses as a way to avoid corrupting time itself (Fox Miraculous, Rooster Miraculous). Doesn't he know that just a minutes change in the past can have drastic effects in the future? And this is folks, why time travel should've never been introduced in this show at the first place!

The heroes are even worse! I'm not even joking when I say that literally everyone was dumbed down so that the plot wouldn't end in one episode! Instead of taking them back to the time were Félix was about to fetch Ladybug's yo-yo, she takes them to stop Monarch from taking Ladybug's Miraculous in Lady Wifi's time. Ladybug ties up Monarch with her yo-yo but instead of taking all the Miraculouses back, they... explain to him how Bunnyx's powers work and say that they're going to defeat him... Which gives Monarch the opportunity to unify the Fox, Bee and Turtle Miraculous to escape, conjure Mirage of Monarch clones to distract the heroes, paralyze Bunnyx with Venom and trap her in a Shell-ter. God, can you imagine how STUPID this scene sounds?

Not trying to salt on them though, this is the result of ridiculous plot armor. Thank you, writers.

Cat Noir uses Cataclysm to break Shell-ter while Ladybug ties up Monarch again, but Monarch uses Wind Dragon to escape through a portal.

Since future Alix is suffering a magical stroke at the moment, Cat Noir takes the Rabbit Miraculous from her and gives it to Ladybug for her to fuse. Instead of using it herself, Ladybug offers it to him.

It is an admittedly nice scene showcasing Ladybug's trust in Cat Noir. I like the idea of her trusting him something as big as this. It's definitely a far cry from her UNINTENTIONALLY keeping him in the dark last season. Granted, it does kinda give a weird feeling how Ladybug's first step in putting trust in Cat Noir is through entrusting him the most powerful and dangerous Miraculous in such a dire situation where she herself can use it. With that said, I still love that Ladybug is starting to let Cat Noir in with the much bigger responsibilities.

Cat Noir then fuses himself with the Rabbit Miraculous, transforming into Rabbit Noir.

Rabbit Noir has a very cute and adorable unification design I'm happy that he isn't bald again. The teal lightings in his costume goes perfectly with the black bodysuit. The rabbit ears and tail fits well with the costume. While I think that they could've added more flare fluff to his look, I'm fine with the simple aesthetic as it doesn't feel like there's too many things happening at once. In other words, Rabbit Noir is amazing and isn't like the atrocity that is Pennybug (she has a good hairstyle though).

Rabbit Noir uses his powers to follow Monarch to the Riposte timeline. Monarch plans to ambush a vulnerable past Cat Noir but fails because he is suffering from wearing too much Miraculouses. Ladybug and Rabbit Noir catches up but Monarch jumps into the Heroes Day timeline. It's funny how past Ladybug, Cat Noir and Riposte didn't see what's happening behind them. Monarch tries to surprise attack a de-transformed past Ladybug and Cat Noir in the sewers, but present Ladybug and Rabbit Noir prevents him. They knock him down the Animan timeline, where Alya and Nino had their possible first kiss.

Interesting.

Anyway, Monarch stumbles through the events of the start of the episode. Rabbit Noir and Ladybug catch up and chase Monarch who is seemingly getting weaker using multiple miraculouses at the same time. Deja vu, am I right?

Monarch travels to the Nazi occupation of Paris in World War II while Rabbit Noir and Ladybug catch up. Monarch unifies the Dog Miraculous and tags his Rabbit Miraculous with his ball in an attempt to Fetch it if the heroes ever got hold of it. But because he's been wearing too many Miraculouses, he collapses to the ground.

And instead of doing the obvious and you know, taking the chance and get all the Miraculouses back while he's still unconscious, they managed to do something even dumber. THEY STOOD THEIR SHOCKED FOR A FEW SECONDS, TOOK ONLY THE RABBIT FROM HIM AND GOT DISTRACTED BY PAST FU AND MARIANNE RUNNING AWAY FROM THE NAZIS, GIVING MONARCH THE CHANCE TO GAIN CONSCIOUSNESS AGAIN TO FETCH THE RABBIT MIRACULOUS AND ESCAPE.

Just... why. This is the one of the problems I have with this episode. Ladybug and Cat Noir have been represented with so many opportunities where they could've gotten the Miraculouses back as Monarch gets weaker and weaker and guess what? They still manage to screw up those chances! If this is the way the writers are trying to show that Monarch is so powerful and formidable, then they're clearly not doing their job very well. This is not the way in making a villain formidable! This is just adding more plot armor to the already heavy plot armored show. Dumbing down characters won't make other characters shine. This is just Lila Rossi all over again. God, imagine the salt fics that would transpire from this. Stop giving them ammo, Marinette and Adrien!

Ladybug then used her Lucky Charm, gaining a box that is used for storing one Miraculous. This is the same Lucky Charm that was failed to be utilized in the Season 2 finale. Ladybug then spots the Miracle Box past Fu has.

On the other hand, Monarch travels down to the Reverser timeline and sees past Ladybug and Cat Noir at the Eiffel Tower getting of a taxi while under the effects of the akumatized villain. Monarch tries to ambush them but is forced to de-transform due to his weakened state. Sass warns him that Kwamis need to eat or otherwise they and their powers become weak. If he destroys the Kwamis in the process, he will destroy himself too. So Monarch has no choice but to travel back to the time where he is about to start his plan and walks up to Nathalie, while still on the train with Lila. He asks her to give the Kwamis food.

Ladybug and Rabbit Noir pull Past Fu to an alleyway after he and Marianne separates ways. They explain to him why they're here and that they need a Miraculous. Past Fu surprisingly goes along with this and gives her the Dog Miraculous, even though he explains to Marianne that he doesn't want to fight the Nazis using the Miraculouses in Backwarder. She promises that she'll return it to him as soon as possible so that the timeline won't go bananas.

Back in the present, Alix, who is surprisingly absent last season, and her father Alim have an interesting conversation about her future (it is revealed that Alix wants to take engineering after she graduates). Ladybug and Rabbit Noir then show up to give Alix the Dog Miraculous meaning Sabrina got replaced again. She also says that once Alix gets the Rabbit Miraculous back, she will have to leave her family and friends behind to watch over the timeline (meaning she'll probably be absent again for most of the season). Alim is actually okay with this because future Alix wrote letters for him to not get worried. After a wholesome moment between the father and the daughter that Adrien would probably not get to experience with his own father, Alix takes the Dog Miraculous and transforms into Canigirl.

And...OH MY GOD I LOVE THIS DESIGN. It's absolutely better than what we got from Miss Hound and Flairmidable. The color scheme is appealing to look at. The cap she is wearing is cute and definitely suits her better than Miss Hound. The mask is also quite adorable and makes her blue eyes pop. And to be honest, Canigirl fits Alix's personality more than Bunnyx.

The three then go inside the Burrow, with Canigirl saying her farewells to her father. Rabbit Noir opens a portal to the past for Canigirl to tag Monarch's Rabbit Miraculous before he himself does. Ladybug leaves the Miraculous box in the burrow as a trap for Monarch. They then go into the frozen Eiffel Tower scene in the Heroes Day timeline discreetly.

While Nathalie is feeding the Kwamis, she advices Gabriel that there is another obvious way to use the Rabbit Miraculous. He can go back in time and prevent Emilie from ever getting sick from using the broken Peacock Miraculous in the first place by giving his past self a flash drive with the information needed to repair it.

Gabriel transforms into Monarch again and plans to travel back to the night he gave Emilie the Peacock Miraculous. Unfortunately, he gets distracted by Ladybug's trap box, because this show's plot armor is as thick as the mantle of the Earth. The only reason he didn't put the flash drive on the picnic blanket is because if he did, then the show would be over then.

Because his IQ is that of a brick, he falls for Ladybug's trap and travels to the Heroes Day timeline, planning to ambush their past selves. Unluckily for him, Canigirl uses Fetch and takes his Rabbit Miraculous, unifying the two Miraculouses she has.

And just like Rabbit Noir, [Insert Alix Dog+Rabbit Unification Name]'s design is also cute and adorable. Though I kinda wish they gave her more fluff. Petition To Give Rabbit Miraculous Holders Fluffier Costumes.

Monarch uses Fetch as well but Alix uses Burrow to escape. And even though he doesn't have time travelling powers now, Rabbit Noir and Ladybug still do nothing! They don't even try to fight him nor take any of the Miraculouses. They literally just... left him there, unaware of the major things that he could do in the past (yes, they brought him back but that still doesn't explain why they would even abandon him there in the first place).

Ladybug uses Miraculous Ladybug, healing Future Alix. Rabbit Noir gives to Future Alix her Future Rabbit Miraculous while Present Alix plans of giving Ladybug back the Present Rabbit Miraculous. But, Ladybug tells Present Alix that it's her time. She then transforms into Bunnyx.

Like Future Bunnyx, Present Bunnyx looks great. I like that her reddish pink hair contrasts well with the arctic blue and white costume. Although like I said, Canigirl definitely fits her personality more than Bunnyx. Also lack of fluff :(

Present Bunnyx gives Past Fu back the Dog Miraculous and takes a selfie with him while Future Bunnyx brings Monarch back to the present. Ladybug ties him up again and guess what? They fail to get the Miraculouses and Monarch escapes again through Wind Dragon. Ladybug is obviously unhappy that they managed to let Monarch escape again. Cat Noir reassures Ladybug by saying that they still got the Rabbit Miraculous but she says at what cost.

Look, just how incompetent can you two be? You literally have Monarch at your mercy and still manage to screw things up? For the love of God, AT NO COST! SINCE HE SAYS THAT YOU GOT THE RABBIT NOW, WHAT'S STOPPING YOU TWO FROM GOING BACK IN TIME TO PREVENT ALL OF THIS?! ARE THE WRITERS REALLY TRYING TO DIG UP THE DEEPEST PLOTHOLE IN HISTORY?!?!

And as usual, Garbage- I mean Gabriel talks to his wife again about how he lost and how it's all Ladybug's fault even though the both of them are so incompetent with what they're doing. Even Nathalie is fed up with his bullshit and tells him that he is crazy and that he doesn't deserve her help.

YEAH TELL HIM NATHALIE! You can’t imagine the huge smile I had on my face watching this scene unfold. Hearing Nathalie chewing out Gabriel for his incompetence is unironically one of the best parts of the episode for me.

Admittedly, once the satisfaction went away, I did have some major problems with this scene. While Nathalie has every right to call Gabriel out, it's also pretty hypocritical of her since she is just as bad as him. The whole reason she can't even walk properly is because she kept on using the broken Peacock Miraculous even though Gabriel forbade her to. She's one of the people who's willing to help him without question. She really isn't the bigger person between the both of them. But I just hope that unlike Chloé's "redemption" arc and Adrien's promise to let go of his feelings for Ladybug, this moment sticks.

Lila notices Nathalie in a sickly state and approaches her. She just offers to help Nathalie back to her seat, and that’s probably her only appearance in this episode. So much for the lack of Lila screentime last season.

After that, the episode ends, with Gabriel screaming like a baby.

If you ask me, this episode was just okay. I mean, it is good as a season premiere since it offers a lot of action and Alix definitely got the well-deserved screentime she didn't get last season, but the amount of plotholes and plot armor that Monarch has took it lower for me. As much as the execution was horrendous, removing the Rabbit Miraculous from the plot first was definitely a good idea to avoid the future plot contrivances that it can cause. Ladynoir also got some development in this episode and Ladybug is on the start of trusting Cat Noir more, which is good. Nathalie, as much hypocritical her scene was, definitely offers more opportunities in the future now that she isn't onboard with Gabriel's nonsense. RIP to the Gabenath fandom though.

The biggest problem of the episode for me was how Ladybug and Cat Noir were constantly dumbed down so that Monarch couldn't lose in this episode. Even Monarch was dumbed down (bro you literally have the Rooster Miraculous on you) so that he couldn't win either. If this is how things go this season, then it'll probably end with a bitter taste. I just hope the writers resort to better writing and not... create more plotholes and plot armor. This is literally the last season of the current storyline, so they better step up their game!

The time travel shenanigans was also a big part of why the episode is lower for me. A race around time is a good concept but the fact that Monarch and Ladybug didn't even consider to use their respective Rabbit Miraculouses to prevent the events that put them where they are now irks me.

Also, why the heck is Félix not mentioned in this episode, especially since he's the one who caused all of this? And why is Nathalie and Lila still on the train even though Gabriel cancelled the commercial? I guess those questions would be answered in the next episode. I just hope so.

So yeah, I'll rate Evolution about 6.5/10. It's definitely not perfect and has its flaws, but it's not a bad season premiere. I just hope that they improve their writing this season, especially for Garbage- I mean Gabriel Agreste.

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[ramen8008]

Y'all I know I haven't talked about the awakening movie but I literally don't know what to say 😭

I've watched it for a while now so I guess I'll try my best (also spoilers obviously)

First of all I do love Lou's voice and as much as I'm kinda upset about Cristina not singing cause she also has a beautiful voice I can't be that petty cause Lou is also very talented.

Another thing is there are obviously big differences between the show characters and the movie characters. (Especially Adrien but imma talk about him later)

Same with the plot line it's obviously different for many reasons.

OMG THE SONGS?!?

I was 3 minutes in and Marinette just busts into a song?!? I DID NOT expect that😭.

Talking about songs WHERE THE HELL WAS "THE WALL BETWEEN US"?!?

How and why?!?

AND that song was supposed to be for both Adrinette and Ladynoir. Where Adrien is in love with both and vice versa but THEY JUST TOOK OUT THAT WHOLE STORYLINE FROM THE MOVIE?!?

I DO NOT think you UNDERSTAND just how GREAT THIS COULD HAVE BEEN!

Also Adrien saying "Marinette is so weird" 🤨 He WOULD NOT day that.

OKAY back to the songs we DID get.

1. Literally in love with the "You are ladybug" loved Tikki and it was really uplifting and motivating I loved it. Also tikki's sarcasm the whole time like "I'm about to kick your butt if you don't start to listen" 😑 to Marinette trying to convince Tikki she isn't cut out to be ladybug 😭.

2. STRONGER TOGETHER!!! I AM IN LOVE! ITS LITERALLY ALL THEIR FEELING PUT INTO ONE SONG!

"You saved the world every day with your mask but the girl behind it saved my heart"

AHHHHHHH!!! Omg my sweet cinnamon boy

"What is this feeling now? I cannot fall for him"

DO YOU SEE?!? Literally all their feelings out into one song INCLUDING their feelings in the show throughout all the seasona

3. "MY LADY" !! cat noir's song! OH MY SWEET SUNSHINE BOY ✨

"It's been a while since I smiled and meant it" !!!😭😭😭

Every lyric in this song brings me back to season 1- 3 chat noir! Oh I love it so much.

I guess I do have a lot to say huh? Mostly about the songs but I'll make a whole different post about all of them because I don't think Y'ALL UNDERSTAND THE DEPTH OF THESE SONGS.

My next point isn't that big of a deal but I would have LOVED to see a scene with every ship dynamic in the movie. Like a small scene with Marichat, and another one with Ladrien. I was just WAITING to see a small clip of each of the ships of the love square.

Great animation but that was expected especially with how long we waited.

Another thing is with how this ended. I know the whole storyline was different with how it was Marinette's first day to many other things which makes sense because it was Zag's work and also because obviously they could just make half the movie the same as the origins.

With how it ended I am a little sceptical about the next film which is said to be released in 2026 (none of us believe it) but with how it ended I think we'll see a dynamic we've never actually seen in the show.

Meaning that them knowing each other's identities and being in love and then fighting a new villian. This is a dynamic we haven't seen in the show - other than clips of it during episodes where their memories were erased. And I am really excited for that.

Also I feel like since they made Gabriel a good guy I do think they'll make Natalie truly evil. WHICH I CANNOT STAND TO SEE. Do I really hope that's not the case.

ALSO speaking of Gabriel the god damn difference between how he treated Adrien when he found out he was chat noir in the movie vs the show will never not be funny to me 😭.

I think THIS was the difference between the Gabriel who just wanted his wife and the mother of his child back vs the Gabriel who got too obsessed with getting the miraculous and didn't actually care about his son.

That's all (for now) thanks for coming to my ted talk. I really thought I didn't have much to say but it turns out I did.

I'll post about all the songs in the movie later

#mlb awakening #mlb awakening movie #miraculous awakening movie #miraculous awakening #spoilers #miraculous #mlb #chat noir #ladybug #adrien #marinette #ladybug and chat noir #chat #ladynoir #ship #marichat #adrienette #ladrien #reveal

[zoe-oneesama]

I noticed on your Season 4 Index that you’ve finished Robustus (congratulations on another completed episode!) which means the next one on the schedule is Prime Queen. Any opinions on Nadja, her akuma, or the plot itself that you’d like to share after you’re finished rewatching for SL? :3c

OHOHOHO You caught me at a good time because I JUST watched it yesterday and I have THOUGHTS!

This might surprise some people but this was actually my first viewing of Prime Queen. Yeah. I'm that behind. And I had a few preconceived ideas that turned out to be just...lies?

I thought Nadja had full intentions of doing a good interview but after Chloe calling in just to brag about herself and Alya trying to steal views (as well as throwing her off by having Manon there when Marinette's supposed to be watching her) I thought Nadja was pushed by Harlette to save the show by bringing up the Dark Cupid kiss to push the idea of LadyNoir being a couple.

NOPE! Turns out this was her plan all along! Harlette constantly brings up the "scoop" that NADJA pitched to her and the "supportive evidence" that she brought! Holy hell, that totally reframes the whole thing! The whole time Nadja tricked two teenage superheroes into an hour long interview with the intention of needling them about their romantic relationship?! That's so fucked up and I don't feel anything when her show is "cancelled" and she's a sobbing mess when she's akumatized because that's what you DESERVE Nadja!

Also the akuma seemed to ping pong between a dumb writer and a genius writer because there was some whiplash to Prime Queen's level of diabolical genius:

Dumb Writer: "Admit you're a couple live on 'tv' or I'll crash a train with Chloe Bourgeois in it!"

Heroes: "Ugh, FINE, sure, we're a couple, you happy now?"

Genius Writer: "Almost. Now that I've trapped you in a walk in freezer miles away, reveal your identities and give me your Miraculous or I'll drop the Ladyblogger, tied up and stuck in a sarcophagus, into the Seine to drown 💕"

Heroes: "Uhhhhhh- counter offer, we WILL do those things, but you don't get to watch because we put a pizza box over the only TV screen in the freezer."

Dumb Writer: "Hope you're not lying~" *punches with the arm that HAS THE AKUMA WATCH ON IT!

Like, girl, you HAD them! Why'd you turn stupid after turning brilliant?!

Another assumption I had was that Chat Noir kept trying to kiss Ladybug because he was hung up on the Dark Cupid kiss picture that he couldn't remember and wanted to make up for it. NOPE! He literally never brings that up again, doesn't seem concerned with it, and is just going along with Prime Queen's want for them to be a "couple". Yeah, sure, why do anything INTERESTING with a call back, that would only be fun or something and we can't have that here.

Moving on, I don't understand the show's In Universe Obsession with LIVE shows, it literally only made sense in "Stormy Weather" and "Ikari Gozen" because in SW that was an American Idol live finale to, what I'm assuming, was a season long competition where the outcome is determined by votes and in IK because it was a real time competition where the participants were normal people, not preselected competitors.

But "Kung Food"? "Troublemaker?" "Silencer?" and now "Prime Queen?" Why are these live? Is France television nothing but LIVE competition shows and interviews? Isn't that a huge liability risk, especially when the studio is KIDz+? Even if I went on a show with the best of intentions to keep myself PG, I might stub my toe and cuss LIVE ON TV, do they want to take that risk?

I'm basically trying to say that Nadja's big meltdown could've been avoided if it wasn't LIVE - Ladybug and Chat Noir could've recorded ahead of time, gone over okay and not okay questions, and then if Nadja goes off script, offending their guests to the point of leaving, she's not in the lurch and would have time to edit around it or find a solution. But no, because if all these multiple shows weren't LIVE it wouldn't be...as humiliating???? Just seems like things that professional "journalists" would predict and have contingencies for.

(It was funny that views went down as soon as Chloe was on the screen.)

The first half of the akuma becomes so frustrating because it comes across as Nadja being akumatized because two teenagers wouldn't "admit" to being in a romantic relationship when that was a rumor SHE STARTED! (Wait is this Glaciator 0.5?)

I dunno the legitimacy of this translation but like 👀

Maybe this was present in Season 1, but this is the first time I've noticed Chat Noir say "Cataclysm" several times without activating it, so, confirmed: Intent Matters. I look forward to a later episode debunking this idea because consistency doesn't live here.

They made a big deal of saving Chat Noir's cataclysm until the very end and then didn't even use it on the akuma - he used it on the freezer door AFTER the akuma was defeated, lol. Like, don't get me wrong, I get WHY, but it's just that they brought it up so many times that this felt like a "wah wah" moment in comparison to the build up.

And while I'm glad Marinette got to wrap up her Having-to-Ditch-Alya-with-Manon thing in a satisfying way, it is weird they didn't wrap up the whole "everyone thinks we're a couple" thing since the whole episode was stuck on it? Like, I guess I get it because the resolution is that there ISN'T one which is why we have episodes like Glaciator 2, but you get what I mean when it feels like within the episode there's no resolution? Especially since this is supposed to be back in the "watch in any order" era.

"Prime Queen" has some of the derpiest, creepiest faces. But it's "Red Bang Alya" so I know it's the less..good studio:

That's Chat Noir trying to be suave and go for a kiss

Manon without her buck teeth. She didn't have them when she was talking either

More than once Nadja's lips are off center in a way that doesn't seem intentional

Chat's bottom lip remains curled up like this while he schools Ladybug about the Subway System and it's W E I R D

Chloe and Alya both call in with the lights off for some reason, but it really makes Chloe's facial features get really creepy

Chat where's your NOSE?!

His chin is so BIG!

This episode is just kinda pointless. Extra pointless because for all of Nadja's sobbing about her career being over she sure did bounce back immediately with a literal rename of the EXACT SAME SHOW, which instead of feeling like a resolution just makes Nadja look melodramatic.

I also hate that when Alya says "LadyNoir is not a couple" that's listened to and is "setting the record straight", not when Ladybug HERSELF said that she and Chat weren't a couple. Gross.

So yeah. My struggle right now (since I'm in the writing phase) isn't not coming up with ideas on where to take the episode, it's that I have too MANY directions I could take the episode and need to nail it down. A lot of competing ideas are happening right now, so I'm narrowing it down so that we have some focus while also being a satisfying Season 4 Finale that leads into Season 5.

#prime queen salt #writing salt #ml salt #prime queen #an essay by zoe

[familyagrestefanblog]

About Adrien finding out that Ladybug revealed herself to someone else pre-Rocketear

At first this was a big pill to swallow for me because I thought that this secret of hers would be the catalyst to let Ladynoir go to hell, but after I had a few days to think about it I have to say that I couldn't be happier that the show handled things the way they did in the Ladynoir scene of "Hack-San"

Because here is the thing: Marinette revealing herself to Alya in "Gang of secrets" may have set things in motion for Adrien/Chat Noir to spiral down but it is also the only decision behind his back that SHOULDN'T be, in any way, portrayed as a core problem of the Ladynoir fallout.

Marinette revealing herself to Alya wasn't in any way planned by her and she only did it because she was breaking down, lashed out on her friends so bad she almost lost them and was so overwhelmed and alone that she couldn't handle it anymore. Her reveal was beautifully and purely HUMAN, not a strategy or a way to get any kind of other advantage.

And THIS is the only thing the Ladynoir scene in "Hack-San" is resolving and it does so on purpose.

Marinette revealing herself to someone else than Chat Noir because she simply NEEDED someone in this particular moment DESERVES to be met with understanding and kindness, she DESERVES to get to explain to her Chaton that in no way does she now have any intention on leaving him behind and that YES she 100% can understand that suddenly having to find out that she revealed herself would still hurt him because she knows that she herself would feel hurt if he had revealed himself first to someone other than her.

And honestly, don't bring up the "she is the guardian she gets other identity liberties" argument in this, this moment was not about the power dynamic, it was a vulnerable moment between two FRIENDS. Marinette didn't even consider to pull the guardian-card on Chat Noir to justify her actions and invalidate his feelings in her favors because she KNOWS that Chat Noir doesn't view her guardianship itself as a problem. So instead they just got to talk as two FRIENDS and that's how it should be.

Ladybug got to empathize, apologize and explain herself to Chat Noir about revealing herself to someone else and how it affects him while he got to honestly voice his fears of her forgetting about him and one day maybe completely vanishing out of his life and him having no way to find her ever again.

I've seen people upset that this is all the episode resolves but as I said, I couldn't be more thankful for it. Because it could have been so EASY for the show to later on have Ladybug just apologize/explain herself to Chat like this AFTER the fallout and therefore dismiss everything else that negatively affected him through it since her reveal wasn't a betrayal against him.

So yeah, thanks GOODNESS the show decided to actually resolve the ladybug reveal secret because that means the Ladynoir fallout will actually have to focus and RESOLVE what truly hurt Adrien ever since.

Because the true build up to the Ladynoir fallout started in "Rocketear" with Adrien finding out that Ladybug has always allowed Rena Rouge and Carapace to know each others secret identities while keep on insisting towards him that the secret identitiy rule is 100% sacret.

Yes, Marinette DID have a solid enough reason in "Catalyst" to make an exception here but as I said, this exception IS still a plot point that puts Chat Noir in an unnecessary disadvantage. Now more so than ever with Alya knowing Marinettes secret and Nino 100% getting to become a permanent holder through Alya as Marinettes right hand as well. Bonus points if Nino finds out about Marinette as well because that's not far-fetched at all anymore.

"Rocketear" also had Nino tell Adrien that Ladybug thinks that Chat Noir is annoying/obnoxious, not because she actually TOLD Nino but because Nino was emotionally hurt and took it out on Chat Noir since Nino didn't know he was LITERALLY TALKING TO HIM.

In season 4 Marinette has to learn that she can't control everything and we can now see that unfold with Marinettes chosen people making decisions behind HER BACK now. Not out of malice but because they are HUMANS. Just like Marinette making decisions behind Adriens/Chats noirs back without ever intending on hurting him with it, and yet it still happens and now it happens to Marinette through her chosen (Alya, Nino and Luca as far as we have seen yet).

I'll only talk for myself because I know that quite some people will disagree with me (which is fine, honestly) but I genuinely LIKE that the Ladynoir fallout will break loose not solely because of the direct dynamic between Ladybug and Chat Noir, but its HIGHLY influenced by the decisions the people and the world around them make.

The narrative now isn't just merely about Marinettes and Adriens decisions anymore now other characters actively get to take control and affect our protagonists lives too. That's amazing in my opinion because that's how the world works, other people's decisions MAKE this huge of an impact in your life.

One episode later in "Wishmaker" we had Luca outright find out about Adriens and Marinettes secret identities and then decided to LIE to Marinette about knowing. As if THAT decision isn't gonna cause something major.

Nino lied, Luca lied, Alya told Nino the truth when she was told not to and so did Nino with Adrien. Who knows how many curveballs all the other supporting characters will continue to throw at our protagonists I mean Nino already unintentionally managed to set the seed for Adrien to see Ladybug as a two-faced liar who didn't mean her words in "Hack-San" and that was literally only the beginning.

So yeah, I genuinely LIKE that in "Hack-San" the initial ladynoir issue of "Gang of secrets" catalyst moment (Marinette revealing herself) was settled between Ladybug and Chat Noir, because THAT secret by itself isn't what causes Adrien to spiral down so horribly now. It's everything that was set in motion by the identity reveal and therefore now every episode AFTER "Hack-San" will twist and ruin that sweet ladynoir conciliation more and more until every interaction between them will soon be seen through completely misguided eyes.

Because the World doesn't ask what kind of consequences you want to have for any action you take. Right or wrong it doesn't matter, you can't control these things but you CAN choose to try to set things right again and mend the damage you never wanted to unleash.

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[immaturityofthomasastruc]

I actually liked Chloe in S1. I thought she was funny and her antics were in-character for the dramatic, short-tempered spoiled brat she was. Even when she did horrible things that were blatantly written to kickstart the plot, I didn’t care bc it was still something I could laugh at. I wasn’t super invested in her “redemption arc” when it was happening, so when the writers decided to make her a bitch again, I was totally okay with it. I was like “yes, bring back the ridiculousness of S1 Chloe!”

However, S4 Chloe isn’t even remotely as funny. Before, she was just a hilariously unapologetic drama queen, stirring up trouble because she was simply THAT self-absorbed and taking refuge in audacity. Now, though, it’s painfully obvious that she’s just here to show off how horrible she is. I can’t even forgive her antics in “Gabriel Agreste” because she literally had no reason to target Marinette and Adrien the way she did. And her “confession” while stuck in the Collector’s book was obviously written to drive home to the Chloe stans how eeeeevil she really is, which was decidedly unfunny. She used to be a silly plot device; now she’s just an agenda.

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The problem with Chloe this season is that despite selling out all of Paris to Hawkmoth to feed her own ego, the writers still aren’t willing to make her a full-blown villain this season, and only really use her more for comic relief.

Chloe worked in Season 1 because she wasn’t much of a threat compared to the Akumas. Yes, she was a bully who abused her father’s powers, but at the end of the day, that was all she was. In Seasons 2 and 3, intentional or not, audiences got more invested in her prior to the betrayal, so when we saw her go back to being a full-time bully without even acknowledging what she did, it was incredibly jarring. Hell, even after Zoe was introduced and the writers set up a potential rivalry between the two sisters, it hasn’t been acknowledged once. 

It doesn’t help that the episodes she appeared this season in not only had her blatantly hype herself as a bad person who beats up orphans and widows in her spare time, but the other characters didn’t even try to be civil with her and threw a lot of insults her way, especially in “Gabriel Agreste”.

While a lot of stuff in the earlier seasons could get weird and was exaggerated at times, Chloe was still the kind of character you loved to hate. While she annoyed the characters with her behavior, she didn’t really annoy the audience too much, and the karma she received for her bullying in certain episodes like “Dark Cupid” and “Princess Fragrance” felt deserved.

In Season 1 never really intended to specifically harm other people. Yes, she would still try and pull strings to inconvenience others to get what she wanted (The Bubbler, Mr. Pigeon, Rogercop, Kung Food, Reflekta), and still laughed at the peasants beneath her feet, but she never tried to hurt anyone or make their lives miserable for the hell of it. In all of her plans, she almost always had something to gain that just happened to screw over at least one person. In this season, not only does Chloe blatantly throw people in front of Akumas to get out of the way when she only did it once in “Zombizou”, it’s also implied she was somewhat cognizant of her actions as Queen Banana because of her specific demands. 

The problem with this is that the writers are trying to make her more of a comic relief villain while she still does things that were worse than before like physically harm others, so it’s hard to tell if we’re supposed to laugh at her or take her seriously as a threat. They’re clearly trying to have the best of both worlds here, but are failing at both because of how contradictory her writing is. Like I just said, Season 1 Chloe worked because while she got in the way of Marinette at times, she was never a character who was meant to be taken seriously as a threat, sort of like what Bulk and Skull were like originally.

And again, I have to ask, if Astruc wanted Chloe to be a villain from the start, why isn’t his team actively capitalizing on that idea? Why isn’t she working with Shadowmoth more or trying to undermine Ladybug on her own? You wanted Chloe to be evil, didn’t you? Well, now’s your chance to show off how bad she is that doesn’t involve petty sabotage at school that does nothing but waste screentime that could be devoted to other characters like Lila, Zoe, Su-Han, Luka, Kagami, and the last four temp heroes who had to be crammed into a single episode because Chloe just had to be front and center for four separate episodes this season.

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[spectral-kitkat]

Miraculous Rant.

Where the hell do I begin…

Season 1:

The show was decent in season 1. Some episodes were just mindless filler and probably weren’t needed in the grand scheme of things but they helped us get introduced to the characters, we got to know the plot and the world our characters inhabit. It was good. The love story between Adrien and Marinette was cute and off to a touching and fluffy start.

Season 2:

This season was immediately better than season 1. It had character development, it went more into detail about the lore surrounding the Miraculous and we got to learn more about our characters and their families and the villian’s motives. (HM really went from “I wanna destroy the world” to “I wanna wake my wife from the coma she’s in”).

We got to see new heroes which was fun! We got new characters like Luka and Kagami.

The season finale was epic! The Miraculous team all taking down all the previous villains in the show was awesome. At the end we even got Mari kissing Adrien on the cheek. It was great! (Even though it clearly reset itself in season 3 cause it’s never mentioned again)

I really enjoyed season 2 and it’s probably my favourite out of the 4.

Season 3:

Season 3 was kinda good and kinda bad. We had some great episodes but this is where the show took the wrong turn.

Marinette lost some of her character in season 3. This was the start of her descent into being the Queen of Mary Sues. It’s also where she was crowned the Queen of Stalkers! Her character took a fucking nose dive in this season. We had so many moments that just creeped me the fuck out.

1. The ENTIRETY of Puppeteer 2 🤢🤢🤢 I could not stand that episode. When we reached the dreaded statue scene I physically had to pause it like 10 times. That scene takes about 3 minutes to watch… it took me about 20. I cringed so fucking hard because of the secondhand embarrassment I was feeling. That was not sweet, it wasn’t romantic, it wasn’t the least bit cute… it was a train wreck! It was creepy and stalkerish and it’s a wonder Adrien even spoke to her again after that atrocity!

2. LB delivering the present in Chat Blanc. Two words: STALKER BEHAVIOUR!!! I genuinely could not believe my eyes when I saw LB run her hand across everything in his room and then actually SNIFF Adrien’s pillow. Like WTF!!! 🤮 I’m pretty sure whoever was responsible for that scene clearly thought it was the equivalent of when someone gets their S/O’s jumper or something and it still smells like them. But this turned it up to the nth degree and way passed the line of sanity.

Adrien was extremely under-utilised in this season. He didn’t really do anything. The only episodes we got about him didn’t really focus on him. ‘Felix’ whilst focusing on Adrien’s family didn’t really feature him. ‘Party Crasher’ while a beautiful mess was more about Mari trying to get into the party than the party itself. ‘Chat Blanc’ again focused more on Mari trying to fix her mistake.

We got even more heroes in season 3, not in the right order but they were there. It was fun seeing everyone’s transformations.

Season 3 was also the season of destroying redemptions. The big one obviously being Chloe. Season 2 was setting up this amazing redemption for her and before it could go anywhere it was wiped off the face of the earth during the finale (and don’t worry we’ll get to that dumpster fire later). Gabriel also had any remaining sympathy ripped away from him. How did the guy who stopped Gorizilla from letting Adrien die when he only thought he was CN go from that to using his son like fucking baseball in Chat Blanc when he knew his son was CN. Like I knew you were a shit father but you still cared about Adrien in some way shape or form but after that episode I can see I was clearly mistaken!

Before we get to the finale I want to talk about probably my 2 least favourite episodes from this season: Desperada and Reflekdoll

Desperada:

I fucking hated this episode! The only good thing was Luka getting to be Viperion, other than that this episode was awful!

Marinette was a selfish cringey bitch. Completely ignoring Luka to gush about Adrien to Jagged. Brushing Luka off as soon as Adrien turns up. Immediately cuddling up to Aspik and flirting with him when she needed to focus on the akuma (something which she has told CN not to do many times before)

Adrien, I love you kid but Jesus Christ you were a dumbass in this episode! Aspik’s design was terrible! Aspik himself was awful. I know Adrien tried his best but dude you were given the Black Cat miraculous for a reason! He shouldn’t have tried to be Aspik but even when he did he should’ve called it quits after like 5 resets not 25,913 times.

The only person with a brain this episode was Luka. So well done guitar boy, gold star!

Reflekdoll:

This episode was annoying! It was basically the start of the Marinette can do no wrong streak! When they have to swap miraculous I was happy cause it meant we got to see new outfits and see how they each handle the different powers. It would also serve as a way to get LB and CN to see what their partners role is first hand. Until we actually get to it…

LadyNoire is of course amazing and needs no introduction to using this new miraculous that she’s never used before. She’s cocky and confident and basically just LB in Chat’s costume with his powers.

Mister Bug on the other hand is just useless. He struggles with this new miraculous (like anyone would!) and is stupid and goofy. He has to rely on LadyNoire to solve the lucky charm. They swapped miraculous so shouldn’t that mean that Mister Bug should get the lucky vision and the creative powers that the earrings give him.

Overall Reflekdoll is awful. It was shitty writing and the start of Adrien getting the short end of the stick.

And now the season 3 finale… Just what the fuck. That is my only reaction: what the fuck!

Chloe you poor fucking child! What did they do to you!!! So much potential SQUANDERED!!!!

What was the point in bringing in all these different superheros with unique skill sets, costumes and transformations if you were just going to immediately reveal them to the main villian so they can’t be used again. That’s stupid! If you wanted the shock value that is “Oh no HM knows some of the heroes identities!” Then keep it as only some. Have like Max, Kim and Kagami outside trying to find somewhere to hide but unfortunately they get hit. Or Nino and Alya are hiding but the windows open and they get hit. Have some of the heroes hide so they’re fine! Taking away every ally of LB and CN’s was a stupid move! (Even if they wanted Alya to become a spy have her as part of the like 4 that get revealed or something, it’s not that difficult)

Season 3 was 50/50 for me

Season 4:

So I know season 4 isn’t even halfway through yet but so much is wrong with this season already that I need to vent!

So my biggest problem with this season of Miraculous: Tales of Ladybitch and Rena Rouge, I mean Rena Furtive… shit, Chat Noir! Is that CN is basically pointless! Adrien has been flung over a rainbow and is only remembered when he’s needed as

1. Marinette’s love interest

2. Someone for LB to shout at

3. A plot device

He has basically been sidelined. Partners my ASS!!!

Adrien is being blown off by pretty much EVERYONE! It’s coming to a point where this poor sweet summer child is going to crack! And it is not gonna be pretty… I definitely feel like the writers are leading up to a big fight between CN and LB which will probably end with Chat Blanc 2.0.

I REALLY HATE MARINETTE/LADYBUG!!!! In Season 3 I said it was the beginning of her descent, well in season 4 she’s done it. She’s descended, she has hit rock fucking bottom. She is so unlikable I don’t actually care about her as a person. She has entered full blown stalker territory it’s only a matter of time before she starts killing people for even looking at Adrien! Not to mention that Miss Mary Sue here can’t do anything wrong! She never has to suffer the consequences of her actions, she is always perfect no matter what she does… it pisses me off!)

She’s the Guardian now big whoop. I know what it feels like to be stressed and under pressure so I do understand why she needed to tell someone about it all. I just don’t see why that person had to Alya! Especially considering she has someone by her side every akuma attack going through pretty much the exact same thing. I know she’s worried about CB happening again but as I said before the more she leaves him out the more she is actually pushing that to become a possibility! Plus it makes sense for them to reveal their identities now since LB is now the guardian it’s probably a good idea to know who holds the cat miraculous, she knows everyone else’s identities!

Even if she didn’t want to tell CN her identity she could still explain the situation to him. If she didn’t want to tell him anything (which she doesn’t anyway) then instead of Alya she should’ve talked to Luka! Her boyfriend for all of half an episode (thanks writers…). He’s so sweet and caring and clearly loves her so much! If she wanted someone to confide in then why not choose the person you clearly wanted to date but couldn’t because of that very reason! (Yeah I know it’s kinda a moot point now since Luka knows both identities but still). He wanted to try and comfort her so it would’ve been the perfect moment for it. That way you could still date him and he’d know why you had to suddenly leave dates halfway through! But no break the boys heart instead!

Adrien and Marinette were both such fucking idiots in the first 2 episodes. Like why would you start a relationship with someone when you know your heart isn’t in it! That’s called leading someone on and is a really shitty thing to do to someone! No wonder Kagami and Luka ended up akumatized!

Another aspect of season 4 I don’t like is Rena Furtive. Yes ok having a spy for your side is a good strategy but when said spy basically tells an important member of a duo that the 2 person job doesn’t involve them… it just really ticks me off! Alya you are the sidekick to LB and CN! Chat isn’t!

Miraculous specials:

The Miraculous World specials suck! Shanghai is better than NY but still has its problems. Both specials add nothing to the overall plot/lore of the show apart from trying to set up some weird cinematic universe…

NY special:

One of the worst things I’ve ever had to sit through! The plane scene alone I paused a few times. I want to say well done to Mari for trying to move on from Adrien (especially considering I’m pretty sure she’s dating Luka at this point) but I can’t help but think it’s just to give her character some pointless development that goes nowhere and doesn’t actually develop anything!

LB can pretty much fuck off at this point! I hate her! She put all this shit on CN (like she doesn’t know exactly how that feels). It’s like why does she get to go off on holiday but CN can’t. LB should’ve stayed in Paris for 3 reasons:

1. She’s recently become the guardian meaning it would probably be best that she stayed with the Mircle Box

2. She’s the only one who can purity the akumas

3. If she’s so sure about being the boss then she should take responsibility of Paris and the citizens.

What really pisses me off about her is what she says to CN during the big fight. “I can’t trust you”… surely you could have this conversation afterwards since you’re supposed to be focusing on taking down the villian! Plus everyone bashes Adrien for giving his miraculous up in this episode but look at it from his point of view: His partner and best friend just said she couldn’t trust him which in turn caused him to cataclysm someone and essentially kill them. That’s gonna take a toll on anyone, especially a 14 year old! He probably thought in that moment. “Ladybug needs a partner she can trust and someone who won’t mess up and kill someone. She needs a better partner.” It makes sense he renounces his miraculous! I’m just upset that in doing so he loses Plagg who is pretty much his only friend who actually understands what Adrien goes through at home.

When Uncanny gets CN to come back, LB acts like it’s not her fault in the first place that he feels inadequate! She didn’t even apologise for saying what she did! He apologised for lying about not being in Paris but nope LB wasn’t in the wrong at all and didn’t have anything to apologise for 🙄… (yes the LadyNoir hug was amazing but I just wish it was under different circumstances!)

Also are we not gonna mention Gabriel Agreste almost starting WW3??? He wanted to launch a fucking missile!!!

Shanghai:

As I said before, this special is way better for several reasons.

We got MariChat! (Best side to the love square imo). This special actually had some semblance on a plot. Fei, whilst a bit op, was a cool character. It was nice to see Wang Cheng again.

However once again there were many problems.

A big one being Marinette yet again! (What a shock! 😒 I’ll come back to this). Another was that once again HM’s motivation has changed. How is getting the Prodigious gonna help bring back Emilie??

Back to Marinette… The fact that the words “Huh?! There must be some kind of mistake! I always know what's up with Adrien! … His 5 first names and every corresponding name date, his yearly schedule, even his shoe size! If there were anything to know about him, I would know it!” come out of her mouth whilst she is flipping through his schedule that she keeps in her pocketbook is a hugh red flag!!! That is not cute or adorable! That’s messed up and Adrien needs to fucking run and maybe possibly go into witness protection… Marinette is a full blown stalker! Not to mention the GPS she has (that could just be the find my friends app on iphone but still).

It also is extremely rude of her to use not only her great uncle’s birthday but also a lie about wanting to know her Chinese heritage in order to go to Shanghai to stalk her obsession, I mean crush. This could’ve been avoided if the Dupain-Chengs were going to Shanghai for the purpose of celebrating Wang Cheng’s bday and then Adrien just so happened to be in Shanghai.

Also this means LB left Paris without telling CN! I know CN did the same but again he can’t purify the akumas. Plus he has a reason he couldn’t stay in Paris, Mari just went cause her crush did. Great guardianship there Marinette.

This was also the last time CN actually did something. Even if it was for a short while before LB and her female partner took over (the beginning of a theme…)

Other things:

There are 2 other things that I wanna say but felt they needed a separate bit.

In Furious Fu, Su-Han has a rule book that he uses to tell Marinette which rules she has broken. At the end of the episode he tells her that is she breaks 1 more rule that he will take the Miraculous and the Miracle Box off her, which fair enough but wouldn’t it be helpful to leave the rule book with her?! How can she be wary of not breaking anymore rules when she doesn’t even know what the rules are??

Now the big one: Master Fu…

Where do I even start with him. He is so fucking manipulative!! He is Asian Dumbledore!

He decides to leave these extremely powerful jewels in the hands of 13 year olds! Surely leaving the miraculous to someone in their 20s would’ve been better!

He clearly favours LB over CN even though the Ladybug and Black Cat are supposed to be partners! Wouldn’t it make sense for them both to be in contact with the guardian from the start?? He randomly started introducing rules such as if LB and CN find out each other’s identities they would lose their miraculous… what kind of bullshit rule is that? It also came out of fucking nowhere!

Final Thoughts:

But to summarise all of that: Miraculous is on quite a steep decline but I’m invested at this point and I am genuinely curious as to where the fuck this will go.

Marinette needs professional fucking help before the writers even consider canonising Adrienette cause at the moment she is not what Adrien needs!

Adrien needs to stand up for himself! He needs to pull LB to the side and tell her what he feels and what he’s going through cause he is on the precipice of a breakdown!

(Small point that’s more to do with the fandom: when searching for fanfics it’s really annoying that Adrien Agreste/Chat Noir Bashing is a tag but Marinette Dupain-Cheng/Ladybug Bashing isn’t. Why does everyone think Marinette can do no wrong???)

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