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#''i don't want to share dna with something else'' do you not have family... what
shopcat · 1 month
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a clone is not a sci-fi miracle that's inherently evil or amoral just because there's (probably) no human cloning at this moment in history oh my god... we have made clones we've been making clones for years annoying rich people clone their pets all the time. you're just making a test tube baby from the dna of one person only instead of two it's not a moral failing you're not Barely Human you're a normal human being that was cloned. they'd probably even just squirt the cloning gunk into a surrogate bc the hardest part would be growing the baby i assume. if you found out you were secretly a ROBOT you would all run into the sea I know you're just lying for real... if you're a clone you just look like some other person which happens anyway. you just have an identical twin sibling who is older than you. and anyway you can just take hrt and then you won't look like them if it really is that horrible. unless you want to be a robot because it's cool i guess but otherwise you're all so dramatic 😑 i think being a clone would be cooler anyway
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No no no, YOU'RE good, I love how intricate your ideas get!
BRO YOUR BRAIN POWER, Everything would only be more heartbreaking (how did you even do that) if reader was the extant child/relative of one the yans, my brain explored the idea with the professor or magneto, someone who wouldn't have suspected reader was their child, what would be worse for reader is if nobody knew and it was found out AFTER they're back. I'm evil :)
I could Imagine the reader, being the sweet selfless thing that they are, and being the only one who can't use their powers to escape like the others can, they might resort to begging the three to run and leave them behind, it's the very last thing any of them want, OH MAN it'd tear them up inside, but especially if reader were the oldest, the kids could be swayed to listen, even if they really really don't want to.
🐑 Anon
🥺🥰☺ Thank you, 🐑 Anon!!! I'm enjoying these small asks posts, as it's helping me discover how I want to write the first main story post! It's helping me think over how each character would act, possible relationships, and exactly how far I want it to go... So thank you, and for everyone else, who keeps asking about this au, and sharing your thoughts and ideas for it😊
And yes, it would involve more angst if they found out Reader was their child after they're back, but I raise you this: What happens if they found out when Reader and the others initially died? (Isn't that a fine wine of angst?) They never suspected and never knew Reader was a relative of theirs, and the pain and guilt over only ever knowing after Reader had already died. It would be worse if, when sorting through some of Reader's stuff after that dark day, they find a few papers in their handwriting, mentioning they know that one of their mentors or guardians is actually their parent/sibling/relative, but that they aren't going to tell them, because they don't want to ruin their relationship... Or if Reader had a DNA test or birth certificate or something else, detailing the fact they're related... The absolute misery the adult/s would be in, knowing they would never be able to right it, that they'd never be able to let Reader know they would have accepted them, no matter what... It breaks them all over again...
If Reader begged the others to go, to leave them, the three would be torn. If Reader is younger than them, they are staying no matter what. Only being forced to leave them would keep them from being by their side, sticking together til the end. If Reader is older, they would reluctantly leave, but only after Reader forces them into a position where that's the choice they're left with. And the three would be doing everything they can to get back to them, to try and rescue them from the strangers wearing the faces and powers of their teams, the people they call family...
I think I've finally decided on how old Reader is, and I say they are the youngest. Not by a lot, granted, but that doesn't stop them from being seen as someone to protect, no matter how powerful or awesome their powers are. They could be able to turn into a beast-like creature, or transform into any animal they want, or have fangs and claws, and they'd still be getting defended. It doesn't mean Reader themself isn't protective. Reader has lashed out before, during the few weeks they'd all been held captive, all to protect their captured friends or to defend the other platonic yans... Reader did suffer for it, though, terribly... It's why their death was a little different than the others. Where the others deaths were rather quick, Reader's was dragged out, made as painful for as long as it took to pass on...
It's really no wonder the adult and older teen platonic yans snapped and took their time destroying the people who'd done it. Who didn't even give them a chance to reach them before it was too late. And what a bloody, long drawn-out mess it is... And when it's finally done, well... There's a new world order on the verge of forming, and when it is brought to fruition... a lot of their enemies realize what a dangerous mistake they made...
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teamsieben · 5 months
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DAVE: do it
KARKAT: GIVE ME ONE GOOD FUCKING REASON.
DAVE: itd be funny
DAVE: besides dressing up as each other is like a sibling rite of passage i think
DAVE: at least rose and i did that once idk about the others
KARKAT: WE'RE NOT "SIBLINGS", DAVE. WE'RE DANCESTORS. WORDS HAVE MEANINGS, YOU KNOW.
DAVE: whatever youre each others mutual grandpas or something thats basically the same thing
DAVE: i mean i consider dirk and roxy my siblings even though theyre technically my parents
KARKAT: THEN WHY DON'T YOU GO AND SWAP-A-ROO WITH THEM. STOP HASSLING ME ABOUT KANKRI.
DAVE: no
DAVE: put on the red sweater
KARKAT: YOU KNOW KANKRI HAS TO AGREE TO THIS TOO? HE'S TOO UPTIGHT FOR STUFF LIKE THIS.
DAVE: hes already on board
[ At this very moment, Kankri loudly swings open the door and walks in. ]
KANKRI: I c9uldn't help 6ut n9tice y9u tw9 were engaging in c9nversati9n c9ncerning me. What seems t9 6e the pr96lem?
KARKAT: OH FOR GOG'S SAKE. IS THAT ONE OF MY SWEATERS?
KANKRI: Indeed it is. If y9u'll n9tice, I am als9 wearing s9me 9f y9ur pants, alth9ugh I find the waist6and severely lacking, s9 I w9uld really rather wear my 9wn.
KARKAT: SEVERELY... WAIT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT HIKED UP TO YOUR FUCKING CHEST? GOOD LUCK TRYING TO STRETCH THEM THAT FAR.
KANKRI: I didn't say I was trying t9 d9 that, 6ut thank y9u anyway f9r the well wishes.
KARKAT: UGH. ANYWAY, WHO BRIBED YOU TO GO THROUGH WITH THIS?
KANKRI: I was n9t "6ri6ed". My values 9f integrity and h9nesty w9uld never 6e shattered 6y s9me9ne else's 9ffers 9f fav9rs 9r material 96jects.
DAVE: i bribed him to say that
DAVE: but only to say that
DAVE: he put on the karkat cosplay for free
KARKAT: UGH.
KANKRI: I am n9t 9ne t9 pass up p9tential 69nding activities, especially 9nes inv9lving my dancest9r slash ect96i9l9gy twin slash 6r9ther.
KARKAT: OH NO. NOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT TOO?
KANKRI: Saying what?
KARKAT: THAT WE'RE SIBLINGS.
KANKRI: Genetically speaking, the humans are right, y9u kn9w. We share m9re DNA than human fraternal twins d9. That w9uld in fact make us si6lings 6y any stretch 9f the w9rd.
KARKAT: THAT'S NOT HOW GENETICS WORKS, OR FAMILIAL RELATIONSHIPS.
KARKAT: WHATEVER. FINE. I'LL PUT ON THE OUTFIT, BUT ONLY TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT I DID. AND DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE TAKE ANY PICTURES.
[ There is a SUSPICIOUS CAMERA-SHAPED LUMP in Dave's pocket. ]
KARKAT: I'LL SEE YOU IN A MINUTE, LOOKING APPROXIMATELY 500% MORE IDIOTIC THAN I USUALLY AM.
KANKRI: That's incredi6ly 9ffensive, 6ut I'll let y9u 9ff this time.
KANKRI: Next time... Well, I am graci9us and t9lerant en9ugh t9 trust that there w9n't 6e a next time.
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[ Karkat emerges from the ablution block. ]
KARKAT: FUCK MY LIFE. JUST SHOVEL OUT MY GUTS WITH AN ICE CREAM SCOOP. THAT WOULD BE PREFERABLE TO THE STINKING HOOFBEASTSHIT YOU TWO HAVE ROPED ME INTO PARTICIPATING IN.
KANKRI: S9, h9w d9 we l99k?
DAVE: pretty good
DAVE: but theres something missing
[ Dave hands Kankri a bottle of TROLL HAIR GEL, and hands Karkat a COMB. ]
DAVE: you gotta do your hair like each other or its not convincing
DAVE: i still have the headband from my rose cosplay somewhere
KARKAT: YOU COULDN'T JUST USE ONE OF HERS?
DAVE: it was for the bit
DAVE: you gotta commit to the bit
DAVE: rose has her own pair of dave shades so
DAVE: also she has a really big head her own headband kept falling off
KANKRI: I have slightly l9nger hair than Karkat, will that interfere with things?
DAVE: not really youll just look like he forgot haircut day
[ Kankri begins GELLING UP his hair, while Karkat does nothing. ]
DAVE: dude come on
DAVE: youll ruin the ph- i mean the bit
KARKAT: I'M NOT FUCKING DOING THIS.
DAVE: come on i know you want to
DAVE: you could have just refused but you didnt you put on the red sweater and the asshole leggings and the little whistle necklace
DAVE: this is the hole you dug yourself
DAVE: now lie in it
KARKAT: I FUCKING HATE ALL OF YOU.
KARKAT: FINE, I GUESS. POINT AND LAUGH. YOU CAN EVEN TAKE YOUR PICTURES FOR ALL I CARE.
KANKRI: Karkat, are y9u 9kay? Y9u seem like y9u might 6e triggered. I just want y9u to kn9w that this is a safe space and y9u can 6ack 9ut whenever y9u need t9.
DAVE: nah man its ok this is just how we banter hell be fine in like 2 minutes
KARKAT: FUCK OFF! BOTH OF YOU SHUT UP! I DON'T NEED YOUR FUCKING "SAFE SPACE", I'M FINE. JUST TAKE YOUR PICTURE AND GET ON WITH IT.
DAVE: okay
DAVE: you almost done
KARKAT: YEAH. LET ME JUST GET THIS LAST STRAND.
KARKAT: IF IT'LL EVER FUCKING STICK DOWN.
KANKRI: W9uld y9u like t9 use s9me 9f this gel? I didn't end up needing nearly as much as I th9ught.
KARKAT: NO, I CAN GET IT.
DAVE: if you say so
KARKAT: I'M READY NOW.
DAVE: ok one final touch
KARKAT: WHAT.
DAVE: karks can you relax your face
KARKAT: I'M ALREADY RELAXED.
DAVE: no i mean make it look like kankris
DAVE: and kankri you do the opposite
DAVE: you gotta really sell it i wanna show this to everyone and see if they can tell the difference
KARKAT: I THINK YOU'RE OVERESTIMATING THE LEVEL OF ACTUAL RESEMBLANCE WE HAVE TO ONE ANOTHER.
KANKRI: Well, actually... At the 6eginning 9f my Sgru6 sessi9n, when I was six sweeps 9ld, I had a s9mewhat m9re aggressive demean9r and had quite p99r p9sture.
KANKRI: What I'm saying is that the way 9ne carries 9neself can d9 a l9t f9r h9w they are perceived.
KARKAT: WHAT.
KARKAT: OKAY. WHATEVER.
KARKAT: EVERYONE STOP TALKING. DAVE, JUST TAKE THE FUCKING PHOTO.
DAVE: on it boss
[ Dave takes the photo. ]
DAVE: im gonna send this to rose immediately shell lose her shit
KANKRI: Thank y9u f9r the si6ling 69nding 9ppr9rtunity y9u've pr9vided, Dave.
KARKAT: FOR THE LAST TIME, WE'RE NOT SIBLINGS. THAT'S NOT HOW TROLLS WORK.
DAVE: no problem boblem
KANKRI: ...
KANKRI: 9kay, can I have my cl9thes 6ack n9w?
KARKAT: THANK GOG, YES, I WAS GETTING TIRED OF HOLDING THAT EXPRESSION.
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[ BONUS SECTION ]
-- turntechGodhead [TG] sent tentacleTherapist [TT] image file vantasswap.jpg --
TG: the file name spoiled it damn
TT: I will pretend to be surprised.
TG: do you think anyone would fall for this
TG: they look fucking identical
TT: I could see it happening, particularly with the more, shall I say, oblivious members of our ragtag multiversal group.
TT: It's certainly more convincing than our own outfit swap escapades.
TG: you say that like it happened more than once
TT: It can if you want it to. It was quite funny. Don't you still have that headband?
TG: how do you remember that
TT: I know everything, my dear brother.
TT: Also, we've both been to one another's rooms several times. It isn't like we've stopped spending time with one another. I still happen to have my copy of your sunglasses, so you needn't be ashamed.
TG: im not ashamed
TT: If you say so.
TG: i was just surprised that you- HEY
TG: fine if you're trying to convince me to do another swap then sure. gimme whatever outfit you want me to wear and ill find one for you
TT: It's on. Meet me in the hallway in an hour. Bring the Vantases, they should derive some enjoyment from this as well.
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ask-team-grim · 19 days
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@umbreonlatias - Lola
I second about what was said about Dravina being cool! 👍
Being a fellow Dark/Dragon type I don't have the usual grudge others have!
(Mun also likes Deino! 😁 And Dragons! Dravina is both!)
Though I haven't faced the same struggles you and your Dad have.
(Pfft. Perhaps it's because Lola's new! No one's given her Magicrap yet! 🤭)
Though I have heard tale of The voice of life becoming a Heidreigon, and he's a big Teddyursa, so big "scary" Dragon does not, and should not always equal fear.
Though there's one that fits the stereotype, and I hope none of us meet him...
(Ghetsis's Hydreigon...Poor fella...never had a chance...)
A question, how do you feel about having eyes in the future?
Do you think you'll purposely stay a Zweilos for longer because of the thought of finally getting eyes might be scary?
I hope your Dad and Eevee friend are there when you reach Heidreigon evolution qualifications!
(I'm tired, I can't remember her name for the life of me...🥲)
Or are you going to be brave and shrug it off like its not a big deal?
-I know you haven't even become a Zweilos yet, but just something that popped into my head.
Also, to our Eevee friend, so you're sort of pre-disposed to Jolteon DNA?
Does that sway you more towards becoming a Sparky gal?
You think your fur characteristics would transfer over to your evolution?
Or would you want to be something like yours truly- an Umbreon?
Any eeveelution is fine, as long as you're comfy/happy! 😁
Also, what kinda currency does your shop take?
I'm not sure I have anything your family'd want...
Oh, and I'm guessing Dravina here gets the stuff ya don't sell, cause she was hinting at free stuff!😁
//This post is going to be pretty long, so I’m putting it all under a cut. Click on it to see the answers!
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Rye: Wait, you second that Dravena’s cool?
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Dravena: Oh man, oh man, oh man! I never told you about that! A ‘mon told me I was cool! And then he shared some of his meat cookies with me!
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Rye: Really? That’s awesome Drav!
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Dravena: Of course not! My dad's huge, and apparently really scary lookin but he’s super nice. Maybe a little too nice? I'm not sure what that Voice of Life thing you're talking about is, but it and my dad sound kinda similar.
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Dravena: There are bad Hydreigons. But that's up to the individual, not the species. S'not fair we all getta bad rap…
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Dravena: I mean, it'll be nice to see? But that ain't really a concern to me. I-
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Dravena: Never mind. But I doubt I'd wanna be a Zweilous longer than I hafta be. Though the heads might feel differently. Can't say I'd blame them either. It’s terrifyin’…
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Dravena: …I just hope everyone’ll be there for me, whatever happens.
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Rye: Of course! Why wouldn’t we be?
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Dravena:
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Rye: I'm not sure that pre-disposed is the best word? I'm not more likely to evolve into a Jolteon than any of the other evolutions. Though if I did evolve into one, I'd probably be stronger than if I evolved into anything else. I suppose that's what happens when you have a father who comes from a bloodline of countless generations of Jolteon before him.
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Rye: I'm not sure if I'd want to evolve into a Jolteon myself though. I don't know that it fits. Not sure what does though. I actually have been playing with the idea of becoming an Umbreon, funnily enough.
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Rye: And I'd assume my spikes would transfer over, whatever I choose. After all, they show up while l'm an Eevee!
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Rye: Oh, we take regular Poké! Though obviously you can't really buy anything from the bakery while you're at the sleepover. There is a plate of some of my mom's baked goods somewhere in this tower if you're interested in trying some before you get a chance to buy anything. Think of it as a sample!
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Rye: And Dravena does get some of the leftovers, though my family actually eats the majority of what doesn't get sold. Mom bakes Dravena a lot of stuff fresh.
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Dravena: It's so good too! Ya really should go buy somethin' if ya get the chance.
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Rye: I was wondering though, you mentioned that you were an Umbreon, right? I mean you kinda look like one, though your colors look a good bit different, and you’ve got wings. So, if you don’t mind me asking, are you a hybrid? Or is there another explanation on why your coat is pink and you have wings?
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Dravena: I mean she'd have to be a hybrid. She said she was dark and dragon-type right? Ain't Umbreons just dark?
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tolkien-feels · 2 years
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Tbh, I just feel like it’s important, that with Elros to emphasize his like mannish-ness and his mannish ancestry, because not only does his choice to be human shows that in some way we can assume that is what he connected more with, just like…frankly? It’s his human ancestry that lends him and his ancestors legitimacy to being kings of the edain/dunedain as he would technically have been born from all three groups. Taking the mannish out of Elros, is really weird to me, like that’s not to say he doesn’t like acknowledge his elvish roots, I just think it’s probably like…more impactful to empathize Elros as a Mortal Man than as a Half Elf since, unlike Elrond, he seemed to have committed to a human persona rather than a half elves one which makes sense considering like, the idea of like, once your mortal, that’s it. You’ve chosen. You have to commit.
Idk, I just really like a much more mannish elros, like he seemingly choose to be mortal bc he wanted too not out of love or duty so like, I feel like it’s nice to have someone want to be human, and it also makes how much later numenoreans didn’t want to be human even sadder? 
That makes sense and is very valid!
I........ ended up writing a fairly long post about this, so here it is under a cut. The tl;dr though is that I agree with you on some points but would like to push back a little on some others.
Personally, I tend to go with Elros, like Elrond, being Very Much Elros Peredhel. Granted, this is probably just me projecting - my family is from China but I'm not, so I tend to want to latch on to characters who have mixed heritage and refuse to pick a side. Which does not mean being "kinda like an elf." It means being something else altogether.
(As a side rant, my blood boils when people take characters like Elrond or Arwen and do math to figure out what race they "really" are. Genealogical math can be fun, but it's irrelevant in terms of how characters identify. People don't... measure parts of their identity to fit their dna. I know that's not what you're doing, anon, I'm just ranting because it's relevant to how I approach the twins.)
Having said all this, I feel like Elros made his choice for a reason. If I had to pick someone (other than Elrond) to compare him to, then maybe I'd go with Aragorn? Aragorn is equally comfortable speaking of himself as one of Elrond's race and as a mortal man. That's how I imagine Elros - holding overlapping identities and seeing no contradiction in that.
Now, of course, he chooses to be one of the Edain, and he's surrounded by them all the time, he's their leader. I very much think being immersed in a culture he already identified with to begin with would very naturally lead to Elros becoming much more Mannish than Elrond is. So in that sense, I definitely agree with you, Elros is much more of a Man than Elrond.
But I also think Elros chose "to abide with Men" and Elrond chose to "be numbered among the Eldar" - I don't think either of them becomes one single race. The way I headcanon it (and again, I'm sure this is me bringing my personal life into the text), they chose whose fate they wanted to share. But they grew up to adulthood being peredhil, and I headcanon they don't really want to be anything besides that, that's who they are. Their choices are extremely important, of course, but I really like to headcanon that it doesn't flip a switch that changes their identity in any way (though of course it informs their choices going forward, which in turn impacts them, but that's just how life works for everyone.)
...unless it's really tragic or really funny in which case I'm ready to throw this under the bus and oversimplify this very nuanced issue, because that's the kind of person I am.
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ashbrat488 · 7 months
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Foul Play - Chapter 22
Millicent clung nervously to Henry's hand as they entered his parents' house. Reluctantly, she handed over her coat. "Don't be nervous, Shortcake," he whispered, giving her hand a reassuring squeeze before leading her into the kitchen. The room fell silent as they entered.
"Everyone, this is Millicent... my girlfriend," Henry announced with a wide grin, emphasizing the word 'girlfriend.' Millicent smiled back, her nervousness easing as she playfully nudged his shoulder.
His mother, Marianne, stepped forward to introduce herself first. "I'm Marianne, and this is my husband, Colin." She motioned to Henry's father on her right, and with a warm smile, pulled Millicent into a hug before she could react, leaving her feeling slightly awkward. Henry sighed and intervened, "Mama, personal space, please."
"It's okay," Millicent mumbled, allowing Marianne's arm around her shoulders as she turned toward the rest of the family. "And these are Henry's older brothers, Piers, Nik, and Simon, and their wives."
Millicent timidly raised her hand in greeting as Henry gently moved her away from his mother's enthusiastic embrace. "You didn't tell me your family was so big, Henry..."
"I didn't want to scare you away before you even got here," he admitted with a teasing chuckle.
"Sneaky," she replied, a playful gleam in her eyes, as Henry chuckled and kissed her temple before offering her a seat at the table and sitting beside her.
Glancing around the table, Millicent noticed that most of Henry's family members were still watching her. She took a sip of her water as dishes were passed around. "Let me guess, Henry has never brought a girl home before?"
Laughter erupted around the table, confirming her suspicion, and she saw Henry blush slightly. Colin spoke up once the laughter subsided, "What's a pretty girl like you doing with Henry to begin with?"
"Dad..." Henry groaned, but Millicent found his father's curiosity endearing.
"He wore me down, I guess." She nudged his shoulder teasingly as he chuckled.
"You're American? What's the story there?" Colin inquired next as Henry sighed annoyed beside her.
"It's fine," she reassured, and then proceeded to share her story. "My mother was American. She did a semester over here, slept with my dad, and found out she was pregnant when she returned home. I met my dad when I was 16 through one of those DNA tests. When my mom passed away, he asked if I wanted to move here with him, and he could get me into college. So, I accepted."
"And what is your degree?" Colin inquired.
"I want to be a lawyer," Millicent answered, pausing to consider the terminology. "Or, I guess you call it a solicitor here? Or a barrister? I haven't chosen my path yet. Although I'm generally shy, there's something exciting about potentially pleading your case in court."
Colin chuckled; his eyes filled with pride. "A solicitor. That's great. It was a pain trying to get Henry to go to college and obtain a degree. I'm still hoping that he leaves his childish dream of being a rugby player behind and becomes a solicitor too."
"Dad..." Henry groaned again, and Millicent saw him hang his head down, pushing food around his plate.
She reached out and rested her hand on his thigh, giving it a supportive squeeze. "Well, he's really great, and I believe in him."
Marianne smiled warmly as Henry lifted his head to smile at Millicent. "You guys are cute."
"Yeah, what did you do to get this girl, Henry?" His oldest brother, Piers, teased, and Henry shrugged modestly.
"Just lucky, I guess."
"At least you'll have a level-headed woman at your side when you realize it's time to hang up your dream and get an adult job," Colin chimed in, grinning.
"Can we please talk about something else, please?" Henry requested, his tone becoming more serious as Colin sighed and everyone broke off into smaller conversations.
Millicent discreetly took Henry's hand under the table, making him look at her. She smiled and leaned closer, whispering softly in his ear, "I'm sorry about them. I believe in you."
"Thank you, Milly," he replied softly, nuzzling her nose with his before planting a sweet kiss on her lips and returning to his meal.
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"So, I'm really the first girlfriend, huh?" Millicent asked Marianne as the two women worked together to clean up the kitchen, while the men retreated to the lounge for drinks and conversation.
Marianne chuckled, and one of Henry's sisters-in-law chimed in, "First girlfriend, no. First girl he brought home, yes."
Millicent laughed in agreement, nodding as she dried some plates. "Right. Well, thank you for having me. I'm not used to having such a large family around. I'm an only child, and it was just my mom and me. And now it's just my dad and me."
"You're welcome here anytime, sweetheart," Marianne said warmly, patting Millicent on the shoulder reassuringly. "I can see how smitten Henry is with you."
"I appreciate that. Thank you, Mrs. Cavill."
"Marianne is fine, dear."
"Thank you, Marianne," Millicent replied, her cheeks tinged with a slight blush.
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Millicent turned to Henry as he began to drive her home. "I like your family. Though they're quite loud."
Henry laughed, his hand resting on her thigh. "Yeah, maybe I should have warned you. I didn't want to scare you away. Hopefully, I still haven't?"
"You haven't," she replied, leaning to rest her head on his arm. "In fact, I already told my dad that I'll be spending the night with you at your apartment... if that's okay?"
"Really?" Henry turned to her with a wide grin, and she nodded. "You want to spend the night with me?"
"I do."
Chapter 23
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poisonnxkki · 2 years
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The Struggles of Ancestor Work & Veneration🦋
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The Benefits of Ancestor Work:
Before I dive into this post I want to preface with this: ancestor work is for everyone, even if you don't know your family heritage and even if your blood relations were assh*les in life. Ancestor work can involve relatives but it is not limited to just blood relatives. Also, I am of European descent and even though I am going to try my best to make this post as general and accessible as possible, my experiences are going to be reflective of that particular identity.
There are many benefits to working with your ancestors. They are often times the easiest spirits to form connections with and can be some of the most understanding in your spiritual team. Your ancestors share a personal connection to you (whether it's blood, cultural heritage, identity, etc) and so they are often the spirits that are most willing to help us with our desires (manifestations, spells, etc). They can also be our first defence against spiritual attack and are the most protective of us. Angering someone else's ancestors may very well be the easiest way to get ur butt kicked spiritually (especially if those ancestors practiced in their lifetimes). They are guides who were once human (unlike deities) and so they respond to our struggles and failures differently. Many of our ancestors will still possess the same personalities they had in life which can be a comfort during times of grief or difficulty.
The Difficulties of Ancestor Work:
Some people (especially those who do not know their heritage or maybe aren't proud of it) will hesitate to begin this journey. I can say with confidence that I dragged my feet forever. As someone who is aware of the effect that yt people have on the world, I hesitated because of the possibility that my ancestors may have contributed to the discrimination of other minorities. Looking back, I believe I used that as an excuse. As someone who possesses tremendous privilege, it is my responsibility to take ownership of the pain that has been caused, do my best to foster understanding and ensure that behaviours of past individuals are not repeated. I do this by challenging prejudice, understanding how I contribute to further discrimination, listening to the voices of BIPOC individuals, decolonizing my practice and more. These are all things that I would have done either way but I believe they are especially important to keep in mind when working with my ancestors.
If you are someone who was adopted or never learned much about your culture then your journey will look different. I have some suggestions but the most important thing is that you take your time and explore this path when you are ready. DNA testing to find out your ancestry may be beneficial. I have heard from adoptees that this has been very helpful and has provided some answers to questions that they had struggled with. If this is not something that is feasible for you then I suggest instead, you examine your identity as an individual. What pronouns do you use? What is your sexuality or gender identity? What skills do you posses? What about talents? Mallorie Vaudoise spoke about "affinity ancestors" in her book Honoring Your Ancestors. Affinity ancestors are the ancestors who may not share our blood but instead share our interests, identities or other affinities. If you feel more comfortable working with these ancestors then do so!
Remember that working with your ancestors will always be your choice. There are pros and cons to this work, just like any other spirit relationship. Your experience is going to be unique depending on your background, interests, culture and more. Also, I think it's okay to choose what aspects of your identity you want to honour. For example, maybe you are of Russian and German descent, it is okay to explore and honour both. Or maybe you want to honour your Russian heritage only, that's okay too. Just make sure it resonates with you and works in your practice.
My Veneration Practices:
I am going to list somethings that I do to honour my ancestors that can applied to any practice.
Provide them with water or wine- water (or other beverages) is pretty standard when working with spirits. You will find that this practice appears in many traditions and is appreciated by the spirits as well.
Physical offerings- I usually keep a bowl next to the glass of water with cigarettes (because my recent ancestors smoked) as well as tea bags or coffee grounds, coins, and other herbs associated with peace and healing (you can use anything that resonates with you instead). Another common offering in some cultures is incense. My ancestors don't really care for physical offerings very much but I keep the bowl there anyways.
A candle- my ancestors love that they get their own candle just like an other deity/entity. I light this candle when I am inviting them into my space or doing workings with them. You can use any colour but my ancestors prefer white (& vanilla scented for some reason).
Non-physical offerings- I wrote a whole post on non-physical offerings so feel free to check that out for more info but doing acts like yoga or singing in honour of or as an offering for your ancestors is something they will really enjoy.
Prayer- I know prayer may leave a very Christian aftertaste in your mouth but it is a practice that predates Christianity and can be used in your ancestor work, especially if you have Christian/religious ancestors. Using prayers, to tell them about your day or your worries, is a great way to communicate with them and develop your relationship.
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🖤For more info on ancestor work, check out this book: Honoring Your Ancestors by Mallorie Vaudoise
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pompadourpink · 2 years
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Hi! I feel hopeless. I just dont get along with my family
So here's the thing. I wanted to study abroad. They cried and accused me of being selfish. So i studied for our national uni exam ( +8 hours a day for all the year) . I almost lost my mind. I lost my mental well being. I was at home all the year. Now i became successful. But my life is a hell still. I want to spend my summer holiday here in our home. They wanna go to country ( where there is nothing for me to do,no friends, not even a mall) they wanna do garden stuff. And my mum cries and tells me she wants to spend time with me. So i accept staying there for one fucking month even though i dont want to. They always accuse me things that make me hate myself. They pushed me through this academic way, i was found gifted. They made me take all these tests, they said i shouldnt study abroad or study hard. My dad is angry that i want to take a prep year in uni ( which everyone takes here) like wtf. We just dont get along. I dont understand them at all and to be honest im too mentally tired to cope with them. I almost lost my mind this year, i think i deserve a break seriously. What should i do? They always cry and blame me and then i do what they want. All my life. But im still bad. And still selfish.
Hello dear,
I first want to ask you this: if it was anyone else in the world, would you allow them to treat you this way? Would you allow a teacher, classmate, neighbour, to tell you what to do, torment you, and make you miserable? Just because someone shares DNA with you doesn't mean they get permission to treat you like garbage and get away with it. Parents owe unconditional love, not kids.
It's not about you. Bullies do what they do because they hurt and have not healed - what you are is a coping mechanism, a punching ball, an easy target. You could objectively be a parent's wet dream and it wouldn't fix the way they treat you, because they're not trying to make you better, they're trying to make themselves feel good. Remember that South Park episode where Kyle's dad, a miserable man turned online bully, inadvertently drives a woman to sui(ide and is flabbergasted that she did it because he never saw it as a possibility, never thought about her feelings. There's nothing in the world you can do to make things better because if it wasn't you, it would be someone else, and if you didn't want to leave, they'd find something else to bother you about. When someone wants a reason to be mad, they'll always manage to find one. It can get better only if they decide to go to therapy and start getting better - which they might never do. This is not your fault and you do not deserve any of it.
Regarding your studies, go and don't look back. You will feel guilty, sure, because you've been raised to have a sense of duty towards family and absolutely no spine, but you already do, so at least you'll feel guilty while finally doing what you want, what you won't have another opportunity to do, what will get you closer to your goals - and you will be by yourself, free of negative energy, able to start healing and realise how good and strong you are. "I shouldn't have done it" is a crappy feeling but "Shit, I should have done it" is even worse.
What should you do? One, find another support system. Sadly, you will not get a change of behaviour, apology, or the unconditional love you've been craving from them. Find other people you can trust. Stop sharing your plans, goals or thoughts with them: you're not going to make them feel bad and change, you're just handing them new ways to hurt you. Stop putting your hand in the lion's mouth and wondering why you're bleeding. Become a grey rock. Two, find yourself. Go through your beliefs, traditions, principles, and wonder what actually fits the person you are; look for would you rather questions online, watch a lot of movies, read a lot of books, travel, meet people, find out what's inside, underneath all of that pain. Three, rebrand. Treat yourself like your own young child. If your eight-year-old had forgotten to do the dishes, would you call them names and ground them? No, you would say that's okay baby, you didn't do anything wrong, let's put a little music on and do them now together.
Also, check out the malks tag and look for relationship advice - someone who has been abused as a kid will get a very unhealthy, transactional idea of love and is likely to get into abusive relationships (with a romantic partner or a friend), and you have enough to heal from already. Protect yourself.
I would obviously encourage you to get a therapist. If you can't, feel free to reach out, there are a few books and websites I can send you.
Much love,
Mum
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soul2soulradiance · 11 months
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Can I be honest for a minute. I started to get irritated and relaxed on my boundaries. I'm sitting here like God I don't understand. I'm doing what you tell me to do, slaying giants with You, obeying You and all of dat, but STILL don't have a good man in my life? Still single as a Pringle?! Really? While everybody else seems to be jumping into a relationship, happy, and living their best life. Not only that but God is telling me we need to uproot more trauma and this trigger! Oh look you overreacted or under reacted here. Like God, MORE healing and deliverance, more soul and character work?! Geez! Why?? I'm getting weary. I'm frustrated. I'm borderline bitter. And I don't want to tell people stuff because this is really difficult. I try to make light of it by laughing or watching things that are warm hearted. But then I go on a binge and share too much, or rebel a little and do things my own way, and feel like oh man! I shared too much. Overthinking. Acting out. Blah blah blah. Why is this so difficult. Be a leader with your family, at work, with friends, as a Christian (feeling left out and different). I know who I used to be and I know how far God has brought me, but why when I make a mistake do I feel like I'm so far behind still. What is too much and what is not enough to ask for? What requires time to process and what is something I need to let go of quickly. Why haven't these things become my habits already.
Pick up your cross and die daily. Matthew 16:24-26
Then Jesus told his disciples, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?"
😔 thank you Holy Spirit. This is why I have to keep going.
The promise after the storm- isaiah 40:31
Yet those who wait for the Lord will gain new strength; they will mount up with wings like eagles, they will run and not get tired, they will walk and not become weary.
Abba God, Your will to be done and not my own. It is easy and comfortable to fall back into habits I had that no longer serve me. Progress over perfection says keep going. In the midst of the difficulty, learn. In the middle space keep looking up. In the hard spot be transformed by the renewing of your mind. I am loved by you, just as I am. And you love me so much that you don't desire for me to be barren any longer. My character is changing, my thought patterns are changing, my DNA is changing, and it's all in order to follow You. There is so much more I can feel it. So I will keep following you.
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(Apollo) I found myself daydreaming today, which is not something I've ever done since being here. I was missing my... family. Two of my demigod children are here and I'm grateful for that, but I wish I could talk with my fellow gods once again. The only immortal we know from my source is Kronos, and of course the last time we interacted we were at war, so while we have much in common it is a sensitive subject for many in both our system and his.
I suppose the biggest problem for me lately is that I want to be able to love again. But I could not become involved with another mortal, even though I am now as well. There is too much pain there, too many I have lost.
There is someone that I would be quite happy to see again in this world. Someone who would understand the struggles I've been facing these past 2 years. But how could I ever tell Percy, who I consider a friend, that I was once in love with his father? I can assure you that boy would not want me as a stepfather. Besides, Poseidon was married (not that that stopped anyone else in that pantheon) and also my uncle (neither did that to be honest, something something gods don't have DNA) and would not want to share a brain with his father, that being of course the aforementioned titan lord.
But I have a feeling this is going to be on my mind for a while. ADHD is certainly a predicament. This is a very bad time, my son Will and my daughter Kayla are both dealing with their own romantic struggles at the moment. What is a former god to do, hmm?
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Hello! I have to say that your newest chapter of HoF was so so 🥹 & made me feel all of the feelings. I love seeing how differently Liv reacted to Sealview now that she has support & family around her. That she was willing to get help and see beyond the forest bc she had El who she knew would catch her & love her through it. And that sometimes, you need people who you love enough to do the hard things for. And then Instinct was 🔥. It amazes me how you can toggle between the two yet each story still has your stamp on it that makes it Leah.
I have to admit that any adoption story or ep is rough on me bc I’m nervous about how adoption will be treated since it’s so close to my ❤️. I get nervous whenever the adoptee doesn’t treat her adoptive fam as her real fam & considers the bio parents as their “real parent” bc it usually indicates how adoption will be portrayed in the rest of the story (hopefully that makes sense). However bc it’s you, I trust that it will be treated fairly and written thoughtfully & beautifully. And I think it’ll be such an interesting story bc Liv adopted & clearly treats Noah differently than Gabi was treated by her parents. And also, we don’t know yet if Gabi adopted her kids either (which I like bc my family and I don’t think about adoption in all of our inner thoughts either!). All’s to say is that I’m excited to get to know Gabi a bit more & delve into another tiny universe.
Anywho I hope my ramblings conveyed my utter appreciation for you and your writing and all that you give us!
thank you so much for this!! that's something i really wanted to dig into, is how differently does liv react to things when she's not alone, when she hasn't been for years? when she's been learning all this time that she doesn't have to carry everything alone, instead of having that belief reinforced at every turn? when she doesn't have to worry about elliot trusting in her abilities on the job, when she doesn't have to send him home to someone else and go back to an empty apartment alone, but when the one person who she cares about most, who understands her most, is not part of her job, and is instead just part of her life? how does knowing that she has to be there for her family change the choices she makes? so i'm really glad you're enjoying it.
and i want to thank you for coming in to share your thoughts about in the blood. the sort of thesis question behind in the blood is, what makes a family? gabi often felt out of place in her adoptive family, and that's an important part of her story BUT BUT BUT many, many gay kids grow up feeling that way in their biological families. hell, many straight kids do, for a variety of reasons. and the reasons gabi has a tense relationship with her parents aren't down to her having been adopted; she may at times wonder if that's why, but it isn't, and she knows it isn't, she knows that the things that made that relationship tense would have been the same even if she was their biological child; it's who they are that causes friction. and she knows her experience is not the only way people experience adoption; she's been gathering narratives of other adoptees for her article, and we'll see her thoughts later on about all the different stories she's heard, and all the different experiences she's encountered, and how they can't just all be lumped into one box. and we'll see gabi confronting that through observing liv's relationship with noah, and through observing her relationship with her own kids. and we'll look at blood family, bc gabi is bound by blood to liv and burton, and the biological ties don't suddenly make them all a family, even if gabi, before she knows anything about her father, wonders if it might. gabi's connection with her biological mother has been a positive thing, but the point we'll belabor there is that this isn't bc of DNA, it's bc of who they are as people. the person olivia is, that's what made her so kind to gabi. olivia isn't accepting of gabi just bc gabi is her biological child; she would treat anyone that way, and we have seen her offer acceptance and support to noah on his own journey. and then of course we'll have elliot's family, and gabi observing the way elliot treats her, the way he treats noah, the way his family opens up to liv's family and how they all blend in together.
the story is called "in the blood", but it's not what it first appears. bc what gabi will come to learn is that it isn't in the blood; that what makes a family is love, and choices. choosing to stay, choosing to support one another, choosing to be part of one another's lives. biological or adopted, that part doesn't matter; the love is what matters. i was toying with the old saying, you know, i'm sure you've heard this by now, but the common way we say "blood is thicker than water" to mean biological ties are paramount is actually the opposite meaning of the original phrase. it was originally "the blood of friendship is thicker than the water of the womb"; that is, that the ties we choose are more profound than the ones we inherit.
so i hope that, after all that explanation, you maybe find some reassurance; i do not take this topic lightly, and the last thing i want is to offend anyone.
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rancorsdelight · 2 years
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I'm new to TCW but...
Do the ones who don't like cloneship/clonecest and yet, devour reader/clone smut or their oc/clone smut, somehow think that makes them better than everyone else?
Because if you think you aren't fetishizing these POC copy and paste men or whatever dog whistle term you are using now, you are my dudes. You are.
Also its a good thing that these self proclaimed "better" TCW fandom milfs don't have people who take them seriously outside fandom (and even there, it seems like they are the ass of the SW fandom joke) because calling people "Incest apologists" is called SLANDER. Because, I don't know how to tell you this kids, but no, no one is okaying incest/apologizing for it/supporting it in the real world. And just because someone writes on their blog claiming that they are -- doesn't mean its true.
Just like the hostile proship ANONS some of these people claim they get. They could be sending it to themselves to get attention. It seems like a lot of them have lost their audience. Weird how when you pollute your good message of Unwhitewash the TBB with falsely accusing disabled people of abilism, calling POCs who disagree with you "internalized colorism?!?" and then supporting artists who CULTURALLY APPROPRIATE MAORI CUSTOMS (they start with an O) and think its okay because someone told them it was okay, you end up on the many block lists floating around TCW fandom.
And that's a YOU problem.
I have surfed around and seen MANY UniBomber style manifestos on these "blogs" with 10 paragraphs of why supposed cloncest/cloneship is, I dunno, fiction that is causing real-life incest? Like, what the fuck? Trying to sound all scholarly, saying that fiction "always influences real life"?
So.. by that logic, all murder authors condone murder? All smut writers condone S&M and dubcon and abusive sex? This is what happens when you try to be a Social Justice Warrior, and use a strawman argument. It doesn't work. I'll assume that most of these people are not even over the age of 25, and have been listening to people tell them everything in black and white. Evangelicals with a gay hat, I guess.
I do not read clone/clone, but I don't consider 3 million guys siblings. Shared DNA only matters for procreation in this context. (and NO I am not saying real life incest doesn't matter because the victim and perpetrator share DNA, I am saying in this context of 3 million xeroxed people, who, and I'll say it slowly, DO NOT EXIST)
I share DNA with people I have never heard of, don't know and never will according to Ancestry. It may be something as small as a single strand from a common ancestor 100-300 years down the line. They are not my family, never will be and anyone arguing that is a lunatic searching for a straw to cling to.
Again, these guys don't exist. Its really fucking sad and scary you guys have to be repeatedly told that.
I challenge these bloggers to go to a Sexual Assault crisis center and tell them that fictional SW character ships are equal to incest victims trauma. Better yet, do something to support those centers, instead of screaming into the void.
Don't like being called out? Tough shit. Reader/Clone is fetishizing. OC/Clone is fetishizing. Spreading slander makes you a piece of shit. No one believes you anyway.
Let people enjoy the fandom how they want.
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rayless-reblogs · 8 months
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Thank you for tagging me, @iffylogic!
Currently Reading:
I just finished The Fasting Girl by Michelle Stacey, the (real, but very much speculated-over) account of Molly Fancher. In Brooklyn in the mid-1800s, she became famous for never eating -- for years and years, over a decade. Obviously this is a medical impossibility, but many people stood by her and claimed she was a living miracle. The book does a good job investigating both her story and this period in history and how it created Molly and other "fasting girls" who achieved some celebrity, looking at changes in medicine, science (hello, Darwin), emerging studies in psychology, gender/family roles, and religion that were making people, especially young women, feel several kinds of weird. The book of course deals extensively with disordered eating (and is somewhat out of date, being published in the early 2000s), and it's a bit longer than it needs to be, but I learned a lot and enjoyed reading it.
I'm now reading The Unpredictable Bride, a romance by Barbara Cartland in which she's trying very hard to be Georgette Heyer. BC isn't one of my favorite authors because her heroines are usually very wishy washy and sentimental and just... ninnies, honestly But this one so far has a lot more backbone and fun in her. We'll see how it goes.
Currently Watching:
Having gotten through Avonlea, I'm continuing my dive into early 90s period dramas by rewatching Dr Quinn, Medicine Woman. It's very earnest and often very awkward about it, but in a way that I enjoy, and there are always lots of horses on screen, so that's nice.
Next on my watch list:
I have no idea yet, so instead I'll say what I'm playing -- replaying Fate/Extra, which I hadn't touched in a few years. After that, I'm thinking of trying something new -- probably Scarlet Nexus. It shares some DNA with Tales of the Abyss and I've heard good things about it.
Current Obsession:
I really enjoyed The Caligula Effect 2, which I played last month, but sadly there isn't really enough fan content around to really build up a proper steamroller of obsession. But I've done a lot of my own Caligula art, and that'll be posted on and off. I'm also thinking of doing a long art project next year, which I don't want to promise, but I've started doing some sketches for.
I'm also hoping to have another book published this year (not the project I was working on during the summer -- an earlier book) and right now I'm in the process of working on the cover/back cover design, drawing the different elements and figuring out the layout. I haven't yet started the inner layout or the final edit, so it'll still be a little while before it's available.
And let's see, what else...? I tried Tazo's Turmeric Bliss tea the other day, that was really good!
Thanks again for the tag, Iffy! As always, if anyone sees this and wants to participate, consider yourself tagged.
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Schizophrenic Nico, here's why I think it's possible:
I want to start off by saying these are just my thoughts, there is no one way to be schizophrenic or to have schizophrenia. It's also important to note that many of the schizophrenic symptoms overlap with other mental illnesses/nuerodivergences like ADHD, Autism, Depression, and OCD which I know many people who head canon Nico as having. I'm not arguing schizophrenic Nico is more correct, more canon, or more right, but to explain some thoughts on why I think it's possible/very likely he does so I can use this for future reference in various thing.
I am using the term schizophrenia as a catchall for all "types" of schizophrenia, but not for schizoaffective disorder which I would say Nico probably doesn't have.
Children born in the winter/those who were "sickly" as babies are more likely to develop schizophrenia. It may also be possible if your mother was sick while pregnant with you, or having a father who was significantly older when he had you.
A stressful life, especially trauma, are more likely to develop schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder. It likely has something to do with excessive dopamine production, but it may also have something to do with the same genes that control the sleep-wake cycle. Schizophrenia is more common with other mental illnesses or with other nuerodivergences or developmental delays.
Common symptoms include:
Hallucinations
Delusions
Disorganized thinking
lack of motivation
slow movement
change in sleep patterns
poor grooming or hygiene
changes in body language and emotions
less interest in social activities
Now what does this mean for Nico, and why do I think it's likely he has Schizophrenia?
Let's start with Nico's childhood, "children born in the winter/those who were "sickly" as babies are more likely to develop schizophrenia". Although Rick proposed two birthdays for Nico, the fandom generally accepted the January date more fully. We also know that Nico is described as small when he was younger, smallness is common in children who grow up sickly, but it is also common in children who's mother was ill while pregnant with them. We obviously don't know if Nico was sick as a kid, or if Maria was sick while pregnant with him, but again being born in the winter makes these things more likely, as well as consideration for the time period Nico grew up in and the larger variety of illnesses going around at the time. (He is vaccinated against some things though).
Trauma and Nico... do I really have to go into super detail on this one? He spent his childhood growing up in a fascist country that was extremely racist/anti-Semitic/homophobic/etc, his mom died when he was a child- in front of him, his father intentionally gave him amnesia, his sister died when he was a child, he then proceeded to become homeless living/spending lots of time with Minos who verbally (and possibly physically) abused him, becoming aware of his past memories, becoming aware of the fact that many people hated him because of his father and because they thought he was joining the other side (therefore, he was "bad"), he fought in many battles as a child, fought monsters alone, was often faced with life or death situations, went to Tartarus alone (where the goddess of misery told him he was "perfect"), was trapped in a hostage situation with little/no air for a long time while people debated whether or not to save him, was outed against his will, was freed only to travel again fighting monsters and then win a battle, was eventually made to quest with Apollo despite still having lots of healing to do in ToN. So stressful life? Fuck yeah, that doesn't being to cover it.
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Genetic factors, obviously nothing here is confirmed so I'm speculating a little bit again, but the common idea in regards to Hades children through the series is that they are "bad". Mental illnesses have been stigmatized for hundreds, if not thousands of years, and often mentally ill people were made out to be weird/bad/etc. It's more than possible there is some sort of genetic factor taking place, also "having a father who was significantly older when he had you". Although I doubt godly genes work the same as mortal ones (trust me I have lots of thoughts on how god genetics/DNA work, but that's not the point right now), I think Hades being the oldest out of all his brothers and having a reputation for having "questionable" children says something... We have no information on Maria's family history at all.
As for schizophrenia often occurring with other mental illnesses and/or neurodivergences: Nico canonically is implied to have either ADHD and/or Autism, and is canonically stated to have PTSD. I think most people would agree that saying Nico has or has had depression isn't a stretch in the slightest.
So canonically we can all agree Nico has severe trauma and coinciding mental health issues/neurodivergences, so out of 4 possible issues I’ve first presented we guaranteeably have two. If I wanted to stretch this a little I would give myself a half point for him being born in the winter and a half point for the aspect of Hades genetics but I won’t do that.
On top of that schizophrenia usually appears during teenage and young adult years in people who receive diagnosis; most people live with mental illness for a few months or a few years in some cases before they're able to receive a diagnosis. Nico being 15 (16 by the end of ToN/shortly following the end of ToN) is about the age that schizophrenia would start to make an appearance. It's also more likely to be found in men, with men also noticing the appearance of schizophrenia appearing early in their lives, and experiencing more negative symptoms in comparison to the higher commonality of affective symptoms in women. That's a really complicated explanation to basically say there's 3 more things that would make Nico having schizophrenia make more sense.
Alright, let’s go back to the list of symptoms I provided:
Hallucinations
Delusions
Disorganized thinking
lack of motivation
slow movement
change in sleep patterns
poor grooming or hygiene
changes in body language and emotions/behavior
less interest in social activities
Once again, some of these are not solely related to schizophrenia and can be the result of other mental health issues, I’m just going to go down the list and add in some moments from the books in which Nico shows some of these traits/behaviors.
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Delusions/Hallucinations (more later)
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Our best chances for understanding Nico's thought process is in Blood of Olympus where he has a P.O.V... Sometimes Nico's thoughts do derail, or sometimes they get a little confusing, but not always, and when talking to others he is consistent and aware of what he's saying, as well as blunt. Anything "off" about his thought patterns to me just seems like ADHD..
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Dietary changes (whether or not you think he has an eating disorder) are behavioral changes (I personally think Nico has AFRID)
Within House of Hades Nico's poor sleep patterns are constantly referenced, and I'll give him a pass on poor hygiene because he's in the middle of a quest but still..
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I have extremely complicated feelings on what Will says here, it's possible Nico is an extremely unreliable narrator (unlikely, it seems many people are bothered by him and only maybe a handful aren't), I've also thought at many points this was Rick trying to backtrack some stuff with Nico because he realized he'd made his story a little too harsh for a kids book, it could also be Will's trauma kicking in and that happening... I'm not counting it as full proof about Nico disliking social interactions, but Nico does try to leave even after this conversation and isn't convinced to stay until the last chapter, so maybe there's something to be said about people's dislike of him for being a Hades kid- but I think it's fair to say Nico also dislikes people at least some because he doesn't have interest in trying to befriend anyone either, and is quick to assume all people dislike him (paranoia/low self esteem/and some other possible stuff). There's lots of discussions to be had about this quote and other similar ones, and I don't think a broad brush approach of "Nico good everyone else bad" is accurate it's more, "Nico is good but he fails to try and you have to work on your own mental health everyone won just go to you, and also people dislike Nico for silly reasons and need to get over themselves and make an effort too". (I'm extremely oversimplifying my thoughts and feelings to keep it brief.)
More on delusions and hallucinations:
Now I want to state that lots of schizophrenia symptoms share a lot of commonalities with ADHD and with depression, so although I might include some moments you think are just ADHD/depression I wouldn’t necessarily disagree with you but they could also be schizophrenia or coexisting mental health issues/divergences. I also went through the DSM-5 for schizophrenia (the DSM-5 is just this big book with lists and it’s how doctors diagnose any mental health issue/divergence), I also looked through the DSM-IV (an older book from before DSM-5 which is no longer really used) and the differences between the diagnosis was fairly minimal but they quit categorizing types of schizophrenia and instead rely more on a couple of word descriptions that seem more in line with a spectrum rather than a checkable box.
In order to receive a schizophrenia diagnosis, two (or more) of the following, each present for a significant portion of time during a 1-month period (or less if successfully treated), and at least one of these symptoms must be (1), (2), or (3):
Delusions
Hallucinations
Disorganized speech (frequent derailment or incoherence)
Grossly disorganized or catatonic behavior
Negative symptoms (i.e., diminished emotional expression or avolition).
It’s important to note that only one of these need to be checked off/true if the patient has voices which narrate their actions/behaviors/thoughts or if the person has more than one voice conversing with each other.
Nico deals with auditory hallucinations (2), he believes the voice belongs to Bob, his titan friend he left in Tartarus:
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However this isn’t and immediate diagnosis because Bob’s voice doesn’t talk to another voice(s) in Nico’s head, and we don’t know if Nico has voices running commentary on his behaviors/thoughts.
The reason I state we are unaware if Nico has commentary isn’t because Nico hasn’t said anything, but because many people with schizophrenia before their diagnosis believe the narrative voices are just their thoughts and are a normal internal monologue- usually patients don’t realize anything is wrong until the voices start providing commentary on their actions so instead of “washing the dishes now” the voice(s) might say “wash the dishes now, you’re so lazy you can’t do anything, idiot” during a period of psychosis which may help them acknowledge that the voice(s) isn’t the way most people experience internal voice(s). It is very possible Nico is unaware he is experiencing narrative thoughts and simply assumes that his experience is something most people have, but I won’t use this to argue my point because it’s not confirmation of anything.
Returning now to Bob, Nico knows he is hearing Bob’s voice but he believes Bob is calling to him from Tartarus. Now, Nico says the voices are calling to him from Tartarus but there’s no confirmation of this anywhere… What I think is happening is Nico has a guilty conscience. He feels bad for “using” Bob to get out of Tartarus and various other things, so he feels bad that he is still down there. However, we don’t really know if Bob is calling to him or if Bob is able to do that- what I personally think is happening here is Nico’s brain is convincing Nico that Bob needs him because Nico is upset with himself for not helping Bob more, but also because Nico has never “sat still” before without a quest. Nico has also always felt the want to be needed/important...
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It very well could be a delusion.
Schizophrenic patients often experience delusions which make them think they are destined for greatness, or that they have some divine/high force calling out to them for help that only they can provide. It’s an extremely common thing in individuals who experience delusions, and is in fact one of the most common delusions experienced. So although Bob could really be calling out to Nico, I don’t think he is, it doesn’t entirely make sense and there’s lots of little things which point to it being not entirely real- like the fact that nobody else knows about it? Or how absolutely sure Nico is that he need to return to Tartarus? It seems like a mixture of PTSD, delusions, and trauma response (returning to the trauma), working against him. I’ll say delusion is very likely (1).
Using these two factors alone there’s sufficient evidence for diagnosis, but let’s keep going just to see.
For disorganized speech (3) this isn’t something Nico seems to struggle with, and even if he did “derailing” could be ADHD or Autism, so I don’t think this symptom pertains to him.
Changes in behavior (4), seem to all be explainable via depression and/or PTSD- he has begun to express emotion again in Tower of Nero upon learning of Jason’s death he is said to be upset by Will and he walks off to be alone, seems like depression to me. Emotional/Behavior changes from schizophrenia tend to relate more to bipolar disorder rather than a depressive disorder, so I would say if Nico has schizophrenia he probably doesn’t have emotional or behavioral changes from it. If he did he might have some catatonic behavior, but this seems to be clearing up some in Tower of Nero so I’m not super sure on that, maybe during bad periods of psychosis behavioral changes occur, but I would lean more towards this isn’t a symptom Nico personally deals with. Negative symptoms (5) tie into this same idea, it’s possible it’s schizophrenia, but it’s more likely PTSD or depression at work.
So why do I care so much about the possibility of Nico being schizophrenic?
I feel like canonically/fanonically making Nico schizophrenic does a few things, firstly schizophrenic rep in media is extremely extremely awful- can you think off the top of your head of a schizophrenic character who isn't from a horror film/a murder/a villain in their own story? Maybe, but personally I can only think of one which is Charlie from Perks of Being a Wallflower- and even then? That's not canon, it's only implied- and it might not even be true
Schizophrenic media representation always paints schizophrenic people as bad, scary, and evil, and although the horror genre is extremely well known for being super ableist, transphobic, racist, homophobic, and misogynistic (just the final cherry on top) having one of the first- if not the first openly confirmed schizophrenic characters in children's media not only be someone who has lots of character development, and isn't a stereotype, but also be someone people have grown up with, cared for, and sympathized with- would be extremely monumental.
People with schizophrenia and other related disorders aren't something to be scared of or to think of as bad, and often times they're more bothered by whatever they're experiencing than you are.
I don't have schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder or anything like that, but I have various undiagnosed mental health issues which often lead to me questioning reality, or having to set aside time to convince myself that no there isn't a man living in my wall... Having a character have to question those things, work through those feelings, and learn to trust themselves and care for themselves even with those difficulties would be really great to see in media, not just for people with schizophrenia but also for people with similar/related disorders who might share symptoms see parts of their own struggles in a good, educative way.
I have to finish this in two parts because tumblr keeps breaking because there's too many words in my post lmao (2nd part here)
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hey nico :) in chapter 151 there's a part which says sth along the lines of "weak people don't understand what real strength is, this is why nobody understood toji, except maybe gojo" - what do you personally think that means? does it relate to gojo being almost killed by toji, or rather something else?
I actually have so many (many) thoughts about this fight, so thank you so much for this question. Sorry if I get a little sidetracked.
Short answer? Yes, it's referring to Toji and Gojo's (first) fight.
Long answer?
The most important context for this question is that this statement is from Naoya's point of view. Both Toji and Gojo are people that he looked up to as pinnacles of strength in their own ways. But it wasn't always like that.
We open the chapter on Naoya thinking of Toji as weak and beneath him because that's what he's been taught to believe. Having a technique --especially a strong, inherited one-- makes you better than others from birth. And Gojo's the best example of this. He's the Strongest. He was always meant to be the Strongest. It's literally written into his DNA.
But someone like Toji --someone that his family thought of as weak, someone that his family abused for that weakness, someone who should not have ever been on equal footing with any sorcerer, much less Gojo-- beat him. Easily and on his own. So then, what does that say about Toji? What does that say about what Naoya's been taught?
I think this line is a nice and subtle way of showing that Naoya does question the values of his family even if he holds onto others. Obviously this thinking didn't extend to Maki --he can accept that Toji did the impossible; he can't accept that a woman could too-- but he can apply it to himself. If Toji can win a fight against someone that he shouldn't, then Naoya could too. Especially someone like Maki -- someone that he used to bully as a child, a girl who wasn't born with Toji’s exact gift, so surely, she can never be like him?
In that way Naoya and Maki's fight here mirrors Gojo and Toji’s first fight, but Naoya --through his learned idolization-- thinks he's the Toji of this scenario, when in reality, he's taken Gojo's place. And it ends exactly the same for him as it did for Gojo.
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Naoya thinks that he understands what strength is. He thinks that he understands Toji, just as he thinks that Gojo would have understood Toji due to their fight.
But Naoya doesn't actually understand anything, and we see that through how he underestimates and disregards the display of Maki's strength even after she killed the rest of the Clan. That's why he adds that she'll never be Toji -- that she'll never understand him or his strength the way Naoya does, despite sharing his Heavenly Restriction and having a similar upbringing.
As for what that means for Toji and Gojo? I think it means that Gojo didn't understand Toji just as much as Naoya didn't understand Maki. I also don't think Gojo would have wanted to understand Toji due to their past, much like Naoya didn't want to understand Maki due to his prejudices.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA people I your asks are wild. Listen I understand that black people especially in America have been robbed from a big part of their culture and identity. But that doesn't mean we should attribute other cultures to them.
I'm personally not considered Egyptian to most people, but my family traces back to an Egyptian group of people who migrated to palestine on missionaries. And it baffles me how easily people claim that Egyptian culture is black culture.
Ancient Egyptians looked literally how Egyptians look now. The sculptures are like, right there. I'm very confused on how there is doubt in some people's mind about this.
Are some Egyptians black? Sure, most of what is considered arab countries now have black people that are as much belonging to that country and its culture as everyone else.
It's honestly so off-putting seeing Ancient Egyptian culture being stolen like this from Egyptians. As an Arab I can easily say that Egyptians are one of the most disrespected nationalities in the Levant and in the gulf, and now people want rob them from the amazing scientific advancement that ancient Egyptian culture had.
I'm not sorry, anons, Egyptians are Egyptians. Black or not. If you're not Egyptian don't use their culture for a performance if you find cultural apropriation a serious issue.
I'm honestly tired of the international disrespect and marginalisation Egyptians experience. These people are chemists, doctors, artists, leaders. And they are Egyptians, that's an identity of their own, sparate from the concept of race that the west is so obsessed with.
exactly! like I get why black people try to latch onto egyptian culture as white people have claimed that there are no advanced black cultures and so black people are barbaric and below them and that's obviously not true there are plenty of black cultures like the Nubians, but this doesn't give black people the right to steal our culture and claim it as their own and then try to silence ACTUAL EGYPTIANS when we speak out against their claims. Literally everyone tries to claim egyptian accomplishments for their own: white people, black people, jews... and I'm fucking sick of it. We're right here!
DNA tests have revealed that surprise surprise modern egyptians share the same dna as ancient egyptians, not to mention that once again egyptians clearly separated themselves from their african neighbors and didn't identify themselves as the same race
yes there were black egyptians absolutely like queen Tiye. it is well known that she's black BECAUSE most other kings and queens weren't. I just really hate when oppressed people turn around and oppress others to elevate themselves like they should know firsthand how infuriating that shit is
anyway I don't care about cultural appropriation, lil nas can do what he wants and that's my entire point. if he can wear my culture as a costume and no one bats an eye then I don't want to see y'all raging when an idol wears dreads or something lmao or just say you're a hypocrite
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