#anti jily stans

[fanfic-lover-girl]

Romione isn't like Jily at all, and I don't know why people make the comparison besides for the fact that Ron and Hermione fulfil somewhat parental roles for Harry throughout his time at hogwarts.

James was arrogant, bullyish, upper-class. He relentlessly pursued Lily who gave in for reasons that are not explored in the text. Rowling throws in a cheap bone about "soulmates" with their patronuses matching, but it hardly lands.

Ron is similar to James only in that he welcomed Harry into his family and gave him a proper place of belonging. Hermione is similar to Lily only in that she's a muggleborn witch-- a similarity Harry has no interest in dwelling on. In Romione, it's Hermione who pursues Ron more often than it is the other way around, too. It's also worth noting that while James expects reciprocity from Lily for not being a blood supremacist, Ron has no such complex. He has defended Hermione from bigotry since long before he had any inkling that he was in love with her.

This isn't to convince you about Romione, obviously, but this is a comparison that irks me, so I want to set the record straight!

Hi anon! I love your commentary here! I agree with you completely!

I truly don't understand how you can compare Romione and Jily. All of Jily's development was off screen. Whereas with Romione, you can see the development of their relationship from start to end. I may not like the ship but I see the chemistry. This is absent with Jily.

Ron is a better person than James will ever be. And I would say that Hermione is a better person than Lily. I don't like Hermione but as I keep saying: if Draco sexually harrassed Harry like James did to Snape, Hermione would not stand there like a useless idiot trying to use words to get the attack to stop. At the very least she would get help. But we all know she would hex Draco to kingdom come before my boy Draco could even notice her presence. Hermione would never smile even accidentally at Draco bullying Ron and Harry. I don't even think she would laugh if DRACO was the one who was being sexually harrassed. Normally she is the only one in the trio who expresses an iota of concern when a Slytherin student is attacked (eg. Malferret attack, Montague in the cabinet).

Lily is a total bitch and I have no respect for her character. Using Lily as a litmus test for James' redemption is worthless in my book. I don't get what Jily shippers are even shipping. The entire relationship is basically nonexistent. Jily is only there for Harry's existence and to contribute to Snape's backstory. Nothing more, nothing less. Jily may as well be a fanon couple.

#anti james potter #anti lily evans #anti jily #jily hate #romione #hermione granger #ron weasley #my distaste for jily is so strong that i find myself defending a ship i dont like #anti marauders #anti pro jily romione fans #anti jily stans #anon #anti lily potter

[moonlightdancer26]

Snape antis like to use “He hurt someone Lily loved (Petunia)!” as proof that his love for Lily was obsessive and unhealthy, yet that rule somehow doesn’t apply to James, who not only blackmailed and threatened Lily, but choked and sexually assaulted Lily’s best friend.

#smh #severus snape #anti james potter #anti snaters #anti jily #pro snape #pro severus snape #snape #anti marauder stans #anti marauderfen #anti marauders stan #anti marauder fandom #harry potter #hp

[avegollum97]

1000/ the people that decided not to trust Lupin first were the fucking marauders , because I don't think Lupin even knew it was happening so it wasn't the entire order and if it was the rest of the order wouldn't have gone to his closest friends first ! And it dint come from Lily because I don't see her convincing even her husband of turning against a friend of his much less Sirius Black ...they were perfectly fine with putting people and HIM in danger for the sake of cool adventures just the year before , but all of a sudden they dint trust him for the very reason he was a werewolf , because what, they were all grown up now ? Fuck them ,bunch of hypocrits bastards ...nothing absulutly nothing in those books makes them sound like decent people !

#snape #anti james potter #anti jily #anti marauder stans

[controversialhpmemes]

Why spend your time putting so much hate out in the world? I mean this honestly, and kindly.

I am not a fan of Jegulus at all but I just.. don't follow people who ship Jegulus and/or talk a lot about them. Why make posts calling them stupid, when you can just move on to something you do enjoy and lift that up?

This is something I enjoy. I enjoy making controversial memes. I enjoy pointing out issues in fandom. I do not believe Jegulus stans are stupid. I believe the ship is stupid and it needs to be tagged AU, OOC, always. I got fed up with seeing bad takes, with having the Jily tag invaded by Jegulus and Wolfstar, with ignoring fandom issues. I got fed up with misogyny. With bad manners in tagging. With fandom getting toxic enough to drive authors away from writing what they want because tiktok or people in DMs bully them. Anon, I won't post on the blog forever. I am angry right now and taking it out this way. Anyone can block me. I have put "anti" tags and "critical" tags on all my posts to make it easy to filter me out. I'm angry and tired. I can't change fandom, but I can make stupid memes. Everyone needs an outlet. This one is mine.

#asked #answered

[my-castles-crumbling]

I wonder if the Jily anon squad anti-Jegulus group know they are more likely to put (some, not all but some) people off Jily than put them off Jegulus

I ship both very hard but love for Jily drops daily every time I see the jily stans acting how they do

sad thing is I did hear from others about being put off character/shows etc because of members of fandom so I guess that’s a thing that does happen ?

anyway want to leave this with something positive so here is some Jegulus flowers for your blog 🌻 🪻(flowers are AHB reference)

That's totally a thing that happens, and it's so frustrating!

Like...here's the thing: fandom isn't a universal thing. a lot of people find it nerdy or cringy, right? (not that those opinions should matter) But people in fandoms need to like...be positive to each other. We already have enough people saying mean things. PLUS a fandom literally only works if there are people in it. It's FUN when there are lots of people, who are constantly commenting, writing, sharing. When you chase people off, you're literally ruining it for yourself!

Idk. It's silly. Like...c'mon, guys

#ask #asks #ask cas #the marauders #marauders #harry potter #marauders era #fanfic #marauders fandom #harry potter marauders #marauders fanfiction #jegulus #jily

[ddejavvu]

hey Mei! Big fan, could I get 3, 6 and 10 from choose violence?

3.) screenshot or description of the worst take you've seen on tumblr

one time this stranger things fan was writing an anti-billy post and they wrote that he only had fans because he was white and conventionally attractive and then said that they wished his actor would have been a POC 'so that everyone would hate him'. super fucking weird, like, why are you wishing that an actor would get harassed by a bunch of racist weirdos online 😭😭 you're 100% allowed to dislike characters (especially ones that were intended to be the antagonists) but don't fantasize about a world where their actor suffers bigotry just because you don't like the character. p sure they apologized but i mean all internet apologies are a fat load of dogshit so

edit: oh they also wished that his actor was plus-size for the same reason. 'i wish he was fat so he had no stans' OH ! okay.

6.) which ship fans are the most annoying?

the jily vs. jegulus folks. there is so much animosity surrounding shipping in the marauders fandom in general but whenever i see jegulus stans beating up lily for no reason, or jily stans being 'subtly' homophobic in regards to jegulus, it pisses me off so much. just ignore the content you don't want to see and don't waste your breath complaining about it to people who won't change their minds because of what you're saying.

10.) worst part of fanon

marauders time again! some fics have become so famous and normalized that they're 'canon' now, and authors are criticized when they try out different interpretations of the characters. ppl will call remus ooc if he's not an asshole now and i will never forgive atyd for turning people against og fandom remus. there could be such a beautiful balance of both and i miss it </3

choose violence

#mei's mail

[meear]

I'm trying to stop being so negative but then i go in the Regulus Black tag and it's full of J*gulus and Mar*uders stans woobifying him and explaining why he never actually wanted to become a Death Eater

So I go in the anti Jegulus tag instead but when it's not Jily stans explaining why Regulus is the worst person alive who only died for Kreacher anyway, it's Snape stans slandering him because the mar*uders fans insist on making Regulus their sarcastic uwu boy, so now he's catching strays. I can't have shit in this house

#i just have a very specific and niche appreciation of this very minor chafacter like..... #regulus black #anti jegulus #free regulus i'm so serious....

[cattiemk]

choices, is like, the best fic ever, because it knows how to tell a story without justifying the things people do because of what happens to them. for regulus, for example, because he’s psychically abused and mentally abused(+ the yk sexual abuse and stuff), but it doesn’t excuse the fact that he did horrible things for himself. like when barty sexually assaulted mary and regulus found out and stopped it, but also hid the real culprit of the assault and blamed it on someone else, while also changing mary’s memories so the person regulus blamed it on was what she remembered. that was for himself, maybe a little bit for barty but mainly for himself. what made that so disgusting was that mary went through what regulus did, and yet he still helped cover it up.

regulus is not a good person. and james even said: “maybe he wasn’t a good person, but he tried to be” and he did try, but he also didn’t want to be a good person. he knew he was bad and he didn’t do anything to stop it.

you could argue that he did it all for sirius or james, but there was no reason for him to meddle in what happened to mary. he should’ve stopped it, yes, but he also should’ve turned barty in when they found out. he never should have invaded her mind like that, and he knows what it feels like to have someone in your mind too. yet he still did it. and i love regulus with all my heart, but we can’t pretend he didn’t do what he did in this fic.

he also became a death eater, which i know was forced by his mother or did it for sirius or whatever, but he was a wizard nazi. even if he didn’t believe in what they stood for, he still became one. people in the marauders fandom like to justify barty and evan(and don’t even get me started on how they treat bellatrix) and regulus for being wizard nazis because they were “going through a lot and evan and regulus were forced” but they still were. we can’t just forget that. and i love barty and evan too, but they were death eaters. and i know it’s fiction, but just because it’s fiction doesn’t mean we can ignore the bad things people do. and so in choices it doesn’t justify what he did or make him a good person, but it tells a story. regulus is human. he’s gone through hell and back, but instead of playing the hero he played the villain, or maybe the anti hero. people have to remember that.

i also love that choices ends with the line “from us so much will grow” because without them we wouldn’t have a harry potter. we could also talk about drarry and the whole slytherin x gryffindor pararrel, godric x salazar, monty x alphard, james x regulus, and finally harry x draco. we could talk about that, but i think the main intention of that line was that without james’s sacrifice harry and lily and also him would all be dead. we wouldn’t have a harry potter x draco malfoy ship. i just think that’s so beautiful.

we could also talk about the wolfstar, or the girls(because stan lily for not putting up with james’s cheating), or jily, or lucius malfoy(who is so evil and yet so interesting), or the badass that is cerci greengrass, or even how FUCKING sad it is, but this is getting to long, lol

#messermoon #jegulus #choices jegulus #choices by messermoon #this does have spoilers for the fic #discussion #anti hero taylor swift #yknow

[celestemagnoliathewriter]

Let's Talk Teddy Lupin and His VERY REAL Mother, Nymphadora Tonks

Recently I looked through the Teddy Lupin tags and something that jumped out at me was how many Wolfstar raises Teddy posts completely dismiss Tonks. Many of them dismiss that she existed - if she did, it was to provide a child for Remus and Sirius, and she is out of the picture. She is irrelevant and pushed out of the way for Wolfstar to get a kid. (Ditto with Jegulus, Harry, and Lily.)

I understand that there are some who are very anti-Remadora and refuse to acknowledge the role she played in making Teddy happen. But let me list the many, many ways this irks me, not just as a Remadora fan, but as a Tonks fan, and as a human who has spent quite a bit of time thinking (and writing) about reproductive donation.

Anyway. I know it's all fiction/fan fiction and a part of me wants to say let people have their fun, but hear me out, because that reproductive donation bit matters a lot to me.

You can't get Teddy Lupin without Tonks. Even his name is in reference to Tonks. Teddy was named after Edward "Ted" Tonks. Teddy Lupin is Tonks's child. He is also a Metamorphmagus. She is such an integral part of who he is that dismissing his mother's role in his creation and life is deeply unsettling. Insisting that Sirius is Teddy's other parent and pretending Tonks doesn't exist is such a disservice to Tonks as a character (who is a badass).

Let's get to reproductive donation, then. This is something I have studied for years. I am not a donor-conceived person (DCP) but I have researched DCP feelings/attitudes and I'll be the first to tell you that many (though not all) DCPs would be appalled to have their parents (social) dismiss and outright deny the existence of their genetic parents. Go check out We Are Donor Conceived if you don't believe me.

Even if you are a huge shipper of Wolfstar and hate Remadora, dismissing Tonks is troubling for me because of this, too. You can have your slash ships and still acknowledge a child's genetic origins. It's literally the same as real life - you can have LGBT families who acknowledge their children's genetic parents.

Though it might seem like a competition (and real life grownups have issues with this too!) there's no reason a child can't know and have a relationship with their genetic parents, especially if it's involving donor gametes. (I mean donor loosely here, as I'm assuming most Wolfstar/Teddy stans think Tonks donated, while real life "donations" are more like transactions - you can ask me about my opinions on this in my ask box OR check out We Are Donor Conceived.)

All of this is to say that if you ship Wolfstar raising Teddy Lupin, please, please acknowledge that Tonks exists. She is not evil. She is not an afterthought. She is his genetic mother and she is important.

(Admittedly, I have a bias because I love Remadora with every fiber of my being, but I have the same issue with Jegulus/Harry/Lily and I'm largely apathetic about Jily. These thoughts spring more out of my academic/professional studies involving reproductive donation and the industry that surrounds it.)

#remus lupin #teddy lupin #teddy nymphadora #remadora #nymphadora tonks #remus x nymphadora #remus x tonks #tonks x lupin #lupin x tonks #pro nymphadora tonks #pro remadora

[fanfic-lover-girl]

Doing a Marauders Prequel Series is a Waste of Time

Listen, if you look at JKR's writing for the 7 HP books they follow a similar pattern. 90% of the book is pure fluff where she makes you think Harry and his pals are doing something productive when they are not and then everything suddenly happens at the end through dumb luck, deus ex machina or other contrivances. (Ex. see Deathly Hallows, Chamber of Secrets, Philospher's Stone)

Here's a rough take on how the Marauder's prequel show would go:

15% Mauraders hijinks (becoming animagus, making the map, James crushing on Lily etc)

5% Voldemort war/Slytherins

5% maybe Sirius' family drama

75% Marauders bullying Snape

Like...what content is there to show? More boring magic classes? Slytherins once again being given no development (outside from maybe Andromeda dating a mudblood)? More annoying love drama?? All we will see is James' annoying crush on Lily and these boys being huge bullies. If you get one decent season of substantial episodes, that's plenty.

I bet Marauder stans just want to see a show where Severus is constantly shoved into a toilet or something and shown to be a loser incel.

#anti marauders #anti marauders prequel #severus snape #severus snape deserved better #anti jkr #harry potter critical #anti marauder stans #anti jily #anti james potter #harry potter series #marauder stans already have a crappy prequel and it's called atyd #if we have a prequel show we need more development for Slytherin house #and social and political exploration of how Voldemort rose to power #maybe explore the concept of Gryffindor favouritism #more shady Dumbledore #exploration of child soldiers too #but that would require deep writing and HP is allergic to deep writing

[padfootastic]

prongsfoot hate continued: nothing hurts remus and regulus stans more on here than remembering that canonically james and sirius were closer than their self-inserts favorite characters ever were

(this is from a while ago but i think it perfectly fits into our current environment lmao)

but i swearrrr anon. all the anti-pf hate comes from people who’re mad it’s breaking up wolfstar and/or jegulus (surprisingly not jily? never jily?? wonder why hmm) and they can’t conceive the idea of a. people having diff opinions and b. multishipping smh.

i also think a lot of it is bc like,,,you’ve to sort of accept that j/s is an unhealthily close dynamic regardless of romantic/platonic readings. and it’s okay when it’s the former, but w the platonic, there’s these like, ethical dilemmas if u put them in other relationships bc they’re each other’s no. 1 and not everything slots as well as canon jily seems to. so you end up undermining it and writing it out of character, because i firmly believe that any universe where j or s place someone lose above the other is an OOC writing. bc it’ll affect more than just their dynamic, it also changes their personality and everything. but now i’m just rambling lol i’ll shut up

#james potter #sirius black #truly think most of these people need to meet the idea of multishipping #get real well acquainted w it #u don’t have to subscribe to it #but understanding and acknowledging and accepting it exists is. i think a prerequisite. for being in fandom #pen’s asks

[ch-4-eri]

i feel like you are an amazing person irl! i feel like you have kind and a humble heart and you low-key (high-key) give off the cool aunt vibes so yeah there's that. also i love how your anti jegulus because first, james would NEVER do that to his brother (sirius) and i personally stan jily 💅.

anyways, love you, have a great day 💌

Thank you thank you 😭😭😭 and yes I’m anti jegulus forever and always!!!

#love you too #<333

[mppmaraudergirl]

Lol @ that 'stupid Sirius' post 😂 You know the "new" Marauder fandom doesn't give a F about us Jily shippers and what we say cause 'boo we're het shippers, so evil', but I'm still kinda hoping that at least WS shippers OR at the very least Sirius fans will soon wake up to save these characters from the destruction that this new fandom is bringing upon them. It's so sad too, I'm a Jily shipper yeah and they're my faves in fandom, but when reading the 7 books SIRIUS was my fave character and I hate to see him done like that.

Also it's pretty ironic to have seen so many notes on that post defending Sirius and James's grades and canon intelligence and so on, but they never do so for James and Lily's canon feelings for each other, feelings that were so strong they died for them and not even death could do them part. Because naah, who cares about a woman's canon importance, amirite 😂😂

Yeah, I don't know. I completely understand the frustration as someone who also loved Sirius the most when the books were coming out. But honestly, Sirius has been mischaracterized in fandom for as long as I've been here, even by book fans and WS shippers. There's really not much you can do when there's a contingent of people who haven't read the books and therefore ignore canon characterization (I mean...they stan BC Jr...so what do you expect lol). Thankfully there are still some great writers, fics, and fandom spaces that won't frustrate you by being anti-jily and pro whatever fanon nonsense is in vogue with the TT crew. As far as misogyny lol well, that's a tale as old as time. 🙃

#bringing some old tags back... #block assholes who post misogynistic shit #block assholes who misuse tags #just pull an oprah and block everyone who annoys you #😌

[hermiones-amortentia]

I joined the online hp fandom 7 years ago in 2015 and I am just wondering how much my opinions on characters and ships have changed since then.

I went from liking Dumbledore from hating him to liking him again. I blame the excessive fandom hate that made me change my opinion.

I went from being obsessed with Snape to hating on him to being neutral. I think he is an excellent character and I enjoy reading bout him. But I don't think he was a good person.

I went from being a hardcore luna stan to meh at best. She is wizarding eq anti vaxx and flat earther.

I went from being a passionate Hermione fan to borderline disliking her to be a huge fan again. Lmfao. This was such a wild ride. If I never joined the fandom I probably wouldn't have had Ron as my fav. It woulda been Hermione. Bcz she interests me as a character. I would read a whole fic from her POV while can't deal with Ron's pov.

I went from loving Sirius to be neutral about him and from being neutral about Remus to liking him. I believe Remus in canon is a MUCH more complex character than Sirius. I don't vibe with their fanon versions though.

I went from liking the twins to hating them. God they are awful in books. I can't believe no one talks about it. They are ALMOST as bad as Draco.

The only thing that didn't change is my hate for Draco. Thought he was a cowardly wimp with no talent the 1st time I read books. Still have the same opinion.

As for ships

I went from liking Wolfstar, Linny, Neville/Luna, Ron/Luna, Ron/Harry, Hermione/Ginny to not giving a single eff about any of those ships.

I have changed my opinion on Jily. Didn't like them back then. Now I do.

I went from actively hating all non canon Hermione ships to not acknowledging even their fanon existence.

Again the only thing that didn't change is my utter love for book! Romione. And it will never change..

#ron weasley #hermione granger #romione #harry potter #harry james potter #ginny weasley #luna lovegood #severus snape #albus dumbledore #jily

[simping-4-voldemort]

schadenfreude

schadenfreude - pleasure derived by someone from another person's misfortune.

it's how Lord Voldemort feels after all the anti-jegulus posts from jily stans.

You know who Lord Voldemort hates?

Jily. They made the boy who lived.

You know who Lord Voldemort also hates?

Jegulus.

You know who Lord Voldemort doesn't hate?

Lord Voldemort. and sometimes Bellatrix if she's been a good girl.

#lord voldemort #pro lord voldemort #voldemort #anti jily #anti jegulus #anti everyone #anti everything #bella is ok sometimes

[sofoulandfairaday]

For choose violence: 6, 23 & 24

[i've gotten so many of these -- thank you so much guys, this actually means the world to me that someone cares about my thoughts!]

from: choose violence ask game

6. which ship fans are the most annoying?

It really depends. Nowadays, probably wolfstar. Some of them are pretty fucking annoying. But it's far from what it used to be. I was here during the gold old ship war days, and I remember dramione and harmione (?) stans being the most annoying people on the face of the earth. 2012 dramione fandom anyone? the ron bashing?? 2016 jily stans with the anti-snape posts??? *shudders*

Not to say the Marauders fandom isn't toxic now but my policy is to: block block block whenever I see people who say atrocious things with 100% conviction.

Also, I just can't stand, as a general rule, people supporting wildly fanon ships over canon ones, and trying to unironically argue why they work better... There is literally nothing wrong with liking a crack!ship, I could argue that's the point of fanfiction, but don't insult my intelligence. Sometimes I see takes where the only possible solution would be for the author to read the source material again.

23. ship you've unwillingly come around to

Unwillingly is a strong word... I have read some good Tomarry fics in the last year (but. like. literally three (3). don't get excited) which is something that I would have rather gauged my own eyes out than do in the past. But then again only under very specific conditions for themes/setting/length/etc. It's not something I would ever look for, it's something I read if I know the author from other works and think “let's give it a try”... so, probably, I'm actually more in love with those authors' writing ability than the actual ship. You can tell if you actually like a ship in the following way: mediocre stories still make you swoon. You can tell if you like an author in the following way: I would rather get slapped in the face than read this ship but you make it interesting/enjoyable.

Jily is another, not because I disliked it in the way I dislike Tomarry but just 'cause it bores me a little. After exhausting any and all Snape character studies where he mopes about Lily (happy-ending Snily is not something I've ever liked) I thought meh, why not.

Oh! And you might be absolutely shocked to hear this but Belladolphus was one of these too. I was (and always will be) a Bellamort shipper, for my first few years in the fandom I was indifferent to Rodolphus at best. The man doesn't have a (1) single line in the books and we don't even really know what he looks like, but he's my angel and my baby and my darling and I accept no Rodolphus Lestrange slander in this house. Now, they're one of my favourites.

24. topic that brings up the most rancid discourse

In canon or out of canon? Because I feel that's different.

In canon probably Snape. The world isn't split into sexual assault apologists and Death Eater apologists, we all have some functioning brain cells and critical thinking skills, it's important we choose to stay in the fucking middle.

Out of canon... come on, you don't need me to tell you what it is. Personally, I think that pointing out the flaws in a book series is important and useful to the general public (and so many criticisms of the series are incredibly valid), but clutching your pearls because the kids decorate for Christmas in Grimmauld Place and *gasp* “I cannot believe JKR wrote her characters putting christmas decorations on the disembodied heads of slaves and thought "yes. this is good. very cute and charming."” (yes, this is a real comment someone made on the internet, i didn't write this. yes, it has hundreds of likes.)

Guys. It's not that deep. It's played as grotesque in the same way the Addams Family is. The Blacks are spooky ha-ha that's the joke. It's played for dark giggles, literally not that fucking deep. Although maybe I'm wrong and insensitive for this, but come on. Feel free to correct me.

Also, something that most people don't get about the Blacks: they weren't unkind to their house elves, or at least not in the way we think. Again, the Blacks are a bit like the Addams family in this scenario, they have a macabre way of doing stuff: their elves were all very devoted and thought it was an honour to be beheaded (which happened when they were too old or weak to carry the tea tray) and Kreacher even hopes that that will be his destiny when his time comes, like his mother before him. Dumbledore also says that "Mistress Cissy and Mistress Bella" were probably kind to Kreacher in their own way - Sirius was the one who was cruel to him, actually. They all saw elves as their natural slaves (which is bad), but they were part of the family just as much as servants were for an aristocratic family of the 1700s/1800s.

#answered #asks #choose violence ask game