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lunartrashbin · 1 year
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Main Team ft Leonidas and Mercury
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probably a lil late but i still wanted to post this since I’m not sure if I’ll have the heart to finish it
been playing since the p5 event (which is funny because i never played it but i always play games that have events w/ it) and summer Norwin has been my main since day 1 :,,)
also had a few team member swaps here and there but the most left 4 have been my main team for 2 years, honorable mentions of Mercury whenever i needed a water unit and Leonidas who I built last minute as in the 28th of this month just to beat Xenos (which i couldn’t)
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For Tolkien asks: 9 and 12?
I’ve already done 9 here, so I’ll do 12.
12) Tolkien's work contains a lot of interesting themes: devastation of war, things lost that cannot be restored, rebirth/renewal, holding true to one's companions even when it is darkest, and others. Which is the most important to you?
To me, it is, I think - and I’m sorry I can’t manage to put this in a different way, because I know virtually nothing about philosophy and it makes me feel I’m putting on airs - the Augustinian view of evil. The idea that evil is not a force or power in and of itself, but a corruption of or falling away from good. Fundamentally, a rejection of the idea that evil can be defeated through doing evil; a rejection of the idea of doing evil “for the greater good”. We defeat evil not by overpowering evil people, but by refusing to do evil; deprived of fuel, evil consumes itself. (Possibly expressed in the idea of Ungoliant literally consuming herself; I hadn’t thought of that before.)
This is clearest in The Lord of the Rings with Frodo and the Ring. Frodo is not a warrior; he is the one member of the Fellowship who never kills anyone. (And in that, a refutation of the idea that pacifism means “doing nothing.” It means doing things, to the point of sacrificing one’s life, that are not violence; condemnation of pacifism is an ugliness and a sickness in our society that claims, implicitly, that only violence can constitute meaningful action.) The “wolves, sheep, and sheepdogs” characterization of society infuriates and disgusts me, and Frodo stands as a symbol against it: he is none of the three. He saves the world through rejection of violence, through taking suffering on himself beyond the point of hope for renown, remembrance, or even success, and through mercy even when mercy seems foolish. Not by beating up the bad guys.
Now, Tolkien was not a pacifist, and there absolutely is war and combat in The Lord of the Rings as well. But in a less pivotal role than we might think. Even the last march of the armies against the Black Gate is not about fighting. They could have failed to slay a single orc or troll, and still achieved their end: distracting Sauron’s armies from the Ring-bearer.
The Silmarillion too, I think, expresses this principle, but in a different way: more in the characters’ breach of it than the observance. Materially, perhaps, the Noldor cannot overthrow Morgoth because his material resources and armies are more powerful, but in the larger view, they cannot defeat him because they are fighting a Manichaean war, devoted to the idea that taking up swords against evil will destroy evil. And, of course, the first things they do with those swords is to threaten each other and then to murder their friends. They are fighting for their own power and glory and realms, and so they fail, as they were warned in the Doom. Notably, when they do things that are not from this motive - like Fingon rescuing Maedhros, which is driven by compassion and mercy and forgiveness, and not done by force of arms - they can succeed. The rest is a holding action. (This is why I’m annoyed by AUs where Fëanor lives and the Fëanoreans and Fingolfinians team up and overthrow Morgoth early on. That’s not how it works. This is also why, even beyond the strategic and tactical considerations, I don’t think the Fifth Battle could have been won, absent a complete and utter change in orientation by the Noldor including, but not limited to, the renunciation of the Oath.)
Others who are not driven by power or glory or anger also succeed against evil. Lúthien and Beren enter Angband and retrieve a Silmaril without killing anyone; even Lúthien’s sleep-spell on Carcharoth expresses pity, not enmity. (Somehow I expect that if Beren had killed Curufin, things in Angband would not have gone that way. Evil infects.) Idril saves some of the people of Gondolin, because she is choosing to save the people, not the city.
The War of Wrath, one could say, is power versus power, and perhaps that is why it destroys Beleriand. But crucially, it is - must be - undertaken as an act of mercy and pity, for the remnants of elves and men, including the rebel Noldor, including the Fëanorean kinslayers. That’s what makes Eärendil central, as the person who can make that plea, even for the enemies who destroyed his home and people.
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faintingheroine · 2 years
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From what you've watched of it, other than the ruination of Nihal which Aşk ı Memnu character do you think the 2008 show did the worst to? Were there any who were handled relatively better than the others in the show?
I mean all characters changed.
Bihter became an overly angry, scheming, provocative character; a softer femme fatale. Book’s Bihter had her ambitions and of course she cheats, but I wouldn’t ever describe her as aggressive or as much interested in underhanded methods other than the affair (and except maybe the Mademoiselle leaving), she is a calmer and less cunning person than Nihal, which is what made her so unique. I also don’t find Beren Saat’s performance that good. But she is still a passable character. Like, the difference annoys me rather than enraging me.
I would say Behlül and Beşir are the ones worst affected by the changes after Nihal.
Behlül became a gorgeous heartthrob that all women threw themselves to… Which is not what the book Behlül was. Book Behlül was a reasonably good-looking rich hedonist that hit on ten women and got three of them. He was a hunter, and he admitted it, and he enjoyed it. He even had Barney Stinson-like strategies. The show made Behlül an orphan with a sensitive side. Book Behlül’s father was only in another city, and the book never tries to make us pity him, which I much prefer. Despite this, Book Behlül was actually more charismatic than the cowardly wretch of the show. He at least was convinced that he was in love with Nihal and that’s why he abandoned Bihter, not because he feared and pitied himself. Book Behlül is horrible, but still better than the show version.
Book Beşir is a teenaged enslaved eunuch. He is a character with much pathos. His love for Nihal is pure. Most importantly he does not give a flying fuck that Adnan Bey is being cheated on. He also lives in 1890s and him having tuberculosis when stressed is totally believable. He isn’t flawless, he engages in voyeurism and seems to dislike Behlül and Bihter, but he is still a tragic figure. This character is impossible to really translate to a modern setting. In the show his position in the house is very confusing. His eternal loyalty to Adnan Bey embarrassing. His sudden illness unreasonable. Because he is aged up his voyeurism is much creepier. His romantic obsession with Nihal much creepier. In short, a character that you had to be genuinely sad for and could even be considered heroic in a way and was definitely tragic, became a pathetic wretch that all viewers mocked.
I would say that Firdevs and Mademoiselle are very different from their book counterparts, but I would say that they are good characters on their own, so I think they are the ones who fared the best. Also helps that Nebahat Çehre and Zerrin Tekindor are good actresses. Show Firdevs especially, while a very different creature than the book Firdevs, is an iconic character in her own right.
None can even come close to what was done to Nihal though. In other cases they replaced copper with bronze. In Nihal’s case they replaced gold with trash. Tragic, absolutely tragic.
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minetteskvareninova · 2 years
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Favourite Sultanas and opinions about Kosem and Sehzade Mustafa? Pls answer :)
I actually made two rankings on the request of my beautiful @alexlarossas, one for the consorts (Untitled — How would you rank the (main) non-blood Sultanas? (tumblr.com) and one for the sultanas of blood (Untitled — How would you rank the blood Sultanas in MY and... (tumblr.com) If I had to pick my favourite from both lists, it would be Fatma, Süleyman's sister - mostly because I don't want to pick between Hürrem and Mahidevran, but also, she's just so underappreciated. Like, how dare y'all call this absolute legend "annoying" ffs.
Kösem is, in my mind, divided into three distinct characters, with wildly different personalities and degree of likeability. Kösem (or rather Anastasia), as played by Anastasia Tsilimpiou, is a plucky teenage girl that I can definitely get behind as a protagonist. She's not the bestest, smartest, kindest person around, but she doesn't have to be. She's this rather normal girl thrust into this impossible situation, where she wants to escape and come back to her family, but also has fallen for the sultan himself, who is actually also a normal teenage boy thrust into an impossible situation, and also also there's all this plotting going on around her that she often just stumbles upon... It's a lot, and you can't help but feel sorry for her. Anastasia!Kösem is my baby and I love her so much.
As for her development into Beren!Kösem... I can see how there was a modicum of a good idea in there, but it was a) extremely rushed and b) it was very badly written when they got there too. Like the authorial favoritism on display is unreal. Beren!Kösem is always the bestest, the smartest, and in the right, except when she's not, but the writers didn't realize it. I mean, the narrative sometimes is able to admit what she did is possibly, maybe not the best, but it's very much not enough for me, especially with all the character shilling and other quirks in the narrative that make her feel like a Mary Sue. Even her romance with Ahmet doesn't work for me - the writers are just trying too hard to make it seem like The Biggest Love Of All Time, so it's all the more jarring when they have relationship problems and Ahmet sleeps with other concubines. Like, I could maybe take the stupid conflict that they had around the time Mehmet was born, and also his infidelities, if they had a more interesting relationship dynamic, but as it is...
I like Nurgül!Kösem much more, because she's allowed to make mistakes, and on the other hand her awesomeness feels much more earned. Like, I find it much more believable that a woman in her late thirties who has been in the politics for twenty years and was the actual ruler of the empire while her son was a child is this legendary figure, than a teenage girl who survived a gunshot wound once. That said, I haven't seen all of season 2, so I am not sure if my opinion of her would get any better. I've heard that in the show, she hastened Murat's death, so I fully expect my opinion of her to only rise. Like, to kill this vile asshole, even though he's her beloved little boy - mad respect, I tell ya. Talk about taking one for the team.
Şehzade Mustafa is complicated. He's the writers' favourite too, and one on whom they project all of their worst ideas about greatness and masculinity on, but I just can't hate him for some reason? Like, he's not a bad person, and also, he's played by the one and only Mehmet Günsür, whom I adored since high school. In the end, all of my complicated feelings about him kinda average into a firm "meh".
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squirrelwrangler · 6 months
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Let's talk about Service to the Dead. And because I couldn't decide which part of chapter three I wanted hone in on, I'm going to bounce around the entire chapter for a slightly longer director's commentary. Don't feel like covering the entire chapter, but here's some odd thoughts:
Opening on the Beren fight scene was a nice strong opening, good job me. Also while I never outright said it, having ghost Aegnor and Gorlim watching the fight from the tree branches above was exactly supposed to make the reader think of vultures. Because that is the black comedy of this fic- Aegnor and Gorlim watching and waiting for Beren to die. But instead I use the metaphor of watching a puppet show. But Aegnor needs another option because I can't have Gorlim and Aegnor think of the same thing. So what's a Noldor equivalent? And Noldor are just every annoying obnoxious Victorian British scientist so the Greek philosopher street debate/bitter thesis defenses/street preacher but for grammar minutia.
Gorlim's inconstantly fading sensory issues as a constant thread, and for this chapter I was hammering home the loss of smell and how that would have helped to find the body at the end.
In the next scene I wrestled around with the hidden cabin and the geographic layout and how that led to Aegnor floating up phasing through the cliff/hillside. A lot of the ghost physics is cumbersome to write because I can't use modern technological turns of phrase. The cabin being dark and the two ghosts not turning on a light source because they can't. But also having the flies there was a direct mental link for myself to Aegnor's final speech at the end of the chapter when he talks about being a bug trapped in a bowl.
The evacuation from Dorthonion was something I thought about- and who stayed behind that wasn't just Barahir's designated group. Mount St. Helens was something that instantly came to mind because of my family who lives in Seattle and the year I lived up there too. But also that since almost my entire life I live or have lived in the hurricane zones of the coasts of North America and have lived through several hurricanes - I am very familiar with how natural disaster evacuations are piecemeal. So - Old Duras, the dead outlaw, the lost Easterling family. That each are distinct in their reasons and background. That Eilinel and Sícrum went missing in the scramble and that their physical disabilities were factors. I was keen to take the time to tangent off into that physically disabilities (that weren't just chopped off hands) existed and weren't limited to Noldor nobility and our one most exemplar mortal hero. The Easterling father and son are sent-up for Chapter 4 and the next Mad Noldor Ghost that repeats and escalates off of what happened in Chapter 2.
Beren running into and being saved by the mad trees is the Two Towers Ents and Hurons reference imagery it seems to be.
Radiation mutant hares and other wildlife was added for the creepy horror imagery and also because Morgoth's Ring does really imply Morgoth's evil taint on Arda Marred is element decay.
And Aegnor's impassioned long spiel at the end- the most fun to write, I loved that. And hammering home what delighted me in the Athrabeth - that Elven immortality is not actually immortality and that they see it reversed with the mortals. That they are zombies/trapped ghosts stuck in Arda and cannot escape to the afterlife like mortals do. That Gorlim's central character as the ghost that is stuck and cannot pass on and thus is tormented by this unnaturalness, loneliness, and partiality of experience is not unique to him; it is the condition of the elves as well and Aegnor feels this trapped nature most keenly because he wants more than anyone else to escape Arda to follow Andreth. That the world itself, Arda, is just a barrow and Aegnor is a barrowwight. He's haunting his grave and can't- nor emotionally won't- progress from it but is still wallowing in how inescapable his fate of elven 'immortality aka stuck inside Arda unlike mortality's gift' seems to be. That he's trying to be productive and proactive in this whole Maia of Mandos gig, but it doesn't actually address or solve his Andreth-shaped grief and regrets, he's just spinning that hamster wheel.
Which that quality of morass is why Gorlim's realization of the Andreth truth was delayed either though he has all the pieces to the mystery that was vexing him thanks to picking up on the tiny clues Aegnor kept dropping.
Also, there's the Numa Numa Song/Dragostea din tei reference again of which you'd only know if you knew what the Moldovan lyrics to that song were about. Which I picked as a funny reference easter egg for a pop love song. But also because 2004 when that song came out was the same year that I read HoME and learned about Aegnor/Andreth and fell into the OTP rabbithole. I was listening to it and other songs from that album at the same time I was reading A/A fics. Bet y'all never guessed there was a deeper personal meaning. And it turns out that those lyrics do match up- I'm an outlaw, I remember your eyes, you did not take me with you (initial reject was my fault), linden trees....
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crowleygal · 1 year
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Cas crit anon back, just anything that bugs you about Cas in general. I'm specifically looking for crit regarding his friendship with Dean, but doesn't have to just be Dean, it can be other charcters. Though it can just be Dean if you want. I already believe he babytrapped him twice and is too posessive and controlling with Dean's soul. Castiel is also extremely and toxically jeaous of Sam, and was abusive to him. And he wasn't great with Jack. But I think I'm missing stuff.
Sorry for taking so long. Been busy with work.
My feelings about Cas are complicated and changed a lot in the decade plus when he was on the show. I am primarily a Dean and Jensen fans so I do then to look at things from that POV.
When they first introduced Cas, I loved the character and I wanted more of him. I really enjoyed his scenes with Dean. It was nice that Cas was basically to Dean what Dean was to Sam. Someone who protected Dean and looked out for him and put him first. After multiple seasons of Dean revolving around Sam I was a nice change of pace. I enjoyed Cas as a character in his own right as well.
My feelings for Cas took a hit in s6. It seemed like TPTB tried to force a relationship between Cas and Sam. It always seemed to me that they tolerated each other for Dean's sake. I really disliked the whole, "its all Dean's fault trope" they used after Cas spent an entire year lying to Dean and doing things behind his back with Crowley and basically unleashed the leviathan and about Sam being back and then with Cas abadoning Dean in purgatory.
But there were still some good Dean and Cas scenes, like the one in A Little Slice of Kevin when Cas made sure Dean knew he tried. "You can't save anyone my friend, thought you try." I love the way Misha delievered this line. There was some good stuff in s9 and 10.
I guess my dislike like of Cas started after the introduction of Jack. Cas seemed like a totally different character. I didn't like the whole insta-family my 3 dads thing, it felt forced. Especially after we saw Jack brainwash Cas. Jack promised paradise but it seemed like he was useless every step of the way. I hated the whole fight thing in s15 because they swept Mary's death under the rug and acted like Dean was mad at Cas for denting the Impala and they took Dean's voice away. It got so bad, Jensen actually told Berens tone it down. Purgatory especially annoyed me. Dean survived there for a whole year and suddenly he can't last a day?
It was nice to hear Cas talk Dean the way I saw him during the confession scene but it kind of came out of left field since Dean didn't seem like Cas's priority since Jack brainwashed him. A good example here is when Jack said Dean didn't matter. Cas couldn't even come up with a token protest. I like to think Cas finally broke free of Jack's spell.
So I guess I went to from like, to indifference to dislike. By the end of it I didn't want any scenes between Cas and Dean.
Not sure if this is what you were looking for.
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absynthe--minded · 3 years
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If you don’t mind because I love to hear it, what editorial choices did Christopher Tolkien make that really frustrate you?
My top one would be Turin’s character assaination.
I do not mind being asked!! this is an incomplete list but I hope it gets the point across
Túrin’s character assassination is astonishing, you’re right, for me it’s specifically everything in Nargothrond as well as the minimizing of Saeros (and sometimes Daeron) harassing him for racist and xenophobic reasons. This is really well-known so I’m not going to spend a lot of time on it unless people want me to? it’s probably best encapsulated in another post lol.
WHERE ARE THE WOMEN, CHRISTOPHER, WHERE ARE THEY. Haleth’s all-woman bodyguards get cut out! Míriel being the inventor of sewing gets cut out! Indis and Nerdanel having a friendship gets cut out! Andreth gets cut out, with not even a mention of the Athrabeth! Morwen and Niënor lose all their character traits! Finduilas is a ghost of her former self! Idril’s character gets cut down to nothing!
Findis and Lalwen not existing. I’m actually going to give them their own bullet point because Lalwen goes to Beleriand with her brother Fingolfin. That’s an entire extra Finwëan princess to talk about!
cutting the Wanderings of Húrin from the Silmarillion was a Bad Choice because it robs Húrin of his status as like. almost a warning of divine punishment. With the Wanderings, and specifically his travels to Gondolin and Menegroth, you can make the argument that Doriath falling and Gondolin falling were in large part because they failed to look after innocents and refugees, and that’s a really neat angle
Gil-galad Son Of Fingon. Gil-galad’s parentage changed so many damn times. I am all for Gil-galad the adopted son of Findekáno and also kind of Maitimo? but Gil-galad the biological son of Fingon has caused so many fandom problems. Leaving his parentage ambiguous would have been the right choice, and Christopher himself agrees with me here.
Beren and Lúthien being directly involved with killing the dwarves who killed Thingol. Christopher also admits in HoME that having Guy Gavriel Kay help with ghostwriting that Silm chapter was a mistake, and that he probably could have succeeded in creating a coherent narrative from his father’s later work (specifically the draft where Celegorm and Curufin kill the dwarves, assuming they have the Silmaril, but Melian actually took it and went to Lúthien)
I’m still doing research on this so I can’t actually speak authoritatively on it yet but what inspired my original frustrated post was the fact that as far as I can tell, the bits in the Silm chapter “Of Maeglin” about Maeglin’s desire to marry Idril being seen as incestuous and twisted and disgusting? Entirely absent from the drafts. All I’ve found in HoME and TFOG so far indicates that J.R.R. Tolkien never wrote anything close to that - Maeglin wanted to marry her, sure, but in the Book of Lost Tales, their marriage is frowned upon because Turgon thought that his nephew was clout-chasing rather than genuinely in love with his daughter. And the other HoME volumes usually have some variation on “Maeglin wanted to marry her, and Turgon loved and trusted him, but she married Tuor instead”, if they mention him at all. All the stuff about how he loved without hope, and how she saw him as terrifyingly warped? I’m willing to say that there’s a very good chance he invented that. Maeglin’s characterization in JRRT’s writing is very different from how he is in the Silm.
Amrod surviving at Losgar. I feel like this is a pretty agreed-upon fandom thing? We all sort of just accept that he died. But it still annoys me that Chris decided not to follow that path.
Argon not existing at all. Argon’s death mirrors Amrod’s death - both Fëanor and Fingolfin have to lose a son before they can begin life in exile, and one dies in fire and the other dies in freezing cold. It also sets up an interesting relationship since Argon died defending his family and his people and Amrod died because of someone else’s selfish and misguided attempt to defend his family.
the removal of a lot of the more queercoded/queer-subtext moments. Túrin and Beleg kiss in front of the Gaurwaith in the Lay of the Children of Húrin, and in that version and the Book of Lost Tales version of the story, Túrin kisses Beleg after he dies. The green Elessar that Galadriel gives to Aragorn is mentioned to be a betrothal gift in Laws and Customs among the Eldar, and there’s one version of the story where that same green stone was given to Fingon by Maedhros.
downplaying the presence of Taliska in the narrative and stripping out a lot of Edainic cultural worldbuilding. Taliska, one of the Edainic languages (or an Edainic language with several distinct dialects) hasn’t had any publicly released information about grammar and construction. We never find out in the published Silm that the Atani - the mortal Men - call themselves the Seekers, the way the elves call themselves the Quendi. We don’t learn that nothlir is the Taliska word for “folk” or “people”, so nothlir Haletha means “folk of Haleth”. All the lengthy discussion of Edainic philosophy from the Athrabeth is gone, and Chris’s decimation of the Narn i Chin Húrin means we don’t know anything in the Silm chapter about life in Dor-lómin under Húrin and Morwen’s leadership.
I hope that answers your question? sorry, this turned out to be long.
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cakesandfail · 2 years
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Re: your tags on that Boromir post about how with Tolkien what matters is not whether you succeed but that you at least try to do the right thing:
Yes!! Exactly!! You get it!!
And please remind anyone who doubts that, that technically, Frodo did not succeed either. He tried! He really did! But in the end, if it had been up to him and him alone, he would not have been capable of destroying the Ring; rather the Ring was destroyed because of luck or chance of Gollum's actions working out exactly the right way for the good outcome (Gollum, whose life Frodo had also spared earlier because it was the right thing to do, because it would have been wrong to kill him).
Iirc (I might be wrong about this, I just have a vague recollection of seeing some letter of his where he discussed this subject) this tied to Tolkien's own religious views; God or fate or some such higher power intervened to aid Frodo at the end, to destroy the Ring, because Frodo had tried his honest best, because he had done everything he could and gone as far as he could go, trying to do the right thing, and while the best he could do still was not enough to succeed on his own (and neither would have been the best attempt of literally any other person. Anyone and everyone, every single character, would have failed at that point, if they wouldn't have failed earlier) a higher power intervened once Frodo's own strength failed. What mattered was that Frodo, a completely ordinary person, had in the face of a terrible, deadly danger said "I'll try to help, I'll do what I can", and then done exactly that. When he could go on no longer, a higher power intervened to cause success because he had gone as far as he could go himself.
And while that same grace is not necessarily allowed quite similarly to every other character in the story, you can still see that same idea there anyway, that them making an attempt, them doing their best, is what matters. Not that they succeed. But that even when things seem hopeless, when all seems lost, they still try to do the right thing because it's the right thing to do.
And in that sense, yeah. You're not wrong. In that sense, Pratchett is much more of a successor to Tolkien than a lot of other modern writers.
(Also, while Tolkien's work isn't anywhere near Pratchett-level of humor, I will fight everyone who claims that it's all grim and serious and 100% without humor. Even beyond obvious things like the hobbits' shenanigans and Legolas and Gimli's banter and competitions, Gandalf wasn't a grumpy old man for the plot, and Aragorn definitely didn't get sarcastic every time he was annoyed with someone or throw a tantrum at being asked to leave his sword at the door in Medulseld to make him look like a cool epic perfect hero. Even in Silmarillion, you gotta admit that the whole thing Beren pulls with "Hey king, you told me to return with a Silmaril in my hand, and I've done so, can I marry your daughter now? Oh, yeah, sorry, I can't give you the Silmaril because while it's currently in my hand, my hand is no longer attached to my body." thing is a little bit funny. Like sure it might take way more serious tone than Discworld on average, but there's still a lot of things that are pretty funny, including things that are very clearly intentionally so.)
Hey anon? I love this. I think a couple of quotes- the first from Tolkien, the second from Pratchett- are relevant here:
'“I wish it need not have happened in my time,” said Frodo. “So do I,” said Gandalf, “and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”'
"We are here and this is now, and you do the job that's in front of you."
The point is not to win. The point is to do the right thing.
Also, yeah, on the subject of humour: I did find that bit of the Silmarillion a little bit funny. Showing someone where your hand got chomped off in response to "where's the thing you said you'd get" is peak disability humour imo. It's a sad story, but I always think if you can find a little bit of lightness in there it makes the tragedy hit all the harder.
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sortasirius · 4 years
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what makes you think the writers want deancas? not trying to be an asshole, i'm just genuinely curious as to why you think that. i know berens' episodes are pretty heavy with subtext so i can see why you'd say that he wants it, but i'm not so sure about the rest of the writers/dabb. it seems like meghan isn't a huge fan either, given her "they twisted it so fast" tweet :/ of course she's a very new writer (think she's only writing one ep this season?) but still
OKAY this is a great question, welcome to my dissertation.
I’m going to address the end of your question first. Meghan is actually DeanCas positive, she has been for quite a long time. She actually, a few years back, posted a picture of her reading a literal book about Destiel and captioned it “writing reading” or something like that.
This whole thing just comes out of a boiling over of tensions because of how nasty fandom twitter can be. Like I said here, I think this has just gotten blown out of proportion, they shouldn’t have posted all this randomly disparaging stuff, but also like...can you blame them? The fandom is a lot, we always have been, and they’re probably also under a gag order not to talk about the finale, and are annoyed that people keep asking.
So nah, Meg is not anti Destiel.
To the first part!! So let’s take a look at the show runners since Cas has been around.
Seasons 4 and 5: Kripke
Seasons 6 and 7: Gamble
Seasons 8-11ish: Carver
Seasons 11ish-15: Dabb
So starting with Kripke. Okay, yes, I will be the first to admit that we have some pretty incredible Destiel moments in these seasons, but it’s less directly written into the plot and much more from Misha and Jensen’s uhhhh ~chemistry~. The only times it was directly written into the script was when the episode was handled by someone like Edlund (“On The Head Of A Pin,” “The End,” “My Bloody Valentine”). And you have to remember, if in season 5, there are moments here and there where you’re like huh that’s suspiciously romantic dialogue, remember that Cas took Anna’s place. Anna was supposed to be endgame for Dean, but due to a myriad of issues and Misha’s general greatness, Anna was replaced with Cas.
Onto 6 and 7. Hmmm. Gamble. 6 and 7 are my two least favorite seasons and that’s no secret, and that’s not only due to the plain old weird shit in the overall storyline, but also that homegirl killed off Cas in s7 and then Bobby like four episodes later. (Also it ALWAYS rubbed me the wrong way they couldn’t have Baby in that season lol). We still had some great DeanCas moments, but again, it wasn’t really written into the overall arc (until they had to change the end of season 7 because of tanking ratings and bring Misha back lol, anyone remember the fact that Dean kept Cas’ jacket and would randomly dream of him? Yeah.). But we still had those moments, those distinctly romantic moments, probably the best example in these two seasons is from Edlund again, specifically “The Man Who Would be King,” I wrote a little about that here.
We move onto Carver, who gave us, at this point, the most overt DeanCas season with season 8 (season gr8 is a better name imo), and this is the first time Dean and Cas’ relationship is directly written as an arc of the season.  I mean, you have everything in Purgatory, Dean “seeing” Cas everywhere, the fact that he felt so guilty that Cas stayed in Purgatory that he manipulated his own memories to think that he was the one that failed Cas, because he couldn’t comprehend that Cas would want to leave him, and let’s not forget Dean snapping Cas out of Naomi’s hold on him in “Goodbye Stranger.”  It was a very obvious shift, not enough to alert the general audience, but more than enough for most of us in fandom.
It’s also important to note that this is when Andrew stopped co writing with Loflin and started writing his own episodes (”Hunter Heroici” anyone?)  I like Loflin fine, but Dabb was able to stretch his legs a little bit more once he stopped co-writing, and we also began to see some DeanCas themes in his solo episodes.
In any case, them and their issues being a big part of the seasons continued with Carver, and Berens entered the scene, his first episode (”Heaven Can’t Wait”) is one of my favorites, with human Cas and the fanfiction gap and Dean and Cas just generally being awkward and funny and sweet.  This is Bobo’s FIRST episode, remember that.  He comes right out of the gate with it.
Also in Season 9, this is when Dean takes the Mark of Cain, and the Cas/Colette mirror is born, so obviously, Dean and Cas are the fabric of the season once again.  This is also the season where Metatron says Cas is “in love with humanity,” and then immediately refers to Dean as Humanity so uhhhh yeah.
Onto season 10, Dabb and Berens continue with their greatness (I could write pages on the DeanCas date in “The Things We Left Behind” alone).  And then we have one of the best scenes in the entire show in “The Prisoner” where the Cas/Colette mirror continues and Dean, driven by grief and pain and rage and the Mark, still doesn’t kill Cas.  He still can’t kill Cas.
Season 11 is important because it takes choice away from both Cas and Dean, and shows us, as the audience, how much losing each other takes out of them. We saw in season 10 how much losing Dean takes from Cas, but what about Cas losing Dean?  Dean loses his choice with his connection to Amara this season, and loses even more when Lucifer reveals he’s been possessing Cas, and plays on Dean’s connection to Cas like a mockery.  It’s also worth noting that, similarly to season 8, Dean breaks out of the connection with Amara when he’s worried about Cas, and that’s something that even SHE is surprised by.
But then season 12, the beginning to the Renaissance.  This is when we get the writer’s that become important for what Dean and Cas are today, and, truly, why I believe they want canon Destiel as much as we do.
This is the first season with Dabb’s writers: Davy Perez, Meredith Glynn, Steve Yockey, and of course Bobo all come in with their incredible talents and gave us episode after episode of good content.  “Lily Sunder Has Some Regrets” is probably my favorite, probably the best example of what I’m saying.  An episode where Dean is called out by an enemy directly, told to “roll the dice” on Cas’ life.  And Dean won’t, it’s not even really a hesitation.  And this comes from a character that has known Dean for ten seconds.  I also wrote more in depth about this episode here.  There are also some.....distinctly domestic details we get this season, specifically in “The Future” (written by Berens and Glynn) with the mixtape.  The most tropey of tropes mixtape.  Yeah, I’ll just leave that one here.
And then season 12 ends with Cas’ death, but also with the parallel between Sam and Dean with Jess and Cas.  Sam literally has to drag Dean away from Cas, just like Dean had to drag Sam out of his burning apartment in the pilot.  The episode drives it home in every way that it can: Dean is the one left kneeling by Cas’ body, while Sam goes to find out what is upstairs.  Dean is the one who stares at the sky, finally broken.  This isn’t a random thing, this is Dean’s whole arc, it’s the entirety of the beginning of 13.  Dean’s pain, his anguish, his anger.
Season 13 starts with them burning Cas, with Dean, who has begged God to bring him back, who has split his knuckles punching a door, standing, staring at Cas’ pyre with brokenness on his face.
I mean.....
Anyway, season 13 is where it gets interesting (well, I think all of this is interesting but I’m a writer nerd so).  So Cas comes back from the Empty in “Advanced Thanatology” written by Steve Yockey, and then a wombo combo of “Tombstone” by Davy Perez next (”Brokebacknatural” as the PR said at the time).  Listen.  This is the part that SPN crossed a line that they couldn’t come back from.  With Cas being Dean’s “big win,” the fact that Dean and Cas watch movies together, “I told you, he’s an angry sleeper.  Like a bear.” Talked about it here.
This is where, in my opinion, the network stepped in, but the damage was already done.  They had already established that Cas was Dean’s big win, that Dean’s poor coping was not due to Mary’s disappearance, but solely due to Cas, and that Dean and Cas have more married energy than anyone else.  The network had nixed blatant canon at this point, and they writing room had been pushing the boundaries of what the network would allow. 
After these episodes, we see a marked drop off of DeanCas heavy scenes.  They’re still there, still a part of the fabric of the season, but not as...obvious as it had been in early season 13.
And this continued through season 14, we’re back to scraps of Destiel scenes here and there, but to me it always felt like there was something bubbling under the surface, something distinctly unsaid in the themes of the season, even after the walk back of obvious “Dean and Cas are in love” scenes.
And then we get to season 15, which, y’all know I talk about all the time.  What’s important here is that Bobo and Glynn are both executive producers, calling more of the shots than ever before.  Additionally, it’s important to note that, though they only co write occasionally, Glynn and Berens refer to each other as “work husband” and “work wife.”  Each episode has just turned up the volume, and, not for the first time, but certainly the most obvious, Dean and Cas ARE the season.  Sure, they’re trying to beat God, they’re trying to finally find peace, defeat the final big bad, but really?  This season has been about Dean, and Dean’s relationship to Cas.
And not only do we have obvious and clear Destiel in nearly every episode, but we have episodes like “Last Call” which canonize bi!Dean (wrote about that here).
And, maybe most importantly so far, we have “The Rupture,” the breakup, and “The Trap,” Dean’s confession (both written by Berens).  And here’s the thing.  These episodes feel connected, but also feel like they’re missing something.  Beren’s last episode is 15x18, “The Truth.”  We’ve all spec’ed about what could happen in this episode, and I think *I* know what it’s leading to.  But for it to be leading to that, it means that the network has to have approved what we’ve all been waiting for years for.
Who got this change to happen?  Who got the network to change their minds?  It wasn’t us.  It was them.  I am fully convinced that Dabb and Berens quite literally put their careers on the line for Dean and Cas.  They believe in them, they’ve shown that from the beginning, but the only thing standing in the way was the network, never allowing them to take the final step. 
So, to answer your question: I think the writers want canon DeanCas because they’ve already shown us that they do.  Take a look at their episodes, at Dabb’s, at Beren’s, at Glynn’s, at Perez’s, at Yockey’s.  They’ve been telling us what’s going on with Dean and Cas for years.
Sure, I’m not in their heads, I guess I don’t know for *sure* that this has been their thought process, but if we put it all together, from the marked shift when Dabb fully took over in s12, to the change right after “Tombstone,” to the new shift, the blatantly romantic shift in season 15, what else is there?
I’ve said for a long time that we, the SPN fandom, are beyond lucky to have the writer’s that we do.  They’re all going to go on to have prolific careers and we were lucky to get them at the end of our little show.  I give them a lot of credit for what we have in the show today.
Just remember, they’ve been telling us in all of s15 who Chuck is.  He says he’s the writer, right?  But a writer who doesn’t have control of his characters?  A writer who wants to do the same ending over and over because it “works”?  That doesn’t sound like a writer, it sounds like a network exec.
They’ve been showing us what they want for years, and the way s15 is going?  I think they may have convinced the network to let us have it.
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Roadhouse Tweets. It’s okay if, in Chad’s opinion, they were not about Destiel. An Opinion Piece.
I think the roadhouse tweets were fun, but didn't necessarily have to do with Destiel, though I liked the fandom's  DeanCasWedding tweets, on Valentine's Day. 
People saying "Chad, you could've ignored this..." in response to fans asking/telling him to say it was a Destiel wedding would have been as equally upset, if he had ignored tweets. Then, people would be like "If you promote Destiel, unfollow me. Block me. If you promote Destiel, don't respond..." So they have something to share on their TL like "Guys, omigod, look at that they confirmed..." Similar to “Jensen! Don’t reply to my tweet if Destiel is real!” He doesn’t live on Twitter like I do, so it’s more likely than not he’s not going to respond, no matter what his opinion. It’s kind of pathetic seeing fans go that far, to get validation. And when actors do pay attention to fans and what they’re saying on social media, and share a tweet or a vid to voice their take on the show, it’s not necessarily bullying! It’s interacting with fans, it’s them expressing their views on the show, like we do ours. And “irked” is not an offensive word, for fuck’s sake! If that word literally made people cry.... 🤦‍♀️
It's a fic show. Fictional characters. The actors no longer film episodes, & the fact that any cast members are interacting with fans at all with the show wrapped and the set torn up and all that, is amazing. Sam's tweets rubbed me the wrong way, but I don't see Chad being a villain, in all of this. He did something fun, interacted with fans, now some entitled fans are seeing an opportunity to be told they're right or within the right, all the time. 
When an actor expresses an opinion that differs from yours, they aren't bullying you, necessarily. Even when people are wrong and you really are right, they aren’t bullying you by disagreeing with you or being ignorant of the facts. So, it’s not a reason to cry. I promote the Destiel supporters of the fandom, and loved that the wedding happened. I love all of the DeanCas fan art. But people needing the actors validating every little thing they think, is weird. 
A fan says "They can't take that away from us, it happened and that's..." Great! But seconds later "I'm crying. Why are they hurting us? I told the actors to tweet that their twitter is all about Destiel, & they said it isn't. This is so hurtful. They're bullying me..." 
What Destiel represents is beautiful, but there are too many Annie Wilkes, in the fandom. To wrap this up, calm down. Enjoy Destiel, but don't force others to think exactly like you do. If you're right all the time, you shouldn't feel the need to have celebrities validate your opinions 24/7.
I'm sorry if your parents raised you wrong and led you to believe that you are the good guy in everything you do (we are all bullies) and that they carried you around on a pillow your whole life, because now you think that all others you look up to or like, are supposed to agree with every little thing you say in order for them to be good or “worth your time,” and that's not how things work. 
“He’s doing it for likes...” And you’re not? Not a single one of you? Please. And after he loses thousands of followers, how many more will we still have, than you? 
I suggest ALL SPN fans read or watch Stephen King's 'Misery.' Same with ‘Stepford Wives,’ but mostly ‘Misery’ (if you haven’t already). Be well. 
P.S. - When an actor says they improvised a line or worked with the directors and writers, that does not mean they wrote the episode. Someone said “Misha wrote 15x18...” No he didn’t. Bobo Berens did. Story Editor credit goes to Jeremy Adams.
P.P.S. - And because it’s still annoying, to me...The IMDB rating for 15x20 is invalid, because a bunch of children got together and said “Leave multiple one star reviews under different account names! That’ll show ‘em..” I didn’t like the finale and it wasn’t my favorite episode (loved the opening scene and the dog, though), but honey...that’s cheating. That’s MAGA-behavior. You can’t point at the IMDB review and go “See?! I’m right!” 
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Hello! I had an idea for an imagine that I wanted to get your thoughts on, if that's fine by you. Which Characters from The Hobbit and Lotr do you think would most enjoy dating a Dark Academia-style Writer? So like she dresses in the Dark Academia fashion, reads Classical Literature and her own stories and essays to them while cuddling, excitedly Rants about History and Literature to them, and maybe they even find her journal full of sappy love poems and rambles about how much she loves them? Who do you think would be most down for a s/o like that, if you don't mind me asking. I'd love to get your thoughts on this, and your blog is so spectacular btw!
Oh ho ho, my friend, this is right up my alley. I am obsessed with Dark Academia.
For ‘The Hobbit’:
Bilbo Baggins.
He was literally the first person to pop into my head. He is a perfect mix of cottage core and light academia, and I feel like he would have a lot of love for dark academia as well. When you’d cuddle, you’d both be reading your respective books (or even better, reading the same book with one another, or even even better, reading aloud to one another), and when a particularly deep or meaningful quote or scene happens, you would both discuss it thoroughly. You would both go into rants about history and literature you find interesting, and understand one another perfectly, going into incredible depth about the topics. If he ever found love poems you wrote about him, he would read them with the fondest smile upon his face. Who knows, in a few days, you might even come across a few poems or songs he has written about you.
Bard.
Bard has a lot of respect for history, (I hold firm to the belief that he was one of the very few lake men who really cared about the towns past), and would probably even help teach you some history of Dale and Esgaroth. And if you teach him about our worlds history and mythology, he would be all ears and find it utterly fascinating. He would totally be down to just spending quiet days at the library with you, and would probably read every book you recommend to him (Imagine discussing ‘A Secret History’ with him… that would be quite an interesting conversation). And if he ever came across love rants/poems… this man would get all cute and tell you how much they mean to him. He’s just that kind of person.
Thorin.
This dwarf would be incredibly into Dark Academia. I can just imagine dressing him up in one of those gray waistcoats with the white, long-sleeved undershirt. If he should roll the sleeves up to the elbow… sigh. He could totally dress the part. And he would absolutely love seeing you dressed dark academia style. His color palate is very similar to what is typically dark academia. And get ready for hours of discussing both dwarrow and human history with him. Also, if I may go out on a limb here, there is this headcannon I have about dwarrow museums being carved into old mineshaft used of resources. Thorin would be immensely proud and excited to show you and teach you everything in the museums. Walking down the stone halls and him pointing out various carvings and texts on the walls, your dark academia mind couldn’t be happier. And cuddles with his arm around your shoulders, lying in bed after a long day, ending the night reading. He would occasionally look down at what your reading (possibly asking what’s going on in the plot, depending on if you get annoyed by interruptions or not) and smile to himself. If you read your own work to this dwarf, expect the best feedback possible. He is very thorough with his feedback, and knows how to properly give constructive criticism as well as highlighting the best parts of your work.
Lindir.
This sweet little elf would be beside himself. He loves the libraries in Rivendell, and you sharing and reading stories with him opens up worlds. He would also love the way you dress, and will often ask what has inspired your ‘look’ for the day. He gets excited when you come to him with a new topic to rant about, and will likely contribute some very insightful views on the matter. When you come to him with questions about Middle Earth’s history, he will gladly answer whatever you ask (and probably end up having a history rant of his own. ‘Hey Lindir, what are the Silmarils?’ ‘…how about you sit down, and we’ll chat about it for a few months.’). He would just be the sweetest if he found your love rambles, and would be blushing the entire time reading them. Expect a wonderful thank you and an entire sonnet of his own composed for you.
Ori.
Can’t forget this little scribe. He would be beside himself at finding a fellow reader and writer, and the two of you would have so many reading sessions where you discuss what exactly this word meant in this context, or just ranting sessions where you gush and/or vent about a certain scene or plot development. He would find your outfits absolutely exquisite and probably even help you piece some together. Cuddling with him while reading is honestly the best, because you’ll just be laying side-by-side, surrounded by pillows and blankets (possibly in front of a fireplace in the Great Erebor Library), and just be reading your different books together, content to just read without feeling the need to talk. If you ever read your work to him, he would be beside himself at the level of trust you place in him (being a writer, he knows how daunting sharing your work can be), and he would love whatever you write. Expect him to start sharing his work as well. For the love poems, You’ll probably find his poems/rambles first, tbh. He just loves expressing himself through writing, and expressing his love for you is his favorite thing. You both get all sappy and blushy when you read one another declarations of love.
For ‘Lord of the Rings’:
Frodo Baggins.
Much like his Uncle, Frodo has a healthy appreciation for history and literature. He’d just love pouring over different books with you, and discussing them. His favorite thing to do with you on rainy days is to curl up with a good book and read aloud. Maybe even a walk down the trails and paths with an umbrella as well (Lobelia in the hobbit movies and the end of return of the king has proven there to be umbrella’s in Middle Earth). Hobbits are known for their passion for History, particularly family History, so he’ll definitely go into some rants of his own about the history of the Shire, and will sit and listen to your rants as well.
Elrond.
Lord Elrond is like a living, breathing, history textbook. He would be the absolute best person to discuss historical events and mythology and such. His keenness for knowledge knows no limits. There will definitely be very, very, long conversations about literature and meanings behind what the author writes, and the morals and values of the texts. Honestly, there is just such a depth of understanding between you and Elrond that is incredibly hard to find in others.
Faramir.
This man. This is the man who literally fanboyed over Gandalf and became a pupil to him. He would absolutely be beside himself when he meets you, because another human who is obsessed with learning and history and literature and discussing it and having deep conversations about it??? He would fall hard. And he would always love the way you dress, whether you are wearing a cozy sweater-vest or a dramatic trench coat. The two of you would literally spend hours in Gondor’s libraries, pouring over shelves of scrolls and books, taking notes on them, and maybe with a few older ones, restoring them together. Your favorite thing to do before going to bed is lighting a few candles and reading together. He would especially be fascinated and amazed at anything you have written and willing to share with him. He honestly just loves you so much, and feels so understood when he’s around you. And finding love poems written about him fills him with an indescribable amount of joy.
Aragorn.
When not off doing important Ranger or Kingly duties, Aragorn would just love to spend time reading with you. The kind of quality time where neither person needs to say anything, because the simple presence of the person is enough. He’s very into History, and I can totally see him ranting to you about the story of Beren and Luthien (perhaps the rest of the Silmarillion if he has the time), and would love to hear about your stories and books from our world. He’s the kind of person who prefers to dress practical, but that doesn’t stop him from complimenting your outfits and thinking how great you look every time you walk into the room. He loves the aesthetic of it. And should he ever stumble across a poem about him, he will probably keep it to himself, but memorize every word and repeat it to himself while traveling.
So I may have gotten just a tad bit carried away with this, but it was so much fun doing! Thank you for this ask! I hope this is what you were looking for. Now, i’m going to make myself a cup of tea and go to bed.
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For the character ask: all the children of Finarfin
How I feel about this character:
Finrod: charming slutty blond twink with a heart of gold. maybe that’s too much fanon and not enough canon but you can tear that characterization from my cold dead hands tbh. like yes this is King “I Killed A Werewolf With Nothing But My Teeth And The Power Of Love” but he’s also Prince “I Rap Battled With Sauron And Lost” and Lord “I Befriended Men and Dwarves Before It Was Cool”
Angrod: of all his siblings i think he’s the most… Angry Boy. he has a temper, but he’s also married with a kid (I subscribe to the Orodreth Angrodion version of canon). i think he’s the ‘oh my god why can’t any of you be NORMAL’ brother. BOTH his mother name and his father name are derived from the word for ‘iron’ - he’s got an iron personality, very strong-willed and stubborn. i also hc that he’s the only arafinwean who has Earwen’s silver hair.
Aegnor: a hopeless romantic. the dreamiest arafinwion (and that’s including artanis!). very particular about his hair (which is a WILD canon detail that i love sjdfhdk) but also has terrible fashion. his head’s always in the clouds, he’s a daydreamer, but he’s also incredibly loyal and a really good friend. he almost always listens to his heart over his head - and the fact that he and andreth never marry is the One Time he listened to logic over emotion, and that haunts him forever.
Galadriel: almost as much of a genius as Feanor and almost as humble about it, which is to say, not at all. she’s proud and stubborn and full of herself, especially in her youth - she’s also gorgeous and smart and right a lot of the time, which doesn’t help her ego. by the time she’s become Lady of Lothlorien she’s been through a lot and is much more humble and wise, but i think that comes not just from her experiences but also from being married to Celeborn the Wise. i think he balances her out very well tbh. (my favorite Galadriel characterization EVER is from this fic by @nerdanelparmandil, check it out!!)
All the people I ship romantically with this character
Finrod: I ship Finrod with anything that moves tbh….. I see him as super super gay, he and Amarie were mutual beards which is why she didn’t follow him to Endore. i am a Known Slut for Finrod/Turgon in particular, they’re kind of endgame for me, but also @raisingcain-onceagain​ has converted me to Finrod/Edrahil!! And while the Nargothrond Disaster Trio are in no way shape or form HEALTHY, i really really enjoy Celegorm/Curufin/Finrod content, that dynamic is delicious. i can also get down on Maedhros/Fingon/Finrod, though not really in a serious way. PLUS Finrod/Beor is very good, as is Finrod/Barahir and Finrod/Beren(/Luthien if we’re feeling spicy), and you KNOW he got busy with some dwarves! I just think he’s very free with his feelings and desires, especially after coming to Beleriand, and he takes full advantage of his freedom and position of authority to get what he wants. (not necessarily in a weird power dynamics way, though he’s into that kind of kinky shit too probably, i mean more in ‘it’s my kingdom i get to make the rules and i say No Homophobia and No Slutshaming’) - and I’m super happy to multiship with Finrod, there are verses where he’s fucking everyone and verses where he’s pining over Turgon and verses where he never even thinks about anyone other than Edrahil and etc etc etc. there’s probably even verses where he and Sauron get up to some funky shit!
Angrod: I don’t have a lot of headcanons about him and Eldalote. She has a Sindarin name, so maybe she came with him to Middle-earth - or maybe not, and he just missed her so much that he wouldn’t shut up about her and so her name was Sindarized to Edhellos. Either way I think they had a very strong relationship that ended in tragedy one way or another. I’ve also seen some fun Angrod/Caranthir enemies-to-lovers stuff, which I can get into, but I think Caranthir is aro so it’s not really my main hc.
Aegnor: i mean how can you NOT ship him and Andreth??? that relationship is just….so tragic and heartbreaking and beautiful. I like the theory that Gil-galad was their child, and he was given to Orodreth to raise because Andreth couldn’t care for an elfling and Aegnor couldn’t publicly claim a son out of wedlock. But also verses where they are just tragically pining after one another are beautiful in their own way. My headcanon is that the thing keeping them apart was less about the war going on and more about Aegnor fearing to lose her - but then he actually dies before her, and Andreth has to live with that pain. (idk if that works out timeline wise but. yeah)
Galadriel: Meladriel is very good and I enjoy that - I’ve also seen some great Galadriel/Luthien and even a Galadriel/Feanor fic I enjoyed. BUT overall i really love that she chose to marry Celeborn, a wise “dark elf” even when she’s completely out of his league - he balances her very well, and I don’t buy depictions of her walking all over him. she cares about him and he’s really good for her!
My non-romantic OTP for this character
Finrod: I ship Finrod/Turgon but also WHAT a great friendship they have!! I love that they go adventuring together :) And Finrod, Maedhros, and Fingon are so fun to imagine growing up together! Plus there’s his relationship with his nephew Orodreth, who he clearly adores, and also the fact that he’s still buddies with the Feanorians even after the first kinslaying (at Alqualonde! his home! where his mom is from!) and he’s so excited to meet new people from the Sindar to the Edain to the Dwarves. Finrod’s just EVERYONE’S friend and i appreciate that!!
Angrod: ….what if he and Caranthir used to be really close, like they are similar ages and grew up together, but then Something Happened and they started hating each other later on. that would be Very fun. also, he and Aegnor were lords together over the same land and died together, which implies they were very close - close like Celegorm and Curufin!
Aegnor: Again, he and Angrod were Best Bros which is great. I also think he’s probably beloved by Andreth’s people, he’s just this huge elf man they all kind of adopted and he’s so honored that they love him so much!
Galadriel: Melian!! obviously!! she stayed in Doriath specifically to learn from her, which is super neat. and then Gandalf in the later ages, i love whatever they have going on in the movies especially. i also think she and Celebrimbor had a weird rival-friendship i the second age, they’re both geniuses but from opposite sides of the family feud…except the family feud has killed pretty much everyone BUT them, so they come together to mourn that.
My unpopular opinion about this character
(this turned into more of ‘what are their negative personality traits’ than ‘unpopular opinions’ but whatever…)
Finrod: i’m sure he did his best but….when he was king of nargothrond he was still gallivanting all over the place. orodreth was probably More In Charge from before he was officially king…
Angrod: he’s a grade-A asshole. just a dick. mean as shit and holds grudges forever. really annoying to be around.
Aegnor: a dumbass. always listens to his heart and gets in trouble for it, until the one time he listens to his head and regrets it forever.
Galadriel: would make an EXCELLENT villain. ‘all shall love me and despair’ ? come on yall. if it had been HER versus sauron instead of Finrod (and…considering she was probably friends with Luthien, it very well could have been) i think she may have won, and im just imagining Sauron working for her, and the second and third ages going very differently with her being a Queen who everyone loves until they look back and realize she’s been corrupted and turned evil.
One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon.
so i think canon did mostly a good job with them SO some of these are some AUs!!!
Finrod: …if he had managed to convince Celegorm and Curufin to help with the Silmaril quest–the war could have ended before the Nirnaeth, maybe. or at least gone very differently.
Angrod: im gonna physically fight tolkien over giving us practically NOTHING on the wives of various characters - tell me more about Eldalote you coward!!!!
Aegnor: JUST MARRY ANDRETH PLEASE. i’m a slut for interspecies relationships and the fact that this one is male elf/female human is SO good and frankly unprecedented in Tolkien’s works. PLEASE i need more!!!
Galadriel: FUCK that evil!Artanis AU would be REALLY cool and sexy, wouldn’t it?
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demigodsanswer · 4 years
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Clarisse & The Lord of the Rings
“War must be, while we defend our lives against a destroyer who would devour all; but I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend.” 
When she was 12, Chiron noticed that she was the only year-round Ares girl. He pulled her aside one day and offered her a room in the Big House for herself, figuring she could use some privacy and alone time from her brothers. 
The room had a small TV and DVD player in it, and she had the only key to the room. She could use it when ever she wanted, as long as it wasn’t during training or school work. 
That’s where she found The Lord of the Rings extended edition DVDs. She watched all of them in two days. 
She cried when Boromir died, but nothing prepared her for the raw emotion of this scene from The Two Towers . She thinks about this scene constantly, and it’s probably her favorite scene from any of the movies in the long term. The only scene that rivals it is the Battle for Osgiliath in The Return of the King. 
What really fucked her up though, was the Battle for Osgiliath/Pippin’s song from Return of the King. That scene made her realize, more than anything she’d encountered before, the ways in which war, while it can sometimes be comprised of glorious moments of good triumphing over evil, it could also be comprised of moments of leaders gluttonously and recklessly consuming those willing to fight for them. 
After she watched all the movies all the way through, she asked Chris to re-watch them with her. He agreed, because she was his best friend. She didn’t expect to cry at all, because she knew what would happen, but she cried twice, once at the Sam scene in The Two Towers, and "I can’t carry it for you, but I can carry you!”. Chris didn’t judge her. 
When Chris was really sick, she would sometimes sing “The Edge of Night” to him, and it would calm him down. 
Chiron had large text print copies of the books, which he gifted to her. 
She read them all in one summer. She rereads them every summer. They’re ear marked and annotated to death. 
While she always loved Faramir in the movies, when she read his line: “War must be, while we defend our lives against a destroyer who would devour all; but I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend.” She was so overwhelmed that she had to lie down. 
Tolkien’s ideology, philosophy, and stories have shaped her understanding of war, its purpose, and its consequences. 
Her favorite part of the main three books is the scouring of the Shire, because it is the part that helps her cope with the war the most. Camp had always been her home - her idyllic home where she could be herself, study at her own pace, and train as much as she wanted. But after the war, it had been changed. Thalia’s tree had been poisoned, people had died there, and it was no longer the same place it had been in her childhood. But she had also been changed by the war. Like Frodo, she felt like there wasn’t a way to remain in the place after a while - she couldn’t go home again. Unfortunately for her, there are no undying lands for her to sail to.
Her favorite book is The Silmarillion. When people (read: annoying Athena boys) question this, she just looks them dead in the eye and asks “Oh, I’m sorry, are mythological wars not in my DNA?”
She went to Tolkien’s grave once on vacation and read the tale of Beren and Luthien out loud and left flowers. 
Do not talk to her about The Hobbit movies or she will put forks in you. She was nearly kicked out of An Unexpected Journey when Thorin charged at the Orcs at the end because she yelled “THAT’S THE RINGrWRAITHS’ THEME!” and then spent a few minutes explaining to Chris that “thing mean things” and that “the ringwraith theme is a poem written by Philippa Boyens about the wraiths and then translated into the ancient language of man. It’s not just some random, intense battle music!” 
She slept through most of Desolation of Smaug. She was so out cold that Chris actually left the theater to walk around the mall for a while. He came back before the end, just in time for her to wake up. “How long have I been asleep?” “Since dwarf barrel boing boing. I brought you a soft pretzel, thought.”
She straight up left the theater during Battle of Five Armies when she heard Thranduil say: “Go north, find the Dunedain. There’s a young ranger among them; you should meet him. His father, Arathorn, was a good man; his son might grow to be a great one. He’s known in the wild as Strider, but his true name you must discover for yourself.” 
“Go north? Look at any map of Middle Earth and you’ll see that Erebor is the northern-most kingdom on the map. The only thing north of Erabor is desolate dragon territory. And go north to find the Dunedain? Dunedain literally translates to ‘men of the west!’ Why would you go north into dragon territory to find the men of the west?! And ‘there’s a young ranger among them known as Strider?’ The Hobbit takes place 77 years before the Fellowship of the Ring is formed, which means that Aragorn is TEN! When Aragorn was ten he wasn’t a ranger! He was living at Rivendell! His name was Estel! They didn’t even need Vigo to sign on to the project if they wanted an Aragorn cameo, they only needed some kid with black hair! And he wasn’t known in the wild as Strider! He was known in Bree as Strider, and he didn’t even like the name! This isn’t even deep lore! This is just stuff in the main books and appendices and the maps printed on every inside cover!” 
She has three (and a half) Lord of the Rings tattoos. 
The first one she gets is a pretty common design: it’s the white tree of Gondor with the shards of Narsil, but she gets the text “Renewed shall be blade that was broken, The crownless again shall be king” around the design. She has this on the inside of her right forearm. She likes this line because in the movies Arwen says them as if they are ancient prophecy, but in the books, Bilbo writes them in a song. It’s a little inside joke with herself. 
Some people have asked why she didn’t get the text from the ring itself, and her response is always “It’s an accursed language. Why would I want an accused language on my body?” “it’s a made up language.” “All languages are made up.”
The second one she gets on a bet. She gets a goofy illustration of Gollum from before JRRT republished The Hobbit to be more canon compliant with The Lord of the Rings. She has this one on the inside of her left arm. As goofy as it is, she does love Gollum as a character. 
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She then has the door to Moria on her ankle. 
The half is her drakon tattoo. She has a tattoo designed partially after the drakon and partially after Tolkein’s illustrations of Smaug. The drakon is weaving itself through a hand, so it is proportionally very small. This tattoo is on the right side of her ribcage and was the first tattoo she got (Ares paid for it as a gift). 
When she was pregnant for the first time, she played The Lord of the Rings soundtrack and watched the movies a ton deliberately to train her baby to respond to the sounds. Her first kid ended up (by no accident) being calmed by The Lord of the Rings. 
However, her favorite book is The Hobbit, and she proudly proclaimed at three years old that she was going to be a burglar when she grew up.  Chris was very smug. 
(anyway, come talk to me about the lord of the rings @nohomo-mrfrodo​) (did I write this whole thing to go on that rant about that line from battle of the five armies. yes, yes i did) 
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taflan · 3 years
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top 3 annoying characters on menajerimi ara? for me its beren,paparazzi lady (forgot her name and baris (i just think his behaviour is annoying sometimes)
i did top 4 since i couldnt really decide between gülin and ece
Beren ( i dont like how she manipulates ppl; its weird because she is srsly a mean woman, the only time i felt bad for her was while she was dating Barış...other than that her actions were just wrong and she still continues to make dicles life a living hell lmao, i roll my eyes whenever she speaks; she always just wants to be the victim its kinda weird)
Barış (ok i love him but he needs to collect himself, he is way too aggressive and violent// especially when drunk// i didn’t like it when he yelled at feris.. that was uncalled for. in the first episodes he srsly annoyed me because he just randomly started dating beren without even liking her...he just pitied her! and while he was with her he actually fell harder for dicle, which was unfair to beren! i didnt like how he became possessive of dicle when he saw that someone else could be a potential love interest ,,,son that aint it.)
Gülin ( she  bothered dicle since the beginning, she is better now but i still find her a little annoying. it was also wrong how she and emrah scared off the applicants, i think that was kind of a messed up thing to do. she ranks higher than emrah because it was her idea)
Ece ( tbh i am starting to like her?, she was very annoying at first, i think what makes her “dangerous” is that she switches sides often, like one moment she helps u and the other she betrays u lmao, but i actually think she is really good at her job and she connects the dots really well! but she still ranks high because she is unpredictable)
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I think Tumblr ate my last ask, but which characters in the Tolkien legendarium do you either like/love or dislike/hate and why? And is there anything that you either like or dislike about any of the characters. I think it’s something that you haven’t touched on, and would be really interesting to discuss.
It might have, but honestly girl my asks are so messed up right now that it could be literally anywhere. They seem to randomly switch order sometimes?? Like they all play musical chairs everytime I use my spotify app. 
You’re right, I don’t think I’ve ever really discussed any of that beyond my love for the Silvan elves and the dislike for other elves unless it's framed from their perspective and not really my own opinions. I’ve thought about posting some stuff before, but then usually decide to ‘stay in my own lane’ or forest, as the case me be. But here we go!  
Characters I love that I don’t really ever mention (there are honestly a lot so i will try to stick to my top 3 or 4): 
Maedhors. 
I just have such a deep sympathy for him because (other than the kinslayings) he consistently tries to fix things, make things better, make things work. Like he wasn’t back from his 50 odd years of imprisonment and tortue before he rolled up to Thingols door to discuss how they were going to break up the Beleriend to accommodate all of the Noldor??? He gave his fathers crown away to his cousin to better unite the people?? I understand the repercussions and implications that come with Kinslaying, but even those actions I see as actions to try and help. Help his brothers, because if they don’t get the jewels back then they all get sent to the void. None of them come back from the halls. He is the oldest out of the seven brothers and just must feel such a crushing weight on him to do better and be better….. And it just …. Never really works out for him. In fact, most times it backfires horrible. 
Maglor: 
Pretty similar reasons to his brother tbh but also additionally I have such a soft spot for him with little Erond and Elros. The decisions the sons of Feanor made when the took the oath was rash and admittedly a bit… extreme.. But some of them really do seem to make attempts of righting their wrongs outside of their business with the oath. And honestly, I have huge respect for anybody who can know that people's opinions of them will never change but still try their best anyways.  
Eomer: 
I LOVE THIS MAN SO MUCH OKAY omg. He’s just. He’s just SO extra, but also so soft and caring and the relationship between him and Eowyn melts my heart. That scene when he finds her in the Return of the King will always put me into cardiac arrest for at least one entire minute. He is SO loyal to his uncle and his country, and he is a really brave and honest man. Plus, that moment in the books when both he and Araogrn casually lean on their swords LITERALLY in the middle of a battle (I wanna say helms deep??) and have a pleasant little chit chat amongst each other. Like how can you NOT love this man??? Impossible.  
While on the topic of underappreciated siblings, can we talk about FARAMIR 
Faramir: 
Ugh my beautiful little idiot. Homeboy speaks Sindarin but yet could not translate Cirith Ungol (which is Sindarian) to warn Sam and Frodo what might be in the tunnels Gollum wants to take them through. When Cirith Ungol literally means “Path of the Spider.” LIKE??? Eowyn confesses her love for him, and THIS MANS just fucking nods along, sitll holding her hand and goes: “Yeah, honestlly, who wouldnt be in love with Aragorn?” A masterpiece. Anyways, he’s also just like an all around good person who just has some pretty aggressive daddy issues. But his rangers LOVE him, and its obvious his people do too. I just wish he could have had more sympathy over the loss of his brother (aka best frined) 
50/50 person
Denethor: 
Alright, I will be the first to admit that the movie Denethor deserves what he got, I hate that bitch. But I will also admit that this man was done wrong in the films, and was aggressively villainized him far past what he actually was. Was he the best person in the world? No. The best father? No. But did he do his best with what he could when suddenly an enemy long thought dead as FUUUCCKKK suddenly appears right behind you? Yes. He absolutely did. I don really think that he gets enough credit for keeping Gondor running and functioning as it slipped further and fathern into darkness. They ended up living in a similar situation as Thranduil did, maybe for not as long but still. So like, if it weren’t for the movie I don’t really think I would have a strong opinion about him in any manner, so there you go. 
People I hate, and why: 
Eol: He’s just …. Creepy as fuck. He’s weird and possessive and controlling and BLAH. Who decided to kill their own son just because they themselves are insisting to do something that is forbidden? Eol. What did he do instead? Kill his wife. Good fucking job. 
Maeglin: Eol’s son. Also cringy and creepy. His uncle took him in even after his father murdered his mother right in front of them both, treated him like a son and did everything he could for him. But that wasn’t enough for Maeglin, and he couldn't take “uhm, not thank you. You are my cousin and being around you makes me uncomfortable” as an answer, and so betrays his city and gets everybody killed instead. Cool. Sick move. 
Okay, so I don’t hate the character but the story overall annoys me. Beren & Luthien: 
Like, I get it. Its dramatic and romantic and heroic and all of that. I’m not arguing. I also think that Luthien is basically the coolest woman to ever exist in any world at any point. But how their love story is presented overall? Eh. There are cool scenes and stuff that happens BECAUSE OF the love story, like Finrod biting a werewolf to death, Luthien talking to Carcharoth like he’s a grumpy little puppy, her defeating Morgoth and also somehow convincing Mandos to let Beren out??? All scenes are sick as fuck. But I just, still don't really understand where such deep and dramatic emotions of love for one another come from to DO all of those things. Ya know??? Idk. It’s still cute and sweet don’t get me wrong, its just really really annoys me that its framed as this “end all be all” idea of what perfect love looks like. I think what I am trying to say is that the story of Beren and Luthien seems to be blown out of proportion to me, and the bigger it grows the more it irks me. 
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craftmanatee · 3 years
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Dread X Collection 3 Games Review
Once again, my friend and I have played through a new Dread X collection and I would like to make a short concise review for each game including the Hub area. We each played 1 game resulting in 6 each. The order of games reviewed is not the recommended order to play as we went on a very simple roundabout on the graveyard, and the games have a strong sense of quality unlike Dread X Collection 2 which had many great quality games and many low quality games.
Lets go!
Game X: The Castle (A bit unremarkable)
Scare Type: Cute
Player: My friend
The castle in some way is a step back from the awesomeness of the house. As it proceeds with forced dialogue cutscenes with your character and a ghost character that possesses in you. The puzzles and areas are also larger and more spread out and easier than the house. The Dialogue cutscene itself even give the idea to not compare the two, which is understandable. But let me tell YOU that I enjoyed the house more than I did the Castle (Even if it was not I who was doing the Castle Bit), so even if they are different, one was in my opinion better than the other.
The forced Dialogue cutscenes weren't to bad. The Voice Acting was not bad. Its rather the script and subjecting the player to sit through it. Its not the most fun to sit through and could have been handled better. In the house, a dialogue still happened but you were still free to move around while listening to the pre-recorded message. The ghost possessing you could have done the same with you, but instead this YOU is a character that must go into a dialogue and stop your gameplay.
The STYLE of the castle is where I think it wins the best. The very cute spooky aesthetic is great, and hold a lot of details we noticed near the end of the game. Like the paintings being famous paintings, replacing the characters of the paintings to goofy ghosts. Time passing between each game is also a great detail, making the castle ever so slightly different all the way to night time. I love the castle for this.
We quickly figured out that the theme for this Dread X collection was not just Cute and spooky, but also the inevitability of death.
Nate Berens – SATO WONDERLAND (Ok)
Scare Type: Surprising!
Player: My Buddy
This game was alright, nothing too amazing as pulling different topics to make a new dialogue box appear was tedious and a bit annoying. But the story itself was pretty cool, resulting in a surprise ending. Each game have different endings which we did not try to explore, but for this I think we managed to get the best ending. Not much to say about this one.
Blood Machine – Soul Waste (Eh...)
Scare Type: ...None?
Player: Me
Soul Waste is a 3D action platformer about this... post apocalyptical world, and you happen to be the “Saviour”. We got Ending C for this as we felt the tedium of the collectables and we weren't going to sit around collecting them all in this weird to navigate map. The enemies did not make much of a challenge making the game bit boring. The end boss was the only thing that gave me some ounce of real fun. There was a lot to explore, but my patience wore thin due to not being that interesting of a platformer. Although it did look good for what it did. There is some to explore which we did not, but I simply noticed that there was some things here and there that we did miss. We just did not feel the need to go back.
Bryce Bucher – Disparity of the Dead (Great!)
Scare Type: Horror that sticks around even after the game.
Player: My pal
This game I think pulls off the themes of Dread X Collection 3 very, very well! Perhaps the best thematic one? Nevertheless, this is a 3D platformer that lets you talk to fun characters collecting collectables and piece together a mystery. The topics that which the game introduces to you are all very good and sad in many ways. It also had a lingering effect on me personally. This lingering horror reminded me of SOMA by Frictional Games. Anyways, the game in general is not horrifying until you get to a certain point. Then when the actual ending plays, it all gets sad. We do not know if there are different endings, but the ending we did get was a sad one in my opinion and was great.
Amon Twentysix – Bete Grise (Cool!)
Scare Type: Uneasy, then relief!
Player: Me
I really liked the aesthetics of this game, reminded me a lot of some obscure old-school games. The gameplay is mostly of you going floor to floor doing cleaning and... repairing? Anyways, there are a few hints here and there that foreshadow the great revelation at the end. I saw some of them and felt very uneasy when going through the process as it all felt like a facade. But once the revelation hit, the game turned into something more funny, stylish and well, just felt good. Its rare for a horror game to kinda blue ball you into satisfaction.
DIRIGO GAMES – REACTOR (Disappointing)
Scare Type: Betrayal
Player: My Homie
This is a game I spoiled myself with, which is why I had my friend play it instead. The game is mostly a walking simulator in which it feels like you shouldnt be there in the bad/useless way as there is a robot buddy who keeps you company and doing everything for you. When the time comes, you are then obviously, chased to the ending of the game. Its not scary, sad. Its just a simple experience. The aesthetics of the game is great, by being a gradient of blacks and whites as well as minimal uses of colour. Other than that, this is disappointing.
Moya Horror/Amos – Nice Screams at Funfair (humorously frustrating)
Scare Type: Dont fail
Player: Me
This is a very short game that was short enough for us to also explore a different ending. There is no real inherent horror here. Its mostly thematic to being like Halloween. The game has you serving icecream to people, the challenge is to serve them the ice cream that they want, and take the money into your tip jar or cash register. The real challenge is the controls, as throwing ice cream into the ice cream cones often fails for no reason, and clicking on to activate anything just sometimes did not work. Resulting in funny scenarious. We got 2 different endings for this, one that made sense, and another that we didnt understand. The game looked great, the intro did not have to be as long as it did but it was a fun little ride.
Basalt Tower – Matter OVER Mind (Woah!)
Scare Type: Loosing progress...
Player: My Amigo
Matter over mind absolutely felt like an old-school platformer, it was also unique, colourful and funny/cute! Crawling around as a little parasitical monster and possessing scientists in order to escape the labs just looked great. Like many of these games, it had a collectible that meant... NOTHING. And if you died collecting them, you will loose them all. Prompting you to reset the entire game. Nevertheless, it was an impressive game that felt great.
Corpsepile – Submission (Fuck yeah!)
Scare Type: Scary, but also funny
Player: Me
This game had so many unique and cool twists and ideas. Maybe one of the best games in this collection. It was absolutely creative, funny... everything! It was also scary at times, referencing P.T. Its puzzles were great and fun, so much good about this one! The gameplay switches often, the horror amps up... Man... Submission was super good! Cant really say much other than that.
Torple Dook – Chip’s Tips (Funny!)
Scare Type: Friendly?
Player: My guy
Super creative point and click adventure game, hamming it up to 101%. It is also so patronizingly friendly that it becomes funny. Probably the most unique game on this list. And you can pet the dog in this game. I absolutely love the aesthetics of the unhinged masked textures, as well characters being flat cutouts. What is sad is this game feels like the end to Torple Dook’s streak of being in Dread X Collection games as it references his previous 2 games as well as more.
Breogan Hackett – Bubbo: Adventure on Geralds Island (Woah! x2)
Scare Type: JUMP
Player: Me
A very well done 3D platformer, with some challenge. The game is not scary, although it does come to a point. The platforming was very good albeit a tiny bit weird when turning in a specific way. It also features hidden collectibles that we unfortunately did not find all and left it at that. It sounded and felt good, looked good and was fun to get to the end with. There are different endings, we (me) only got to see 1. I jumped at the right time and made my way out!
Modus Interactive – EDEN: Garden of the Faultless (Chaos?)
Scare type: None, just weird.
Player: My hombre
This is literally a game akin to raising your Chaos in Sonic Adventure games. Just that you raise your little Evangelion. This game I think, has the best Ps1 look than the other games. It has a very weird control scheme, as well as being weird in its own right. And it nails the aesthetics very well. Too bad the game is finicky or boring, sporting long paths and lots of waiting. I guess you could have some fun minmaxing your wittle angel. I guess you always need at least one super unorthodox entry in a collection.
Adam Pype & Viktor Kraus – SPOOKWARE @ The Video Store (Quintessential)
Scare Type: brief moments of panic
Player: Both of us
This game... is actually really fun. Spookware is literally Wario ware but with horror movie themed events. The style, game and everything is perfect. Although very short, I would honestly buy a game like this if it was fully complete. I also think this is the most fitting game for the theme of the collection. Although, not much is done about the “inevitability of death” theme here, but everything else about it carries the collection thematicly. Such a fun and quirky little game.
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Conclusions
And so, the best games in the collection In my opinion were...
#1 Submission AND Spookware
#2 Chips Tips
#3 Disparity of the Dead
The collection was not at all as scary as the first or the second collection. Although, that is understandable as it had a more Fun and goofy vibe to it. I love seeing these collections and it introduces me to people ive never heard of before. Like Viktor Kraus who made the music, like in the trailer for the collection. Thats a great one. I wish to keep seing them make these and I hope that it is profitable for them in the end as well.
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